Gamethread: New York Jets vs. Cleveland Browns 12.22.13

Tight end Zach Sudfeld and head coach Rex Ryan watch as a play unfolds during last Sunday's defeat at the hands of the Carolina Panthers.

Tight end Zach Sudfeld and head coach Rex Ryan watch as a play unfolds during last Sunday’s defeat against the Carolina Panthers.

Who: New York Jets vs. Cleveland Browns
When: 1:00 p.m. EST
Where: MetLife Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ
Media: TV – CBS, DirecTV – 708, Radio – ESPN N.Y. 98.7 FM, Sirius – 128, Sirius XM – XM 232, Internet AudioAudio Pass.
Their Previous Meeting: The last time these two teams met, was back in 2010 when Peyton Hillis was on his way to becoming the Madden cover man, Josh Cribbs, Chansi Stuckey, Kenyon Coleman, Brian Schaefering, Mohamed Massaquoi, Eric Barton, David Bowens, Jason Trusnik, Abram Elam, Ray Ventrone, Reggie Hodges, Eric Mangini and Rob Ryan were Browns and Colt McCoy was still relevant. Starting at their own 14, the Browns drove down the field on their first drive but the Jets defense limited the damage forcing a 34 yard Phil Dawson field goal. The Jets answered with Folk hitting a 27 yarder the following drive. New York had a chance to increase their lead after David Harris recovered a Hillis fumble but the Browns forced a three and out and scored on their next possession with Hillis trotting in the end zone from 12 yards out. The Jets were quick to answer in the second quarter as Sanchez hit Jerricho Cotchery down the middle for a 25 yard score. The volley between both teams continued as the Browns mustered a 23 yard Dawson field goal the next drive after the defense stopped the Browns at their 3 yard line after getting burned by Cribbs on a 37 yard pass. Starting at their own 20, the Jets marched themselves down field, with the help of a timely defensive pass interference penalty, with Sanchez scrambling for a 1 yard score to take a four point lead at halftime. The Jets had one of their best time of possession drives of the Rex Ryan era to open the third quarter as the team drained 10:04 of clock. Unfortunately, they had nothing to show for it as a 24 yard Folk field goal surprisingly hit the right upright and was no good. The teams volleyed back and forth into the fourth quarter until the Jets drove down field once more but were held to a 25 yard Folk field goal that was undoubtedly good. With just under three minutes left, the Browns opened their drive at their own 41 after Joe Haden ran back the kickoff 32 yards. They proceeded to orchestrate an effective attack against the Jets’ defense that led to McCoy hitting Mohamed Massaquoi from three yards out to tie the contest and force overtime. The Jets received the ball first but came up empty however, the defense made sure to give them another chance as David Coleman forced Stuckey to fumble with the recovery made by Antonio Cromartie at the Jets’ 36. The Jets drove down to Cleveland’s 29 yard line where Folk set up for the 47 yard field goal try; Folk’s kick missed as it went wide right. The Jets defense forced a three and out, giving the offense another chance to end it but the drive stalled at their own 46 as Sanchez was picked off by Joe Haden but the Browns would have work to do as they set up at their own three yard line. The Browns tried to limit the damage but to no avail as McCoy threw incomplete on first down, Hillis was limited to two yards on second and McCoy was sacked on third. Hodges punted to New York’s 45 yard line with Jim Leonhard returning the kick 18 yards to set the team up at Cleveland’s 37 yard line. With 24 seconds left in overtime, Sanchez heaved up a pass into Santonio Holmes’ arms that he took to the house to secure the Jets’ 26-20 victory and place the 7-2 Jets atop the AFC East.

Injury Report

Jets: LB Quinton Coples (Shoulder–Probable), CB Antonio Cromartie (Hip–Probable), DT Kenrick Ellis (Back–Probable), WR Santonio Holmes (Foot/Hamstring–Probable), T Austin Howard (Knee–Probable), WR Jeremy Kerley (Elbow–Probable), CB Ellis Lankster (Jaw–Probable), LB Garrett McIntyre (Knee/Elbow–Probable), WR David Nelson (Ribs–Probable), S Ed Reed (Non-injury–Probable), DT Sheldon Richardson (Wrist/Finger–Probable), DL Muhammad Wilkerson (Wrist–Probable), and TE Kellen Winslow (Knee–Probable).

Browns: WR Davone Bess (Non-injury–Questionable), TE Jordan Cameron (Concussion–Out), LB Tank Carder (Shoulder–Probable), OL John Greco (Knee–Out), DB Joe Haden (Hip–Questionable), LB D’Qwell Jackson (Non-injury–Unknown), P Spencer Lanning (Left knee–Probable), LB Eric Martin (Illness–Probable), RB Willis McGahee (Concussion/Knee–Probable), DL Ahtyba Rubin (Calf–Probable), OL Mitchell Schwartz (Toe–Probable), TE Andre Smith (Calf–Out), OL Joe Thomas (Back–Probable), and DB T.J. Ward (Shoulder–Probable).

Inactives

Jets: QB David Garrard, CB Ellis Lankster, LB Jermaine Cunningham, G Will Campbell, T Ben Ijalana, T Oday Aboushi, and TE Chris Pantale.

Browns: QB Alex Tanney, T Martin Wallace, G John Greco, T Reid Fragel, TE Jordan Cameron, and TE Andre Smith.

Jets Game Captains: WR Santonio Holmes, C Nick Mangold, LB Garrett McIntyre, TE Jeff Cumberland, TE Kellen Winslow, and QB Vinny Testaverde (honorary).
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330 comments
frustjetfn
frustjetfn

Perspective: The Jets beat a weak, mistake-prone team that was in the Red Zone 4 times and could've had 4 TD's, so before we go to the Super Bowl next year we need lots of players who can contribute big-time. Since we all know the list of O and a few D players we could use I wont repeat them, but we must not hang onto broken down, spot role players and expect them to become the impact players they once were.


On the bright side, Geno used his legs today but should thank God and the Browns that they continuously got too confused to cover the middle of the field right in front of Geno. I'd be more impressed if he could maintain a certain level of play against a vet team like the Ravens or Steelers. Even though those teams are no longer great, they know how to sucker a QB into an easy Int and hold onto the ball once intercepted. Let's see how Geno competes vs Miami next week, but even if he avoids major mistakes I'm with the fans (and coaches) who say we should draft a QB.

psi1
psi1

Fans are so shortsighted...we played a good game and won today with a number of positives, so we must keep Rex. Never mind the fact that we have not won 2 games in a row dating back to 2011! Rex jumps up and down on the sideline and we MUST keep that type of 'passion'. He's a very good defensive coach who has had 5 years to develop a 'team' not just a defense and he has failed to do so.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Nice win today. I'd like to see Woody give Rex a 2 year extension. Rex is already signed through the end of 2014. I'd extend him through 2016 and bring in some talent at the wide receiver position and also at TE. I'd also add another RB to compliment Ivory (somebody with game breaking speed).  I think it would also be a good move to sign another QB (or draft one) to push Geno and possibly take his job.


The best organizations in the NFL don't keep firing their head coaches. Teams like the Redskins do this and haven't had success. Rex isn't the problem. The talent needs to be improved on offense

Kyle Ely
Kyle Ely

Great win we need to keep Rex and Geno use the cap to fix other holes

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

Good game today rookies all played well. Perspective: the Browns are 4-11 on a six game losing streak.

realjetfan
realjetfan

Got around to making an account and I'll just like to say...

Geno's our freaking guy. He finally gets consistent pass protection (what a concept!) and look what he's doing--even with a relatively weak supporting cast. Get him some targets at the draft or through FA and everyone will see what he can really do...

Brendan
Brendan

Damon Harrison@BigDame900 2m

Riding home with my windows down in traffic, thanking the jets fans who came out today and they can't believe I'm in traffic thanking them


Love this dude. 

psi1
psi1

Very very mature handling of his press conference by Geno today. Very good to see.

levi
levi

Bevell is calling a good game.

a57se
a57se

That was Geno's best game of the season, BY FAR.

MM has basically installed 3/4's of Geno's college offense for him and it paid dividends today against a pretty good Browns defense. I am not sure if is sustainable at the NFL level but I don't think MM views this as his long term vision for the Jets offense. You could see how visibly angry he was when Geno went under center and made a poor pass to Holmes on a three step drop and pop because his footwork was sloppy. 

Milliner looked like a first round NFL draft pick today playing a lot of snaps against Josh Gordon and looking pretty good in the process. He does have to work on his tackling, though as that has NOT been good.

Winters svcks but didn't have a terribly difficult assignment today.

Bohanon didn't do anything harmful that I recall!

Allen looked good out there and Ed Reed showed his value as a Free safety in Rex' defense.

levi
levi

Cut the cancer from this blog please.

jdb7
jdb7

@frustjetfn Perspective, Rex Ryan has "COACHED" the Jets to 7 wins so far on a team most analysts and pundits thought wouldn't win more than 4 games. The rookies are improving and Geno has played well the last three games.

Jeff E. Guy
Jeff E. Guy

@Brendan His still has a year on his contract but that's not good enough. REXTEND! 



levi
levi

@realjetfan  He played well but he still has a long ways to go. Lets see how he does next week.

realjetfan
realjetfan

@BrendanThis Jets team have plenty of positive personality and have a great future. More so that in 2009-2012. I loved it when RIchardson got in that Browns' player face after Geno flopped, even after Richardson got hurt earlier in the game.


Seems like a team that can really rally around each other and make a Super Bowl run in the near future.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se If we're talking draft picks, how about that 4th rounder! :)

Jeff E. Guy
Jeff E. Guy

@jake100 I assume you've never played competitive sports. There's no such thing as a meaningless win. If they keep score, you play to win. 


Furthermore Rex Ryan is the most successful coach we've had since Weeb Ewbank. You know how many Jets coaches have been over .500 after five years? One. Rex Ryan. You know how many Jets coaches have been to two AFC Championship games? One. Rex Ryan. As someone mentioned below, you are indeed clueless. 

a57se
a57se

@jake100 

Shut the Fvck Up Joseph! No one buys your routine, no one wants to hear your schtick.

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@jake100 

I think every reasonable fan knew this year was about developing young talent, getting experience for a rookie QB, and showing the world that the team can stand together, even when things aren't going their way.  On all counts, it was a success.  The playoffs were the pony that everyone wanted for Christmas, but get real.  This team is young and needs time to develop.  Woody knows this and there's no way he gets rid of the guy whose orchestrated a solid team.

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 Stop. 


You're not even in the post-game thread before you start this nonsense. I hope they ban you again, the repetitiveness of your entire act, down to the name-changing, is so obnoxious. Different year, identical comments. 

levi
levi

@jake100 dont you get sick of repeating yourself and being told to shut up?

a57se
a57se

@Brendan@a57se 

Ivory ran hard and made some big plays, I still don't think he was worth a 4th round pick nor do I think he is a good fit for MM's offense because his ball skills are poor. He is fun to watch as he runs with abandon.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan@a57se 

and the Celtics made the right choice taking Len Bias.

You have argued that taking Gholston wasn't a reach or a bad choice by Tanny.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan@a57se 

The original deal is what it is. We can't change it and we can't change how we felt about it at the time. I still believe Geno was a lousy pick in the 2nd round as well. Him playing well won't change that. I still believe picking Gholston was the right move despite how bad he ended up being.  I won't kill Tanny for that. Not every pick works out and some work out better then expected. 

Ivory is a better fit for what the offense looks like right now then he was for the offense MM has coached the last ten years. None of us knew our offense would look like it does right now. I think we all expected something a lot closer to what we saw in Philly. MM never really had that bruiser who could get the tough yardage when he was in Philly and that would have been Ivory's role with Goodson and Powell getting reps on the rest of the downs because they could catch the ball out of the backfield and run better to the outside (though Ivory has surprised with his ability to the outside).

Let's put this to rest, to me, Ivory was NOT WORTH a 4th rounder WHEN WE MADE the TRADE!


Brendan
Brendan

@a57se "As far as I know." 


Good thing you're basing this entire thing off of hypotheticals that you will never be able to confirm. You don't know that the Saints were going to cut him and the guy is worth a 4th rounder. But you'll never admit that even if he rushes for 3,000 yards in his 3 seasons here (assuming he plays out his current deal). 

Bernard Mclaughlin
Bernard Mclaughlin

@juunit@NYCPEinGermany@a57se@Brendan Are you kidding? RB, with Ivory, Powell and the potential return of Goodson is the one area that we should be set for a few years barring injury. Ivory once healthy is running at a 1300 yd pace, Powell showed he can catch the ball and break them  and if Goodson returns we have  a burner.   They are doing it this year with teams stacking the box . if our receivers get better and  our QB improves ivory will average over 5 yds per carry. Don't take another RB until deep in the draft,  our Offense needs another pass catching TE much more than an RB, a WR and a guard  more than a RB and a QB more than an RB.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @NYCPEinGermany @Brendan Which player would you have selected with that 4th round pick that would have contributed more than Chris Ivory ?

It's hard to find guys in the 4th round that can carry the load.

a57se
a57se

@NYCPEinGermany@a57se@Brendan 

I would not of traded for him for more then a 5th round pick. The Saints were gonna cut him or trade him and as far as I know, they bid against themselves.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You know this is absolutely insane, right? 


By your logic, the Blazers made the right choice taking Sam Bowie. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se "I've made my opinion clear and I don't care what type of performance or numbers Ivory puts up from now until his career ends.  I will never believe the Jets made a good deal by trading a 4th round pick for him. "


You don't think it's outrageous to never change an opinion on something no matter what? If Ivory rushes for another 100 yard game next week and gets over 900 yards in 14 games, that's not a good season? If he rushes for over 1,000 yards next year, still no change in your opinion? That's not backtracking, you're allowed to change your opinion if things become available now that weren't available at the time you formed your opinion. 


You acknowledge things change, but you still refuse to say he's worth a 4th rounder? 

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@a57se @NYCPEinGermany @Brendan Naturally, and you're entitled to yours. But why do you think they could've gotten him for a lower pick? Or u just mean you wouldn't have done it for more than that?

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@a57se @NYCPEinGermany @Brendan couldn't disagree more on how you judge a deal. It's all in the results, not the perception at the time. 


Could they have gotten him for a 5th or 6th? Is this conjecture or you have inside knowledge?

a57se
a57se

@NYCPEinGermany@a57se@Brendan 

A deal should be judged on the conditions and knowledge that was available AT THE TIME of the trade.

Not on the results. 

If you want to say in retrospect it turned out well for the Jets, that is fine but the deal itself was not a good one. I believe the Jets could have gotten Ivory for a 5th or maybe even a 6th round pick. Idzik just pulled the trigger too fast.

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@a57se @Brendan This reply reads very strange to me. So no matter how great Ivory ends up becoming (not saying he will, but he could) you would never think it was a good deal?


Isn't that like saying no matter how bad Ryan Leaf was, he was still a good choice by the chargers, because I agreed with it at the time?

a57se
a57se

@NYCPEinGermany@juunit 

Ivory had a more extensive injury history, was the 4th RB on the Saints because he didn't catch the ball well nor was he good in pass pro.

juunit
juunit

@NYCPEinGermany@juunit 

Yeah, same knock as Ivory. I mean, it happens with RBs, but IMO it's not a good idea to rely on a bunch of injury prone guys with no backup. Pretty much guaranteed to bite you at some point.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

Why do you insist on bringing this up ALL the time? 

I've made my opinion clear and I don't care what type of performance or numbers Ivory puts up from now until his career ends.  I will never believe the Jets made a good deal by trading a 4th round pick for him. 

When it was rumored that we were interested, I said he was NOT worth a 4th rounder and I am not going to backtrack on that. I believe that was a reasonable position based on Ivory's history with the Saints, the Saints roster and how many RB's they had on it and the Jets incoming Offensive coordinator and the type of offense he wanted to run that Ivory was not a good fit for.

Circumstances have changed drastically since then and Ivory has become more valuable to the Jets and I can understand your delight in the Jets having him on the roster. I like him too.

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@juunit didn't he played in so few games. Wasn't that the knock on Ivory as well?


If there's a good FA cb and/or safety I'm all for snatching them up.

juunit
juunit

@NYCPEinGermany@juunit@a57se@Brendan  

It's not exactly encouraging. 42 games in 6 seasons, and it's not like he was a feature back. 

IMO, FA is the route to go for any CBs because drafting them usually takes a year or two before they start playing well.

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@juunit @NYCPEinGermany @a57se @Brendan I don't think he sees a day in prison. Injuries, I dunno, he looked pretty damn explosive before he got hurt.

Was he oft-injured before he got here?


I would prioritize CB and safety over RB as well.

juunit
juunit

@NYCPEinGermany@juunit@a57se@Brendan 

His injury, the fact that he's never really been able to stay on the field, plus he's kind of facing multiple years in prison at the moment. 

It's not like we're gonna move on from Winters, so unless Colon doesn't come back we won't be adding OL except for backups. All that leaves on offense is WR, TE and RB. I think it's definitely worth the pick if the right guy is available. 

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@juunit @NYCPEinGermany @a57se @Brendan Why can't you count on Goodson? Powell seems pretty decent as a pass catcher as well. I see those 3 as a decent (potentially better than decent) 3-headed monster.

We've got other things to worry about. Not saying we shouldn't take a flyer on a RB in the 6th or 7th round but there's is lots I'm more concerned about than that position.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Oh come on, seriously? The guy is probably going to be top-10 in ypc after today's performance and has really picked up the offense to the point Marty throws him in there on 3rd downs now. 

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@a57se @Brendan I think a 4th for Ivory was well worth it. I am not seeing RB as an area of need (considering all our other needs) going into next year assuming that Goodson can come back from his injury.