Watch: Geno Smith 1-on-1

Jeane Coakley caught up with Geno Smith for a 1-on-1 yesterday (at a charity bowling event) – they talk about his offseason preparation, working with Michael Vick, having Tajh Boyd in the QB room, the QB competition, and his bowling skills.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

Geno is the assumptive season starter, but nothing will be given to him with Vick over his shoulder.

One of the Jets biggest problems in 2013 was their lack of solid depth at the quarterback position. While it was good to get Geno 16 games worth of experience and see the growth, the team is much better off than they were a year ago. The Jets now have two viable starting options in Smith and Vick from which they can chose the best player along with a potential long-term backup in Tajh Boyd. Given time and correction to his game, Boyd looks like a player who in a year or two could become the team’s spot starter who can manage a game while igniting the occasional spark.





88 comments
Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

Ken O'brien called he said he's coming out of retirement he wants his number back.

Socram85
Socram85

People can argue about Geno's up and down season last year all they want. The REALITY is he had NO WEAPONS around him. His arsenal was even worse than anything Sanchez every had. 


I think it will become abundantly clear within the first few games what Geno is actually capable of with at least some weapons around him. Geno's new best friend should be CHRIS JOHNSON (amongst his other new friends Decker and Jace). 

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

Man what we need is for teams to broadcasts their practices or something, maybe even get cross city competition going or something and broadcasting it, I hate waiting until the end of July. lol, 

Cang
Cang

http://imgur.com/CDLVDJ6

http://imgur.com/IyI1994 



If you guys wanna take a gander, I did my best Bent impersonation and analyzed a play from the game in Pittsburgh in 2012 (which I think Bent also broke down) which I posted to the reddit sub. I think this was a play that may have turned the game (and season).

williamg1
williamg1

Starting to get excited about this guy a little:


""I feel like I've got power behind me, and I can turn my speed into power," said Enemkpali, learning to play outside linebacker in the Jets' base 3-4 defense. "If they over-set me, I feel like I have the ability to come inside. Low man wins in football. On the edge, if you don't give them a surface to hit, they really can't block. Those big O-linemen, they're not going to bend, so I've already got the advantage of being short. If you stay low, it's a win-win." 

Enemkpali's speed came into question at the scouting combine, where he ran a disappointing 5.01 seconds in the 40. As one opposing scout said, "It wasn't bad, it was awful." No doubt, it contributed to his fall to the sixth round. The same scout was stunned because Enemkpali never seemed slow on the field, rushing the quarterback. 

"He's not real fast, but, man, his play speed is good," the scout said. "He's got burst, he's got acceleration and his instincts are good enough.""


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/39248/jets-rookie-pass-rusher-sacks-his-past

Brendan
Brendan

We need some OTAs or something, asap. 

williamg1
williamg1

I will be excited if we can just get average play from the QB position. Is that too much to ask?

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

" Given time and correction to his game, Boyd looks like a player who in a year or two could become the team’s spot starter who can manage a game while igniting the occasional spark."


Brian...not trying to disparage Boyd, but what evidence do you have that Boyd can "manage a game" and " ignite the occasional spark" in the NFL. He may be great, a bust, or somewhere in-between. I wouldn't count on him any more that Simms, Mac, or any other 2nd/3rd string QB 

BDarc23
BDarc23

I'm not sure I agree that the Jets QB situation is any better than it was at this time last year. Geno was the worst starting QB in the league last year and Vick can't stay on the field.  The upside might be better but the depth to me is about the same.

Bent
Bent moderator

@MS  In 2009, Sanchez's 3-4-5 receivers at the start of the year were Brad Smith, Wallace Wright and David Clowney.  I don't think any of those three would have got reps at wide receiver with last year's Jets team.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan  That's gonna take me about a week to sort out.


How about a BGA to tide you over?

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@williamg1 I'm going to make an outrageous prediction: the jets will get top 20 production out of the QB position in 2014.

juunit
juunit

The same evidence as any rookie I guess.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@1969JAN12th  I don't think he's providing an evidentiary case, just saying that "if he has time and fixes some flaws he COULD" have success.

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@BDarc23  Geno wasn't the worst QB, common he didn't play any worse then Eli, and Eli is an established veteran with a superbowl ring, I love how people can make excuses for Eli, like he didn't have any help, his line sucked, yet they ignore all of the same stuff with Geno, and he had probably less help and the line was more disfunctional the Giants, yet he still had over 3000 yards got the Jets to a respectful 8-8 season, while everyone had us at 4-10, and he did this as a rookie.

marcus81
marcus81

@a57se @MS Campbell has played with better talent, Geno has good arm strength and throws a nice deep ball, he becomes erratic when receivers keep dropping the ball and the O line doesn't give 2 seconds at least, for the position he's in with almost no talent he's coming along, if he completely craps the bed and starts playing like Sanchez then I'll become discouraged

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent BGA's are always welcome. One of Edds/Zusevics? 

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@Disgruntled Jets Fan @williamg1  That's not outrageous at all, Whether you start Geno or Vick, In Geno's defense, last year people are whining about the picks, alot of those were passes thrown out of desperation, trying to make things happened, unlike Manuel, Manuel was very conservative.  Geno was put into tough situations, his secondary gave up alot of quick touchdowns, and it was all on Geno to make it a game again, with receivers not getting seperation and not catching balls.  This year things will be much better, the defense will average 10 pts. a game against them, my prediction and he will have more productive players at receivers and the run game will now be a big time threat which will open things up even more.  My prediction is the Jets QB will get production anywhere from 10th to 15th.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@Pablo Bruno @BDarc23  Eli? What does he have to do with this.  If you want to deny that Geno sucked last year go ahead but he had the lowest QBR and the lowest passer rating of any starter (including Eli).

BDarc23
BDarc23

@Disgruntled Jets Fan @BDarc23   Vick > Sanchez only if he can stay healthy. At this time last year Sanchez was extremely durable. We HOPE Geno is better but it's very far from a given.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  You dismiss it as "he got better at figuring out when to run," which is minimizing what he did 

jsadolph
jsadolph

@Brendan @jsadolph

I guess that Geno should have just kept chucking up jump balls and hope that some of our guys came down with it more often and he would have 5 picks a game, BUT HIS COMPLETION % WOULD BE AWSOME. ☺

Brendan
Brendan

@jsadolph Well...not "anyone"'s (wink, wink), but yeah, what you said. 

jsadolph
jsadolph

@a57se

His accuracy was the same at the end of the year as it was at the beggining of the year, but at the end of the year the decision making got better and the turnovers went away.

That in anyone's book is an improvement.  

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 Don't join the Strawman brigade, bdarc. 


No one is saying Geno wasn't poor overall. People are saying that his final four games were a legitimate step forward for the young QB, and something to build on. 57 is arguing that he didn't improve over those final four weeks. 

BDarc23
BDarc23

@tsjc68  Geno played poorly last year overall.  I can not believe any Jets fan can watch the games and actually deny that. Their was some perceived improvement the last 4 games which is offering some hope that Geno will be better this year. Geno did not light it up the last 4 games. He just managed to not crap the bed.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68  Not a mischaracterization, at all.


You, earlier today:


"Yes the Jets defense held down the Browns passing attack in the 15th game of the regular season. "


You're dismissing what the Jets did against the Browns simply because it happened in the second-to-last game of the regular season.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se No it isn't, and no he's not. 


You have never, ever, ever given Geno credit for improving the final four weeks of the season. Not once. 

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 57 did it less than 5 minutes ago, a few posts above this one. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@jsadolph  I wasn't actually disagreeing with your post, jsadolph.  I was mocking other posters who have used that line of thought to dismiss the clear improvement in play of our rookies down the stretch (Geno, Milliner, Winters, etc.) by claiming that those games shouldn't count as much because either those teams weren't good, weren't trying hard, or both.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  Stop boiling down "improvement at reading defenses" to completion percentage. You have been told many times over this is too narrow of a scope, it does not prove your point whatsoever. 

jsadolph
jsadolph

@tsjc68

Every team plays teams that are "mailing it in" at the end of every year.  And some of those teams lose, we didn't.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@jsadolph @Brendan @a57se  


"By the end of the season you could see the game slow down for him and he would process what he was seeing much faster and could make a calculated descision on whether to run or pass."


But haven't you heard?  None of that matters, because those four teams he played down the stretch were all mailing it in and weren't even trying to play well.

jsadolph
jsadolph

@Brendan @a57se

It's all part of getting the game to slow down for Geno.  He was feeling rush all the time for those first 10 games(whether he was or not) and it showed with some of his passes.  By the end of the season you could see the game slow down for him and he would process what he was seeing much faster and could make a calculated descision on whether to run or pass. 

In season 2 hopefully he will have healthier and better WRs that he can trust and he can build on the strides that he made at the end of last yr(broken record I know).

I think it would be hard to have worse QBing this year than last. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Let's not act like Pablo speaks for Jets fans as a whole and act like people describe Geno's struggles as completely no fault of his own on any consistent basis. 

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 I think it was a bit of both, to be honest. He certainly struggled at times to read the defense and identify traps vs. holes in the zone, but he also did suffer from trying to do more than the field presented him with. 


57 dismisses it as improving at reading defenses, but when he started just taking what the defense gave him and running more, it was exactly what the team needed. Keep the chains moving, eat up more clock, limit risky throws. As he improves and grows, so will his throws, but until he's at the level where he's the center of the offense, the way he played in the final month is exactly what the team needs. That Geno with the current team can win 10 games, I'm pretty sure. 

williamg1
williamg1

@Pablo Bruno @Disgruntled Jets Fan @williamg1  With Rex's defense, all the QB has to do is not turn the ball over. Its all he's ever asked. So, if Geno did, in fact, throw those picks in desperation, he isn't a good match for this team. 

With that having been said, I don't think Geno threw picks in desperation. He threw picks because he didn't read the defense. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Yes, because it wasn't me that supplied it we should ignore how stupid bobbyj's comment was. Nice add, 57, you're the best. 

Brendan
Brendan

@bobbyj  God, you are one grumpy old curmudgeon. You give 57 a run for his money. 


You want to re-open that discussion? Fine. Here is your comment to me from yesterday:


It doesn't make a difference, there are Supreme Ct rulings about lung-able areas w/in an auto, wether he owned the auto or not may not matter. One is often judged by the company one keeps


Your comment essentially says that the fact that the handgun was in a locked glove compartment may not matter, as well as whether he owned the car. That's true, in some states it does not matter. Unfortunately for you, in NJ it does matter. 


The car was not registered to Goodson, nor was he driving it. Ownership of the car and its contents is not on him. The glove box was locked, limited the access to it to people with the key. Spoiler alert: the only guy with access was the driver. 


As tsjc already pionted out, we do know the gun that was used (police reports exist). 


And for your last part of the above comment, the "company one keeps," the guy driving Goodson was engaged to his cousin, about to enter his family, and Goodson was incapacitated (likely getting driven home after a party, given the circumstances). 


I know you're leading the brigade of people who argue everything from an anti-Jets perspective, but you really need to grow up. I never say anything is absolute, I've just stated it's a flimsy case (that we do have most of the facts for). 



tsjc68
tsjc68

@bobbyj  According to the Bergen Record, it was a loaded Taurus .45 handgun that contained one hollowpoint round (among other loaded rounds), locked in the glovebox.

bobbyj
bobbyj

Just like yesterday's nonsense about Goodson...Brendan tell me about the firearm,

Was it a semi auto

Was it a revolver

Was it a Sig

Was it a Smith & Wesson

Was it a registered firearm ( another state )

Was it unregistered

Was the firearm defaced, did it have it's serial #'s

You know absolutely JACK yet you form these concrete opinions on everything. Tell you one thing I learned, nothing is certant, almost everything exists in a gray area, & predicting the future, is absolutely futile

Brendan
Brendan

@bobbyj  Yes, I can read, which is why I have an issue with you using the term "controversy" when it doesn't apply. 

bobbyj
bobbyj

Dude can u read? I said I think it will work out, but no one can predict the future. At least 2 if not all of the major papers will have a day by day score board in camp between Geno & Vick. That said once again I think Vick is a class act & will prevent a controversy from happing

Brendan
Brendan

@bobbyj  There is no "controversy." It's startling how easy it is to herd Jets fans into a pen and convince them there's a "controversy." 


Geno is the incumbent, the guy they want to win the job. 

Vick is the fallback, the guy they start if Geno falters. 

Boyd and Simms battle out the right to hold the clipboard. 


If Geno stink, Vick starts. If Geno doesn't stink, Geno starts. If they're close, Geno starts. 


That is not a controversy, that is a competition. Just because Manish calls it a controversy doesn't make it so. This isn't even an outright competition, it's an "open" situation because they're not going to simply hand their job to the guy who started last year because he's "the guy who started last year." 


Vick, whether you think  he's the biggest scumbag in the NFL, is a legitimate starting-quality QB in limited doses, which is hopefully all this team needs him for. As is the case with any NFL team, if your backups are starting, you're in bad shape. 

bobbyj
bobbyj

How could the QB situation get worse? QB comp turns into a QB controversy. Many QB experts will tell you that while competition is good in camp, it's not good for QB's. A man named Bill Parcels once stated ( more than once ) that if you think you have two QB's, odds are that you have none....that said I do believe that Vick will handle this with class, & I do think we are better at the position then we were last year, but it's no sure thing. We are the only team in our division that is not set/having a QB competition in our division

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23 @tsjc68 @Pablo Bruno  I'm just hardpressed to see how you wouldn't think that, regardless of how things shake out at training camp, a QB option-list of 


16 games of experience Geno + handful-of-games-of-experience Simms + respected veteran Michael Vick + rookie-with-upside Tajh Boyd


isn't a better QB option list than 


rookie-with-upside Geno + back-to-back-25-turnover-seasons Mark Sanchez + weak-armed future-coach Greg McElroy + rookie-with-upside-but-raw Matt Simms + laughingstock Brady Quinn + retired-then-unretired David Garrard


Viewed as a whole, the four QBs we have under contract now offer a better hope of in-game competency than any of the various groupings we had under contract at any point in time in 2013.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@tsjc68 @BDarc23 @Pablo Bruno  Correct, my original comment was comparing this time last year to now.  Vick is better than all of the above QBs but only if he is healthy. He has been hurt multiple games every year since he returned. The hope is that Geno is the real deal but I only know that he didn't look it.

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@BDarc23 @Pablo Bruno  It's expected, Geno wasn't supposed to start last year anyway, in a way it was good for him to get some hands on experience, but Sanchez was the projected starter, everyone knew Geno wasn't ready to be thrown in there right away, and considering what he did, was pretty good and with the talent surrounding him and all, yet with Eli, people would make excuses for his play last season, makes no sense to me to say he sucked, he played as expected and he'll improve this season.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23 @Pablo Bruno  But even if he was the worst, the fact remains that any combination of 2014 Geno/Vick/Boyd/Simms is likely to be better than any combination of 2013 Geno/Simms/David Garrard/Brady Quinn.


Geno and Simms may be just as bad as they were last year (but odds are, they'll be a little better), but Vick is still a much better option than David Garrard and Brady Quinn.  You can't deny that.


Sanchez is irrelevant to this question, as he was hurt and not part of the 2013 Jets.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68  You're insane.


Me:  "It's not a given that Geno will improve, but it's likely."

You: "But what about the Sophomore Slump?"

Me: "That's not real, that's a myth."

You: "But even if it's not real, we don't KNOW that Geno will be better, so we're just speculating."


Dude, I BEGAN THIS F#$%ING CONVERSATION saying that "IT'S NOT A GIVEN THAT HE'LL BE BETTER".


Nowhere ever did I say "It's a fact that Geno will be better, an absolute fact!!!!!"  Nowhere did I say "This isn't speculation, it's determinism, written in the stars, unchangeable like the sands of time!!!".


As always, you obfuscate and strawman.

Brendan
Brendan

@bobbyj  Nvm - Livefyre'd

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68  I'm not the one claiming that such thing as a "sophomore slump" exists.  It doesn't.


Some QBs improve as sophomores, some don't, some stay the same.


"The Sophomore Slump", which implies that second year QBs -- as a rule --  tend to do worse than they did as rookies, that's not true.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se It's amazing to watch you completely ignore and dismiss a fascinating study because you don't agree with it before you even read it. 

bobbyj
bobbyj

Bro there's a ton more tape of Geno out there & he's gonna have to adjust. Just like a hitter in baseball who can't hit a curve ball, it's all the hitter will see. Geno has tendencies...passing out of the shot gun, stuff like that

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68  


"In conclusion, the numbers clearly indicate that the sophomore slump is mostly a myth. Sure, some quarterbacks see a decline in many stats in their sophomore years (see: Sam Bradford, Matt Ryan), but that number is dwarfed by the number and extent of which rookie quarterbacks tend to improve in their sophomore year. Even QBs who improved may have seen a decrease in some areas, but overall they generally improved, a statement supported by the RATE+ stat, which attempts to measure overall performance. Only 3 of the 31 quarterbacks analyzed actually experienced an overall decrease in RATE+ in their sophomore year. The unique case of Matthew Stafford’s tremendous 3rd season also provides evidence that more time in the NFL can dramatically improve a player’s performance, even if games aren’t played like in Stafford’s case (also think of Aaron Rodgers learning under Brett Favre). As for this year’s rookie class, I expect slight improvements in the stats of Weeden, Tannehill, and even Luck, although to a lesser extent in his case. I have to expect some natural regression in the case of Wilson and especially RGIII following his injury, but I don’t think such regression should be referred to as a slump. Overall, I think it is safe to say that in general the idea of a sophomore slump is just a myth and that, on average, most quarterbacks will see improvement in their stats rather than decline."


http://georgetownsportsanalysis.wordpress.com/2013/09/08/the-sophomore-slump-myth-or-fact-nfl-edition/

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23 @Disgruntled Jets Fan  None of those things are given.  They all seem pretty likely, though.


It's not a given that 2014 Geno will be better than 2013 Geno, but I'd say it's likely, in that he's a smart kid who will have a year's worth of experience (good and bad) and more familiarity with the playbook, playing under center, and the speed of the NFL.


It's not a given that Michael Vick will be better than Mark Sanchez, but I'd say it's likely, given that Michael Vick has generally played at a higher level than Mark Sanchez has (and has years of familiarity in this offense).  


And Boyd v. Simms is an unknown, but it's worth noting that last year, due to the craptacularness of Brady Quinn and the frailty of David Garrard, Simms was basically the QB#2 and this year Simms/Boyd will just be the QB#3, so whatever they are or are not, they're less likely to see snaps.