How will the Jets manage Reed’s role versus Allen’s?

Against Oakland, we saw the good (career interception No. 62) and the bad (the collision with Antonio Cromartie) from Ed Reed. No one is disputing the career that Ed Reed has had, but JP Pelzman writes for the Bergen Record that his overuse has impacted the progression of players like Antonio Allen.

NFL: New York Jets at Buffalo BillsAllen finally saw an increase in playing time, but Pelzman notes that much of it came in one chunk when Reed was pulled from the lineup when Raiders coach Dennis Allen inexplicably removed Matt McGloin in favor of Terrelle Pryor during the first half.

… against Oakland on Sunday, [Ed Reed] played only 46 of 69 defensive snaps, and sat out the entire series when mobile Terrelle Pryor took over at quarterback for the Raiders.

Reed said after the game he wasn’t upset with the reduction in playing time.

“Coach [Ryan] just wanted to keep a good rotation of the safeties, like he has been,” Reed said. “We’ve been doing that since I’ve gotten here. He wants to keep those guys acclimated to what the defense is doing. For me to get a rest at any point, it’s welcome, but at the same time, you want to compete and play. I know those guys want to play. We all watch film together.”

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

The Jets held the mobile Pryor to three carries for four yards. Allen didn’t get credited (he might have as one was attributed to Bilal Powell … No. 29 / No. 39 … hmm … ) for any of those tackles, but he was in on all of the plays and helped limit the carries.

The use of Allen against the mobile quarterback is an interesting wrinkle and has us thinking about what we might see this weekend against Cam Newton and the Panthers. Yes, Reed has some deep range, but the Jets hesitance to deploy him more than occasionally around the line of scrimmage might tell the tale.

Newton is running the ball slightly less than he has in year’s past, but it is still a major part of his game to which his 495 rushing yards and six rushing touchdowns can attest. We don’t expect that Reed won’t see the field this Sunday, but the Jets would be wise to expand their use of Antonio Allen against Newton. Dawan Landry and Ed Reed are both over 30 and Newton’s speed and ability to run the ball could be deadly against the Jets.

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bob
bob

Breaking news Kirk Cousins to start for the Redskins next week RG111 inactive

nesboogie
nesboogie

Offseason signings, sign Alterraun Verner, Brian Orakpo, OLinemen, and/or Hakeem Nicks/Byrd. Draft Geno some weapons

nesboogie
nesboogie

Trash this season, Allen will move to SS next season, and then we either draft Lamarcus Joyner or sign Jarius Byrd

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

Contrary to what some people want to believe, football is NOT Rocket Science !!


It is a sport based on the simple brutal, animal instinct of trying to impose your will on your opponent, and the first to do so consistently, WINS !!!


However, this effort must e applied by ALL involved in the contest and here lies the problem:


Sexy Rexy 

If you look at the Jets defensive performance the last THREE years, you'll see that the application of Buddy's Defensive Manual by Rexy has been deficient in one or more facets of the overall scheme even though the Jets have had one of the better defensive rankings in the NFL.during rexy's tenure as Head Coach #1A !!.

In other words Rexy, the defensive GENIUS most claim he is, HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIELD A COMPLETE DEFENSIVE TEAM during his FIVE year tenure with the Jets !!!!


Rexy HC #1A, he not only lacking as a Defensive Genius, but he is completely deficient as a Offensive Coach, talent evaluator and in-game Manager!!!


The Jets will NEVER reach the promise land with this guy, therefore diehard Jets fans must be spared any more agony  .....


Sexy Rexy must be FIRED NOW !!!!

   

Juan Pablo Granda
Juan Pablo Granda

Im glad this was brought up....ed reed should take on the role of being a mentor to antonio allen....he is improving with the increase of playing time...he is like a young ed reed. He needs to be out there next game cause cam newton is fast and we need someone young fast and talented to keep up with him..i would probably also. bench cro and start walls or Wilson..maybe rotate the two

davem
davem

Free Antonio Allen!! Free Antonio Allen!!!

bob
bob

Sound like Allen is gonna have some more playing time this week.


Its time for the Jets Deffense to keep the score low. and show up this week. that's right I'm  expecting the  Jets defense to hold the Pathers to 6 points and quit frankly I deserve it. That's right!

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

I wonder if Ed Reed's ball-hawking, aggressive style of play is something that teammates need time to adjust to -- and possibly why he was not succeeding in Houston, and is slow to make an impact here. Sure, he is older and coming off injuries, but part of me thinks that playing with McAlister and Rolle year after year, and having a full camp to work in new defensive players coming to Baltimore each year was an advantage for playing alongside someone who 'freelances' like he does... Maybe Reed would have known better what angle Cro was going to take on that route and avoid him better... just throwing it out there. 


Or it's just his injuries and age and he's lost too much of his game. Bent's BGA seems to indicate he looked close to the same, just wasn't performing.

Brendan
Brendan

@nesboogie You're probably kidding yourself if you think Verner or Orakpo make it to FA, can't see either of their teams letting them go. 

djf1
djf1

hank, you're a bore.  try something new for a change.

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@Hanknaples Just stop. Seriously. You have no idea what you're talking about. So just go home. It's much simpler that way.

a57se
a57se

That was one of the worst comments I've seen on this Blog!

Bytor
Bytor

@Hanknaples

Good lord man. No defense in the league is as complete as you imply. I'll take a top 10 D every year thank you very much. I'm sure there are plenty of playoff bound teams like the Saints and Cowboys that would absolutely kill for our personel. Presently constructed all they need is less time on the field IMHO.

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@Hanknaples Isn't having an overall top 10 defense the goal regardless of the individual elements that are added up to get there? One facet is always weaker than the others -- whether a defense or a human being or anything-- it is never completely equal. Rex Ryan preaches that if you "emphasize everything, you've emphasized nothing" meaning that he likes to take the strengths of a defense, or a player, and make them stronger, to compensate for the weaknesses. 


Being that his defenses wind up in the top 10 every year, with or without his best players or new personnel, why would it matter if one facet is stronger than another?

Brendan
Brendan

@davem


Is this because you want him to play and develop? Or because you think he'd improve the defense?

djf1
djf1

definitely think that not having played together ia hurting the secondary with reed.  they need to work together to get the best results,  just like the OL.

Brendan
Brendan

@DarrolRayFanClub While Reed is familiar with Rex's scheme, it has changed since they parted ways 5 years ago in some ways, and I'm sure all the terminology isn't identical. Even for Reed, there would have to be an adjustment period for him, and you're right the team probably has to get used to him. 

bob
bob

Look DarrelRayFanClub...I know your just throwing that out there.

But it hit me in the head and I fell over

a57se
a57se

I don't know, Marcus. He doesn't look like the same QB without the ability to burn a defense with his legs. He seems to miss a lot of passes out of the pocket.

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@Brendan

Hello Brendan long time ....are you saving up for that bet you ARE going to owe me Sunday ???

I belive Bent is also involved in this !!!!

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@Bytor @Hanknaples I think it would be really neat if the 300-320 yards they give up per game every year was exactly split at 150-160 rushing and passing, with the same impact from the secondary as the DL and LBs every single year. That would be freaky!


The strengths are always going to shift from one unit to another, to who is healthy or personnel changes... that he has been consistently top 10 at 300-320 ypg each year is actually quite amazing.

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@DarrolRayFanClub

Do you realize that Sexy Rey's defense is also in the TOP 10 in points ALLOWED ???

I would think that facet is critical, don't you???

davem
davem

I think he should be getting paid unemployment for losing his job thru no fault of his own:)

j3tsfan29
j3tsfan29

Get used to reed? That's is absurd. Like you said he's familiar with Rex's scheme, terminology may be different but the only other variable that's changed is ed reeds age and skills. They have diminished. He's not the same guy and if he was even close to the same guy he wouldn't have left houston. Allen may learn a thing or two from his mind, but Id be afraid he learns bad things from his play. Cut ties with ed reed, start Allen, drop CRo at the end of the year as quick as possible.

bob
bob

@Brendan


I like that interception last week, though curios to see if we loose. and I'm hoping we don't  if the younger guys get more playing time being that will bee out of it.


Allen continues to make plays.

Bytor
Bytor

@Hanknaples

Get out of town, I was unaware of that fluky statistic where you score more points than the other team and you win games. I also presume you’re alluding to such luminaries as John Fox, Andy Reid, Jeff Fisher and our old friend the great Eric Mangini when you reference better coaches. I’ll wait while you pull up how many Lombardi trophies they’ve won.

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

DarrolBylor:

I would strongly suggest that we forget top this and top that and concentrate on Total Point Differential.........that stat is critical because it DIRECTLY translates to wins and losesl.....and more importantly.......Championships !!!!

Take a look and you'll find Sexy Rexy trailing badly behind your better Head Coaches !!! 

Bytor
Bytor

@DarrolRayFanClub @Bytor @Hanknaples

That would be freaky, although giving up an average of 150 yds on the ground gives me pause. What I think would be super freaky is if we had an average offense. Our defense would become devastating, without changing any of the personnel. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples No one believes the Jets have been more successful than anything over the past 45 years. Since Woody Johnson bought the team it's been more successful than 2/3 of the league, and that is fact. 

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

I like that...'not half bad'......can we cash that in for Half a Lombardi????

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

It all depends your YOUR VIEW of success !!!!

Isn't being half successful tantamount to mediocrity???


FWIW...the biggest misconception the last 45 years (SEXY REXY INCLUDED) is that the Jets have been successful or at least more successful than???

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@Hanknaples Oh, and the reason is Darrelle Revis was essentially traded for Sheldon Richardson. Amazing that Rex can adjust to his personnel, if you ask me.

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

Then tell me why the Jets are almost last against the pass and the years before alternate ???


Isn't Rexy a complete Defensive Genius....or half genius....because he is a HALF Head Coach ???

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@Brendan @Hanknaples Correct -- they were 9th before last week and I think 7 the week before that. 


Hank -- the points allowed facet is critical to wins and losses, of course, but it is not always a direct reflection on the defense, which is what we are discussing here. The Jets are 12th in DVOA, 10th in yards allowed, but 23rd in points allowed because they are 30th in average starting field position -- which is a result of an offense that turns the ball over a lot and a special teams unit that has blown this season. 


San Diego's defense gives up a whopping 383 yards per game (28th) and 6.3 yards per play (worst in NFL), which doesn't say they are too good -- however, they are 11th in points allowed because they rank first overall in the starting field position category that kills the Jets. 


So is SD the 11th best defense because their offense and ST never allow them to defend such short fields? No, their DVOA is 32nd.


If you want to argue that Tanny and Idzik have done a poor job putting a competent offense on the field, no argument here. If you want to blame the personnel on the fact that the last four HCs are defensive-minded, go ahead. If you want to put extra blame on Rex because you like Mangini more and think somehow things were any different then, fine. But to use points allowed as a sole reason as to the defense struggling this season is plain silly.

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

Brendan;

Yeah right.....keep digging......like a true Jets apologist!!!!

Even the LOWLY Fins......you know, the team you bet me that would NOT win more than 7.5 games this year, right Bent ??........embarrassed the Jet's defense !!!!

:

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples DVOA takes things into account that normal "points allowed" statistics don't, like turnovers that count for points (DVOA weighs those differently, in points allowed it doesn't matter who gives up the points (offense/defense) it still counts against the defense. 


It doesn't surprise me that an archaic individual would use an archaic stat, though. 

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

You are too fudgging muck Brendan....points allowed.........as in THREE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN (337) points ALLOWED....Ninth team overall !!!!

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples


Okay, they're ranked 12th in DVOA this year, after back-to-back bad weeks. Not sure what your point is, the defense isn't what has held the Jets back at all since Rex got here. 


It's great watching you try to force a square peg through a circle hole, though. 

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@Brendan

Wake up Brendan.....FYI top ten in points allowed THIS YEAR......Good try anyway, even for the top Jets Apologist !!!

a57se
a57se

Brendan, because we aren't very smart?

Brendan
Brendan

@j3tsfan29 He is not a liability. Saying this proves you are just lobbing blame at the guy because you don't understand the defense or its struggles. 

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@j3tsfan29 Yes -- I think he is a freelancing ball-hawk who benefits from knowing where his teammates will be, but right now does not. It very well could be his age and injury as you say, I never said it was not the case.

j3tsfan29
j3tsfan29

He does to me. He's slower and taking bad angles and has now collided with two cbs on different plays resulting in tds.

j3tsfan29
j3tsfan29

It's not a low opinion of him, I personally can't justify his signing. Sure he was a hof safety but these days he's just a liability. Doesn't change that he will make the hof, just that his play is for lack of better term... Crap.

j3tsfan29
j3tsfan29

Getting used to his teammates doesn't affect what angles he takes or how slow he is. IMO the guys past his prime and is causing more harm then good.

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@j3tsfan29 Actually -- the original point was that Reed has to get used to his new teammates, something he's never had to do in-season before in his life. That's a big variable.

Brendan
Brendan

@j3tsfan29 A thing or two? 


How do Jets fans have such a low opinion of a first ballot HOF safety? It's incredible. 

a57se
a57se

I'd be surprised if Josh Bush is around another season. He doesn't seem to have progressed very much and I never notice him on special teams.

Brendan
Brendan

@bob @Brendan I think the best thing that can happen to Allen and Josh Bush (remember him!?) is to absorb the infinite knowledge of the safety position that Reed possesses.