Jets focused on RBs this offseason

The Jets have been linked to many running backs this offseason, but so far, they’re yet to ink one.

The Jets have shown interest in Chris Johnson , as discussed over the weekend.

The team was interested in Donald Brown, but he signed with the Chargers, and Maurice Jones-Drew, but he signed with the Raiders (Mehta, March 31).

The Jets are looking to add to their current list of RBs of Chris Ivory, Mike Goodson and Bilal Powell.




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Kramer Kent
Kramer Kent

chris Johnson would be great. Look how well McCoy and Vick did. CJ and vick or Geno would make a lot of hole open up

Deshae Williams
Deshae Williams

The Jets have shown interest in Chris Johnson.. Next thing you know, Chris Johnson has signed with so and so and NOT the New York Jets. Blah. #InterestMy...

Pat d
Pat d

The Jets have been linked to many RBs. A more accurate statement would be, the Jets have been linked to every FA on the market.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se Wilson couldn't perform at an adequate replacement level in a defense that has been one of the best in the NFL during his time with the team.  So, his struggles can't be explained by the overall weakness of the team around him.  On the other hand, and I know this is hard for you to believe, the Jets' passing game actually improved with Geno.  Per Football Outsiders, the Jets passing game had a DVOA of -25.3% and 30th in 2012, but with Geno in 2013 it was -15.9% good for 28th.


Now, we can debate all day long whether Sanchez or Geno had it harder, but the numbers show that Geno improved the Jets' passing offense.  So, the hope is that if he cuts down on his rookie mistakes and takes advantage of the better receivers that he will have, maybe he can get the passing offense to average in his second year.


Like you, I want to eliminate the excuses for Geno, but unlike you, I recognize that Geno had legitimate excuses that went beyond rookie struggles.  Wilson never had an excuse for his failure to play better as he got more experienced.  Rookie excuses only work for 1 year.

NJJDB
NJJDB

@a57se speaking of "after a few years in the league" posts, @Bentam I hallucinating, or did you make a big Stephen Hill isn't as bad as you might think post this off season? I want to post it on reddit but I can't find the article :/

harold
harold

@a57se

Not Farfetched but unlikely.

I would say Wilson got a chance on the outside and was okay.  I think ball skills are underrated and DB's without them usually have a much lower ceiling.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se  

After a few years in the league,  you are what you are.   Rarely do players take additional leaps in playing abilities.   Rarely.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  There's incentives on top of that though.  If the Jets offered him 3m per year and the money with incentives exceeded that, he still might go with that.

harold
harold

@57se

Old and slow...lol

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se  I'm not sure because Patterson played exclusively on the outside last year and was actually the Dolphins' opening day starter.  He struggled with groin issues all year though.


The fact he can play the slot is good because it means maybe Lankster or Walls could play on the outside.  It increases their options.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Something I figured they'd might end up doing does make a lot of sense.

Won't please te fans tho, even though I think Wilson will do more then fine.

harold
harold

@a57se

Patterson has a lot of experience on the outside as well and has much better ball skills.  I think we would have him as competiton for the outside CB spot, not the slot.

Wilson has done well in the slot and probably should remain there, imo

bklyndude
bklyndude

@harold  

It wasn't like Rex sat Milliner last year and thought,  let me try Kyle Wilson outside because I think he's got the requisite skills.  He kept him in the slot where Rex probably thinks he better suited.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@harold Is Wilson ready for an expanded role?  He might be.  I never saw him as just a slot CB, just a guy who needed to get some veteran seasoning. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99Hey, I never said that, I just said that he has, IMO, persistent flaws...he doesn't use that big body to his advantage and it looks to me that his timing is wrong on his routes.  This is his put up or shut up year and I hope he succeeds...guys with his size and speed are rare commodities. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent @SackDance99@NJ libertarian@a57seThen, if Hill had some of his finest moments, didn't Geno share in those fine moments?  In the never ending is it Geno or Hill debate, Geno when he's in rhythm with Hill can complete passes to him and can hit him for important plays.  Why there wasn't more of that is likely both of their faults, not just on bad Geno who doesn't get the ball to poor Stephen when he's open.

Bent
Bent moderator

@SackDance99 @Bent @NJ libertarian @a57se  


Against Atlanta, Hill actually had some of his finer moments.  He had two HUGE catches on that last drive.  Prior to that, they didn't really look at him.  Geno had only thrown 16 passes prior to that final drive, I believe.


You could say that Hill was drawing attention that enabled Geno to play well hitting his tight ends and slot receiver for one touchdown each.


From BGA Extra: 


a57se
I think the Jets were trying to protect Hill out there and used him as a decoy for the first 58 minutes. Any thoughts on that?

I thought that was a possibility as the game was going on. I can’t really comment, because he contributes by running clear-out routes all the time anyway, so other than not running any plays with him as the primary read, it’s difficult to know whether they deliberately did that or if it was just a matter of Smith having only thrown 16 passes before the final drive. On that final drive, it was good to see Hill come up big, with two routine catches, where you could imagine some receivers being cold or out of rhythm having not been targeted all day.

Tk
What happened to Stephen Hill last night for the first 3.5 quarters? Double teamed, concussion, just couldn’t get open? I’m waiting for this guy to show signs of breaking out against a team not named the Bills.

As noted above, there wasn’t anything obvious here. Whether they were using him as a decoy by design or just from the fact that the underneath coverage was not as good as the downfield coverage, they did complete several passes to his side of the field after he had drawn defensive attention from that option, including both first half touchdowns.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent @NJ libertarian@a57seThat game, on the road, with the Jets down early and the pass rush bearing down was not Geno's finest moment.  How did Hill perform in a game when Geno played well.  Against Atlanta, Hill had 2 catches for 21 yards.  Did Geno miss him?  Was he getting open?

Bent
Bent moderator

@NJ libertarian @a57se @Bent  


One possible caveat worth mentioning could be that Geno was appearing to throw the ball late on some of those plays but actually Hill just made his break too early.  Receivers have to run very precise routes at this level.


I still think this shows Hill isn't a complete lost cause though, even if that does explain a few of these plays.

NJJDB
NJJDB

@a57se @Bent It gives me a LOT of hope for improvement, particularly now that Decker is on board and Geno has had 16 games worth of experience.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Bent @bklyndude @harold  

Kyle Wilson is in his fifth year.  If Rex thought Wilson was equipped for the outside,  you would've seen more of him there before starting an experiment in his fifth year.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bklyndude @harold  Part of that may just have been that nobody other than Wilson is comfortable in the slot.  If they add another, then maybe that enables them to consider moving Wilson around.

harold
harold

@bklyndude

I agree 100%

hazard2012
hazard2012

@SackDance99 @hazard2012 @a57se  


Completely agree about the record...still belongs to #99...but add a quality edge rusher on the other side and that record could definitely be in jeopardy...and those rusher's can be got in this draft.   I personally would like to see Dee Ford paired with Coples...SICK!!! 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@hazard2012 @SackDance99@a57seWhen the Jets get a pass rusher that breaks the franchise record for sacks, which should also still be the NFL record...nobody took a dive for no. 99, then I'll change my handle.

hazard2012
hazard2012

@SackDance99 @hazard2012 @a57se  


I think Coples will have the same 'breakout' year this year as Mo did last, so yeah, think he, Mo, and Boss Hogg each good for 10+ sacks.   Gotta figure Pace, Barnes etc also good for at least that many between them, but I like to think big and would salivate at getting a Bradford, Van Noy or Attaochu in the second round to mentor under Pace and bookend w/Coples and the Sons for the next ten years!   


You might have to change your handle.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@hazard2012 @SackDance99@a57seSince Mangini switched the D back to a 3-4, the Jets have been missing 1 of the key components to an elite 3-4 defense: WILL/DE pass rushing demon.  Rex's coaching staff calls this player a "bitch kitty" and the Jets don't have one.  If they get one in the draft, I think we're in agreement, the secondary's deficiencies will look a lot better because getting beaten deep is the no. 1 worry.


Now, do the Jets already have a "bitch kitty" on the roster?  Coples has been improving steadily and Barnes is very good off the edge, but I would still like a bona fide pass rushing demon.  As of now, I think Mo, Q and Boss Hogg could each get 10 sacks, or get near that many, but a real 17-20 sack guy, IMO, isn't on the roster.

hazard2012
hazard2012

@SackDance99 @hazard2012 @a57se  


I love our front line and agree it's only going to get better, but it can only do but so much before the D is victimized deep or over the middle by a less-than-capable secondary.   


Strengthen that weakness by adding a top corner and an edge rusher and this draft and the D will become truly dominant to point it can take games over when it needs to...something it cannot consistently do now and has never been able to do in the Rex era.       

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99Proof of this?  Did it depend upon where Revis was positioned?  Was Revis playing RCB and Rex rolled coverage to the strong side?  Was it when Rex had in 5 or 6 DBs?


Rex's defense is all about funneling the QB into certain areas of the field, so I can see Rex doing this, but not to help Cro, rather to force the QB to throw into coverage.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@hazard2012 @SackDance99@a57seIt would be a mistake to say it isn't going to improve, too.  We just don't know what the draft will yield, whether Barnes will stay healthy and/or whether the trajectory of Coples, Richardson and Mo is still pointing up.  I'm all for improving the secondary, I just think the Jets are stronger at safety than most fans do and I think Wilson can be average at RCB.  I'm just worried about Milliner at LCB, but let's face it, Cro sucked last year.  Wilson can definitely replace Milliner at RCB, and Milliner can't (I hope) do much worse than Cro did at LCB last year.


If the secondary is just as good as last year's, I do think that it's reasonable to conclude that the pass rush should be better.  And, the offense helps the pass rush by scoring and making the opposing offense 1 dimensional.  So, even if the secondary isn't improved talent-wise, it could put up better numbers by the overall improvement of the team.  Can't rely on any of this, but I'm not ruling it out either.

Bent
Bent moderator

@SackDance99 @Bent @a57se  


Yes, there was a huge discrepancy for Lankster whose numbers were much better on the outside.


Without researching further, I'd imagine that completion percentages are nearly always higher (and YPC averages lower) on slot targets.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent @a57seInteresting, the completion percentage was higher for the Slot (57%) than outside (53%).  Also, as slot routes tend to be shallower, the higher yards per reception for the outside is understandable.  These numbers are much closer than I thought they would be.

hazard2012
hazard2012

@SackDance99 @a57se  


It would be a mistake to think our pass rush is going to dramatically improve this year as currently constituted, to the point where we can get away with having a weak secondary.   


Upgrading the secondary will give the front line another second or two to get to the QB, and that will immediately translate into more sacks/hurries.   Now add a Van Noy, Bradford, Ford or Attaochu from this draft and you'll have one of the most imposing D's in a very long time...as good if not better than Seattle's.  



Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  


Taking 2012 alone, his numbers were as follows:


Slot: 16-28-163-1-1 (71.0 QBR)

Outside: 30-56-395-1-0 (82.1 QBR)

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99You keep on saying "roll your safeties" and that's not really Rex's defense and, if he were to do that, he'd roll them to help on the #1 WR.  We're not talking about Wilson in that role, are we?

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent @SackDance99@a57se@haroldI thought his play wasn't as poor as everyone else thought.  He wasn't Revis.  There's no shame in that, Revis is one of the best ever.  I think Wilson could be average and maybe that's all that's necessary for this defense.

harold
harold

@a57se

This will be Wilson's 5th yr

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @harold  When Wilson subbed for Revis, he reverted to the slot in nickel packages, ultimately only playing 479 of 966 snaps on the outside.

harold
harold

@57se

I like Wilson, think he is a solid CB, but I would prefer Patterson on the outside if healthy because of his ball skills.  You will get beat at CB, but if you never get the ball back for your team it is really wears you team down as the season goes. 

Turnovers are energy for a dfense, without them they are not the same.

harold
harold

@a57se

I would prefer Patterson for the reasons I stated above.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  For 2012 maybe.  He only played 17 snaps in the slot last year.

hazard2012
hazard2012

@SackDance99  


I do like Allen, too, and he may be the other exception in the group, but he needs to get playing time to improve.   I'm not thrilled at any of the Jet CB's...not even Milliner...though he'd change my mind if he picks up where he left off end of last year.   


That still leaves them one top corner short...and the reality is that corner is not going to be found on the team or in what's left in FAcy.  

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99Alabama was on TV almost every week, so I saw a lot of Milliner.  The pro game is a lot different, the WRs are faster off the LOS and way better at hand-fighting.  I think Milliner has great upside, I just would prefer that he have 1 more year as RCB.  He struggled a lot and I'd like to see him smooth over the rough edges before he graduates to the big leagues.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@hazard2012 @a57seI think Antonio Allen will be a star in the NFL.  He really has it all from a physical standpoint, but needed to learn the position.  He's the one guy in the secondary that I have no concerns about.

hazard2012
hazard2012

@a57se @hazard2012  


But it was drafting Richardson that has allowed this unit to make that quantum leap to the next level...not promoting him from within.   


All things considered, in the cold, harsh light of day, I think Milliner may be...may be...the only member of the existing secondary that has much of a future on this or any team.   If we're building through the draft then the secondary is a good place to start...along with the offense.  The sooner we begin that process the better, especially in a draft as deep in our need positions as this one.   

hazard2012
hazard2012

@harold  


Think this exchange, and the one below re Patterson, both suggest we need a serious upgrade in talent in the secondary, especially at corner.   It's one thing to give players on your roster an opportunity to make a greater contribution, etc., and quite another to believe they actually possess the level of talent you're ultimately looking for.    It's the difference between optimism and delusion.   

harold
harold

@a57se

When you are afraid to turn and locate the ball that is panic setting in.   All great CB's will take a peek at the ball.  That is why Wilson is always in poor poistion.  He doesn't trust himself enough to turn.

harold
harold

@SackDance99

That is my point, Wilson doesn't locate the ball because he panics and thus has poor ball skills.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@harold My problem with him was he didn't locate the ball, so he wasn't aware that the ball was in the air.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99True, but QBs under heat rely upon their no. 1 WRs...it's the no. 2 WRs that never get looked at when the pass rush is fierce.  So, your point works better for letting Wilson play RCB than for Milliner at LCB.  That's why I'm concerned more about Milliner....

harold
harold

@SackDance99

He panics when the ball is in the air.  That can not be taught that is a trait you either have or not.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@harold I always though he had decent ball skills, but inferior technique...he seemed like he was thinking too much.  His technique has improved.  I think he can handle the RCB/CB#2 role...I'm more concerned with Milliner as LCB/CB#1.

harold
harold

@a57se

I doubt we will move Wilson to the outside just for a comp pick, but never say never.

harold
harold

@SackDance99

I just think his ball skills will limit him inthe NFL on the outside.  I would prefer Patterson for this reason if healthy.