Jets Green & White Scrimmage: Eight things you need to know

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

Here’s a quick summary of what took place last night in Cortland New York in the team’s camp scrimmage that precedes their first preseason game against the Colts this Thursday night.

Eric Decker & Chris Johnson saw time — After being limited in practice this week due to a hamstring injury, Eric Decker played and had one catch in the scrimmage.  Other than that pass, Decker didn’t see much attention from the quarterbacks.  Chris Johnson also played and felt good about his return to the field after his offseason knee treatment.  “I got a lot out of it,” Johnson told reporters. “just going out there wanting to test my knee out against full contact. I came out feeling good… I was a little nervous, but after the first play, I was OK.”  Johnson also said he had no hesitation.

Offensive offense?  – Most of the headlines today are about how the offense wasn’t able to get into the end zone against this defense.  The offense did move the ball enough to put up two field goals, they were not able cross the plane, most notably in a goal-line stand.  RB Daryl Richardson got stuffed on three runs before Geno Smith (working with the twos) rolled was sacked on a rollout by Garrett McIntyre. Both quarterbacks were at around 50% of their completions and there were just a few standout plays.  One was a long pass from Geno Smith to Stephen Hill for 41 yards beating Dimitri Patterson.  Geno also threw an interception to CB Darrin Walls who jumped the route on a play.  After the scrimmage, Vick told reporters that “Our defense is extremely tough. I don’t know if they game-planned for us in one day or what, but they did a good job.”

Cause for alarm?  – Simply put, no.  It might not be the offensive explosion that some might expect, but the team still has a month to go before the season starts and they were playing what we believe to be one of the league’s best defenses.  “We had the [first team offense] with the [first team defense]; it wasn’t like we’re softening up,” Ryan said after the game.  “We don’t anticipate giving up a whole lot of points with that group … I think when we tee it off for real on Thursday night, I think we’ll probably put up some points.”  If anything it validates that we know this will be a good defense and that they could be better at turning the ball over this season than they were a year ago.  As for the offense?  They only need be middling to make this a legitimate team if the defense will be so good.  And putting a middling offense against a top defense will yield obvious results.  I will withhold judgement until I see the Jets play their three preseason games that are relevant for the team’s starters.  Speaking of which, while the Jets starters will be limited this Thursday to a bland game plan for a few series, the Colts didn’t do much to address their saggy defense this offseason.  To Ryan’s point, I expect the Jets will do better against that Colts defensive unit than they would against their own team .

Great marks from the defense — Surprising to no one, the defense had quite a night.  Jason Babin, Garrett McIntyre and Rontez Miles were some of the names that tallied would-be sacks against quarterbacks.  The defense was able to break through the line frequently, had a goal-line stand, forced at least one fumble and two interceptions in the scrimmage and walked off the field pleased with their work.  “We’re better off than where we were last year at this point,” second year DL Sheldon Richardson said. “Everybody is in the right positions to make plays. We’re either making the play or not. I’d rather have that than just blown coverages or blown assignments in the box-seven. That’s something I think is a pretty good job all around from [coach] Rex [Ryan] all the way down to the last guy on the depth chart.”  Ryan was also pleased with the fundamentals, something that’s been a concern for this group in seasons past. “I was really impressed with our tackling,” Ryan said.  “Most of the time when you start your first real, live tackling, minus goal-line situations, you have a lot of missed tackles. But I don’t think that was the case today, so I was happy with the way our defense tackled.”

Penalty plague — After the long gain to Stephen Hill, the offense wiped out some of their gains by committing a false start on the offensive line (believed to be Willie Colon).  The offense seemed to shoot itself in the foot at times, according to receiver Eric Decker.  “The biggest thing we have to work on is eliminating the penalties that put us behind 10 yards,” Eric Decker told reporters.  “We had first-and-15, first-and-25, first-and-30 a couple times. You’re not going to win football games if you’re in those positions. Making sure we eliminate those mental mistakes and move the ball forward.”

Miles from ordinary — Safety Rontez Miles has been making a name for himself during training camp.  After getting some run with the first team special teams group, Miles had a good night in the scrimmage notching a sack and one almost interception.  “[Miles] got a chance to shine a little bit, and sometimes the cream rises to the top,” said head coach Rex Ryan.  Dont’ be surprised if the Jets try to carry five safeties into the season. Miles is impressing, but not at the expense of Jaiquawn Jarrett it might seem. “Jarrett has been outstanding,” Ryan said of his other backup safety.   “[He] might be playing as well as anybody.”

Salas on the rise — Receiver Greg Salas came to the Jets last season after being signed off the Eagles practice squad and saw action in eight of the Jets sixteen games in 2013.  Prior to his time with the Eagles, Salas was drafted by the Rams but was traded to the Patriots.  The journeyman understands the fickle nature of the NFL.  “Nothing is going to be given to anybody here,” Salas said after the game. “You got to earn it … I’m just here trying to make a case for myself, and I think I’m trying to do a good job of that.”

Salas has made an excellent case so far but is up against some serious numbers and potential bias from a draft class that included three receivers.  Salas might not be the fastest (4.53 timed 40 at the 2011 NFL Combine) receiver, but he is sure-handed and seems to be finding his place with the Jets catching five passes for 54 yards and adding a goal-line situation for the team by drawing an interference penalty from Darrin Walls in the end zone.  Salas did have one drop, which Rex Ryan kidded him about.  “All Salas does is catch the football … except that one drop.” Ryan joked.  “It’s funny, but that’s what he does. He’s not a blazer by any means but he certainly gets the football. He gets open and he competes as a blocker, so those are all encouraging things.”

Players who didn’t play — Here’s who sat for the Jets due to injuries: WR Shaq Evans (shoulder), CB Dexter McDougle (groin), RB Bilal Powell, safety Calvin Pryor (concussion).  During the game, CB Jeremy Reeves got stepped on but Ryan pronounced he’d be alright with some rest.  DE/OLB Jermaine Cunningham left the scrimmage and limped off the field.  “Obviously, he wasn’t able to continue,” Ryan said, “so I’m concerned there.”




117 comments
John Michael Michael
John Michael Michael

I feel like everyday I read of patterson getting beat deep...am I wrong?

Brian Serviss
Brian Serviss

It's just hysterical to me that people are jumping ship on the offense already just because they didn't look like the greatest show on turf in a freaking scrimmage, against a pretty good defense I might add. Their first time playing in what is the closest thing to an actual game. It's hilarious.


And I guarantee that if the offense would have done good and the defense was bad, those crying and moaning wouldn't be praising the offense for how good they did. They would be complaining about how bad the defense played.


It's pretty much just complaining for the sake of complaining. 

McGeorge
McGeorge

I'm not hoping for a good offense, I'm hoping for an average offense, which would be a lot better than last year.  I want to see improvement out of Geno and the young Oline players from last year and this.

williamg1
williamg1

"Concerns Over Defense's Inability to Make Red Zone Stops"


-Headline if Jets offense scored TDs on three consecutive drives. 

williamg1
williamg1

I don't think the point of the scrimmage was to "win," but to evaluate. For all we know, the coaches may have wanted to run three straight times to evaluate the defense. Or specific players on defense. Or maybe specific players on offense. We all know Richardson is pushing hard to make the roster, and maybe they wanted to specifically evaluate him. Or maybe they were evaluating our guards. 

Don't get worked up over an intrasquad scrimmage. 

Mike Milea
Mike Milea

Stephen Hill caught a nice pass from Geno and you can see the catch here... http://www.newyorkjets.com/videos/videos/Geno-Smith-Connects-with-Stephen-Hill-/37bfca31-a11f-4435-b188-315f38d3de4a


Geno under throws the ball just a bit and Hill times his jump perfectly to make a nice basket catch over two defenders. Its awesome to see him go up and get the ball like that, I've been saying that was one of his weak points for some time now. AND NOW, you're all going to hate me. I am one of Hill's biggest fans and I am rooting for him 110%, but just like I mentioned one of his weak points is contesting for the ball in traffic, he does a great job here, but he doesn't catch the ball with his hands. I really want to see him pin-point a ball at its peak and make a nice play on it and come down with it. I feel like once he's able to do that and have the confidence in himself to do that, to catch the ball with his hands instead of his chest, he will really take a giant stride in his development...

nesboogie
nesboogie

Dee can really make this defense. 

WW85
WW85

3 straight runs on a goal line stand when we have Mike Vick? or how about CJ on a mismatch? When you are playing a top DL, the play calling has to be more creative

WW85
WW85

When is the last time the Jets had a top 10 offense? Considering our offense sucks every year and our D is good every year, it's legit to raise concerns about how our offense is being handled.

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

@McGeorge


Not able to predict the OLine, but I know an improvement from both Geno and the draft/FA  WRs, should give the offense a double leap forward.

Joe/Orlando
Joe/Orlando

Don't see anyone getting particularly worked up. Not sure why the selection of plays they chose to run shouldn't be a valid topic of discussion.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@Mike Milea  that's my first time seeing the replay. Looks like same old Hill to me. Nice to see him jump up but he still lets the ball hit him in the chest. In that scenario I guess it didn't matter but I really wanna see him pinpoint the ball in the air with his hands. That's how he'll make a difference catching in traffic

Vinny Cammarato
Vinny Cammarato

@Mike Milea You got it, he does not catch the ball with his hands, and he wont last in this league without that 

Bent
Bent moderator

@WW85 Geno was at QB on that drive though, not Vick.  With the twos, so no CJ or Ivory either.

Brendan
Brendan

@WW85 The purpose of this scrimmage isn't just to win, though, it's to work on things you need to improve upon. I feel like people are missing that aspect of this. 

John Michael Michael
John Michael Michael

That's a good point. I guess reading it can give a different story than seeing it

harold
harold

He actually did the right thing there so he could catch the ball at its highest point and still protect himself in the middle of the field.

WW85
WW85

How about putting Vick in in those situations and freeing up a WR? Or at least roll Geno out more often. Just stupidity to run into that line 3 times

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

@Brendan


What is a "win" in an intra-squad scrimmage?  A   0-0 tie will show no offense.  A 28-7 win shows no defense.  It's probably to run  some plays to get timing and cohesiveness down.  Some long-awaited hitting, and to give the coaches what needs emphasizing the following week.

WW85
WW85

Running into the best(or 2nd best DL) in football adds nada. Practicing a rollout or getting our receivers into space needs work too

Bent
Bent moderator

@John Michael Michael Nevertheless, it does seem there's a good competition going on between the cornerbacks.  

Joe/Orlando
Joe/Orlando

@williamg1 So you don't understand why people would be interested in discussing it. Not sure why it matters to you so much if other people do.

Mike Milea
Mike Milea

@harold Not saying he didn't. I give him all the credit for the catch, it wasn't an easy one and he did a great job. But what i have yet to hear or see is him going up in traffic and coming down with the ball in his HANDS. I love Stephen Hill and I'll root for him where ever he goes... I went nuts when we traded up to draft him. I remember watching the combine that year and he made an amazing acrobatic diving catch that had everyone's jaw dropped. He has everything he needs to be a great receiver, he just needs to be that player that comes down with the ball in his hands instead of his chest, that's all.

levi
levi

@WW85 Why the hell would we switch QB's in and out? Has that ever worked for anyone?

Bent
Bent moderator

@WW85 If Geno drove down to the one and then was taken out for Vick in a meaningless scrimmage, I think that would be an unnecessarily controversial move.

boomer
boomer

@WW85 Sure it does. I don't care how good the D line is, as an Offense you need to be able to pick up a couple yards when it matters and the only way you get better at it is to practice. Going up against the best is the only way you are going to get better.

Brendan
Brendan

@WW85 Which I'm sure they did. 


People complaining about pay calling in a scrimmage is just...insane to me. 

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@Bent @John Michael Michael 

Bent:

The concern is not with Demitri or any DB, they''ll be more than fine and, as long as the 'Boys' are there, the D will be the Jets strength!!

The concern should absolutely be with the offense.....and NOT because of the QB nor the OC nor the scheme.

The concern, and I know I am beating a dead horse saying this, the concern lies with the lack of Identity of the Offense!!

Again...everything (the team) starts with the Head Coach and the vision he instills on the team..the WHOLE team!!

Unfortunately there is a huge disconnect with the offense NOT knowing their identity!!!

This was painfully seen during the scrimmage where the team did not know whether to "ground 'n pound" or "Air Raid" (WCO) the football at critical moments !!! 

Brian Serviss
Brian Serviss

@Mike Milea @harold does it really matter how he comes down with the ball? At this point, I'm happy to see him come down with the ball at all. Don't really care how he does it, just as long as he catches it

a57se
a57se

@levi 

Well, if neither QB is very good, it isn't going to hurt either.

WW85
WW85

You don't run into the best DL 3 times. It's stupidity. You have to be more creative when facing a superior opponent

harold
harold

When people start obessing over intra squad scrimmage play calls. I need to separate myself as fan from all the fanatics. Lol...

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@WW85 What if perhaps Rex is prepping his Goaline stand for his Defense? Wouldn't that make sense, sure they are a great defensive front, but perhaps considering the issues they anticipate in the secondary, more weight is added to that front seven, so they'll need to get better. If the focus was in Red zone scoring then why would you use Richardson, why not Ivory or Johnson who are your featured backs? Makes no sense unless these calls are made to test the goaline stand.

boomer
boomer

@WW85 It was an intra-squad scrimmage.  They were't playing the Pats for the AFC East.


Practice, practice, practice.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Pablo Bruno @WW85 I can't believe after the whole "Sanchez getting injured while playing in a preseason game" nonsense, people are discussing bringing in starters to punch the ball in at the goal-line in an intrasquad scrimmage.

WW85
WW85

We need to practice what more often? Running into a line or rolling out our QB to create space?

WW85
WW85

Scrimmages can be used to practice more than just 1930s football

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@Bent @Pablo Bruno @WW85 I doubt in scrimmage games Rex would allow players to rough up their teamates to the point of injury, ultimately you would want to see how your starters do in certain situations, and this wasn't one of those situations, these goaline calls were focused on the defense, that's why you wouldn't put in Ivory or Johnson in those situations.

boomer
boomer

@WW85 How about giving reps to some of our new backs to see who might be a good short yardage back?  That's kind of important to, no?

Brendan
Brendan

@WW85 Since both the team's QB's are actually very good at rolling out, and the team has significant OL concerns...I'd say running into a good DL. 

a57se
a57se

@WW85 

Practicing losing football is stupid...I agree WW85.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Pablo Bruno @Bent @WW85


Of course, I agree, but injuries can happen at any time and you can bet if the media can push that narrative they would.

WW85
WW85

3 runs to Alex Green. Great practice

Brendan
Brendan

@WW85 So, not only are you complaining about play calls during a scrimmage, you're complaining about play calls with the backups during a scrimmage. 



Perspective, WW. 

boomer
boomer

@WW85 A one QB rollout and Geno got sacked.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@Brendan @WW85 Wow, it only took you 17 minutes to realize he didn't understand they were backups.

WW85
WW85

Ehh I'm not really complaining much. I do think its a concern that our offense sucks every year and it may not solely be a personnel issue. The way we do things in practice should be an open discussion.