Impact players: Veteran presence

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

Over the next few days, we’re going to take a look at some key Jets players this season centered around a themes.  First up, we’ll look at five veterans who will need to have an important impact for this Jets team to fly high in 2014.

D’Brickashaw Ferguson (LT) – Ferguson came under fire for his play last year, but it bears mentioning that the Jets didn’t field a strong group of blocking tight ends to Brick’s left side and opponents were pinpointing attacking the left guard position on Ferguson’s right side.  Brick was exposed in an effort to help Vlad Ducasse and then Brian Winters.  Once Winters started to get his feet under him (literally) Ferguson demonstrated that he is still capable of great play, as his November 2013 game against the Bills Mario Williams.  If the Jets can settle in with some solid play from Winters at the left guard spot, it might go easier for Ferguson.  If they promote a backup like Oday Aboushi or Dakota Dozier, it might go harder for Brick.

Dawan Landry

What will Landry’s role be for the 2014 Jets?

Dawan Landry (S) — Landry might not start for the Jets again this season, but we expect that he will still be a key contributor to the team in both the meeting room and as backup and package player.  We wrote extensively on what the Jets might do with the Big Nickel this year, and we expect that Landry would play the more traditional strong safety role while Antonio Allen would flex out into the hybrid linebacker/safety spot that would better counter the two tight end and spread style offenses that are increasingly popular around the league.

Calvin Pace (DL/LB) — Pace had 10 sacks a year ago, the first time in his long career that he’s ever hit the double digit mark.  Pace’s impact this year has much less to do with his sack totals. We expect players like Quinton Coples or Antwan Barnes to pick up more pass rushing duties, but it comes back to his traditional area of strength, setting the edge for the defense.  A few months ago, Chris Nimbley wrote an excellent article for Jets Insider in which Bart Scott explains how valuable Pace was to the defense.  It is a must-read for anyone who struggles with understanding how crucial Pace’s role has been to this defense.

Dmitri Patterson (CB) — New to the team this year, Patterson is the likely second starter at corner across from Dee Milliner.  Rex Ryan has always stressed the importance of good press cornerbacks and this will be Rex’s first season without both Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie as parts of his scheme.  The Jets look like they have solid depth at corner and Milliner played some scorching football in December of 2013, but at present it looks like they lack that lockdown player for the first time in five years.  Can Patterson hold the fort for the Jets? Can he stay healthy?

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Johnson’s impact could be felt over the whole offense.

Chris Johnson (RB) — Johnson might be closer to the end of his NFL days than the beginning, but his durability and productivity despite playing for one of the league’s worst offensive lines in the last five years makes us think that the Jets buying CJ on the margins might have been a wise investment.  Johnson has the potential to be a productive runner, but also adds a dynamic pass-catching element out of the backfield the Jets haven’t had since LaDainian Tomlinson.  Tight ends and running backs are a young quarterback’s best friends when the signal caller gets into trouble.

Beyond Johnson’s potential for boosting the Jets offensive production from the backfield, the former Titan also makes it harder for opponents to scheme the team’s other offensive weapons (like say Eric Decker) exclusively.  Johnson’s addition added an element of “pick your poison” for opposing defensive coordinators that has been missing from the Jets offense for more than three years.

 




115 comments
a57se
a57se

Say it ain't so!!!

JB Shugarts has been cut by the Lions!!!

kniff
kniff

Basset brings up an interesting point here, in that we didn't feature much TE blocking to bolster the struggling LG situation last year, and Brick and Mangold I'm sure felt that frequently...


Word on the blog is that Sudfeld actually offers up the most here, and has indeed improved on his already strong blocking skillset. Perhaps Amaro can offer Marty up some options in this regard as well...


williamg1
williamg1

I'm surprised Ed Reed wasn't included in this article. I guess you're actually waiting for us to sign him first. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se I think you'll find that the Lions have been cut from JB Shugarts.

jsadolph
jsadolph

@UncleJoesJetFarm 

That's why it is good to live in Kansas.  When they start attacking here, were all screwed.

jetlife
jetlife

@jsadolph "That's why it is good to live in Kansas."


.....said no one ever.

juunit
juunit

@Wilkershakes @williamg1 

If he does come back, it was always going to be after training camp. So his not signing yet is meaningless. 

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Wilkershakes @Tequila Joe @williamg1 No, he's not.

Wilkershakes
Wilkershakes

@juunit @Wilkershakes @williamg1 Yup.   Would they really keep Landry and Reed on the team together?  Or let Landry go in place of signing Reed?  That wouldn't be great timing for Landry.  

jsadolph
jsadolph

@Wilkershakes @juunit @williamg1 

We were talking about this the other day.  Could you really keep Reed, Landry, Pryor, Allen and Bush.  I like Jarett and I have heard good things about Miles and Hardin, but I don't see any of them making it.  If we bring back Reed, one of the two of Bush or Landry will be a casualty.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Wilkershakes @Tequila Joe In all seriousness the Jet's might sign Reed, but let's be clear the player formerly and currently known as Ed Reed is no more. He may look like him, smell like him and carry his credentials, but make no mistake about it, that's not Ed Reed.

juunit
juunit

@jsadolph 

Good chance Bush gets cut IMO. He's done nothing so far. 

Wilkershakes
Wilkershakes

@jsadolph Sorry I missed it.  I've been tuned out from commenting on TJB lately.  Work and %hit.  


I just think they let Landry go then.  Give him an opportunity to get playing time elsewhere and save money.  I'd be in favor of that too.

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe 2014 Ed Reed is still better than the majority of safeties in the NFL. 

jsadolph
jsadolph

@juunit @jsadolph 

I could see it going either way.  If Reed is here then we would already have a veteran presence and Landry would be expendable and we could just roll with the younger Bush in the #4 spot.  But at this point in their carreers Landry is probably better and we could cut Bush.  Wouldn't be mad either way.

juunit
juunit

@jsadolph @juunit 

I'd rather keep Landry. He's a starting level player and Bush hasn't even cemented himself as a backup. We've got Miles as the young guy with potential. Bush has had his chance and failed to capitalize as far as I'm concerned. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe He's not on anyone's roster right now by choice. He's waiting because he doesn't want to go through the entire offseason and training camp. 

jsadolph
jsadolph

@juunit @jsadolph 

I am intrested in Miles.  I hadn't heard much of him before mini camp and I am ready to see him Training Camp.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Brendan @Tequila Joe If the Jet's do sign him I hope he spends most of his time in the box because at this point there are some free range chickens that could cover more ground.

juunit
juunit

@jsadolph @juunit 

If I remember correctly he was held back in training camp last year, but the team still liked him. So it'll be interesting to see where he's at this year. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe Um, that's pretty much the exact opposite of the truth. I have no idea where this idea came from that Reed can't cover, but it's insane and not true. 

Wilkershakes
Wilkershakes

@juunit @Wilkershakes @jsadolph The coaching staff must see something.  And I do see the value in keeping a veteran, but I don't think keeping Landry in this theoretical scenario really hurts the secondary much at all.  Also saves money too and shows some loyalty (not sure the word I'm going for) to a veteran to get playing time on another team.  

Brendan
Brendan

@UncleJoesJetFarm Stop with the third person stuff, please. 


And if the Jets don't sign him that doesn't prove your belief that he's slow, fyi. Using that as your criteria isn't logical. 

tish
tish

And I assume you know a good bush when you see it.

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe Teams didn't target Reed while he was on the Jets. 4 targets with 3 catches surrendered and zero TD's with three interceptions in seven games, which tied him for the leader on the team. He had as many INT's as catches surrendered. He played well against the run and played a good deep safety that freed up Milliner to make his huge jump at the end of the season. 


Acting like he was anything but a positive to the team last year is ignoring the truth of the matter. 

Brendan
Brendan

@UncleJoesJetFarm "the Jets want to get younger and faster at the position"


Every time you say this you ignore the fact that Dawan Landry exists on this team's roster. 


Rich Cimini has batted 1.000 so far this offseason, so sure let's assume he's spot on with his unsubstantiated rumor. 

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Brendan @UncleJoesJetFarm Oh, now you agree that Dawan is old and slow. Didn't we have an argument where you supported the contrary...

Brendan
Brendan

@UncleJoesJetFarm "watch the film" Don't tell me to do something you haven't done. 


I've provided stats and videos to support my stance, you just keep repeating yourself without showing anything that supports what you're saying. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe No, don't project Joey's thinking on me. I don't think Landry or Reed are too old. They also play different positions, so Landry being slower is more acceptable as an in-the-box safety while Reed is a CF/deep coverage FS.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Brendan @UncleJoesJetFarm "Videos" Did you see Reed's in that Raven's game when Flacco took it deep and Reed was out of position. The old Ed Reed would have never let that happen.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Brendan @Tequila Joe We had a whole discussion about this. This is when I made the case that the Jets should draft Calvin Pryor because we needed an upgrade at safety and you completely censured me about it. I know you remember. Don't be cray Brendan, it's ok to lose an argument sometimes.

Brendan
Brendan

@UncleJoesJetFarm Many analysts did not say this, please show me where they did. 


Milliner got torched, he was the player marking Jones man-to-man. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe You mean the play where Dee let Jones, one of the fastest players in the entire NFL, a free sprint off the LOS? That was Dee's fault, not Reed's. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Which argues something I'm not even saying. The article says the Jets aren't interested, I'm not saying they are, I'm arguing the belief that Reed is slow and not worth picking up for any team. 


Whatever, Reed can ride off into the sunset as the best safety ever or he can come back for one last run. He's earned the right to milk what I presume to be his last offseason. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe What are you talking about, Joe? My posts are consistent. I was okay with Reed & Landry remaining on, yes. I am now still okay with Landry being on, but would be okay with replacing him with Reed. You're acting like my past posts contradict what I'm saying now, but they're not. 

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Brendan @Tequila Joe Reed is the safety, he's supposed to be there to protect the corners when that happens. Hence the name safety. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe  Oh, well isn't that quite the convenient over-simplification. Safeties and defenses do a lot of different things. I don't think "letting the speedy deep threat run free down the field like he's sprinting a 100m" is one of them, though, and Reed isn't the one responsible for that. 


Reed did something he almost never does, he lost a ball in the air, and he misplayed it. You act like his speed was an issue, he overran the pass. 

harold
harold

@UncleJoesJetFarm@Brendan

You realize on that play Rex already said it was Dee assignment and Reed came over to help.  Dee was responsible for his deep third and let his man run right through his area without laying a finger on him.  Reed saw it and came over but lost the ball in the air.

Please let not act as though he got burned on the play he did not.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Jets lost to the Ravens in Week 12 last year, 19-3. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe No, I'm a fan of having one of the best cover safeties in the league (still) being on the Jets' roster to a) be one of the best cover safeties in the league and b) mentor the young players. 


The idea that Reed can no longer hack it is not based in fact, that's all. You and Joey can scream it from the mountaintops, but it's just not true yet. 

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@harold Brendan, It's a microcosm...

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@harold In who's third was that ball caught? In addition, nobody said he got burned but he looked old and slow reacting.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

You're right...I thought he was talking about the Texans game...I am runnning simulations between reading posts...I should stick to one thing at a time!

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe 


Somehow, Joe Flacco was able to find Jacoby Jones for a 66-yard scoring pass, even with cornerback Dee Milliner and Reed in the immediate vicinity.


Jets coach Rex Ryan said "that one's kind of a 'Ripley's Believe It or Not.' "


It appeared Reed was unable to locate the ball in the air, but Ryan said, "I'm not going to pin it on any one individual. Certainly not on one guy. Certainly not Ed Reed. He'd probably be third on that list, in all honesty."


http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/new-york-jets-safety-ed-reed-loses-to-baltimore-ravens-again-1.6490807

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Eh, that game was so ugly I've kind of deleted it from my memory anyway. 

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Brendan @a57se The only thing I remember from that game is Reed looking lost on that particular play and Geno making a catch (I think Cribbs threw it).

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Brendan @Tequila Joe Like I said earlier if the Jets want to bring him in to be more of in the box safety (SS) and to mentor Calvin I'm cool with that. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe Of course you dismiss the guy who knows more about the defense he called than we do. If that's the case, you're going to believe what you want no matter what. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe You are only seeing a fraction of that play that involves Reed and Dee. 


As Harold said below, they were in deep thirds and Dee let a track star sprint freely off the line. Reed's awareness had him in a position that most safeties wouldn't have even made it to, but he misjudged the ball. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe Pryor isn't going to be an in-the-box safety. Like you said, he's going to be this team's Ed Reed, which means he's going to be a do-it-all safety. 

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Brendan @Tequila Joe When did I say Cal would be an in the box safety? I said I would be ok with Ed making the transition to SS because at this point his cover skills are not what they used to be. 

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@a57se @Brendan @Tequila Joe Brendan, can you please change your profile pick. Mangold is my favorite player and you're ruining him for me. If you don't I may have to start speaking in the third person. lol

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe If I'm watching soccer and I think a goal was given up primarily because of Player X, but someone who has played soccer for years and coached it at an elite level for longer tells me it's actually Players Y and Z who are to blame moreso than Player X, I trust that expertise over my own eyes. 

I don't get why people are are so steadfast in their "eye test" analysis. 

a57se
a57se

@Tequila Joe 

The strong safety draws the coverage assignments...the free safety provides over the top support for the CB's...

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe Oh, I read that as coming in to mentor him as an in the box safety. 


But, again, Reed's strong suit at this point is still coverage, so if they did sign him it'd be to play mostly deep safety. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe Well, now we have a different problem...there's only room enough for one Mangold fanboy 'round these parts. INTO THE THUNDERDOME. 

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Brendan @Tequila Joe I meant mentor him in general and especially at what it takes to play FS in Rex's system but I do expect Cal to play in multiple spots.

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe He does, but X's and O's stuff like this I trust him more than the "this guy's looking great!" stuff. 


He called the defense, it's his squad, and while Reed is his brother from another mother, but all signs point to it being more Dee's fault than Reed's.