Geno working out with former NFL QB

It might be the offseason, but quarterback Geno Smith is working on his craft during his time away from the Jets. According to an article by Rich Cimini in ESPN NY, the Jets quarterback has been working in Florida with former NFLer and mechanics master Chris Weinke:

Geno Smith prepared for the NFL scouting combine by working out with quarterback guru Chris Weinke at the IMG Academy in Bradenton, Fla. A year later, Smith is taking the same approach to his offseason. 

The New York Jets‘ quarterback was seen Monday at IMG, working in a private session with Weinke, IMG’s director of football operations.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

It’s a good thing to see Smith reach out to Weinke for some more instruction while he awaits his shot at a second season. Hopefully, Smith will spend a good amount of time training and preparing this offseason to build on some of his late season successes as a rookie.

Why Weinke? In 2010, Weinke teamed with John Madden to create the IMG Madden Football Academy. Weinke has been the Academy’s director since that time and has worked with NFL prospects such as Cam Newton, Smith and 2014 NFL prospect Teddy Bridgewater.

Weinke, of course, had an interesting path to college and NFL football. After playing baseball in the Blue Jays minor league organization for six years, Weinke returned to college at Florida State, where he led the Seminoles to a national championship while also winning the Heisman. Weinke then played with the Panthers, leading the team as far as the NFC Championship game.

56 comments
Brendan
Brendan

So....this Ray Rice stuff is pretty disturbing. 

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

Good! This is nothing but positive wrt intent. Smith is showing that he wants to get better. Now let's hope it shows on the field this season.

The most interesting thing abut this s that he worked with Weinke BEFORE The Combine last year which drives a few questions:


1) Is Weinke the right coach? Despite credentials, if Weinke is the right coach then how come Geno was so unbelievably raw and bad on fundamentals? The only possibilities are that Weinke is not a good teacher or Geno was so raw that even after coaching he wasn't NFL ready. And that leads us to question #2.

2) If Geno was so raw, how come so many mock draft "experts" and some scouts had him as a Round 1 pick? That really goes to show all of us that these "experts" and mock drafters are no better than WAG'ers.

a57se
a57se

It would be a story IF Geno wasn't working with someone on his game during the off-season....this is to be expected.

a57se
a57se

I love how as soon as someone says anything that is not flattering about Geno, several posters come out of the woodwork to defend him and tell us how great he is and attempt to explain away his performance!


juunit
juunit

Maybe Bridgewater will rub off on him.

williamg1
williamg1

Whatever works for him. 


As much as Geno needs to improve, the front office needs to provide him weapons. And, it would be nice if Mr. Stephan Hill becomes a football player. 

bob
bob

Geno is close to home in Fl..And Chris is gonna teach him to how to Weinki at girls with out them getting mad on da twitter.

Chad
Chad

I am sure many will disagree but imo the problem with Geno is not his arm, his footwork or his mechanics, it is is head. His inability to process information, read defenses and make decisions. Don't know if Weinke can fix that.

Mike Milea
Mike Milea

I would like to hear Geno training with some other well known QB... I never heard of Weinke, just did my research... hey its better than no one right?

gbrownn
gbrownn

Very, She may have been hammered or whatever IDK. But the way he was just throwing her around like a rag doll was the worst part to me! Thats his effin fiance face first on the ground that hes dragging. If they cut him I wouldn't even want him. He lost me as a fan today

Gavin Buck
Gavin Buck

@frustjetfn  If we was working with him before the Combine, he might have been working on Combine drills, not executing a playbook, or getting better mechanics and fundamentals. More training for the test. 


Hopefully this year it is about cleaning up the mechanics and he has a list of things to work on from David Lee and it is good he is at least working in his own time

a57se
a57se

@frustjetfn  

1) Just think of how raw Geno would have been if he hadn't worked with Weinke before the draft?

2) There wasn't much talent at QB last year?

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  Please tell me which post on here is telling people how great Geno is. 

harold
harold

Maybe he can tell Geno how it feels to start 16 games in the NFL and help him out with that adjustment

kniff
kniff

@williamg1  I'm rooting for Hills' third year to be a charm... I remember the Browns didn't think Braylon could catch.

kniff
kniff

@Chad I would agree that QB is more of a neck up position than any in sports... and your point is well taken...


but in all fairness, the jury is still out on Geno.

williamg1
williamg1

@Chad  Could be true. 


But its hard to judge that only by his rookie season, though. 

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

I agree he is gifted physically but mentally he

Struggled..weinke may not fix that or for that manner anyone else but geno himself..atleast he recognizes his need for improvement and that is a testament to maturity. I think Geno can and will improve..because he is taking it upon himself to do so

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Chad Yes, I disagree because, like all rookies, he had trouble reading defenses, but improved over the course of the season.  As for poor decisions, I think that comment is wrapped up into his INTs.  In his rookie season, he showed a knack for running decisively and successfully when the defense allowed him.  Also, it's hard to tell how much better he would have been if his first reads were actually open on time.  Geno did not have the benefit of any of the receivers that he entered camp with and threw passes to play all 16 games.  His record just with a healthy Kerley (8-4?) shows that the INTs and alleged inability to read defenses and/or make decisions can't be judged without looking at the talent around him.


Also, Geno did have some mechanical issues, especially throwing on the run (he often didn't set when he threw causing his passes to sail).  And, he still has to work on his drops after taking the ball from center.  So, working with Weinke could help him a great deal...he improved from mini camp to training camp exponentially, something the coaches and players spoke about at training camp.

harold
harold

Did not see that at all.  Seemed to process information just fine.  Was able to find open guys downfield even as plays broke down.  All rookies will miss backside options.  As they mature they can process those options more quickly.

billennium
billennium

@Mike Milea  Just because Weinke isn't a household name, does not mean he is a bad teacher. Just because someone excels at their craft, it does not mean that they would make a good instructor. Jason Garrett was a career backup and now he is a head coach. Players work with the likes of Jeff Garcia and Alex Van Pelt is the Packers QB coach. 

harold
harold

Weinke is one of the up and coming QB coaches, working with Cam and Russell Wilson, Geno and now Bridgewater. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Gavin Buck I agree with the idea that Lee gave him some kind of list or breakdown film showing him things to work on. I assume this is standard procedure for good position coaches, and it's how guys like Brady & Brees know what to work on when they go to their QB guru's. 

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

@a57se @frustjetfn  as we got closer to last years draft didnt a couple of the experts change their mind and put nassib as the number one qb prospect 

Chad
Chad

@williamg1 @Chad 

Agree 100% And hopefully I am dead wrong and he makes a huge improvement next year.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Pablo Bruno After losing 3 games in a row, he went 3-1 in last 4 games.  That's pretty mentally tough, especially after being benched twice.  Also, Rex admitted that reining in the passing game after the bye was a mistake and it was.  Ground and pound puts a lot of strain on a QB because he passes when he has to pass and the defense knows it.  That's why back in the day rarely any QB had a completion percentage above 55%.

Ron Alexander
Ron Alexander

@SackDance99 @Chad  Excellent observation bro but if i may add another flaw as a passer was his penchant to throw while backing up trying to avoid the rush( which often times was not actually there).He frequently backed himself literally out of the pocket directly into the rushers who were being blocked appropriately. Unless your name is Roman Garbiel or John Elway its pretty tough to get anything on the throw if your backing up!

SackDance99
SackDance99

@billennium @Mike MileaAlso, QBs like Tom Brady and Drew Brees have worked with pitching guru Tom House on throwing mechanics.  Just because a teacher never played QB at an elite level in the NFL doesn't mean he can't help NFL QBs.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se ????



I'm not playing any game here, man. You said people "come out of the woodwork" and tell people being critical of Geno "how great Geno is." I'd like examples, if you'd be so kind. If you're going to throw an accusation out there like that, you should probably at least be able to substantiate it, no? 


Hank plays the game with me, he knows we're just joking, you don't, so I am no longer going to joke with you. I was being serious, this isn't "recreation", I promise. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Go back to your discussion with Hank if you want some recreation,

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se 


Can you please provide those examples I asked for? If you're going to be critical of commenters on the blog, at least do it accurately. 


(and you are correct, I didn't insult you once in this exchange)

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Thank you for watching out for those strawmen and  throwing insults out so early!

Oh, I know, you really didn't just insult me...it is all in my imagination!

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Because there is nothing to debate. People "coming out of the woodwork" to discuss his flaws (not say they don't exist) isn't the same thing as telling people "how great Geno is." 


You're bashing strawmen and insinuating that those strawmen are posting in this thread. It's bush league. 

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@a57se @harold

Hey 57, Please explain how a RETIRED person goes on VACATION ??

What is he vacationing from, retirement ha, ha, ha ???

a57se
a57se

@harold  

I hadn't taken a vacation in over a year so I figured I'd use up my 10 days. I have some stuff to do around my home....including getting my AC replaced.....

harold
harold

Sounds great.  I don't get Vacation until April, so a little jealous.

a57se
a57se

@harold  

Central...it is 11:15 a/m/ herre and I am on vacation so I just got up an hour ago.....

harold
harold

What time zone are you in?

williamg1
williamg1

@Chad  I'm with you. Going into the last month of the season, I was ready to draft a QB in the 1st round. Now, I'd rather do it in a later round -- only because I'm taking a huge leap of faith in believing in Geno. And it sure is a huge leap. 

harold
harold

I agree, I don't excuse those issues.  I just think with a different coach he may have been better.  The issues would have still been there and would have put a ceiling on potential. 

But I think he could have been a least as consistent as a Matt Schaub or Andy Dalton in a diffrenet situation.

But we got what we got a fragile guy who crumbled when the team put pressure on him to perform.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@harold My issues with Sanchez are strictly about mechanics and accuracy.  Everyone knows he was put in a tough situation with declining offensive personnel around him.  I just think that he had persistent accuracy issues on his short to intermediate outs and his screen/swing passes.  This just made it harder on him because if you have trouble with the easy stuff, then you're forced to complete the hard stuff.  Also, inexplicably, he lost his deep ball accuracy.  One thing that I thought was a huge plus for him was his great deep ball...right down the chimney.  He just lost his accuracy on his deep throws and that really hurt him in 2012.

gbrownn
gbrownn

Couldn't agree more with the both of you. Weapons and an offseason to identify his own flaws is all Geno needs(Hopefully). He didn't have either last year. 

harold
harold

I agree 100%.  People don't realize it is very hard to play that way.  That is why I have even given Sanchez a small bump up in terms of my evaluation.  I think Rex hurt him with the color coding and conservtaive mind set.

He lost confidence and depsite his claims never got it back. 

I think Geno will be fine and Rex either on his own or through converstions with Marty, Lee and Idzik has started to understand you can't win if you go into a shell on offense every time adversity strikes.