Dyer: Jets should keep Sanchez

In an article over at CBS New York, Kristian Dyer presents a controversial take on what the Jets should do with their quarterback position.

He concludes – while admitting that it might not be the most popular of ideas – that Mark Sanchez would be a better option than any of the guys on the open market that the Jets might be consider adding. Obviously that would be contingent on renegotiating Sanchez’s contract so that he had a much lower salary in 2014. His reasoning:

The excuse last year for rookie quarterback Geno Smith always was that while he still had a steep learning curve, he could have been much better if he had actual weapons around him. But in 2011, Sanchez was blamed for all the struggles of the Jets offense – this despite a horrid offensive line and a similarly bad, if not worse, array of “weapons.” Yet Jets fans want to run Sanchez out of town for his struggles (and, yes, he certainly had some forgettable games) and anoint Smith for the future. They can excuse Smith because of a lack of weapons, yet they are unwilling to give Sanchez the same slack. Smith gets a free pass for his interceptions because he didn’t have good talent around him, while Sanchez is lambasted despite having equally poor targets, a worse offensive line, and a nonexistent running game.

Once back in the fold, Dyer suggests that Sanchez could offer a “stiff challenge” to incumbent starter Geno Smith next season.

Bent, TheJetsBlog.com

After the 2012 season, it seemed inevitable that Sanchez would never play again for the Jets. The decision was ultimately taken out of the Jets hands in 2013 when Sanchez suffered a season-ending injury in preseason. The passage of time, along with being forced to endure some of Smith’s growing pains in his rookie campaign, seems to have dampened this sentiment, but we’d imagine that Sanchez would have a short leash from many fans, who would soon lose patience once he started turning the ball over again.

Maybe Kristian has a point that you could blame some of Sanchez’s shortcomings on things which Geno Smith is getting a pass for, but our belief is that Sanchez did have plenty of talent around him earlier in his career, yet was still maddeningly inconsistent. Also, it’s okay to give a rookie a pass for making rookie mistakes, but Sanchez was still making rookie mistakes in his third and fourth seasons. In addition, there were few signs from last year’s short-lived preseason campaign that these mistakes were going to be eradicated from his game.

The Jets-Sanchez marriage has been one that has been on the rocks for some time and the sense that they could both benefit from a fresh start still seems to be the most logical approach. However, it’s not impossible for a player to look like he’s destined to be on his way out of town over a period of a few years only to turn their career around and improve their value. A recent example of this would be Alex Smith, who the 49ers resisted a couple of opportunities to get rid of and it paid off for them when he had a career year in 2012, helped the team transition to Colin Kaepernick and returned them some decent value in a trade.

We’re sure Kristian is right that this is an idea that won’t be too popular, but just how unpopular? We’re interested in your take, so let us know by responding to the poll below and feel free to go into more detail in the comments.




89 comments
Ryan Grote
Ryan Grote

I wanted Sanchez to be the guy, and now I'd like Geno to be our guy. Question...who else here has seen Sanchez at training camp or any open practice and also seen Geno? Beyond the hands issue with Sanchez, just watch him throw. Have seen it at Florham Park and Met Life, and understand that public practices are orchestrated most likely and not designed to show all of the proverbial cards, but Geno can do some things that Sanchez just can not. It's Geno for us, or the next guy, whoever and whenever that is. Let Sanchez go, maybe he gets a chance in Houston or somewhere. If they draft d (not just clowney) need secondary help, and get healthy Foster, Sanchez could handle things there.

realjetfan
realjetfan

Dumb. Dyer doesn't believe the own crap he's spewing for one second. Just trying to make controversy and news... and sadly, it worked.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Trade Sanchez in the division so our defense can get 4 or 5 interceptions a game each time he starts against the Jets. You can always count on Sanchez to be dumb with the football if you make him throw it more than 20 times a game......Trade him IN THE DIVISION......This is my dream

David Aron
David Aron

i still think that sanchez is a viable option, for the right price, if he has weapons who can make DBs pay for trying to sit on slants or flats. he might even be more accurate than before with a repaired shoulder.
i had been a proponent of the 'not enough weapons' theory on sanchez in the last draft, preferring to get a skill position player in a weak 2013 QB class and drafting a franchise QB in a deep and quality 2014 QB class if sanchez had bombed.
i took it up with EA at newyorkjets.com and got tarred and feathered:

David Aron
Haifa, Israel
Wouldn't our offense have been better served with a second-round pick at a different skill position and next year pick a 1st round rated QB? 

EA: Ahhh, you know better than that.  You don’t look ahead to next year.  What skill position player would have you have taken instead of Geno Smith?  I like the pick, I like what I’ve seen and I’m awfully glad Marty Mornhinweg and QB coach David Lee are tutoring the young passer.



to answer EA, the skill players drafted inbetween Jets' 2nd & 3rd round pick:
TE Escobar - Cowboys - who? a non-factor in the offense in 2013
TE McDonald - 49ers - not much offensively, however, his presence allowed the 49ers to split TE Davis out as a WR.
TE Kelce - Chiefs - had almost 0 snaps in 2013.
WR Dobson - Pats - had some growing pains but has started to be a productive player for them
WR Woods - Bills - a very solid WR
RB Lacy - GB - not that i think that the jets needed to draft a RB with the FA moves they made, just sayin' that the OROY could have been had too.

jetfan13
jetfan13

He has made a lot of money already and I'm sure he hasn't forgotten how good it felt in NY after the first 2 playoff runs!

jetfan13
jetfan13

If we can get Sanchez to renegotiate to a number close to the 4.8 mil cap hit we would be crazy not to give him another shot. With Marty and Qb coach Lee( who we tried to get for years) to work with him, he deserves another chance. With some weapons and let him run when he needs ( remember giving him SLIDING LESSONS) let him play and see what happens! You think the Bengals would take Mark' s playoff # over Dalton's

Vinnie Pedi
Vinnie Pedi

If Sanchez was our backup last year, and came in to relieve Geno during his three game nightmare. I wouldve choked myself until I was no longer conscious. Seriously? Lets dump him already and let some other fan base be like "o great we just signed the butt fumbler"

harold
harold

Brian:

You are batting a thousand... You do realize Alex Smith is better than Sanchez, right?

Sanchez is a bad starter and while a solid back-up, is not the back up for the Jets.

kniff
kniff

I would much prefer to move on, as I think Mark would like to do...


This is the Idzik Show now, not a  Tanny rerun....and there is a huge risk with little reward for Jet Nation...


Lets grab a kid in the draft in the third round that could be the golden QB we're looking for...but never stop panning for gold!!!

levi
levi

If you guys posted a video of all Marks turnovers (I know it would be long) I think you people would remember how many stupid ridiculous unnecessary turnovers the guy has had and think "ok lets just cut him."

jetsfn
jetsfn

i agree with you jetfan13 he would be in the offense for the 2nd year and doesnt have to play catch up with the playbook. Look I am not saying he will turn into Rich Gannon but with real offensive weapons and a real offensive coordinator like Marty it will help mark even if he leaves in a year or two....

levi
levi

Couldnt help but notice the Ferrari is black.

Mike DeRosa
Mike DeRosa

@JCuratola3 He has bad hands, thats the issue. How many times have we seen him get grazed on a rush and have him just butterfingers the ball to the ground, or throw a pass that is no where near our receivers. At least Smith is aiming at a guy.

harold
harold

No he is just a terrible starting QB.

levi
levi

@Vinnie Pedi  Good point. I think its odd that some Jets fans want someone back who played historically bad for them and other teams fans would likely hate the idea of signing him. A fickle bunch we Jets fans are...

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  That was written by Bent, not Bassett. Go peep Smith's first three seasons and tell us that there's no comparison to be made. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  Context is important. Matt Schaub threw pick sixes in 4 straight games (which is worse than 4 games total) as a 10th year veteran. Geno threw 4 pick sixes (not in consecutive games) as a rookie. They should not evaluated the same way (and thankfully, they aren't). 

Bent
Bent moderator

@levi  Ah, but what if we posted a video of all his touchdown passes?

harold
harold

I am at work, misread.. But I have seen Smith seasons and they are still better.  He only really started playing full-time in 2006 he had QB rating of 74.8.

In every season he has played 11 or more games he has only one sub 80 QB rating season.   He is better than Sanchez.  Sorry 

kniff
kniff

@a57se @kniff  I'm thinking I agree with you that it looks like we're going to war with Geno.... cool.

Geno has some wheels on him, and it exciting to watch, but it is dangerous.

Say Geno gets hurt in week 3...... and Sanchez goes in. Then plays much like we've complained about on here, and in your words "adjusts to the mean" (taken from our convo on McCown I know)

Nobody is happy, the circus is back, and Rex is history.... period paragraph, 


Oh yes, to your second question.... I like the kid you put on the map weeks ago, Zach Mettenberger. 6'-5" and 230 lbs. and 57 loves the footage he's seen.... I'm in!!!

levi
levi

@Bent It would not out weigh the turnovers.

Bytor
Bytor

Let's just hope he can be the master of his domain.

harold
harold

I haven't moved the goal posts.  You guys want to compare someone with way fewer starts to someone who has substanially more.

Your stats lack any perspective and because of the huge difference in game experience cannot be expected to be an accurate indicator.

You have to give games played as context to show progress.

harold
harold

You must have missed logic class.

If I am in my 66th start and you are in your 69th start but in our last 16 starts:

My stats looked like this 61.3% 17 TD's 5 INT's

And yours like this 54.3% 13TD's 18 INT's

Who is the better player?

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  


Please explain how it hurts my argument that Smith's 69th start was a year later than you said it was? 


That means Sanchez is even further ahead of that curve. 


They were not "basically the same age." Sanchez 25/26 aged season vs. Smith's 28 aged season. 

harold
harold

Then even worst, not better for you argument, to be honest.  Rememeber I am counting playoff games as well so really in regular season it would be basically even.

But as I was saying it makes it worst because he was playing at a higher level in fewer starts at basically the same age.

That does not help you, unfortunately.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  Look again. You're counting games played in, not games started. He had 66 starts after the 2011 season. 

harold
harold

You are factually incorrect Smith 69th start was in 2011 and he was in his age 27 year.

Sanchez was in age 26 year when he got his 69th start.

Context, not much difference in age, but huge difference in performance.

Ladies and Gentleman of the jury, I rest my case. 

harold
harold

Bent:

I will retract my statement.  I thought it was Bassett and after this morning with a non-factual statement presented as fact, I was itching to attack.

While I do not agree with your statement, it is an opinion and should have been taken as such.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  "vodoo math"? 

Great, Smith got to his 69th start in 2012, when he was 28. Sanchez won't be 28 until the middle of November this year. There's some context. 

harold
harold

Again you are doing vodoo math you are comparing 47 starts to 69 total starts of experience.  Doesn't add any context.   If you want to add context do so.  Posting stats without games played or even taking into account the quality of the team is nonsensical.

Smith was better at 69 starts than Sanchez by a mile. Based on quality of team and quality of play.

The sad part is Smith was merely a capable NFL QB and he was much better than Sanchez.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  You said three years. We can add Year 4. Here, let's do it. 


660/1172 (56.3%), 36/43 TD/INT ratio, 7029 yards. 


1028/1867 (55.1%; was 55.3% after 3 years), 68/69 TD/INT ratio, 12092 yards. 



So, including Mark's awful year, he still was ahead of Smith's first four years. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@harold  All I said was this:


"it’s not impossible for a player to look like he’s destined to be on his way out of town over a period of a few years only to turn their career around and improve their value. A recent example of this would be Alex Smith, who the 49ers resisted a couple of opportunities to get rid of and it paid off for them when he had a career year in 2012, helped the team transition to Colin Kaepernick and returned them some decent value in a trade."


I simply cited Alex as an example of someone who it all worked out for.  I offered no comment upon how likely this would be for Sanchez or whether I thought Alex was comparable to Sanchez.


I don't think there's anything wrong with the above paragraph.

harold
harold

I said he was better than Sanchez and I always was speaking about full-time.  I can't compare seasons where a player plays 7 and 9 games to seasons of 16 to 19 games?

That does make sense to me.   I should have clarified.  But I assumed we would be looking at relevant stats.  In your you ignore one of the worst seasons in NFL history to show that they are progressing equally.

I did not take issue with that and do not think you should take umbrage at me using close to full seasons for Alex Smith.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  You said his first three years were better. They weren't. 


Now you qualify it to say first three seasons as a full time starter, which is rubbish. You don't get to ignore his rookie season (where he was the full time starter until getting benched and hurt), while taking Sanchez's into consideration. 


You're changing the argument so you can win, that's beneath you Harold. 

harold
harold

You are comparing partial seasons to full seasons.  You tell me what is indicative of a player's potential.

Smith first 3 seasons as a full-time starter

He was 57.8%   48/TD's/38 INT's

Again even at this point he only had one more career start 54 to 53 than Sanchez had but was already better and if we compare their 4th seasons it just gets worst.

Again starts are more important than years in the league.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  Stop. 


435/800 (54.4%), 18/31 TD/INT ratio, 4679 yards. 


782/1414 (55.3%), 55/51 TD/INT ratio, 9209 yards. 


Please tell me which one is better. 

harold
harold

No he was not worst.  He was better.  Again his one season as a full-time starter he completed 58.1% of his passes higher than any of Sanchez's career.  IMO he was better.  Again I go by starts you are comparing someone with 32 starts to someone who by the end of his third year had 53 starts including playoffs.

I understand your points just don't think they have as much merit as you and Brendan seem to think.

harold
harold

I am showing that Smith in full time action was better than Sanchez.  You have to go by number of starts not years. 

Smith by his 63rd start was much better than Sanchez.  Not sure what you are missing

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  Mark's Y3 QB rating was 78.2. 


And you're comparing post-benching Smith, that's not what we're talking about. 

kniff
kniff

@a57se @levi  Don't know if you saw my Mettenberger preference above...Do you still support the pick??

levi
levi

@a57se  I think Martys opinion might carry some weight too.

kniff
kniff

@a57se @kniff  True, and whats really in it for Idzik?? Again, its a risk/reward assessment from a new GM that wants his stock to go up...

Letting Mark go might just be good business. (for us and Idzik)

kniff
kniff

@a57se  57, I like Rex, and think he's good for us somehow... call it culture for lack of a better word, so I don't want to see a failure.

I'm also going with my gut feelings, cause every time I've gone against my gut in life I've regretted it...

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @a57se  "How do you differentiate between "rookie Mistakes" or 'Growing Pains' and just not being very good?"


Growing Pains is the one with Kirk Cameron.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se It's hard to. That's why you don't really know until Year 2 or Year 3. If they're still making the same mistakes, it's obvious they weren't rookie issues, and just bad player issues. Every rookie QB makes mistakes in terms of reading defenses, pocket presence, etc., so the "rookie mistake" carries some weight. 


It's not an excuse, and you need to see improvement in-season (like Geno showed), but it's fair given the history of QB's we have to go on. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se That is unclear from the way you phrased your comment. You make it seem like "rookie mistakes" or "growing pains" aren't a legitimate thing.