Draft Watch: Senior Bowl notes

NCAA Football: Senior Bowl

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

Our friend Andrew Garda will be sharing his Senior Bowl impressions with us a little bit down the road, but here’s a compilation of notes and links from around the league on the goings on at the Senior Bowl last week.

Jerry Attaochu, OLB Georgia Tech — The Jags staff tried out Attaochu at the “Leo” linebacker spot (end/linebacker) and Attaochu showed some athleticism and good burst.  Expect him to be a middle round talent.

Pierre Desir, CB Lindenwood — Small school players always get a chance to shine against FCS competition.  Desir was a Shrine game call up and is still very raw with his footwork, use of hands, and body positioning, but his athleticism and physical play will allow him to play press corner in the NFL.  Expect him to be a top 100 player if he can build on Shrine and Senior Bowls, run a good timed 40-yard dash and excel in his private workouts with teams.

Aaron Donald, DT Pittsburgh — The Senior Bowl named Donald the coveted Most Outstanding Overall Player at Reese’s Senior Bowl practices at the Player’s Banquet.  The award went to Eric Fisher last year.

Dee Ford, DE Auburn —  Ford impressed during the week in pass rushing drills because of his speed and quickness.  Ford then went on to earn the game’s MVP award by forcing passers to react to him with two sacks and a pass breakup.  At 6’2″, 243 pounds, he might be a little light and small to play in the Jets system, but his quickness more than makes up for his bulk.

C.J. Fiedorowicz, TE Iowa — The Jets could use a traditional three down tight end who can both block and catch and the 6-7, 265-pound Fiedorowicz might be the right man for the job.  Fiedorowicz looked good in drills, getting open against athletic linebackers and being hard to guard in the middle of the field.

NCAA Football: Senior Bowl

Crockett Gilmore, TE Colorado State — The Rams’ star had five catches for 61 yards and a touchdown and showed off his strong hands and underrated running skills in the Senior Bowl.  Beyond doing a good job of catching the ball, Gilmore had a good showing as a blocker by repeatedly sealing the the corner on perimeter runs and neutralizing his assignment power runs between the tackles.

Josh Huff, WR Oregon — Coming from Philadelphia, Marty Mornhinweg made good use of his speedy receiver DeSean Jackson.  Last year the Jets were rumored to be interested in Tavon Austin.  A year later the the Jets could still use a shifty deep threat in the passing game who could double as a returned on punts or kicks.  Huff was productive in his final year at Oregon, notching 62 catches and 12 touchdowns is considered a fifth rounder, but scouts were apparently talking about his deep play potential.

Marqueston Huff, CB Wyoming — Huff had an impressive week, and Gil Brandt’s team seems high on his NFL potential. Brandt later tweeted that Huff should have sub-4.4 speed and could be one of the top 100 players drafted.

Nevin Lawson, CB Utah State — Lawson should be a late pick, but impressed scouts with great special teams work as a gunner and punt returner.  He also played hard as a cornerback with a physical style to him that NFL coaches will like.

Jordan Matthews, WR Vanderbilt — Matthews size (6’3″ and 209 pounds) and speed combined with his his production in the SEC (112 passes for 1,477 yards) has many teams paying attention to him and he was a standout during practices.  Nothing less should be expected for the potential first round talent.

Morgan Moses, RT Virginia — The Jets invested heavily in the line in the 2013 Draft, but with pending free agent Austin Howard the Jets might need to consider a “people mover” like Moses.  While Moses played the left side as a senior, he would best fit at the right thanks to his size and strength.

Trent Murphy, OLB Stanford — Murphy will likely drop in the draft based on his Senior Bowl performance.  The good news for the Jets is that they don’t need a world-class edge rusher in their current defense to have that player see modest success. While Murphy appeared thin up against tackles in Mobile, his 14 sacks as part of the Cardinal defense might make the Jets look past a bad Senior Bowl performance.

Caraun Reid, DT Princeton — Reid has garnered some NFL attention in his last two seasons, but the bloom came off the rose as a senior once many opponents gameplanned around him.  At the Senior Bowl with a chance to work in more one-on-one situations, scouts could recall why he was a player they watched as a junior.  Reid finished with two sacks pressured an interception.  The Jets don’t need much more talent at the defensive line, but as a potential second or third day pick, Reid would be hard to pass up.

NCAA Football: Senior BowlJames White, RB Wisconsin — At 5’9″ White doesn’t have great size be he was efficient in carrying the ball for 5.5 yards per carry and a score.  White is a physical player and seems to play well in the open field which makes him a compelling passing target and special teamer.

Dez Southward, S Wisconson — The Jets can use some versatile safety help and
Southward is able to play in the box or deep in pass coverage.

DE Brent Urban, DE Virginia — Despite a massive frame (6-7, 298 pounds), Urban performed well at shedding blockers and setting the edge.  Depending on what the Jets do with Calvin Pace, Urban’s run-stuffing work make him attractive while his length could make him project pass-rusher.

OLB Kyle Van Noy, OLB BYU — Van Noy was another player that the Jaguars’s staff tried at the “Leo” position, and seemed to work out for the athletic Van Noy

CB Jaylen Watkins, CB Florida – Watkins can play inside and out (as he did in college) and his man coverage skills shone in Mobile.  Watkins held up well against Jordan Matthews and credited his time at Florida for helping him adjust quickly at the Senior Bowl due to the Gators almost exclusive man coverage style.

 




152 comments
NYBaller89
NYBaller89

Rd1: Jace Amaro

Rd2: Kelvin Benjamin/Jordan Matthews/Davante Adams/Allen Robinson

 Rd3: Jerry Attaochu

 Rd3: Kyle Fuller

 Rd4: Deanthony Thomas

 Rd5: Jared Abbrderis

 Rd6: Will Clarke

bob
bob

Sure would love to score a real good OLB in the 3rd round if its possible...

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

Cimin's article was good and gave some real hope, but why did he have to get a shot in with the first sentence that said the Jets have went 45 straight years without a SB?!

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

Imagination & desperation won't make Josh Huff into Tavon Austin. The Jets missed that boat and chasing others with less ability is a mistake the Jet have made too often. Remember when they were outsmarted on Brett Farve (#33) and picked Browning Nagle (#34) while telling the fans they were equal. So if they opt for Huff, do it with real expectations not with unrealistic expectations.


I DO realize this whole examination of offense is academic since the Jets will probably use at least their first two draft choices on defense, but I just hope anyone they draft will be based on what abilities the player already demonstrated (no matter how raw) vs what they think they can develop. If they use that cautious approach, the risk of getting burned is minimized since they can plan utilizing a known skill set.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

The More I think about it, CB is a very big need in FA. Milliner will still be going through some growing pains, and Wilson or Walls on the other side is a little hairy. I like Wilson in the slot, but he is a little weak on the outside and prone to give up the big plays. There has been some talk of going after Tillman who is up there in age, but still very good and a ball hawk, but he wont be cheap. I still say Shields is a good option. We definitely need a solid vet or we will get diced again. The secondary gave up the most deep passes under Rex last season than in any other of his years with the jets. 

Kyle Suta
Kyle Suta

Lee in 1st Fiedorowicz in 2nd Bucannon and Attaochu in 3rd and archer in 4th.

Verner Maclin Pitta Cassel McQuistan in

FA

Resign Howard Folk Colon Reed and Pace

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

Van Noy! Matthews! Fiedorowicz! So much awesome. 


Also like Attaochu. 


Really, really don't like Josh Huff, by the way. 

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Speaking of Barnes, one of my favorite moments of last year was him jumping up and down before a snap cuz he was so hungry for a sack. Was pretty awesome.

SackDance99
SackDance99

Gilmore is a very interesting prospect.  Could be a nice 2nd round pick up.

dabronx
dabronx

@NYBaller89 

Abbrederis in round 5?!?  No way he gets passed round 3 and will most likely be a second rounder. Ebron looks much more athletic than Jace Amaro. But Amaro stats are much better. 

No OL?

Pat d
Pat d

Every team would love to get a good OLB in the third round. As a rule they go early.

Pat d
Pat d

Agree, no more projects in the early rounds.

Mateen Kemet
Mateen Kemet

@jake100 Tillman is not a man corner and is old.  Shields , meh.  We will cut then resign CRO as well as draft a CB in 3rd, maybe Desir.  We also have a project that we got from PATS, Ras-I dowling wo is talented but injury prone.

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 Or they could cut & re-sign Cro at a discount if they're confident in his health. 

Mateen Kemet
Mateen Kemet

@Kyle Suta WR Evans or LEE,  fiedorowski in 3rd.  desir in 3rd,  ANd OLB in 4th or grice/ archer  RB


or Ebron 1st and Mathews in 2nd

D
D

@bradysucksIf he fell to 18, I know it wouldnt be favorable but I would draft Manziel.   This kid is underated as a thrower and clearly was the BEST player on the field in almost every game he played in.   In the ultra competitive SEC

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Lol Johnny football is this off seasons Geno Smith. I remember you posing the same stuff about geno last year.

Same post different QB.

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong Hey Mr. Mac (sorry, this is my nickname for my cousin who uses Apple computers)!


i5 vs. i7 processor in the MacBook....that big of a difference? I don't do anything with videos, but I will use it for photos and writing, besides the typical online buffoonery. 


I'm close to buying a new MacBook with the retina display, but was looking at hardware specs and know you like macs. Interested on your take, if you don't mind. 

harold
harold

His Sr tape is really good.  His jr tape is inconsistent.  But he is a solid pick I would take in the 4th round and not think twice.

Brendan
Brendan

@DrJonathanReefer I remember that. Damn, picturing him racing around the edge while Coples bears down and shuts off the escape route is....ohmygodIjustsplurgedinmypants. 

harold
harold

You realize he is projected in rounds 5-7 right?

harold
harold

He would be a solid pick up in the 5th or 6th round.  I was surprised at what I saw from him.  He looked fairly fluid and was more athletic than a later round pick usually is

bob
bob

@Pat d

LoL...I see that BB has an OLB at the top of the list.

Pat d
Pat d

Evans, Lee or Ebron in the first would be great

Pat d
Pat d

You nailed it. Late round 1 or early round 2 I would take Johnny Football. I think it would be a mistake to move up into the top 5 to get him. Which is where he may end up going. Too risky.

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@Brendan @Marcus Armstrong You won't notice a difference between an i5 and an i7... Certainly not on the processor features unless you're doing video editing of some kind. These days, very little in life is processor bound. Spend the money on your drive (So, make sure it's an SSD) and RAM instead.

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@harold I watched a lot of Oregon this year (Mariota/DAT) and was really unimpressed, specifically with his hands and ball skills. That, combined with his mediocre measurables screams a PS guy to me.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

I'd take Moncrief in the 4th first......I keep seeing him down there for some reason.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

He is a late 4th- early 5th rounder on CBS Sports big board.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

Yeah.......2nd round would be a Belichick move!

Brian Bassett
Brian Bassett moderator

@bob @Pat d alphabetical! :D

And just so you know I think with the Sons of Anarchy, the Jets could make do nicely with a third round linebacker ... I mean ... an aging Calvin Pace had 10 sacks with those guys ... what could a young raw player with real speed do?

Brendan
Brendan

@Brian Bassett He's the most attractive CB in FA by far, imo. I have a lot of friends that live in the Nashville area (or used to) and are huge Titans fans, they think the team breaks from its mold a bit and actually breaks the bank to keep Verner. 


If he really is interested in leaving, Rex + NYC is a great recruiting tool. 

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@juunit @Marcus Armstrong @Brendan Not sure what you mean. There's basically no support on Windows for actual computer-y things (Cygwin does not count)... Terminal gives you a real computer with the 21st century amenities like browsers and whatnot that you actually expect to have (And without ridiculous UI paradigms like right-click).


Can't really talk about your wifi struggles, as I've never had anything of the sort, but honestly, taking it into the shop isn't a bad option. 

juunit
juunit

@Marcus Armstrong@Brendan@juunit 

Maybe so, but that insane OS allows you to actually do things outside of the kindergarten level "drag and drop." 

Case in point, my Mac was randomly disconnecting from the wifi every few minutes. So I look up the issue. Posts from 2008 talking about the same issue. There were some unintelligible responses on how to fix it. Apparently some people could figure those out, since they responded with "none of these solutions work." Then, at the bottom of the thread, the final piece of advice, the coup de gras of Apple support... "take it to the Apple store, maybe they'll give you a new one."

By the way, the wifi problem randomly fixed itself. No updates, no changes made. Maybe it got mad that I stopped using it for a couple weeks and decided to stop screwing with me... I dunno. 


But at least I no longer look like the poor kid on campus who can't afford a Mac. So, there's that.

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit I have an ACER laptop that's about 2.5 years old, I just think it's time to change it up. Plus, I have a Samsung laptop for work, plus a work desktop PC, I think my personal computer can be different. 

juunit
juunit

@Brendan@Marcus Armstrong 

First of all, BOOOOOO! I hate my Mac. I still use my 3 year old $400 Samsung for every day stuff.

I got the i7. I wanted the upgraded i5, but they didn't have one at the store and I didn't want the most basic one when I'm spending $1500+ on it. Tough for me to compare it though, since I've never used the i5. 

But the screen is nice...

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong @Brendan Nice. I was getting buyer's anxiety a bit, I rarely do, but this is a 5-year investment in my eyes...so I wanted to make sure I did it right. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong @Brendan Well, I feel reassured. I already bought it (oops), but I got a 15" MacBook Pro with 8 gb of RAM and an SSD hard drive with (I believe) 252 GB of space. Stuck with the i5, I was using my cousin's Air the other day with an i5 and it was fantastic. 

a57se
a57se

@harold 

Matthews does body catching as well....bad habit of his.

harold
harold

I watched him.  He can make difficult catches with defenders on him.  that is critical to the NFL.  He does some body cathing but, he makes a ton of hands catches so not overly concerned.  He has excellent athleticism and I think his skills translate well to the NFL.

harold
harold

If Moncrief is there I would take him over Huff just think he will be at worst a late 3rd rounder.  Unless he tests poorly.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99

You really have penis envy for the Pats...every TE you like is Gronk-like!

(Drops Mic and runs...)

SackDance99
SackDance99

@haroldYou've brought up a good point.  From now on all I'm going to say is that he should be on the Jets' board because predicting rounds or mentioning them just gets into pointless debates.  All I really meant to say is that Gillmore has Gronk-like attributes and looked better, IMO, than Sudfield and the big Iowa kid.

harold
harold

I saw that but that is based partially on the Sr post season games.  I know orginally he was a 5-7th rounder unless he blazes the combine he will probably still go in the 5th to 6th round range.  4th round is the highest likely destination.

juunit
juunit

@Brendan@SackDance99 

I think Sack and I agree for the most part. The combine isn't useless, but it's overvalued by lots of people. It's most useful to judge guys from low level schools (to make sure they don't just look good on tape because they're basically playing high schoolers) and to weed out the extremes on either end of the spectrum. The most valuable part of the combine is the unadvertised stuff, not really the drills. If a guy is a really good or really poor athlete, the scouts already know that without the drills. The 40, bench, etc. just quantifies it with a specific value that isn't really very meaningful. It's more for the fans and fantasy football type stuff.

juunit
juunit

@a57se@juunit@SackDance99 

"Disappointed with the consistency of his play."

Yeah, 3, 2, 1, 0, 1, 1.5, 1, 1, 1, 1 sacks, then he was playing injured after the Bama game and had three in a row without one. Getting at least one sack in almost every game he's healthy is really "inconsistent." 

3, 2, 3, 2.5, 2, 2.5, 2, 1, 1, 1 TFL, again, until after the Bama game, where he was hurt. 

The definition of inconsistency right there. Russ Lande was so off base it's just sad. It's no wonder he couldn't continue to find work as a professional scout and had to resort to blogging about the career he once had. 

And Moore's motor was never once a problem. Sure, he isn't the athlete that Dion Jordan is. His motor though? Non-stop. Absolutely ridiculous to suggest otherwise. When it came game time, Moore never gave up on a play. 

Brendan
Brendan

@SackDance99 (I was responding to you and juunit, for the record)


I agree that the team has a draft board set before the combine is silly. Not only do teams still have the combine, but they still have pro days and individual workouts at the team facilities to go through. I have no doubts that Sheldon didn't start out as high on their board as he ended up, but the combination of his personality (once Rex got a whiff of that he had to have been smitten), athleticism and pro day (didn't Rex work him out personally?) probably pushed him up their board. That process, if utilized properly, is a great tool for players to move up draft boards.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan@juunit@SackDance99I think I consistently said that the Combine was a tool for the teams, along with tape, interviews, visits, etc.  What I really disagreed with was the notion that teams have complete draft boards before the Combine.  They've done their scouting and rank prospects, but at the Combine the players, for instance, get MRIs.  To say the Combine is irrelevant when you get an MRI on a player is silly.


Of course, all the testing drills, like I said, can be plus or minus factors if the player either does exceeding well or poorly.  In short, the Combine can make or break a player or it can have no impact...but it is part of the scouting analysis.

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit @SackDance99 


I think the truth lies somewhere between what the two of you are saying (or, to put it another way, you're both right). 


The combine matters. The interviews are very important, and guys have to perform well to hold their current draft stock. I think as long as a guy hits a certain range of test results for a team, they "pass" or "fail" the combine, which affects their draft stock. I don't think a player running a 4.75 instead of a 4.68 is all that damning, but a guy running a 4.9 instead of a 4.5 is (and, of course, the splits are more important than the actual time). If you're projecting a guy to have average athleticism, but makes up for it in intelligence, heart, whatever...combine times mean less. If you're looking at a guy's athleticism as one of his key attributes? The combine will weigh heavily. 


In the case of Moore, his character, combined with poor combine results, scared teams. If he had zero character concerns, teams probably draft him a little earlier, but if he blew up the combine with ridiculous times/tests? 1st rounder, without question. There are always teams willing to overlook character flaws for guys who can light it up (with some rare exceptions, like Burfict, who kind of screwed himself with the pre-draft stuff). 


The combine matters. Not as much to NFL teams as it does to the media, but it does matter. 



SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@SackDance99a57se, you have a very low football IQ and are one of the dumbest, yet prolific, commenters.  Oh, and let's draft David Fales because his college stats are better than Geno's...you, my friend, are an idiot. 

juunit
juunit

@SackDance99@juunit@a57se 

Yeah, and I think either killing or failing the combine are really the only times a team puts much stock in the results. 

Much more important are tape, drills and interviews. I mean, that's how I'd look at it if I were in an NFL scouting department. I wouldn't want to make a football related decision based on not football related things, like running in a straight line down a clay track out of sprinter's blocks in shorts and regular shoes.

The bench press for example is nice and all, but of the top 10 all time performers, like 2 of them had real careers. And just last year Travis Frederick was saying how at Wisconsin they focused on lower body training instead of bench press related exercise for the linemen. And as a rookie who was "weak" according to his bench press, he had one of PFF's highest run blocking grades for a center (2nd in the NFL I think), which is directly related to strength. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57seSee my comment about Clowney.  If Moore had killed the Combine, I don't think anything would've kept him from going in the 1st round.  And, I could trot out scouts who liked Moore...he had a lot of support pre-combine.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@juunit@SackDance99@a57seCombine, tape, pro days and invites for visits are tools in the pre-draft analysis.  The Combine has gotten out of control, but it is test and killing the test or failing the test are always noted.


For instance, Clowney says he'll run under a 4.5 40.  If he does, I don't think anything else he does will affect his draft status.

juunit
juunit

@SackDance99@juunit@a57se 

My point about character, is people saw him as being unprepared for the combine. Courtney Upshaw pulled the same crap. He was clearly not trying during combine workouts, scouts didn't like that, and he fell to the 2nd round. Making it in the NFL takes hard work, and both those guys were deemed risks to not put the effort in.

I think people seriously overvalue all this pre-draft stuff. The combine has become a media sensation much more than it's an evaluation tool. Only extreme outliers in the draft, both negative and positive, have a real impact on draft position. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@juunit@SackDance99@a57seIf he had killed the Combine, he would've been a 1st rounder...let's not make too much over character.


And, like you, I think he could become a decent pro, but not the pass rush terror he was in college.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@SackDance99I disagree.  His tape showed a guy who could edge rush, his 40 time showed a guy who couldn't edge rush at the pro level.  It changed how you looked at him.  From pass rusher to generic OLB prospect.  Conversely, guys like Bruce Irvin got helped by his 40 time because elite speed + tape overcame his size issues.  His tape showed an edge rusher, but everyone thought he couldn't get around the edge at the pro level because of his size.  Then, his elite speed showed that there wasn't really any pro LT who could handle his speed...it confirmed his tape.

juunit
juunit

@SackDance99@a57se@juunit 

Coupled with his personality, the poor showing at the combine in more than just the 40 made teams really wonder how he'd react after getting paid. He was known as a poor practicer and had off the field issues as well.

I have no problem saying that he fell 100% due to his character. 


I also have no problem saying that once the Giants actually give him a chance to play, he'll make an impact.

juunit
juunit

@SackDance99@a57se 

Usually when a guy falls that far, like with Moore, it's because of personality issues. Which obviously are completely unknown to people not actually involved in the process.

Da'Rick Rogers was the same last year. Borderline 1st round talent, UDFA brain. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@SackDance99Talking prospects is fine, talking rounds is silly.  Last year at this point Damontre Moore was a 1st rounder.  After the Combine and Pro Days, draft order gets clearer.  I guess you disagree, like always.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@SackDance99@haroldI agree, let the Combine work its magic.  All I can say is that Gillmore looked more fluid in the passing game than Fiedorowicz.  When you're getting into the difference between the 3rd-6th best prospect, very little separates them, that's why the Combine can be an equalizer, especially for a kid like Gillmore who doesn't have a lot of tape out there (but what is out there is very good).

harold
harold

Any low grade was medical.  This is not a similiar situation.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@haroldHe had as high as a low 1st round grade and as low as a 3-4th round grade.  No way he was going 1st round because of injuries.

harold
harold

Gronk had a 1st round grade and fell to the second based on medical. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@haroldGronk had a 3-4th round grade and he missed considerable time in college.  Yes, Arizona is a better program, but Gronk is about 10 lbs heavier than Gillmore.  I'm not a predict the rounds guy, I'm a if the TE is talented, he's worth a 2-3rd round pick because TE is always undervalued in the draft.  So, if Gilmore kills the Combine, he'd be worth a higher pick because true 3 down TEs are both rare and valuable.

harold
harold

He is probably at best a 4th round prospect  If he runs a 4.7 forty.  He is not a 2nd round prospect in any way shape or form.  I like the kid but it is just not very likely at all good combine or no good combine

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@haroldI can't predict rounds at this point before the Combine.  He's tall, athletic and had a rep as a blocker, but he looked very fluid in the passing game.  If he kills the 40 and the drills at the Combine, and with the rep he has as a blocker, then I don't think he'd last to the 5th or 6th round...that's one-dimensional TE territory.  Maybe 2nd is too high, but TE is the "it" position now and I can't see any potential 3-down TE lasting until the 5th.