How does Mike Vick’s presence impact this team?

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

With a little more time to think, here’s some thoughts now that the Jets have acquired Michael Vick. Leave your thoughts in the comments!

Michael VickVick is not the Jets panacea – Signing Michael Vick doesn’t fix everything that ails the Jets. No one is under that delusion, but it does buttress one of the most important and thinnest positions on the team. The team still has long-term questions at the quarterback position on March 22. At 34 years of age, Vick might be to the point where as Gregg Rosenthal wrote “he’s just good enough to get you beat. (And he’s still an upgrade on many starters out there.)” That said, he played better than Geno Smith did last season, while losing out to an ascending Nick Foles who posted an impeccable turnover ratio and helped steer an Eagles team into the playoffs.

In a perfect world — As we can all attest, perfect plans rarely, if ever, work out for the Jets. Even so, in a “perfect” situation, Geno Smith would play every snap for the Jets in 2014 and continue to show the growth that we saw from him at the end of the 2013 season. As opposed to 2013′s David Garrard, Vick would be Smith’s much more competent, much less creaky, mentor from the sideline. Vick would help Smith learn the nuances of the Marty Mornhinweg offense and push Smith to be a better player. Should Smith stumble, Rex will have Vick at the ready. While he’s not the player he once was, he still ranked 23rd according to ProFootballFocus in 20013 (Smith ranked 41st).

In Gary Myers world — Vick is here solely to supplant Geno Smith as the starter. Is that a surprise and since when is that a bad thing? With the No. 18 pick in the first round, the Jets are most likely out of the running for an immediate starter. Their best chance is to let the guy who fell to them in the second round in 2013 and a veteran quarterback duke it out. Vick was the best of the options on the market, it’s not a long-term answer, but it was better than vainly hoping for Mark Sanchez to rise from the ashes. Ironic, since Sanchez started as ashes. If I was a football coach, I’m pretty sure I’d only want players on my team who want more playing time and more responsibility.  

This is not Tebow Part II —  Unlike Tim Tebow, there’s never been much doubt about Vick’s ability to throw the football. He is a quarterback and while there might be a quarterback controversy deep into camp, it will be a better competition than what we saw two years ago. Vick is a better deep passer, good off the play action and since coming to Philly he’s gotten much better at hanging in the pocket. On the move, Vick is less effective in completing passes, but as a traditional passing offense with a solid running game he can be effective. While they might not have an elite passer, at least the the Jets have two players they can choose between, something they haven’t truly had in a very long time.

The best receiver and quarterback — The Jets have been under fire for the last week due to their moves in free agency. Rightly? Wrongly. Here’s what we know: Vick was the best quarterback on the market in the last month and the newly minted Eric Decker was the best at his spot. I’ll admit that I still have my doubts about the extent to which the Jets were involved in free agency when it comes to their defense, but they got the best two players in a pass-heavy league. That has to count for something.

No matter who is starting at quarterback, more moves need be made – The way that a team deals with a questionable quarterback situation is by putting complementary offensive pieces around the quarterback in the run and pass and fielding a strong defense. We saw that work (kinda) in 2009 and 2010. The Jets probably won’t collect the same amount of talent as those teams between now and September, but leaving the uncertainty at cornerback aside for now, the Jets could still make some more notable acquisitions on offense. Wide receiver is still in question and the Jets have been linked to DeSean Jackson. The front office is racking up the frequent flyer miles when it comes to Pro Days for some of the 2014 NFL Draft’s top receivers. Beyond that, the Jets still need a durable third down / change of pace running back (regardless of Mike Goodson) and they need to take an unbiased look at their projected starters on the right side of the offensive line. Neither Breno Giacomini nor Willie Colon can be considered even mediocre run blockers. Don’t expect those guys to be handed the starting position come camp. The point here is, while they now have a basis from which to work, we still expect some impact players to be added to this team (specifically this offense) between now and camp.




394 comments
Luis Hernandez
Luis Hernandez

Great move! He and geno have comparable styles and he could learn from vick

rubiconx0
rubiconx0

i cannot and will not ever warm up to the low life, animal abusing, dog killer on this team , all the football stuff aside, this guy is poison!

bradysucks
bradysucks

Vick is an upgrade over buttfumble bozo Sanchez. People need to stop over analyzing this move by Idzik. We have better depth at QB and Geno has real competition.

It's not rocket science ladies

metjetnet
metjetnet

(miketaliaferro) I just saw Mehta tweeting his blessing on a D-Jax trade, and his willingness to forgive any & all sins he feels Idzik has committed once D-Jax' services are obtained. What a sweetheart Manny is when he's being Manny. Obviously, as of now, I'm against acquiring D-Jax on principle.

maxjet
maxjet

After throwing much support to John Idzik, the epitome of general management conservatism and deliberation, he goes and blind sides my enthusiasm by signing Michael Vick, a “lighting rod” player if there ever was one. I, for the life of me, can not disconnect Michael Vick’s personal and football persona. But that’s my own issue and for discussion and debate in another blog. However, from a football perspective, Vick, at 35 years of age, has hit the old proverbial football “wall”. He is no longer the player that can give you 7 to 10 games of good football. Once hurt he is unable to recover as easily as when he was younger. He will not be here to mentor Geno Smith nor is the long term Jet’s answer at QB. Vick becomes another rethread QB in a long line of QB brought in by the Jets to address the QB position. For a fleeting moment, I thought Idzik’s deliberate approach and overall football philosophy would not consent to such a signing. I guess, I, along with many other, was wrong.  Upon reflection, I can only think of the “Joe Namath Curse” and start to really believe that it could be true. All this sums up the history of being a Jets fan. Just the very second you’re confident that the Jets are heading in the right direction your lingering hope is incrementally squashed. Maybe, just maybe in the darkest hour, Underdog will come and save the day!

David Aron
David Aron

two thoughts without going thru the 350+ comments:
1) do we need a better RT to protect the left-handed vick's blindside?

2) do the jets make a move to take C alex mack and move either mack or mangold to the right side?

greggreen
greggreen

im fine with trading a mid rounder for jackson but if hes cut, i dont wanna sign him. a trade would be a minimum risk 

Bernard Mclaughlin
Bernard Mclaughlin

Except  nothing is guaranteed after this year and De Jackson is much better. if they hire him it's because his OC and former QB both say he will ehlp. I hope they get him and then we get5 Ebron at 18, then a CB or OG with second pick, then on to playoffs.


Paul Samuels
Paul Samuels

If the Jets trade for DJAX, would that be the same situation as the Holmes trade a few years ago? Same contract, similar skillset, diva personality. The safest route is to draft a WR in the first round, and pair him with Decker. 

_BPP_
_BPP_

Cooks, Lee, Beckham, etc. might be playmakers like Jackson. So why npt just get Jackson?

Imagine if we had traded our 1st round pick in 2008 for Jared Allen instead of spending it on Gholston's potential?

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

Brendan:


RT @evansilva: RT @jaredv87 Watched ton of Towson RB Terrance West. Seen him? ... Yes. Huge, fast, great open-field jump cut. Can struggle in small areas. 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHRIS IVORY!!!

ww85
ww85

Is there a date Philly needs to cut DJAX by to save $$?

Omari Brown
Omari Brown

I don't see it happening simply bc of the talent at the position in this draft. Cooks,Lee,Beckham,Richardson are all deep threats and well within reach for the Jets. Richardson from Colorado(who has a similar game to Jackson) could be great value in the 2nd if the just went another way in the first.

Pat d
Pat d

Vick is 34 and not very good

Starz31
Starz31

@metjetnet  It's all part of his plan. By saying he thinks Idzik should go out and get him, if Idzik does not succeed then Manish is going to rip him and the Jets, fulfilling his daily goal of alienating fans in order to gain extra page views. 

jdb4
jdb4

@metjetnet  

Have to agree.  Must mean Manish thinks he can create a schism or at least create an illusion of one if the Jets land Jackson.  Considering his instagram behavior. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

Why not flip Brick to the right side?

Paul Samuels
Paul Samuels

@David Aron  They are not going to move Mangold, he is a Center and that is the end of it.  You do, however, bring up a great point about RT, but I think that if Vick was going to be the day 1 starter, the Jets would have made more of an effort to get a "top flight" RT. 

ww85
ww85

You'd be willing to give up a 3rd rounder in a draft this deep with WRs and TEs? I'm opposed to this trade but if it has to happen, no higher than 4th rounder please!

phillyed
phillyed

@Paul Samuels  Exactly the same. I am a Jet fan who lives in Eastern PA. I watch Jet and Eagle games all the time. DJAX is the second coming of Holmes. They are exactly the same type player and personality. Stay far far far away from him trust me. 

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@_BPP_ your right, they may or may not be.   I think Beckham Jr has the most potential to be that dynamic.   Your pretty much saving 8 million a by drafting a player like that.  That is the main difference

Paul Samuels
Paul Samuels

@_BPP_  Because rookie contracts are cheap, and can "grow up" with the team. 

harold
harold

@ww85

No, because he has no guaranteed money.

harold
harold

@Omari Brown

Richardson is not really a similiar player in skills.  Plus he is likely a 3rd day pick

Jackson is much better with the ball in his hands.

We should trade for Jackson because he is young we can still have him for 3-5 years.

Furthwermore we are not trading a 1st or 2nd rounder so we still have our pick of WR if we chose.

Joe De Sr.
Joe De Sr.

A not" very good" Vick has to be a huge step up from not good at all Geno

SackDance99
SackDance99

I'm replying to my own post because it's a bad idea. Just leave the OL as it is and let Vick do his thing if he's the starter.

Paul Samuels
Paul Samuels

@Monty Granito @Paul Samuels  I suppose, but Jackson has a bit of an injury history as well. I don't like paying WR more than 10 million unless they are a name like Calvin Johnson, Fitzgerald or one of the other true elites. 

_BPP_
_BPP_

Oh, i fully understand the financial argument but why not go with the sure thing? Jackson is clearly one of the best playmakers in the leagu and ut is unlikely any of the rookie WRs end up being that good.

We habe a QB om a rookiee deal who will likely be replaced with another rookie if he fails. The easiest way to a great passing attack besides an elite QB is two very good receivers. We have one in Decker. Why not add another to set our QB up for success?

_BPP_
_BPP_

Like Gholston "grew up with the team" so cheaply?

harold
harold

@Paul Samuels

Not back then the contracts were very high for early round picks.

ww85
ww85

Yeah but there are still dates he is due cash right? He's due for roster bonuses, salary chunks on certain days, no?

Zartan
Zartan

@harold  bleacher report says he has 2mill cap hit(if cut), his cap hit would be 12.5 if he stays.

hazard2012
hazard2012

@harold  


And what are the chances he'd sign on to a new deal that didn't include guaranteed $$$?   It's obvious Idzik isn't spending all his cap room this off-season, not on the likely deals still out there, so why not use it w/DJax?...and don't open the door to re-doing his deal.   That option comes at the price of a draft pick or two...but here, too, Idzik's got more than he can possibly get equal value to Jackson for this year.  

rkymtnjet
rkymtnjet

@harold  Richardson will go Round 3 at the latest. The guy will be a playmaker. His biggest knock on him is he so skinny, that it may cause durability issues. I don't think its a concern, we've never seen Kevin Durant have durability concerns when he entered the league.

hazard2012
hazard2012

@harold  


The added value of landing DJax is how it impacts the draft.   DJax IS your Beckham, Lee, Cooks type receiver then, and you don't need another.   If the Jets get DJax they're probably NOT taking a WR early...they'll take one or two mid-late, where they might still find quality in WR's like Moncrief, Adams, Abberderis and Bryant.  


This allows them to focus on other needs...TE, CB, OL and OLB...with their top picks.     

__fense
__fense

@greggreen @Paul Samuels @Monty Granito  Unless I'm very mistaken, 'Very low' in this case actually means zero. Philly will have dead money for trading him, but after that he has nothing guaranteed or pro-rated.

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@Paul Samuels @Monty Granitobeckham of marquise lee would be almost the same as having DJAX, saving 8 mil roughly.     Besides what is all the hype about having an expensive  #1 wr.   Johnson, Fitzgerald, Gordon, AJ Green are all great WR's but 3 of 4 were not in the playoffs.   I agree completely

D
D

@_BPP_ Yea i agree with you.  We didnt do that with Sanchez and it looks like Idzik is trying to upgrade all positions for the most part.   

I actually really like DJAX as a player and have since his days at CAL.     Its a toss up you know.  Seems like Idzik is going grassroots with his decision making and trying to develop talent that he gets at low cost.     

The new trend in the NFL isnt having expensive WR's.    Seahawks won with a bunch of average WR's, but all NFL quality.    I wouldnt mind DeSean only if the numbers match up in our favor.  We still need $$ to resign MO and extend him.  

Paul Samuels
Paul Samuels

@harold  Yeah, I'm talking about current contract structure. Much less risk now, then there was back in '08. 

harold
harold

@ww85

Nothing other than a small 250k workout bonus that would not be a factor.

harold
harold

@Zartan

That is for the Eagles as part of the dead money from his signing bonus.  My post was about him having no guaranteed money.  Meaning if he is cut no cash is owed to him.

The Eagles would eat 2 million in dead for capo purposes. 

Two different points

harold
harold

@hazard2012

I talked about this yesterday, we would likely extend him a year and give him a roster bonus w/ most of salary converted to a 9 million or so in upfront money.

The last year would essentially be a fluff year so we could walk away

harold
harold

@rkymtnjet

He may go higher than 3rd day, but unlikely he goes before round 3.  Too many wideouts this year.  I doubt anyone has him in top 8, probably not many teams with him in top 10

D
D

@hazard2012 @harold  When Kerley got hurt last year for that 4 game stretch, we lost every game i think and the offense was AWFUL, I think it speaks volumes of what kind of player he is.  Add Decker, and one more WR.  I think his value as as a #3 slot wr goes way up.    He can actually focus on not being a focal point of opposing defenses. 

hazard2012
hazard2012

@harold  


I've always liked Kerley...he's been one of the consistencies on this team since he got here, but there's plenty of opportunity to draft for depth and future at WR, DB and OL in this draft.   

harold
harold

@hazard2012

I agree, that why I said if they chose.  I don't think we would be in that market.  But maybe they don't want to resign Kerley so they draft his replacement.  Just leaving options open.