Jets eyeing quarterbacks in the NFL Draft?

Could the Jets address the quarterback spot in this week’s upcoming draft?  It’s a possibility, according to Brian Costello of the NY Post.

The Jets have shown some interest in a few of the quarterbacks who may go in the middle and late rounds. They had Eastern Illinois’ Jimmy Garoppolo, Pittsburgh’s Tom Savage and Virginia Tech’s Logan Thomas in for visits. They have also been to visit Clemson’s Tajh Boyd to work him out.

Boyd is an interesting name to watch. Jets coach Rex Ryan knows him well because his son Seth plays for Clemson. Ryan spent a lot of time with Boyd at the Senior Bowl in January and has seen him play a ton while watching his son’s games.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

With as many draft picks as the Jets have this year, it’s not that surprising that they would consider their longer-term options.  Matt Simms had a good August in 2013, but didn’t distinguish himself last fall when he replaced Geno and Mike Vick will be here for a year or two … but then what?

All those quarterbacks are interesting to me, but I expect Garoppolo and Savage to go before the Jets would realistically address the spot.  While the Tajh Boyd connection is interesting, it’s Logan Thomas who is the most intriguing as an athlete and player, to me personally.  Greg Cosell recently wrote about Thomas at length.




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jdb4
jdb4

What day is the "Annual Jets Blog Draft Picks projection contest?"

_BPP_
_BPP_

The guy at the draft shouting "We want Teddy" if he is still there at 18...that will be me

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Anyone but Obj in the first. Dude has bust written all over him

harvlis
harvlis

This interest in a QB is a set up, for draft purposes. They are invested in Geno.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

ESPN  "The Jets are engaging in a ridiculous game of semantics with regard to the quarterback position. They refuse to say Geno Smith is the starter, but they talk about him as if he's the starter."


"This may sound like a small thing, but it sends a mixed message, blurring the lines in a quarterback competition (are we allowed to call it that?) that could turn into a controversy. "

Kyle Suta
Kyle Suta

A little mock for you guys to chew on

Round 1: WR Brandin Cooks Oregon State

Round 2: S Deone Bucannon Washington State

Round 3: TE CJ Fiedorowicz Iowa

Round 4: ILB Yawin Smallwood UConn

Round 4: G Trai Turner LSU

Round 4: CB Phillip Gaines Rice

Eddy Lopez
Eddy Lopez

1st rd Cooks

2nd rd Amaro

3rd rd Donte Moncrief 

4th rd Philip Gaines 

5th Rd Taj Boyd


What you fellas think? Go Jets!!!

Kyle Suta
Kyle Suta

The article about rookie corners is a good read and very true. Yeah, a full offseason would've helped milliner but he still would've struggled. You're telling me that Dennard or any corner the jets draft in the 1st round won't struggle against Alshon Jeffery Randall Cobb or Golden Tate? The jets best bet is to draft OBJ if he's there or Cooks. Even if they don't have great stats they will help Eric decker out tremendously. Draft a corner on day 3 and develop him so he can be ready like Byron maxwell was. Just like a first round corner he won't be any good til the end of the season anyway.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan


Well, at least I have the Rangers and (probably for not much longer) the Nets to distract from this repetitive draft talk.  Is it Thursday yet?  So we can move on from arguing about who the Jets should draft to b1tching about who they did draft?

a57se
a57se

Here are some interesting stats about the Jets offense since 2009.......I offer them as fact and leave the interpretation to you.


2009 NY Jets 17th in scoring RB's caught 36 passes out of 196 completions (18.4%) and rushed the ball 533 times.

2010 NY Jets 13th in scoring RB's caught 78 passes out of 278 completions (28%) and rushed the ball 556 times.

2011 NY Jets 13th in scoring RB's caught 88 passes out of 308 completions (28.6%) and rushed the ball 397 times.

2012 NY Jets 28th in scoring RB's caught 44 passes out of 246 completions (17.9%) and rushed the ball 424 times.

2013 NY Jets 29th in scoring RB's caught 53 passes out of 247 completions (21.5%) and rushed the ball 406 times.


All stats are from Pro Football Reference...

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/2013.htm

WW85
WW85

Walking my dog Saturday morning and I run into a guy with LSU cap walking his. So I ask him about OBJ and Landry. He said that most LSU fans feel that Landry is a better football player and he made OBJ better. But he also said OBJ was pretty awesome. So absolutely nothing insiteful to add except we need this draft to get here already.

a57se
a57se

@harvlis  

Yeah, they are gaming teams about late round picks!

jdb4
jdb4

@Kyle Suta  

No way Gaines lasts that long into the forth.  He had terrific speed and a 3 cone drill at the combine. His tape is solid.  

Latest he goes is mid third

Kyle Suta
Kyle Suta

You're trading up for Amaro right? He's not gonna be there at 49.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@Kyle Suta  


This is way I think Idzik won't take a CB in the first round.   He probably feels he's got enough in the secondary to hold the fort until a mid-round pick develops into a starter.   


Think he's looking for more immediate impact from the first pick...a WR, TE or OL who could contribute day one even with a rookie learning curve.  

a57se
a57se

@sir_manolo  

By playing crappy and finally having his production scrutinized?

WW85
WW85

@Brendan  Reason 12006 that the draft is way too late this year.

Pete 57
Pete 57

What I see is that when you can run the ball effectively it opens up the offense.

maynard
maynard

@a57se Seems to me with Johnson, Ivory and Powell/Goodson/Rookie as 3 RB's we should be looking at a repeat of 2010 with a 55-45 run pass ratio . Kinda why I'd love to get a rookie TE who can block like crazy and also catch, not just another speedster TE. I also think we should look to bolster Interior OL with camp cuts if any upgrades are available, resting on out 3 rooks from last year makes me nervous 

a57se
a57se

Some more facts about this subject:


2009 RB's Thomas Jones, Greene, Leon Washington, Danny Woodhead, Richardson

2010 RB's Tomlinson, Greene, McKnight, Conner, Richardson

2011 RB's Shonn Greene, L. Tomlinson, Joe McKnight, Bilal Powell, John Conner

2012 RB's Shonn Greene, Bilal Powell, Lex Hilliard, Joe McKnight, Khalil Bell

2013 RB's Chris Ivory, Bilal Powell, Alex Green, Mike Goodson, Tommy Bohanon

idothis2
idothis2

@a57se one of the reasons i hoped the jets could get sproles

bradysucks
bradysucks

Landry is the guy the Jets need

OBJ has a lot of upside though

I think Reefer would like Lee or Cooks - both of whom had MANY good games in college

Eddy Lopez
Eddy Lopez

@Kyle Suta  No, if he is not there go for Jordan Mathews in the 2nd and Niklas or Fiedorowicz in the 3rd rd.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@Kyle Suta  


He must be trading up for Moncrief, too.  He might be gone in the first round the way he's been climbing.   

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  Offensive ranks: 


2009 - 20

2010 - 11

2011 - 25

2012 - 30

2013 - 25

dabronx
dabronx

@DrJonathanReefer  


I also like my first round pick receiver to lead his own collegiate team in Rec and TD's...  which he has not. OBJ is overrated. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @DarrolRayFanClub  

I'm pretty sure the fact the Jets started Geno day one and played him in 16 games isn't exactly coddling.  

Maybe getting him Decker and CJ and maybe another WR in the draft as well as a TE,  MM can call plays that imitate an NFL offense.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se

I was referring to a UK garage musician......

#fastonthedraw!

a57se
a57se

@Pete 57  

I don't think this whole specialization thing on offense is as effective either.

A RB who is a threat in the running game and passing game is 10 times more valuable then a one-dimensional back. One of the reasons I was so against the Ivory move.

A TE who can block AND makes plays in the passing game is better then a one dimensional guy as well.........my reason behind not liking Ebron, Amaro or ASJ in this draft.

If I can put the same 11 guys on the field and be very good at passing OR running with them, THAT is the IDEAL to me.

 

 

Pete 57
Pete 57

Now you are getting into something I feel has been lost in the NFL. My favorite Jet OC was Joe Walton. Bad HC but great OC. He was very aggressive, and he had really good to great skill players. Back then offenses didn't try to hide what they could do. From the first game of the season they displayed all the different ways they could beat you. In effect making the opposing defense have to prepare for all of it. I like that approach better than the way teams try to "trick" each other now. I think the "here's what we got, try and stop us" approach also helps an offense to get into groove much quicker in the season.

a57se
a57se

@Pete 57  

Yes and Chris Johnson may have a similar impact that Tomlinson did if he can do more out of the backfield from a receiving standpoint.

Powell caught 38 balls last season but he was never terribly effective in that role.

Pete 57
Pete 57

Right. So it comes down to can the Jets have an offense that sets up the run by passing effectively or vice versa. I think at this point it will be easier for this roster to have an offense that runs the ball to set up the pass.

a57se
a57se

@idothis2  

Very good point, they drafted TWO RB's in one draft a couple years back because they weren't going to resign Woodhead and BGE wasn't a pass catching threat. Most of your top offenses have Good pass catchers coming out of the backfield.

Pete 57
Pete 57

No doubt that is important. I agree we need a good pass catching option out of the backfield. I personally hope they make sure we have a top o line first.

idothis2
idothis2

@a57se @Pete 57 

there's a reason why the Pats make sure they have a kevin faulk or now a shane vereen. a pass catching rb is just as friendly to a qb as a te

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@a57se @Pete 57 I think the data you posted is too noisy and too dependent on other factors. But it's common sense that having receiving threats out of the backfield helps the offense.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@a57se @Hazard2012  


Of course Rex is a D-minded coach...its in his DNA.  But a HC is accountable for the whole team, and has got to take an interest in D, O and ST.   


Not sure of his exact words, but he admitted he didn't devote as much time as he should have to what was going on on O.. That was in the aftermath of the debacle that was Sparano.   I agree with that self-assessment.   


I'm not saying Rex should be calling plays on O, but he needs to know what's going on with it and be on the same page as his OC...and that clearly wasn't the case with Schotty at times or with Sparano period.   


I'm not heaping all the blame on the last three years on Rex, but I'm not exempting him from it, either.   We know Rex is a top-notch DC, but it remains to be seen if he's a top-notch HC.   Idzik may have doubts, too, which might be why Rex only got the one year extension.   It's a fair question.   

a57se
a57se

@Hazard2012 @a57se 

Rex has always been a defensive coach. He let his O'coordinator do his job just like Brian Billick let Rex do his in Baltimore. That WAS smart coaching.

The Jets drafted Mark Sanchez, Shonn Greene, Dustin Keller, Scotty McKnight, Joe Mcknight,  Bilal Powell, Terrence Gannaway, Jordan White, Stephen Hill and Greg McElroy between 2008 and 2012.

Tell me which ones were keepers and quality draft picks?

We also acquired Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes and LaDanian Tomlinson.

We spent PLENTY of resources on offense.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@a57se @Hazard2012  


Of course he did.  He said he hadn't devoted enough time/attention to the offense in a press conference, and that that was one of the things he needed to change and improve moving forward.   Same press conference that he said he realized his bravado and guarantees was hurting the team.      

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@a57se @Hazard2012  


Valid point, but Rex admitted he virtually abandoned the entire O to focus entirely on D...that's not what a HC does.   I think he's learned and now is a coach of the whole team, and the whole team is better for it.


Players aren't the only rookie's who go through a learning curve.  It's true of coaches, too.  

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@a57se @Hazard2012  


I think his disinterest in the O and almost exclusive focus on the D...which he himself admitted to... contributed to the decline, yes.   Trader Tann was also to blame, but as HC you have to own the whole team, not just a part of it.   

a57se
a57se

@Hazard2012 @a57se 

Your posts seem to say that Rex was the reason for the decline, we don't agree on that.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@a57se @Hazard2012  


See...we agree, after-all!   The quality of ...you name it on O...declined.    That's all I was saying. 


But it's already begun to improve this FAcy, and will continue to in this draft.    That's exciting, because with a D as good as ours---and getting better --- we don't need the Greatest Show on Turf to win.     

a57se
a57se

@Hazard2012 @a57se 

and that had to do with limiting Tomlinsons rep because of his age and SHonn Greenes lack of agility........The QUALITY of the RB's declined.....

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@a57se @Hazard2012  


True, but part of the reason behind the increasing TO's was the confused schemes on O (and in Sanchez's head) and the increasing reliance on the passing game; due at least in part to the fact they couldn't run as effectively and play ball control the way they had in years prior when Mark was most effective.   



a57se
a57se

@Hazard2012 @a57se 

The Offense scored better in 2011 than any other season under Rex...Sanchez was actually 8th in the league with 32 TD's....26 passing and 6 running.

The big problem in 2011 was the turnovers at the end of the season by Sanchez and the Defense wasn't as good as it had been in 2010 or 2009.........

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@a57se  


My miscue re LT and Jones.  You're correct, but I still stand by my central point that the O declined after 2010 because of an erosion of talent and constant change in OC's, etc.   


Look at your own stats above, and look at the record.   Can't see how or why one would argue that the O was awful and ugly in both 2012-2013...and it started to unravel in 2010.  

a57se
a57se

@hazard2012 @a57se 

The production of Tomlinson-Greene in 2010 was better than Jones-Greene in 2009.

Jones-Greene had 1942 yards rushing and 58 yards receiving for a total of 2000 yards from scrimmage

Tomlinson Greene put up 1680 Yards rushing and 488 receiving yards for a total of 2168 yards from scrimmage.

Jones-Greene scored more TD's 16-8 but tghat is easily accounted for in Sanchez' numbers.....2009 Sanchez had 12 passing and 3 running TD's while in 2010 he had 20 passing TD's and 3 running TD's.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@a57se @Hazard2012 @Brendan  


Agree re LT, but the O was better with him and Jones than when it was LT and Green.   Decline on the OL also pronounced, losing Kendell, Woody, etc. because of Tanny's numbers games.   And the constant change of OC's didn't help Sanchez any.   


The ability to run the ball consistently well clearly declined by 2011, because neither the backs nor the line was as good as in prior two years.   In 2012 and 2013 the O was largely as non-existent as it was embarrassing.   Holmes added as many problems as he solved, when he played, and Bray's window of being effective was also narrow, and minimal, because of injuries and the lack of talent around him.   


Look at the numbers.  Look at the record.  To me that's a steady decline...and the offensive team fielded last year wasn't as good as a lot of colleges.   

a57se
a57se

@Hazard2012 @Brendan 

I don't think the part about the O steadily declining is accurate.

The Offense was better in 2010 and 2011 vs. 2009 and one of the BIggest differences was the acquisition of L. Tomlinson. He gave the Jets a viable threat out of the backfield that Jones never could provide and that Leon couldn't because of injury. We also picked up Edwards and Holmes during that time that you say the offense was ignored.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@Brendan @Hazard2012  


No, but if you had the front line he inherited and a back like Jones on the roster you'd opt to run the rock, too...especially with a rookie QB.   His ability to do that well was built entirely on the pieces Mangini and Tanny put in place.  


I don't mean this as a knock on Rex.  It isn't. Like I said...dealt the hand he was I'd play it that way, too.   


But it's also a fact that Rex neglected the O in favor of the D, and that the talent on O steadily declined every year.   That's as much Rex's fault as it was Mr. T's.   

Brendan
Brendan

@Hazard2012 That doesn't change the fact that Rex's offense wasn't dictated to him by Mangini. 

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@Brendan @Hazard2012  


Was talking about the roots of 'ground & pound' stemming from the OL Mangini-Tanny assembled, not Favre which, like Tebow, I always thought was a Woody move.       

Brendan
Brendan

@Hazard2012 Whoa. "Largely because of who he inherited from Mangini?" They went from Favre to Sanchez, if they kept Favre they weren't going to run it 40 times a game. 

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@a57se @Hazard2012  


And a long way from it since.   At least they had some weapons and an identity in Rex's early tenure, largely because of the people he inherited from Mangini.   Then Mr. T started getting cute and Rex went to sleep at the O wheel.   


That's where I think Rex has grown as a head coach...and where Idzik is a much better counterweight to his whims and fondness for defensive players than was Tanny.   I think Tanny gave Rex whatever he wanted, whereas Idzik seems to have no problem saying 'No!'    

a57se
a57se

@Hazard2012

Well according to the stats I presented, the Jets WERE TOP-15 in scoring in 2010 and 2011......

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@a57se @1969JAN12th  


You don't need stats to tell you the Jet offense has steadily declined during Rex's tenure, and it wasn't a thing of beauty under Mangini. 


Talent at skill positions has eroded via neglect and poor drafts, ditto the quality of the OL, too many OC's, too few weapons, too predictable play-calling, and that doesn't even touch on the let's say erratic QB play.   


But what's past is prologue.  Think Rex has finally realized you have to actually score points to win games, and MM is a clear cut-above Schotty and Sparano.   


Get another WR, a top TE, and a DAT or Archer in this draft and the O turns the corner.  Add a road grader and I actually think it cracks the top 15, maybe even the top 12.     

a57se
a57se

@1969JAN12th  

Is that what you got out of those stats? It is not about WHO is catching the ball but WHO is throwing it?

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@Brendan @a57se  That's about 17 different RBs that 57 has listed. As we've dissected on TJB for years; it's not who is catching the ball.....it's whose throwing the ball. The offensive ranks will jump dramatically if Geno/Vick has the kind of season we hope either one of them has. In a league that is skewed for offense to succeed...it's about time that we made that jump into the top ten.

With a really successful draft, this could be our year.