Film Room: Pace reflects on 2013 season

From the Jets official site, Calvin Pace talks to Eric Allen about the 2013 season, his colleagues in the front seven, Geno Smith’s development and his plans for the offseason.

Pace, who had a career high 10 sacks in 2013 is an unrestricted free agent for 2014. He played just under 80% of the snaps on defense in 2013.




126 comments
Tyrone Garcia
Tyrone Garcia

I think with the right moves and no setbacks we can win the division and a bye. 12-4  One stupid catch in the first Pats -jets game we sweep the pats win 9 games and are in the playoffs. we lost 13-10 and spotted the pats 7 with a pic 7 so no mistakes we win 10-6 


Tyrone Garcia
Tyrone Garcia

ya gotta bring him back 10 sacks and he is a hungry veteran looking to be in the playoffs plus he might not be the same player under another DC IMO I think the defense just needs a little tweet  and its set.. If we can bump up the offense we have a chance.

Bent
Bent moderator

I wouldn't mind him coming back, but I've got a feeling he won't.

SackDance99
SackDance99

I'm indifferent.  A true sack artist could've had 15 sacks or more in Pace's reps.  That being said, Pace sets the edge well, is a sure tackler and a calming veteran presence.  I'd bring him back unless the Jets upgrade in the draft.  Also, if Barnes is healthy, I think we'd see a lot less of Pace in passing situations and he has to accept this role.  A veteran who will have many fewer reps shouldn't command a big salary.  Can Pace accept that coming off of a career year in sacks?

Bent
Bent moderator

@jake100 TJB reported this "news" four days ago.  The media ignores us once again.

a57se
a57se

@jake100 

Why would we pay a bum who will never amount to anything 450K? 

Heck, I should be paid that much!

harvlis
harvlis

@Bent I think Pace realizes that he won't find many D-lines, like this one, to work off of.  But, money rules.  I want Pace, unless the Jets go after one of the top named pass rushers.   

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Someone will offer him more money, and he should take it. It's going to be his last payday opportunity. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent 

So is your feeling that the Jets are not interested or Pace will choose somewhere else for a few more dollars?

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 

A true sack artist wouldn't set the edge and play the run anywhere near as well as Pace does........but they would get paid a lot more!

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 What are these ranks based on Joseph? Becuase they're not even close to being accurate. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan@BentPace may just want to end his career with the Jets.  It all depends upon what the Jets are willing to offer and what Pace is willing to take.  I still don't think he'll command all that much over the vet minimum.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent He'll get a low offer from the Jets and will go elsewhere and end up taking a similarly low offer somewhere else.  Isn't that what always happens to the Jets?

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@SackDance99  I'm willing to bet that a sack artist on a Rex defense would set the edge and tackle well enough.  As for cost, sure a sack artist cost more because he's worth it.  This defense with a true weakside edge rushing terror would instantly improve the Jets' pass defense to top 10, if not top 5 status.  And, it would help the turnover ratio.  Such a player is a game changer and the Jets could use more of those on both sides of the field.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan@jake100Also, its impossible to just look at these stats in a vacuum.  The Jets are now on their 3rd OL coach in 3 years, started a rookie LG and QB and had a new feature RB in, overall, a new offensive system.  Thus, you would expect cohesion problems and growing pains.  If Geno improves as a QB, then defenses have to ease up on 8-9 men in the box and both the passing and rushing numbers will rise.  Comparing an OL that had 2 veteran OL with SB rings in Woody and Faneca and had been together for the whole 2008 season by the time 2009 rolled around just isn't fair or statistically valid.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @jake100 I think it's PFF run blocking and pass blocking cumulative individual rankings and therefore perhaps not the best guide of how good they are as a unit.

a57se
a57se

@jake100@a57se 

I know we had no offense last year but Simms isn't providing any, is he?

Neil Herschkowitz
Neil Herschkowitz

Upset Brendan..surely you jest. A long term Jet who is still productive, a leader, and a team player. Let's give guys like Simms,and Gerrard and Reed money for little or nothing, but cheap out on Pace who produceded 10 sacks.... Makes perfect sense.

Bent
Bent moderator

@SackDance99 @Brendan @jake100 So, a Jason Taylor deal?


He got 2 years, 13m or something like that, but ended up getting cut after one year having earned just a couple of million.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan@jake100I think their are creative contracts that basically offer around the vet minimum, but include bonuses to make the contract better from the player's perspective.  They could do something like that and I agree that having his cap impact be more than the vet minimum wouldn't be in the Jets' long term interest.

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 A veteran minimum deal for someone with Pace's tenure has salary cap benefits. Paying him $1 more than the minimum makes those benefits go bye-bye. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 I would be upset if they offered him more then the vet minimum, no need for that. 

Brendan
Brendan

@SackDance99 I don't think he's looking at a lot, but if he can get a guaranteed $2-$3 million I don't think he passes that up. 


But if the cost comparison includes relocating his family, stuff like that? I could see him staying put. He likes Rex, he's made a lot of money with the team, but as they like to say: "it's a business." 


A minimum deal to stay with the Jets would be great, but I won't be surprised if he goes elsewhere for a little more money. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@SackDance99 @Bent @Brendan Barnes was mostly on the right side with Coples on the left when they were in the game together.  Coples mostly played the right side the rest of the time.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@a57se @bradysucks 


You were right about Geno (for the most part) We still don't know if he'll develop into a QB who isn't a turnover machine like Sanchez....As of now though Geno is a turnover machine.....which means he sucks.....because turnovers suck


I think you're right that the Jets should draft another QB to compete with Geno.....


I don't exactly think Brendan has disappeared......I am sure you two aren't done (lol)....aka War Without End

a57se
a57se

@bradysucks

i don't have any problems giving people credit when it is due.......

a57se
a57se

@bradysucks@Bent 

Notice how Brendan shuts up and disappears when he is wrong instead of manning up and apologizing.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99@a57se 

Like I said, we lost BT and Pace through cuts and hadn't replaced them before the draft. That is when I was voicing my biggest concerns about setting the edge and I was pushing for the jets to resign Pace. Coples had nothing to do with that.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@SackDance99 @a57se 


I was a bit concerned about Coples also......


A lot of people were......


But being concerned about the Jets defense after 4 years of Rex seems like the last thing any of us should be concerned about at this point. Rex clearly knows how to build a defense and I have such confidence in him.....


As for offense....not so much

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57seSetting the edge is usually more of a concern for the weakside OLB or Coples because the SS isn't there covering the TE.  I'm not weighing in on this, but if Coples was your concern, your concerns were misplaced.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Bent 


I'm just being sarcastic......He seems to be kissing your bum today.....


These showndowns between 57 and Brendan NEVER lose their entertainment value...

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks @a57se @Bent That's a fair observation by 57.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @SackDance99 Coples immediate impact there was underestimated.  As we know, Wilkerson's production picked up as soon as he returned to the lineup, but so did Barnes' production.


Barnes had one sack and no QB hits in the first two games, then Coples returned and he had one sack and four QB hits in the next 2.5 before getting injured.  PFF rating was -2.8 with no Coples and +2.1 with him in there.


Similarly, Mo had just one sack and one pressure in the first two games and a -4.2 PFF rating.  When Coples returned, his production and grades skyrocketed.

a57se
a57se

@Bent@a57se 

No, but you noticed it and it isn't something that is that obvious from the game tape nor is it intuitive!


Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  "The Giants preseason game the Jets struggled setting the edge and the remedy you suggested was that the ILB's would set the edge and then you showed that that is what they did to compensate."


You're giving me too much credit here.  This was something I saw them do a few times and pointed it out and then they continued to do it at times throughout the season.


You make it sound like it was my idea!

Brendan
Brendan

@SackDance99 Barnes tore his ACL in Week 5, Coples came back and gimped around starting in Week 3, but really wasn't full strength until around the Saints game (judging by his play/burst). 


So, you basically never had both of them healthy and playing together...so upsetting. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent@a57se@Brendan 

The Giants preseason game the Jets struggled setting the edge and the remedy you suggested was that the ILB's would set the edge and then you showed that that is what they did to compensate.

I was very pleased and pushed for the jets to resign Pace against a lot of opposition on this Blog because people thought Pace was done. 

Coples did have his struggles setting the edge but it wasn't a major issue especially with how strong the rest of the defensive front was. I understood the rationale of drafting richardson a lot faster than most fans did and even pointed out that Rex had worked Coples as a LB at his Pro Day in support of the idea of Coples standing up more. Most of my concerns about setting the edge were made BEFORE the Draft because we lost both BT and Pace.

Coples was not going to play the strong side and Barnes, mcIntyre and company were not giving me any confidence on that side of the D.

in Typical brendan style you confuse my legitimate concerns about one side of the defense with the other folks who swore up and down that Coples couldn't play OLB.........

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent@a57se@BrendanBarnes played so little that I can't remember how he was playing the edge?  Barnes and Q never got to pass rush together last year at full strength...I have to believe that cost the Jets a win or 2.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Bent @a57se @Brendan 


I find it so funny when anybody doubts any aspect of a Rex Ryan defense on a team that can't score points. This is kind of like dating a hot model and being worried about her looks instead of her brains :0)


Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Brendan All I recall is that a57se was extremely concerned that the Jets would not be able to set the edge so he was pleased when they got Pace.  However, in preseason he was still concerned especially after that Giants game where they had a long touchdown, but I tried to talk him off the ledge and convinced him that they'd be solid against the run, which of course they were.


Lots of people had their doubts about Q.  Can't recall if a57se was one of not, but hopefully most of them listened to me, because I was pretty confident I was on top of that situation from the start.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You're not answering my question directly, which is not a good start for you. 


You said that you could not see Coples setting the edge this year, no? You thought he wouldn't play at a level consummate with a starter and thought he couldn't be a 3 down player. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

i know exactly what I said about Coples.......and Bent could easily verify it.

You and your tortured memory have done this crap before and then you have semi-apologized to me after you have been proven wrong. 

I've even said that it is easy to do on this Blog with so many different opinions floating around it is easy to confuse who said what. it is a habit with you when it comes to my statements.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se What I said is 100% accurate, I'd love to hear how you remember it, though. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

As usual Brendan completely mischaracterizes what I said....... 

You should just leave me out of your conversations altogether.

Brendan
Brendan

@SackDance99 Remember that 57 didn't like Coples as a starter entering this year because he didn't expect him to be able to set the edge. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent@SackDance99@Brendan 

Yes it is......how many games were we ripping our hair out watching Sanchez and looking for any ray of hope we could find.

Bent
Bent moderator

@SackDance99 @Brendan  "a Mark Rypien-style competent game manager probably takes the Jets to the Super Bowl"


That's just depressing.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan@SackDance99Yeah, a Mark Rypien-style competent game manager probably takes the Jets to the Super Bowl.  Rypien, to his credit, did throw a nice deep ball, which was what he needed to do when stopping the run was the defense's no. 1 worry against the 'Skins. 

Brendan
Brendan

@SackDance99 Exactly. 


And if you put a line like the Hogs (or to a lesser extent the Jets' '09 OL), you have to have a QB capable of maximizing that OL's value. The '09 Jets had a rookie Sanchez, if they had a veteran game manager-type? Who knows.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan@BentI think the quality of QB really makes the difference.  Good QBs make quick decisions, know how to extend plays and, generally, learn to deal with OL weakness.  Peyton spent all those years with a pretty crappy OL in Indy, except for his All Pro center, Jeff Saturday.  That was all he needed.  Conversely, Mark Rypien has an SB ring because the Hogs were unbelievably dominant.  Its just that putting together an OL, like the Hogs, doesn't happen very often.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Giants did it twice, Aaron Rodgers did it, Baltimore's OL wasn't good last year. 


Boiling it down to OL play is oversimplifying a very complex equation. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@jake100 @SackDance99 @Brendan It's not though.  The Giants won a Super Bowl with the worst offensive line in the league a few years ago, so not having an above average line is unquestionably NOT a "must" and is in fact something that you can overcome and be successful.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@jake100@SackDance99@BrendanProblem with depth is that you don't know whether it's good until you need to play back ups.  Ijalana, Campbell and Aboushi are all mysteries and Schlauderoff has barely played.  Idzik drafted 3 OL last year and if they don't pan out, then he severely miscalculated.  I can't make that call yet until I see Campbell and Aboushi in action (I have to admit, I didn't think they were all that good at Cortland.  Aboushi looked better, but I heard Campbell came on later).

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 You don't see an issue with using it as a standard to compare all other lines to, then? It's literally the best-case scenario for an OL. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se@SackDance99@Brendan@jake100Yes, he did and needs competition in camp.  But, I'll say this, I don't think Winters' football IQ and technique are all that bad.  It's his strength that's really lacking.  Can he improve his strength a lot and refine his technique?  He went from a lesser college program where he played OT to one of the hardest OL positions in the NFL: LG.  He sucked, but battled all year and did improve.


So, the Jets should hedge their bets on him, but not cut him.  Heck, David DeCastro didn't look all that great his rookie season and, then, played great for the Steelers.  Let's see what he can do and put him on a tight leash.

Brendan
Brendan

@SackDance99 Acting like the 2009 OL is some kind of norm or even sustainable is just misleading. That was a perfect storm where the team got lucky with cresting All-Pro talent (Mangold/Brick) and still-elite (or close to it) veteran players elsewhere. 


That's is, quite literally, the perfect OL storm. You will never find a better OL situation for a team, and if you find a team with that same level of OL talent & depth, they're not holding it together long-term. The issue with the Jets was that they didn't have depth behind their starters to help limit the drop-off when they had to start replacing the old guys. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent They just did their OL team rankings.  Jets in 25th.