Draft Profile: H-back Chris Coyle

Fox Sports profiles Arizona State tight end Chris Coyle.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

Coyle has been good receiving tight end for Arizona State but lacks elite size (6’3″ 243 lbs) and speed (4.88 unofficial 40 yard dash) and might need to transition to the H-back role to play in the NFL.  Coyle might be a sixth or seventh round prospect.



47 comments
Brendan
Brendan

ODB and Gilbert at the facility right now. Either one would be a nice addition to the roster. 

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

One of the QBs is going to drop to 18.  I wouldn't be surprised to see Johnny there.  Then we'll find out what the staff really thinks of Geno.

blackwood1
blackwood1

Thought I would give this a shot since we are about two weeks away from the draft, before I go in to it let me state that I believe & hope the Jets will use the surplus of picks to move up at some point. My scenario for that is a move to the top of the 3rd with the Redskins. sending them pick 104 this yr & a 3rd next yr for pick 66, That being said I will give option A & option B for each pick subject to availability with A being the preferred pick.


18) Zack Martin/Cook

49) Davante Adams/David Yankey

66) Deone Bucannon/A.S. Jenkins

80) S.J. Baptiste/Pierre Desir

115) Yawin Smallwood/Chris Smith

137) Ja'Wuan James/BPA


Well have at it guys should you want to give feedback or your own prospective, after all this is what we will be doing for the next 2 weeks anyway lol.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan  

Good the more they pay Sherman, the less they'll have to go around!

rrjm
rrjm

@Brendan  


You think there's any chance we trade up to around 10 to get Mike Evans? I like the idea better than staying put at 18 and getting Cooks or ODB even though I like them both. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan  

I would be happy with Beckham, Ford or Manziel if he dropped.


OK, Kill me now!

rkymtnjet
rkymtnjet

@Ceifus Hornswoggle  I think I'd be ok taking Johnny at 18 if hes there. Idzik seemed to enjoy bringing in QBs for competition, especially in Seattle. 

a57se
a57se

@Ceifus Hornswoggle  

But if the staff think Johnny is a bum we really wouldn't find out what they really think of Geno because we wouldn't take Johnny anyway.

a57se
a57se

@blackwood1  

Your trade would result in Idzik getting fired. That would be a terrible deal for the Jets.

James will be long gone by 137.

The rest of the picks make sense but I wouldn't go that route.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Well, that could reset the CB market a bit, but it'll be interesting to see how Revis reacts if Sherman jumps over his deal's APY. 

Brendan
Brendan

@rrjm It all depends on the package. If they can hold onto their 2nd rounder and use later picks? Do it without hesitating. 

a57se
a57se

@rrjm @Brendan 

I think trading up that far is way too costly for pretty much anyone in this draft.

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@a57se @Ceifus Hornswoggle 

But what if not taking him at 18 is simply smoke screen because they think they can trade up from the second round and get him later in the first?  Would that mean they like him more or less?  It's complicated but you seem like some sort of cyborg who can explain it.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Idzik would get fired over that trade? How? 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent  I could see them renegotiating every year so that he gets $12m in year one and another dummy year tacked on to keep the APY at $16m.


Why this matters I have no idea.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Ah, gotcha. I'm operating under the assumption that the Dark Hoodie already has no intention of keeping Revis around on his current deal. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent  OK, but I was talking about Sherman getting $13m and suddenly Revis' $16m looks even more ridiculous and therefore the chances of renegotiation from there take a nose dive.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Well, I'm still counting this as a one-year deal since that's how I think it'll turn out. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent  Well that depends.  Do you consider Revis' APY to be $12m?  Because it isn't, it's $16m (strictly speaking).

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @Bent  

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports the Seahawks and LCB Richard Sherman "have made considerable progress" on a long-term deal that will make Sherman the highest-paid corner in the NFL.

The sides are "hopeful" the deal will be completed by the draft, and it's expected to be worth north of $13 million annually. Darrelle Revis is currently the top-paid corner in the league at $12 million for 2014. Aqib Talib sets the bar in terms of guaranteed money with $26 million. Sherman should shatter that. The 2011 fifth-rounder just turned 26 last month and is entering the final year of his deal. 

This is from Rotoworld...

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent That's also very true, but I'd be surprised.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @a57se  Or how the Patriots react if Sherman's deal comes in well below it.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Well Draftek has what they call the 2014 version.......

If you look at the trades from last year most go for about 90% of the Charts value. That is the team trading UP pays 90% of the value from the chart.

There were only two trades that were made last year that exceeded the 100% value but several were much more favorable.

Off the top of my head, the Dolphins trade with Oakland to get Jordan was ~ 75% of full value and the Rams trade with buffalo to get Austin was ~ 102% of full value......I believe they were the extremes.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @rrjm  


The way Hank talks, you'd think that package was worth more than all those picks outlined above.

Brendan
Brendan

@rrjm I think that was a special case, but that is an example of someone taking a package no one would have expected. 

rrjm
rrjm

@Brendan @a57se  


Remember what the Jets gave up to move to 5 to get Mark Sanchez? their #17 and #57 picks, Ratliff, Coleman, and Abram Elam...

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Do you think teams are still using that same value chart in the new CBA? Serious question, I would think that they've changed how they view picks now. 


I think it's obvious teams don't strictly adhere to that chart, if the Jets can entice a team into trading (and for the record I'd only want to do it at like 13 or 14) and retain their 2nd rounder I'd do it. It's not impossible, just unlikely. 

rrjm
rrjm

@Brendan @rrjm  


Honestly, I wouldnt even consider Johnny at 18 if he fell. If Bridgewater happens to fall I'd look at him. I really don't think Manziel is going to be a successful NFL QB imo

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @rrjm 

The Jets whole draft minus their second round pick is worth 1285 according to the Draft Value Chart while the 10th pick is worth 1300 so technically we have just enough firepower to pull it off...........If I was Detroit I wouldn't be happy getting a 1,3,4,5,6 and 7 for my 1.........

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Brendan  Rex doesn't need a Terrell Suggs, he needs an Adalius Thomas.

blackwood1
blackwood1

@Brendan @a57seThat was my thought pattern, we have a surplus of picks why not use it as an advantage. I did not want to lose our 3rd rd pick I was looking to have two shots in the 3rd & I felt over paying a little to move in to the top of the 3rd rd of this deep draft to pick what could be a long term starter at either safety or TE was worth it.

Brendan
Brendan

@Marvel Well, I think it's very short-sighted to act like moving in those rounds will make a big difference. 


In the first four rounds you have players who can be starters in a year or two, if one slips and you can move up with the team's 4th rounder or something? Do it.

Marvel
Marvel

@Brendan

 If we trade picks it should only involve  be our 5th/6th/7th...


There is no reason to touch the top 6 picks imo.


Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Yeah, I saw that and I certainly wouldn't hate it. Targeting a guy in the 2nd/3rd rounds and using your later picks to jump up and get him is fine by me. In limited doses, with pick-heavy drafts, it's a great plan. Just don't make it a staple of the drafts (which I can't see Idzik doing). 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Yeah, Bent and I were discussing this the other day........I used the idea in my mock yesterday to get Dee Ford at 34........

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I think if you fired someone for trading draft picks on the spot you'd be proving yourself the fool since you don't know how those picks would turn out. 


I fully expect some kind of trade-up in the middle rounds, if I'm being completely honest. 12 picks is just too much and that heavy 4th round will let the Jets move around a bit, I thin. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Well I don't suffer fools very well and that would be a very foolish move to me.

Anywho.......you could definitely make a move like that within the confines of this years picks and not start down the path to  drafts with only a handful of picks.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I think it's insane to "fire someone on the spot" over that trade. I would do a 3rd this year and a 4th next year, but trading to move up in the 3rd is a fireable offense when you have 12 picks, including 3 fourth rounders? 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

You think Trading a 4th this year and a third next year for a 3rd this year is a good idea?

Maybe I should of said it differently. 

IF I was the owner of the Jets and Idzik did that trade, I'd fire his butt on the spot.