john-idzik

Idzik wants cornerback issue to play out

John Idzik is going to wait for the Jets cornerback issues to play themselves out.

“Let the answers come out on the field,” the GM said while on WFAN on Wednesday morning.

He sees this as an opportunity for other players to get reps they normally wouldn’t receive.

With many of the team’s cornerbacks injured or sidelined, the team has had to move Antonio Allen to a cornerback position to see if he can handle it. Idzik and the Jets didn’t land any big name CBs in the offseason, though they were close to Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, before he left and landed with the Giants.

“We did everything that we had to do with [Rodgers-Cromartie],” Idzik said. “[A deal] had got to work for both sides. All the way up until the last moment, we felt like we did everything in our power to make it work for us. If it’s not a match, we have to move on.”




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Dknyj
Dknyj

Why does everyone think we have a pass rush? If you disagree show me sack, hits and hurry rankings from last year and I'm pretty sure your theory that our front 7 will protect our weak CB'S will fall to pieces.

marcus81
marcus81

opportunity for other players to get reps? CB is the last line of defense

NorthWest
NorthWest

Trade kyle wilson for darqueze dennard

Justin Schaefer
Justin Schaefer

I blame Kyle Wilson. 1st round bust that we still hold onto because we hope some day he can turn his head around to make a play. This guys was suppose to soften the Revis blow yet he has only exacerbated the loss. What a bum.


Joseph Garofola
Joseph Garofola

Have the Jets scheduled former lions CB Dayton florence for a try out this week.?

HarthorneWingoStarr
HarthorneWingoStarr

What many of you don't seem to understand is that Idzik was not (and is not) looking to win a Championship this year. It was not going to happen regardless of what he did. We are more than a few players away. Consequently he was not going to overpay for a corner back, or any other position for that matter, this off season. Similarly, he was going to pick who he thought were the best players available in each round of the draft. Obviously reasonable people can differ on whether he actually took the best players available each round. But he surely did not go into this draft with the mindset that he absolutely had to solve the team's corner back and receiver problems. He's building a roster. And for those who question his approach and wisdom think about this: Compare the team's overall depth this coming year relative to last year's team. In my opinion the talent level of the overall roster is world's better than it was last year AND we have a huge surplus of cap space to either sign an unexpected high-end cut in the next few weeks or use judiciously next year on our own players or free agents.


Come next year I would expect Idzik to be more methodical in fixing specific positional deficiencies. Because next year I expect us to be contenders.

Boozer32
Boozer32

Idzik you dropped the ball this offseason. I sure hope you do a much better job of it next season. You absolutely knew the team weaknesses and you didn't fully address them. We needed another top flight receiver and it would have helped to address that in the offseason if you were't going to do it in the draft. I wanted Marquis Lee but you went defense again with Pryor. Pryor fills a need also. Patterson looked horrible in the first preseason game and with all the flame throwers the Jets all be seeing this year that is disturbing. 

williamg1
williamg1

I'm just looking forward to Pryor playing exclusively with the 1st team. 

Williams better watch out on Friday.

j3tsfan29
j3tsfan29

Idzik is a fool for not addressing cb. We will pay the price and it really is a shame. This team has been hampered by shoddy qb play yr in and yr out since Pennington. We finally get a decent qb and now not qb but cb will be our downfall. If you think the cbs we have will matchup with aerial attacks such as Green Bay Chicago, Denver New England and Detroit you really should think again. Milliner will be good, not revis good but good, other then that were screwed. Revis talib verner Davis mudderlyn, this fa we had cbs to choose from idzik couldn't land one. Don't get me started on his drafting this yr.. I hope I'm wrong cause I just spent 330$ on nfl ticket just so I can watch my jets this season, but it's going to be hard to believe that the cbs we have will stop megatron/Tate demerius Thomas/ welker Nelson/Cobb thompkins/Edelman. Not signing atleast 1 cb in fa will bite him in the arse and he will "regret it".

williamg1
williamg1

@Dknyj I think we have a pass rush. I hope we have a pass rush. We shall see. 

marcus81
marcus81

@NorthWest  try and be serious, these aren't the Raiders who drafted Dennard

Brendan
Brendan

@Joseph Garofola Should they want to? A 33 y/o CB who was cut 12 days after getting signed? Not a good look. 

Ron Alexander
Ron Alexander

@HarthorneWingoStarr Thats a very interesting take on the current roster situation but it sounds like it was written by John Idzik. I get the part about building through the draft and signing select players to augment the roster when the opportunity presents itself.On that we agree. The problem is in order to make that work we need a guy who is an excellent talent elevator and from what I've seen so far I'm not sure we hired the right guy so far.He's drafted 19 players to date and only one has distinguished himself to date. His first draft is coming into focus now and it appears Richardson is the only sure thing. Geno has shown some progress but we will know more in the coming weeks. After undergoing 9 surgeries as a collegian Milliner' continues that trend as a Jet with 3 injuries already. Winters and Bohanon were rated at the bottom at their respective positions last year and neither has looked very good so far this year.Campbell the G we drafted last year is looking like a sure cut this season after wasting a roster spot all last year and Oday Aboushi is still very much a work in progress.This years draft has the look of an even worse crop as two are already on I.R,one of which was also an injury prone guy who was drafted much higher than most pundits had predicted. Thus far it appears only Pryor and Amaro are likely to contribute much this year and none of the others has distinguished themselves to make anyone believe they are future pieces of the puzzle.Obviously its too early to fully judge whether or not Idzik is the guy but the early returns are not very good.

williamg1
williamg1

@HarthorneWingoStarr Help me understand: He's gone long-term with the roster, but short term with the coach?


If he doesn't plan on contending this year, but has instead decided until following years to fill individual holes, then what is with the 1 year extension for Rex? 

hazard2012
hazard2012

@HarthorneWingoStarr


While you raise many obvious and valid points, the larger argument is also somewhat misleading.  It's never an either/or approach to building a winning team; nor can one organization necessarily follow the blueprint of another with equal success. 


Are the Jets as currently formed a Super Bowl contender?   Not really.   But they are closer than many think and, with their dominant front line and the tantalizing glimpse we've seen of Pryor, they could easily be a top three D if they had fixed the glaring CB problem.   Such a D could easily help make even a mediocre offense a perennial playoff team. 


Idzik could have eaten his cake and had it too...built a competitive, playoff caliber team now and a potential SB contender in the near future but chose to stay the course of his pre-determined approach.   Only time will tell if that approach will  work.   As of now, however, his failure to sign another top CB in FA when so many were available could undermine his larger agenda.        

harvlis
harvlis

Every team tries to win it all, every year. I am a rabid fan but, going in, we have as good a shot as anyone. Maybe, you think we have no shot. Our defensive front seven is very good and deep. Our QB situation is good. Our RB unit is as good as there is in the league. Our receiving corp is more than adequate. And, we have Rex. I do agree Idzik is building his way. Our team depth is much better than last season. A number of our final cuts will be good players.

harold
harold

@HarthoneWingoStarr

Preaching to the choir either way on this blog.

Those that believe in this strategy and those that think it is not much of a strategy.

RockyMountainJet
RockyMountainJet

@HarthorneWingoStarr We are still in the beginnings of year two of (what I suppose) is a three year plan to make this team a sustainable winner.


Those who want to draft to plug immediate holes probably forgot how the Tanny era ended.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan Earl Mitchell must have got the day off from Dolphins practice so he could hold the sled back for JJ.

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@Brendan You little son of a bitch sled! Why you don't you just go HOME? Are you too good for your HOME? ANSWER ME! SUCK MY WHITE ASS, SLED!


greggreen
greggreen

@Boozer32 so you wanted idzik to draft a wr 18th that didnt go until 39th? yes patterson did look awful but it was just the first preseason game. We all need to relax

Brendan
Brendan

@Boozer32 "We needed you to handle this offseason like you were playing Madden with unlimited cap and were going to just start over after one season." 

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@williamg1 

I think PRYOR better watch out for Hillis Williamg1. 

  Interested Jet 

bharper42
bharper42

@j3tsfan29 I agree with idzik re: CB in "let it play out on the field".  Rex is supposed to be a genius defensive guy so let him get them ready to play.  lankster, walls, patterson, wilson simply have to step up.


The more concerning issue for me is the WR.  outside decker and kerley it's the same cast of jags as it was last year.  Would it have killed him to draft mcdougal later and pick a better WR prospect than the sick guy, the shoulder guy, and the guy with a name we can't pronounce or havn't seen yet?


Best WR class in decades nad he drafts nothing.  


Unbelieveable.

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@j3tsfan29 So Geno Smith is now the best QB we've had in 10 years, yet you can believe in him after his season last year but not Milliner, Patterson, Lankster, Walls, et al...

Joe/Orlando
Joe/Orlando

@j3tsfan29 I'm the first person to say we didn't do enough to address CB this year but Idzik is not a "fool". It's a long term plan that involves decided to spend in some areas to address weaknesses (WR, QB) and not others (CB). You or I might disagree with his resource allocation in this one aspect but it doesn't mean it's a bad plan.


Besides, our CB play is probably going to be similar to what it was last year and we had a pretty good defense in spite of it. It's not the end of the world if the secondary is a little better or a little worse than last year.

WW85
WW85

@j3tsfan29 The CB situation is roughly the same as last year and our D was OK.  Womever starts opposite Milliner will be at least as good as Cro was last year--Cro was bad, so...Our safeties are better as well. Overall the secondary will be slightly better but we have a tougher schedule so it's a wash...

HarthorneWingoStarr
HarthorneWingoStarr

@williamg1 @HarthorneWingoStarr Personally I don't think it is fair to have only extended Rex one year. I think, like most new GMs, Idzik would like to name his own head coach but at the same time realizes that Rex might just be the right guy for the job. So I agree with you that there is seemingly an in-congruence in what I believe to be Idzik,s plan and the way in which he is handling Rex.

Ron Alexander
Ron Alexander

@hazard2012 @HarthorneWingoStarr Than you Harold. Yes the Izzy plan has its merits but flexibility must become a part of that plan and its the inflexibility Idzik displayed this off season that concerns me.There are times i get the impression he is more concerned about proving those who said he is a cap guy wrong than he is in putting a winning team on the field. Five or 6 of his picks in this years draft went significantly higher than most experts predicted and even some of his better choices like Dakota Dozier were picked in strange spots.Dozier actually went after Evans and Saunders in the 4th round in spite of the fact many publications had Dozier going as early as the 3rd round and both Evans and Saunders in the 5th or 6th round. Ditto the CB McDougal who was also mentioned as a 5th or 6th round value due to his injury history. Then the three LB's were pretty much picked in the exact opposite order most predicted so at some point it just seemed to me that Idzik was trying to re-invent the wheel?

HarthorneWingoStarr
HarthorneWingoStarr

@hazard2012 @HarthorneWingoStarr Other than Mevis I do not think any of the top-tier free agent corners were worth anywhere near what they were paid (especially in the case of Rogers-Cromartie). As far as the draft goes I was surprised as anyone that we did not pick Dennard (or some other corner) but in retrospect am delighted we took Pryor instead. The Jets obviously liked Amaro and he filled a need. I think they truly believed that McDougle was very talented and near pro-ready. And they might have been right but unfortunately McDougle went down with an unusual and non-preventable injury.

RockyMountainJet
RockyMountainJet

@harold There is tactical and there is strategy. Idzik has his strategy planned out in his head, and is trying to be tactical in the short term. Then there are those on this blog who believe in the Redskins front office strategy - buy free agents and hope to make the playoffs every year. That has not worked well for them, but that seems to be Dan Snyders strategy.


Balancing the tactics vs strategy is difficult in many jobs, not just sports. When the media/fans/stockholders/customers are expecting amazing short term and long term results, it takes patience, smarts, and a solid head on top of shoulders, to get that payoff.


Strategy = long term sustained success or going hyper aggressive in free agency every year to plug holes.

Tactics = FA signings, drafting need vs BPA.

williamg1
williamg1

@RockyMountainJet @HarthorneWingoStarr Wait a minute, if we are in a 3 year plan, then what's with the 1 year extension for Rex? 


I don't quite get why everyone is so certain of what Idzik's strategy is. I've heard this strategy change 5 times this offseason (going by the rationalizing around here). 

j3tsfan29
j3tsfan29

I said the first decent guy since pennington. The point was that cb not qb will be the bigger issue. Lankster walls had a chance last year to steal the starting gig. Milliner was benched three times. Wilson stayed in the slot. Yet none of them did. We drafted 2 cbs because walls and lankster were so good at their jobs. They tried to sign DRC and vontae Davis because walls and lankster were that good. Come on guys I love the jets but lets be real. Cb is a real problem.

j3tsfan29
j3tsfan29

Its foolish to have such a glaring need at cb and whiff on every cb in fa. And turn down revis simply because the owner said he's butthurt cause revis wants money.

And then tell fans he has no regrets.

Brendan
Brendan

@Joe/Orlando Yeesh, let's hope the secondary play isn't a little worse than last year, because it was pretty turrible last year. 

Paul Newbold
Paul Newbold

@WW85 @j3tsfan29 It is the same group as last year..result....22nd against the pass! That isn't ok....its terrible!


Rudibager
Rudibager

@WW85 @j3tsfan29 Agreed.  Hopefully our offense has improved enough to get us over the hump and win a couple more games than last year.

bobbyj
bobbyj

Yeah & as of today, no starting CB"s

Bent
Bent moderator

@j3tsfan29 Don't agree with any of this really.


Lankster NEVER got a chance last year.  He had a great camp and preseason but played 30 snaps on defense and Rex has admitted this was because they were reluctant to risk him because he was so important to the special teams.


While Walls did get a chance, he played at a starter level when he did but Milliner came back into the line-up because the team obviously felt his development was most important.  Judging by how he finished the year and how he looked in the first preseason game, that was smart.


The two cornerbacks they drafted were guys NOBODY thought would be immediate contributors, suggesting they ARE comfortable with what's on the roster.


Finally, had they signed Vontae, then they wouldn't have tried to sign DRC.  Had they signed DRC then they wouldn't have signed Patterson.  So, either way, Walls and Lankster's spot in the rotation would be totally unchanged and that doesn't reflect at all on the organization's confidence in them.  In fact, constantly talking them up and not rushing out to get a veteran off the streets speaks to the confidence they do have in those guys.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se While Hank & Fonzie take it to silly levels, there is absolutely truth to the idea that DL's make mediocre secondaries look better. 

Brendan
Brendan

@bobbyj They have starting CB's, they aren't playing defense with 9 guys out there. 

Paul Newbold
Paul Newbold

@Brendan @a57se DL is monstrous. That being said offenses will kill us with the quick slant and the short ball game, negating the pass rush...which has been rather vanilla this preseason btw...

Paul Newbold
Paul Newbold

@Brendan @a57se DL is monstrous! That being said, opposing offenses will kill us with the quick slants and the short ball, negating the pass rush. Same as last season I'm afraid.

j3tsfan29
j3tsfan29

I posted and reloaded this thread and my comment dissapeared. That said, our d line is the same dline as last yr. and we had the 30th ranked pass defense. Even Wilkerson said if they can't press or slow them down then there's no point in pass rushing. The dline can't stop quick passes or screens or even deep throws if we face a really good o line. I'm not saying we should close shop but we can't honestly let it play out. Atleast not if we want to improve on 8-8.

greggreen
greggreen

@Brendan @a57se that is assuming they can get to the QB. and we have seen that teams will Max protect and pick on the secondary

@Paul Newbold @Brendan @a57se What if Pryor knocks someone out of the game in the first series on a slant? Something tells me there will be a lot of dropped balls after that..

Brendan
Brendan

@Paul Newbold I disagree. The team is using tight press coverage (something Cro wouldn't do last year) and will use that in addition to their DL to generate pressure. If it's taking a WR a second or more to break off the line, those quick-passing games won't work. 


I have to think that's been a big focus of camp, getting good presses at the LOS. 


And another thing they did to change their fortunes in the pass rush: get more pass rushers. They now have a literal stable of pass rushers. They'll have the advantage of rotating guys in constantly and keeping players fresh while the OL wears down. Imagine how difficult it is to block a fresh Jason Babin when you're in the 4th quarter after dealing with him, Pace, McIntyre, Richardson, Wilkerson, Davis and whoever else is lining up and smashing into him for the entire game. 


Advantage: Jets. 

Brendan
Brendan

@j3tsfan29 " That said, our d line is the same dline as last yr."


Oh, so you don't expect Richardson, Wilkerson, Coples, Harrison, Ellis, Barnes or Dooz to improve? You don't think adding Babin will help the pass rush? 


C'mon man. 

Brendan
Brendan

@greggreen I'll bet on the Jets if teams spend most of their time passing from max protect. 

@Brendan @Paul Newbold Completely agree. Cannot ignore the fact that AA experimenting at corner is probably mainly due to the fact that hes physical at the LOS. How many times was it said prior to both games so far that Rex was throwing people to the fire at corner with no help? Will guys get burned this year? Yeah it's inevitable but with a game-to-game specific scheme each week, exotic blitzes, help in coverage and a roaming executioner out there I really don't think the cornerback issue is going to be as problematic as everyone seems to think

Paul Newbold
Paul Newbold

@Brendan @Paul Newbold Ellis Lankster isn't playing man coverage, he was so far off the receivers during the Bengals game, he couldn't be seen in the photos! Allen plays better man coverage, but was beat easily by Green. Allen led the Jets D in tight end coverage last season, but this is a whole new position, facing top NFL receivers, this duo will be burnt toast!

Unfortunate injuries have decimated this group! This is basically the same group that ranked 22nd in the league against the pass...they need more them a pass rush, they need a corner!

j3tsfan29
j3tsfan29

I think they have improved yes. But to say they will become the ny sack exchange and that third string cbs will be good enough is foolish. They are an awesome front 7. If we woulda swallowed our pride signed revis with milliner at the other cb spot, and Wilson/Patterson in the slot this defense would be hard to score on. Instead we get an awesome front seven that will be a wash because our cbs can't stop a nosebleed.

Brendan
Brendan

@Paul Newbold Ellis plays man, though. He does some zone work and off-man stuff when Rex is working in his secondary traps, but he's a very physical corner for someone his size. I think you're referring to a specific play that Bent highlighted, but that's not how he plays all the time. 


Allen played remarkably well for a non-corner. His style could serve the team well in instances where there are big, physical WR's the team has to cover. Allen's able to match up with those types of players and neutralize them for long stretches, that could be huge. 

harold
harold

@Paul Newbold

You are taking one clip and saying Lankster does not play man?

You are showing very little knowledge of Lankster's playing style.  He plays a lot of press man to man coverage.

If you make comments at least use more than one post game clip to support your premise.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Paul Newbold @Brendan


Actually Lankster is renowned for being a press-man cover corner.  That's his game.  The fact he was able to perform well playing mostly off coverage on Saturday is important because whoever starts across from Milliner needs to be able to do that.

Brendan
Brendan

@j3tsfan29 Lankster isn't a 3rd string CB, he's a 2nd string CB. 


I'm not entertaining anymore of this Revis BS. He's a dck, he never tried to get back in the team's good graces, he just used them for leverage to go to their biggest rival. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Lloyd Jay Reife No he didn't, because that isn't the Jets D that teams are going to see when it counts. 

Paul Newbold
Paul Newbold

@harold he wasn't playing press against the Bengals. Watch the film. I do know its his game, but let's face it he's been anything but consistent in his time with the Jets.


harold
harold

@Bent

I just posted this my computer is a little slower I guess.

Bent
Bent moderator


@Paul Newbold @harold The only thing that's been inconsistent about Lankster has been his playing time - and that's not been driven by his own performance.

Brendan
Brendan

@Paul Newbold Anything but consistent? When he's played CB, he's done it well. He hasn't consistently played the position due to the team's needs on special teams, so if that's what you mean than I'd agree.