Four names to watch at the right guard spot

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

With the news this week that Willie Colon will be out indefinitely because of his knee injury and scoping, what happens to the right guard spot if the recovery from Colon’s knee scoping takes a while?  Here’s four names to consider:

Oday Aboushi — Now in his second year with the team, the Jets 2013 fifth rounder replaced Colon during the two days of OTAs.  While Aboushi did play backup tackle for the Jets in 2013 he was inactive for all 16 games.  While he might be best suited for a tackle role, he has the skill-set to work in a Mornhinweg blocking scheme and might need some time adjusting to the guard spot.  Since he was the first one they put in, he might have the best chance at winning a job.

Ben Ijalana — Ijalana was a second round pick for the Colts in 2011 and seemed like a potential conversion to guard when he came out of school due to his height and arm length.  Ijalana is known for having athleticism and quick feet, but issues in getting to the second level as a blocker.  The Colts cut Ijalana loose after two ACL tears; one in 2011 and another in 2012.

Dakota Dozier — It might be that the darkhorse in this competition will be rookie Dakota Dozier.  Dozier has a lot to learn and coming from a small school like Furman, but he is regarded as a gritty road grading player who needs some work on his pass proection.  As a rookie it will be hard for Dozier to win, but he might be part of this team’s long-term plans at guard.

Brian Winters — Winters is already playing left guard for the Jets and did a lot of on-the-job learning in 2013.  The one saving grace for Winters was that he had the luxury of playing between D’Brickashaw Ferguson and Nick Mangold and seemed to be improving at the end of the season.  In some ways playing between Brick & Nick is the safest spot on the line; so would the Jets consider moving the man who was thrown into the fire in 2013 in what might be the tougher of the two spots with new arrival Breno Giacomini at the right tackle spot?




66 comments
David Aron
David Aron

please remind me again why i was ridiculed for suggesting we make a play for C Alex Mack?
david from haifa

SackDance99
SackDance99

How about our conversion project, Campbell? Is he in the mix?

Logan
Logan

Ferguson & Mangold...some picks they were, huh?

harold
harold

Colon is scheduled to be ready well before training camp.  He was already doing upper body work since April.  So not sure why we have the opening statement about not knowing when Colon is expected back.

Marty Luc
Marty Luc

even with the league-wide change to passing over running, football is still won in the trenches. idzik has done an excellent job of putting together one of the best d-lines in the game. 


but our o-line still has question marks. decker, johnson, and draft picks are all helpful but their potential impact will be diminished if our guard positions are not addressed. 


scan the waiver wire during camp and bring in a veteran to hold it down until we can draft or sign an immediate starter in 2015

bob
bob

Mike Lupati guard for the 49ers is a free agent next year..Lupati is a beast!

Rodney Vator
Rodney Vator

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williamg1
williamg1

"so would the Jets consider moving the man who was thrown into the fire in 2013 in what might be the tougher of the two spots with new arrival Breno Giacomini at the right tackle spot?"


I wouldn't mind. Being we have a new RT, having a RG who knows the system inside out could be helpful. 

jimjets
jimjets

Would my head get chopped off game of thrones style if I even suggested incognito is still a FA? And has anyone considered Terrell Thomas the giants cb last year is also still out there? I'm actually serious about him. He's a vet coming off a very good year

a57se
a57se

@David Aron 

That is like having Peyton Manning for your QB and making a play for Tom Brady........

Bent
Bent moderator

@SackDance99 Difficult to assess where he stands because he just had arm surgery.  Could well be.  Dalton Freeman was playing G with the second unit, so he might be one to watch too.  And Caleb, of course!

marcus81
marcus81

@Logan  every GM has a few gems in one of their draft no matter how bad of a GM they are, Ozzy is probably the best talent evaluator

williamg1
williamg1

@harold I'm not worried about getting Colon back in time. I'm worried about keeping him back in the lineup over 16 games. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

Iupati. Yup, he'd be lovely. SF is probably backing up the truck for him, though.

williamg1
williamg1

@Brendan One of the most beautiful plays I've ever seen. All of the lineman were great, but Colon's play was just ridiculous. 

Joe/Orlando
Joe/Orlando

I'm not sure I'd argue for bringing him in...but if we did, I think the outstanding leadership we have on the OL (and the team in general) would prevent him from being a problem.

Brendan
Brendan

@jimjets Let me phrase it like this: 



Hank would finally root for the Jets, so....no, I would not like Incognito here, ever. 

williamg1
williamg1

@jimjets Incognito aint happening. No use bringing in that public relations nightmare. 

jmactheman
jmactheman

@jimjets I don't think we have enough former team captains on the roster to keep Incognito in line.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@jimjets

Would my head get chopped off game of thrones style if I even suggested incognito is still a FA? 


Probably.  I'm fine waiting for Colon to get healthy before we go down the Incognito line.  And If Colon has a setback, I'd rather try to convince Travelle Wharton to un-semi-retire before giving money to Incognito.  Ditto Garrett Reynolds.


And has anyone considered Terrell Thomas the giants cb last year is also still out there? I'm actually serious about him. He's a vet coming off a very good year.


We're pretty loaded at CB, though.  Three surefire starters (Milliner, Patterson, Wilson) + two quality rookies (McDougle, Dixon) + one special teams ace (Lankster) + two very high quality backups (Walls, Dowling)... if we sign Terrell Thomas, he's probably only the 9th best CB on roster, fighting for time with Johnny Patrick and Jeremy Reeves.  


I mean, if he's cheap, sure, no harm no foul.  I doubt he makes the roster, though.

David Aron
David Aron

@a57se @David Aron 

that's just a poor analogy in more ways than one.

a better analogy might be like signing WR Keyshawn (give me the damn ball) Johnson when you have WR Owens on the roster.
(neither mack nor mangold are divas, just saying that there wouldnt be enough balls to go around to satisfy them both)

you could say that both mack and mangold are veteran OL. while both excellent C, either would make an undersized G and/or short-armed T.
you could say that paying for mack to be a non-center would be over-paying for the position.
you could say that neither mack nor mangold would be interested or happy playing any position other than C.

with all that said and in light of the resurgence of the G&P, i hope we never have to find out this season what would be the worth of having pro-bowl caliber depth at C and along the OL.

SackDance99
SackDance99

Then, a trade up for Clemens in the 2nd round, over MJD, and Schlegel in the 3rd, over dozens of better players. 2006 was a very deep draft and besides the 1st round, Mangini blew the rest of the draft.

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 The way they've structured their cap, I think they plan to extend him, then Kaep, then Aldon Smith (although that last one may have changed...)


Davis and Crabtree (and to a lesser extent Boone) I'm less certain about, but they could in theory bring them all back.  They'll be a contender for a while...

Bent
Bent moderator

@Joe/Orlando He's not good enough to warrant taking that chance.

Marty Luc
Marty Luc

The jets have a lot of choices, a lot of bodies at cornerback, but I would not say that they are "loaded". To be loaded means they have quantity AND quality. The jets were loaded when their cornerbacks were named Revis, cromartie and Wilson.

I would not put the current group in that classification yet.

bob
bob

@tsjc68 @jimjets 


If we cant get what we need. Incognito all ways there I guess. Its not a crazy idea at all. The guy did seek out help. People can change.


Or going forward chuck Dozier and let him take his lumps. at the very least

Dozier will I believe be a good one  once he learns. maybe the best way to get it done is let these rookies play ready or not.


I also would like to say who ever it is who commence it well I'm against it.



Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 I got Thomas to yell at me on Twitter once. 



That's it, that's all I've got to add. 

williamg1
williamg1

@tsjc68 @jimjets I'd also argue that Walls and Lankster are starter quality players. And, if Dowling can stay healthy, also (possibly) starter-quality. 

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 

OK, Who does the drafting?

Is it the GM or the friggin coach?

I can't keep it straight anymore....every day someone is arguing that one or the other either blew a draft or made great picks..........

This post is meant for everyone on the Blog, not just you SD......


a57se
a57se

@williamg1 @bob 

Ruff! Ruff!
Ahhhhhhh-Wooooooooo!

Ruff! Ruff!

tsjc68
tsjc68

That.

Incognito is a "decent but not great" veteran guard, and if we need one of those, just sign Wharton or Reynolds.

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 Good point, he'd still find a way to link to Mangini and bash Rex over it. 

HarthorneWingoStarr
HarthorneWingoStarr

@Marty Luc Sadly I agree with you. A lot of "ifs" (but if a few "ifs" work out then our defensive backfield could be solid this year).

Bent
Bent moderator

@Marty Luc Nor would I but I see where 68 is coming from because TT provides them with more quantity than quality.  I mean, he's okay, but not doesn't really do much to upgrade the group, just adds another guy at about the same level.  I don't know if I'd put him in 9th, but I'd agree that he might not make the roster and if he does he'd be squeezing out a guy at pretty much the same level.


Would you go along with that?


No thanks to Incognito under any circumstances.

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@bob @tsjc68 @jimjets Wouldn't be a bad idea, I would sign him for 1 year, see how he plays and carries himself this year, then based off of that, give him an extension.

williamg1
williamg1

@bob @tsjc68 @jimjets There is value with playing rookies. But, I think you can also hurt a player's development by playing them too early (if they're clearly not ready). 

I just worry that playing another rookie G will screwup the entire offense. 

bob
bob

@Brendan @tsjc68 


For a third round pic  Thomas plays like a 1st rounder I know he surprised me.. Then the injuries  I say awe shucks.

Marty Luc
Marty Luc

Bent, I agree. If TT is the same as what we have them what's the point of bringing him in?

Brendan
Brendan

@bob Yeah, he's always hurt. The Jets already have an always-hurt talented CB (Dowling), no need to bring in another one. 

bob
bob

@Brendan @bob 


Never a good Idea when drafting a player that surprises the commentators just saying.  Lets hope for the best.

bob
bob

@Brendan @bob 


Brendan we are going to be really good team this year. Again where gonna exceed expectations..

williamg1
williamg1

@Brendan @bob Dowling is really intriguing. My Pats fans friends swore he was going to be a stud. 

Marty Luc
Marty Luc

@bob @Brendan i can recall many occasions when the "expert" commentators are wrong with their predictions. 


remember what mcshay said about sheldon richardson last year?


"The Sheldon Richardson pick is a real head-scratcher. It's a complete non-scheme fit & Jets have so many other needs"


how did that turn out? 

Brendan
Brendan

@bob Just limit turnovers. Rex's defense will be flying all over the field, Geno (or Vick) just have to limit their risks and let the team win the game. And when they take a risk, take it downfield where the damage is minimized. 

williamg1
williamg1

@bob @Brendan If our O-line plays better than average, we will be extremely hard to beat. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

I liked him coming out of UVA.

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 He's apparently looked good out there making some athletic plays on throws. If he can stay healthy, he might be an interesting piece for Rex. 

High$ocietyJet
High$ocietyJet

@brendan I know it might sound crazy but I think between the pass rush, the way Milliner finished the season and addition of Patterson the Jets will finish Top 5 in INTs