Kiper: Jets should take Marqise Lee

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Mel Kiper said the Jets should pick WR Marqise Lee with their No. 18 pick in the 2014 NFL Draft (Cimini).

The six-foot, 195 lbs. Lee is coming off his junior season at USC, where he pulled in 57 receptions for 791 yards and four touchdowns. In 2012, he had 118 receptions for 1,721 yars and 14 touchdowns. Over his college career, he has nearly 250 catchers for 3,655 yards and 29 touchdowns.

In 2012, Lee was a unanimous All-American, Biletnikoff Award winner and Pac-12 Offensive Player of the Year. He was considered a leading candidate for the 2013 Heisman Trophy at the beginning of the season.

Kiper, on a conference call with reporters, also said the Jets should take another quarterback in the middle rounds.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

Production is key for the Jets.  As Stephen Hill has demonstrated, the Jets don’t have time to wait for someone to develop.  The Jets need to add skill players to their offense for 2014 who can come in and take no time in getting up to speed.

Lee seems like a player who fits that profile, but there are a number of other players at both wide receiver and tight end who might also be effective.  This can be the first draft since 2009 that six wide receivers are taken in the first round and that bodes well for a Jets team who is looking to gain production from young skill player positions quickly.

136 comments
Micah Delvaun Chatman
Micah Delvaun Chatman

If Lee is available, good. If Watkins is available, then you take him. If I had a choice, Ebron would be great. Once he becomes an above average run blocker, that elevates him even more. He's already the best pass-catching TE in this draft (hands down). Now at receiver, I think if you look past the top 3 of Watkins, Lee, and Evans, I think Allen Robinson, Jordan Matthews, Jarvis Landry, Jared Abbrederis, and Donte Moncrief could be viable options at receiver. Don't really need a RB but a guy like Lache Seastrunk could be good in the 4-5 round just to add speed. If a backup QB, then David Fales, Tajh Boyd, Connor Shaw, or Keith Price look good. Denicos Allen could be a good OLB selection in the late rounds as well.  Wish there was a ballhawking safety but there isn't but a guy like Lamarcus Joyner could be a tweener at CB and FS who has the speed to roam the field and doesn't mind coming up to make a tackle.

Kramer Kent
Kramer Kent

If Sammy Watkins is still around the 7th pick Id trade up to get him. He is gonna be sick!! If not Lee is your best bet. Amari Cooper is 2nd rd but can be real good too

Kramer Kent
Kramer Kent

If we cant get Sammy Watkins in a trade, the absolutely take him. I like him more than Evans!

Johnsbodybyvi Ledo
Johnsbodybyvi Ledo

Ebron is a beast...the guy catches everything thrown to him. Watch how many passes he catches that are thrown behind him, watch how he can make one handed grabs with his huge paw....plus he has the speed to outrun cb's...I'm praying Ebron is the pick

marcus81
marcus81

in most mock drafts Lee's gone by the time Jets pick, Jets are better off drafting Ebron or Amaro, and trading up in the 2nd round for another receiver, but not make the same mistake of drafting a project player like Hill, which Hill still young and can be good

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

Consult with Tanny how to trade up, just not who to pick.

Nikos Psara Konstantantakopoulos
Nikos Psara Konstantantakopoulos

Paul Richardson Colorado WR !  thats my pic in the second round & ebron in the first.. FA: maclin WR ,byrd S,      orakpo OLB  schawartz OG

hazard2012
hazard2012

Agree Lee warrants a look, but considering that there are at least 10 top-shelf WR's in the draft but only a few 'special' TE's...and Jets need BOTH...the move might be to take either Ebron or Amaro with their first pick and then circle back and still get a solid WR in the second round.  


The only way to answer the questions about Geno is to give him some weapons to work with on O.   Jets can get two play makers in first two rounds, sign a Maclin or Decker in FA and add them all to Kerley, Nelson and Hill to make a very diverse and dynamic receiver corps.  


Investing in more QB controversy and turmoil isn't smart, at this point.  Jets need a vet QB to play behind and push Smith, not another rookie project who'll compete with Simms on depth chart.   Get Geno some weapons, use free agency to rebuild a porous secondary, shore-up the OLine and maybe draft a mid-round edge rusher to play behind Pace for a year.   


If Geno doesn't work out then make a play for your new QB in the 2015 off season. 


dabronx
dabronx

I doubt Lee falls to 18. If he does, I'm sure the Jets will consider him with the pick. Ebron is crazy athletic and looks really impressive. However, Jace Amaro had twice the stats that Ebron did. Ebron is productive but he is projected higher than Amaro because of his ceiling - that is a little too risky for me. I wouldn't reach for a WR in the first. BPA in the first - Lee, Evans, Zack Martin, Aaron Donald, HaHa, or trade down. Jordan Matthews, Allen Robinson, Jarvis Landry, Jared Abbrederis, Brandin Cooks, Davante Adams may be available in the second round.

a57se
a57se

@Kramer Kent  

Amari Cooper is not in the draft, he won't be eligible until after next season..

tryinbrian
tryinbrian

@hazard2012  For the edge rusher, isn't Antwon Barnes still with us?  If he is recovered from his injury, Coples and Barnes are a pretty good tandem IMHO.

a57se
a57se

@hazard2012  

there is a good chance the top 10 WR's are gone by the time our 2nd round pick comes around......

SackDance99
SackDance99

@dabronx Amaro was more of a 1-year wonder, while Ebron steadily progressed in college.  They're from 2 different offensive systems, too.  All-in-all, it's the 1-year wonders that should give pause more than the guys who steadily improved....  Can't look at stats in a vacuum.

Nikos Psara Konstantantakopoulos
Nikos Psara Konstantantakopoulos

@a57se @Nikos Psara Konstantantakopoulos he can put the weight on  15/20 lb. within two yrs..he knows were he has to improve. talent he has all the tools.. like his speed height & hands alot

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99  

Amaro is a product of the system at Tech. Ebron is highly rated for his physical attributes, not his actual game tape.

Both of them are risk/reward type guys to me.

Brendan
Brendan

@Lloyd Jay Reife Yes? Multiple years of elite corner play, then spinning that player off for a DROY and future monster? Yes, I'd say that worked out rather well. 

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

The site has him rated as high as a 2nd rounder, 112th is just where he is in the most current mock. 

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

I assume you mean USC? But, I made sure to watch all the games because my friend's on the team, or was anyway, he's entering the draft now. They were pretty much all nationally broadcast so it wasn't that hard. That's how I noticed guys like Woods, Lee, Grimble, Breslin, Robey, Williams (he's not eligible yet but he'll be a top flight DT prospect when his turn comes) etc. I like JR Tevai too, he filled in for Breslin this year. Guy plays hard, should be a good mid-round LB when he comes out.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99

Gilmore and Grimble are the same size...both are listed at 6'5" and around 255....

a57se
a57se

@juunit @a57se 

Oh, sorry, not trying to put words into your mouth.

I think as we get closer to the Draft Walter starts getting better placement on the prospects but this far out? Nah....he's no better than anyone else.

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

I said their draft placement is more accurate than anyone else. I never said "I go by" them. 

a57se
a57se

@juunit @a57se 

You just said you went by WalterFootball rankings because they have such a good track record!


Ah, tell that to Greg Gabriel.......

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

You honestly think the opinion of some internet mouth breather, I mean draft expert matters to me? Especially when they all readily admit that at most they only watch 4 games of a player, and I've watched every single one of Grimbles' games in the past two years? 

I form my own opinions of draft prospects. I don't trust the evaluations of other people, so I don't read them. They're always all over the place and most of the time they have no idea what they're talking about. If they did know they're s***, they wouldn't be writing about it trying to make a living on some crappy website. 

juunit
juunit

@harold  

7th rounders are terrible. Most of them are out of the league after their rookie contracts are up. Like I said, you are unbelievably wrong and you will see. This has nothing to do with a favorite, he's just a much better player than you say he is. 


I only have two favorites in this draft, and it's because I'm friends with both of them. But you won't see me overestimating their talents at any point during the offseason.

a57se
a57se

@juunit @harold 

I've seen better breakdowns than that. Just charting who got how many right is not very useful to me especially since 8 out of 32 is only 25%.

I can't remember who, but there was a site who broke these things down a lot better and Rich Gosselin usually ended up on top. They went into draft position and how far off your opick were....etc. to end up with a grade.....Walter football ended up mid pack last time I saw it and that was in a group of 25 to 30 mocks.

a57se
a57se

@juunit

Rob Rang on Grimble, "He looks better getting off the bus then he does on tape!"

a57se
a57se

@harold  

Not much video of Dixie State on the web!

Did you look at Dustin Vaughan? Interesting QB prospect.

harold
harold

Haven't looked at him will try to do so in the next couple days.

a57se
a57se

@harold  

Grimble may be this years Fauria but I would take a flyer on Joe Don Duncan as well...he was the focus of the offense at Dixie State though I wish he were a little taller.....

harold
harold

I agree to be too certain on guys without production is not a sure bet.   Just because I don't think your guy is a All pro doesn't mean I am saying he can't play in the league.  If he succeeds great, we all want "our guys" to succeed. 

We all feel we have some scout in us.

a57se
a57se

@harold  

Ah, the certainty of youth.......I miss those days.

harold
harold

I didn't say I thought he was terrible.  I said based on his tape he was 7th round guy.   I think he is draftable but I didn't rate him as an early round guy.  If he has success that is great.

We all have our favorites and people who catch our eye.  Nothing personal on my part.

juunit
juunit

@harold  

That's the only website I even bothered to look at because I'm not going to waste my time when I know you're so obviously, unequivocally and unbelievably wrong about Grimble. But, you'll see. I had this conversation with people about Travis Frederick last year. They were wrong then, you'll be wrong now. It's no skin off my nose. 

harold
harold

So on the best website he is the 112th rated guy and I happened to miss Jesus Shuttlesworth

Okay

juunit
juunit

@Brendan @juunit  

Nah, if you read through the comments on their mocks, everyone complains about how they don't understand their team's needs. But as far as "prospect X will go in this range of picks" goes, they're more consistently accurate than anywhere else I've found. At least, Walter is. 

And they do also have good coverage with info on teams meeting prospects and such. So far, they have us meeting with all these guys: 

Beau Allen, DL, Wisconsin (EW)
Bene Benwikere, CB, San Jose State (EW)
Ted Bolser, TE, Indiana (EW)
Tajh Boyd, QB, Clemson (SR#)
John Brown, WR, Pittsburg State (EW)
Carrington Byndom, CB, Texas (EW)
Pierre Desir, CB, Lindenwood (EW)
Dakota Dozier, G, Furman (EW)
Matt Feiler, OT, Bloomsburg (EW%)
Phillip Gaines, CB, Rice (EW)
Jimmy Garappolo, QB, Eastern Illinois (SR)
Ryan Groy, G, Wisconsin (EW)
Matt Hazel, WR, Coastal Carolina (EW)
Allen Hurns, WR, Miami (EW)
Gabe Ikard, C, Oklahoma (EW)
A.J. Marshall, S, Wake Forest (EW)
Jeff Mathews, QB, Cornell (EW)
Jordan Matthews, WR, Vanderbilt (SR#)
LaDarius Perkins, RB, Mississippi State (EW)
Rashaad Reynolds, CB, Oregon St (EW)
Prince Shembo, LB, Notre Dame (EW)
Tyler Starr, LB, South Dakota (EW)
James Stone, C, Tennessee (EW)

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit Are they really? Is it just the Jets that they are absolutely horrific at projecting picks for? 

harold
harold

Find me someone that has him rated highly. 

I did watch him didn't see anything special maybe I missed something.  I will re-watch but doubt he will suddenly become a early selection.

juunit
juunit

@harold  

No, it's not. But bad athletes don't get rated that highly during any point of their life. And Grimble isn't even remotely a 7th rounder. Either you haven't watched him or I can't respect your evaluation opinion at all, because calling him a 7th rounder is laughably off base.

harold
harold

This is not HS anymore.

juunit
juunit

@harold  

You think Grimble is a 7th rounder? Wow. You're really far off base. He was the #1 TE prospect out of high school.

harold
harold

I watched his game tape after the Sr Bowl.  It was pretty good.  Kid has got a chance.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  If they can get Gilmore in the 4th I'd love that. He seems like a nice all-around player with a chance to improve. 

harold
harold

I think Gilmore is better than Grimble.  I think he is a 7th rounder to me.  Saw flashes but didn't see anything that jumped out at me.

I like Gilmore beginning mid to late 4th round on.

juunit
juunit

@SackDance99 @juunit 

Only significant playing time Pantale got was week 4 in the preseason, but I thought he did very well as an inline blocker, especially considering it was his first real action. And, he seems to have made the team based on that performance. 

I say you'll like Grimble as a backup to Ebron because he's also a good athlete and most of the catches he did make in college were of the seam-busting variety. TEs just weren't a big piece of Kiffin's offense, he was mostly a blocker and a decoy. If you do go back and watch some USC games to check him out, look at Morgan Breslin at DE too. If you do that, it's probably best to watch a 2012 game. Both those guys had some injuries this year, especially Breslin. I think they're both 2nd or 3rd round guys regardless and I expect the buzz around their names to increase after the combine. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@juunit @SackDance99Gillmore is taller and heavier...they were both victimized by pretty poor QB play.  At the end of the day, I want a UFA WR, a real pass-catching TE and if he's also a good blocker, that would be a nice bonus (Sudfeld's blocking is really suspect...your boy Pantale has to be better), and a true MM WCO RB that can catch passes and attack the edge.  If the Jets can also get lucky with a decent edge rush prospect or LB depth, then I'd be even happier.  Everything else would be gravy.

juunit
juunit

@SackDance99  

I think you'll like Xavier Grimble as your backup plan to Ebron. Check him out. Better blocker than Ebron as well.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se No, you didn't see the comma, Pedersen is from Wisconsin and was at the Sr. Bowl.
  Also, Gilmore is 6-6...that's way too tall for an H-back.
  

Sorry for the additional edit, but Gillmore is also an inline TE and, in fact, his rep was as a blocker, not a pass catcher.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @a57se 

Who is CJ Pederson????? think you meant fiedorowicz.......he is an inline TE while Gilmore is more an H-back type.

Check out Dustin Vaughan, he isn't a combine invite but looks like a possible QB developmental guy.....you can find him on Youtube...big kid with a strong arm...he's raw but there is some talent there.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99I've told you, repeatedly, that I really don't start my draft analysis until after the Combine.  Ebron I saw play live (on TV) and watched a few of his games (off of youtube), so I know what he is.  Same with Amaro.  Gillmore is a guy that I saw in the Senior Bowl and out-played C.J., Pederson (who you don't mention), and Lynch.  Then, I looked at his film...and was even more impressed.  As for the others, I'll sort over the Combine numbers and may filter some of them out based on height and speed profile.  I don't have the time, nor the inclination, to look at all the prospects.  It's cool that you have the time to do it.


P.S. I've seen a lot of ASJ, who I like a lot, Niklas (hard to avoid seeing ND) and Brate (who might be a good UDFA).  ASJ is the only one of those 3 that I'd consider over Gillmore, at this point.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @a57se 

How about Troy Niklas?  CJ Fiedorowicz? Arthur Lynch? Marcel jensen? Joe Don Duncan?


I've watched every game of Ebron's I could find and the same with David Fales.


try Draft Breakdown, they have nice cut-ups that aren't just highlight reels on ALL the prospects.


http://draftbreakdown.com/players/?position=TE


here is there TE page.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99So, his flaws aren't with his pass-catching, but rather his run blocking?  Maybe you see "flaws" but don't know how to attribute them.  Wrong route or bad throw?  Missed block or failed line call?  Unless you are a professional scout, the only flaws that a layperson can identify are technique flaws, like Fales dipping his arm angle, which was a flaw that I saw, experts saw, but you disputed and, then grudgingly had to admit or physical flaws, like lack of height, strength, speed, etc.

I didn't see any technical flaws in Ebron's route running or pass catching, but I didn't focus on his run blocking and was wondering whether that was what you were alluding to.  As for physical flaws, ideally he'd be a little taller and I'm concerned about what his official measurement will be.  Between 6-3 and 6-4 is borderline okay, any shorter and he's off my 1st round list and I'll switch over to Crockett Gilmore as my 3-5 round choice.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @a57se 

I've learned better than to discuss flaws with you when you don't see them...it is a waste of time.

As far as potential vs. production, that is always in limbo in the draft. Hill was way on the potential side while Jeffrey was more on the production side...so far the production side rules in that case.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99Isn't that what drives the ranks of most draft prospects?  IMO, Ebron doesn't have many pass-catching flaws...what flaws are you talking about?

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @a57se 

Oh, he definitely flashes on his game tape but he isn't consistent and shows a lot of flaws as well......his talent/potential is what drives his ranking.