Link: All eyes on Smith as camp approaches

The NY Post’s Brian Costello had some good insight as he counts down the top 25 most important players to the Jets on Geno Smith.

The coaches believe they had a breakthrough with Smith at the end of last year when he began to run the ball more and make better decisions with the ball. We’ll see if they’re right.

General manager John Idzik put some targets around Smith that should help in wide receiver Eric Decker, tight end Jace Amaro and running back Chris Johnson.

The pressure on Smith will be much greater this year. If he struggles, there could be massive support — both internally and externally – for Vick to start. Vick was very popular with his Eagles teammates, and you can see the Jets players who grew up wearing Vick’s jerseys rallying around him if Smith stumbles.

The Jets need to find out if Smith is a franchise quarterback or just another in a long line of quarterback failures.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

Over the history of their career, they have been able to build great defenses and found some excellent offensive and defensive players, but quarterback has been a bugaboo for this — along with many other — franchises.  Should Smith struggle in camp, Vick will be there to step in.  In the unlikely event that happens, should Smith stumble during the regular season, Vick could be a Band-Aid to get the Jets through a game or the rest of the season.

That said, the Jets need to determine if Smith is the right man to head the team for medium and long-term and there’s no better way to do that than keep seeing if he can sink or swim.  Which is of course the method they are already taking.  This offseason the Jets have deepened their entire roster on the offensive side of the ball and that includes the quarterback position.

The hope of course is that Smith is the man for the job, but if he isn’t the second round investment they made won’t be that hard to move on from should the opportunity arise.




62 comments
jaygo
jaygo

Anyone else think Costello and Bassett look alike?

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

Morning Gangrels! The Farm says a beautiful day is in the works. The Farm also says Geno will make a huge jump this season, and you all will eat your words. This kid was thrown into hell's fire as a raw rookie and had no weapons at all and what little he did have, was hurt on and off throughout the season. He still finished strong and was behind an 500 season despite all that. Not only does he show that he has the physical skills, but he has the perfect mental make up for the NY pressure cooker. Come on folks, rally around the Farm with a pocket full of shells. In Geno we trust!!!!

pisano
pisano

I'm not buying Brandts assessment of Geno. Plain and simple, the guy throws way too many interceptions, and he gets flustered easily, so I just don't see him this year as being a big help to the Jets. Obviously the Jets don't either, or they wouldn't have brought in Michael Vick. Just my opinion.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

Yes, absolutely. As the Sanchez era continues to recede into the past, the Jets will be moving forward with a quarterback who has real potential. Geno Smith definitely has what it takes to become a solid player for New York one day. In fact, I could even see him leading Gang Green to a winning season in 2014."


Awesome!!! in Geno we trust!!!!

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

I think that I scared you cats, lol  Don't worry, the farm is stable, but by what standards, I don't know , lol

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

The Farm, enjoying a beautiful day! The  farm where life is beautiful all the time, and I'll be happy to see those clean cut professionals in their clean white coats

and they're coming to take me away ha ha !  To the Jets loony bin with all you can eat prescription drugs like Thorazine, and lithium, and electric shock, with a side order of nachos!
They're coming to take me away Ha Ha  But now with the John Idzik Era, my straight jacket is off!  There is no injection or pill like the mind set of optimism, lets go Jets! No more insanity and torment for us fans like we have endured for years. Time to head out into a new era of Jets football!  Just in case, I will keep my prescriptions updated, and a case of beer near by, lol




marcus81
marcus81

something to keep in mind is that Rex has to get this team to play every week including the defense, the team played well every other week and after the bye let the play offs slip away and then salvaged a .500 season, the expectation is that Geno can be a good steady QB and limit the turnovers.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

Manziel really seems like he has a lot of maturing to do, and I don't just mean as  pro QB.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

True.... it wont be hard to move on from a second round QB, IF  he is not the man, but we then have to start over AGAIN. Lets just hope with a solid year under his belt, the improvement at the end of last season and carrying over into the OTAs, and some real weapons around him now, that he will be the man, and I personally think he will be

Daniel Diffin
Daniel Diffin

QB is the biggest question surrounding the team right now. There are plenty of other questions--at CB and on the Offensive Line, especially--but everything else pales in comparison with QB. 


I am definitely in the optimist camp when it comes to Smith. I think he has a very high ceiling--he could even become elite--but he has a lot to prove after a very shaky first season. His improvement over the last quarter of the season should give everyone reason to hope (though, Jet fans being what they are, a lot of folks look right past the last four games and think his absolutely awful November games are a better indication of his ability). Of course, you can't judge much from OTAs, but he looks stronger, faster, and more decisive now than at any time last year. I expect big things from him this year.

marcus81
marcus81

hope fully Geno does well, but team still has Boyd as a project to groom too, if he makes the team

williamg1
williamg1

The Jets just need average QB play. That should be enough to make the playoffs. 

But, of course, getting average QB play out of our QBs, over the years, has been rare. 

levi
levi

@UncleJoesJetFarm One of the knocks on Hill is always how he runs poor routes. I cant understand this, I can see a raw rookie not being a good route runner but not a 3rd year vet. It cant be that hard to learn to run the route tree that he cant do it in 3 years.

buckets
buckets

The team finished .500 in spite of Geno.

goat7
goat7

@pisano  There were many reasons for the Jets to add Vick. There is no QB more suited to teach the MM Offense than Vick. With both being strong armed, mobile QB's, it is a perfect fit. Whether starting or a backup, Vick will be a great mentor. For the first time in recent memory, the Jets have a QB that can actually go in and win a game! One of the biggest overlooked values of Michael Vick, is how much he will help the front 7 be ready for mobile QB's. Also, the thought of a speed package involving Vick, CJ2K, Decker, Hill, Saunders, and Amaro just screams touchdown! You are dead on with the turnover issue that will prevent any team from taking the next leap, but considering how bear the playmaker cupboard was last year, I see last year's Geno as an overachiever after putting together an 8-8 season under such conditions. Yes, after seeing the supporting cast around him get better at almost all key positions (including special teams), I am sipping the Geno  Kool-Aid to the point that I would personally not be surprised to see Smith in this year's Probowl!

goat7
goat7

@pisano  The Jets brought Vick in for several reasons. There's no QB better suited to teach MM's offense to Geno than Vick. Both being mobile, strong armed QB's makes this a perfect fit. Vick  will be a mentor whether he is starting or not.  For the first time in recent memory, the Jets have a QB that can go in and win a game if necessary. What Vick means for the Defense often goes unsaid. Getting the front 7 ready for the most mobile of QB's will go a long way into a potential playoff run. Also, the thought of having Vick and CJ2K on the field in a speed package involving Decker, Hill, Saunders and Amaro just screams touchdown! I'm with you on the turnover point, but I think his playmaking cupboard was as bear as it got for an NFL team, yet he had enough about him to overcome all of that and overachieve with an 8-8 record. I'm sipping the Geno Kool-Aid after seeing the supporting cast elevate around him and his offseason progression.

harold
harold

@pisano 


But yet somehow Vick is the back up.  Funny how that works.

Pat d
Pat d

I just don't see Geno being a franchise QB.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

How many times are we gonna get a link to Gil Brandts' assessment of Geno?

One article in three months? There have been a lot more going the other way about Geno or at least, a lot more cautious!

harold
harold

@marcus81

I agree with you, Rex's only real weaknesses are:

1) Over confidence which makes his team inconsistent from week to week especially after emotional games.

2) He goes into a shell offensively for weeks at a time far too often, imo.

Brendan
Brendan

@Daniel Diffin Well stated. As you said you can't take too much from OTAs, but one thing I was happy about was the comments from coaches and teammates about Smith being much more confident. Not just on the field, which is obviously vital, but in the locker room, in meetings, in the film room. He's finally carrying himself like it's his team and people are noticing and responding to it. Hopefully that translates itself directly to his play and we get a decisive, dynamic QB next season. 


I think Geno realized in the final four games that it's okay to punt with Rex's defense and there is nothing worse than a turnover. 

Daniel Diffin
Daniel Diffin

@marcus81 If Geno bombs out over the course of this season, the Jets will be drafting a QB in the first round next year. I like Boyd, and I think he has the potential to be a good QB in the NFL--but unless he shows dramatic improvement (ie, he becomes the next Tom Brady...sixth round to stud in one season), the team will not leave the QB question dangling. I don't expect it to happen--I think Geno's improvement towards the end of the season was real, and I expect him to build on it this year--but if it does, and Geno is at the bottom of the QB rankings again this year, I don't think there will be any mulligans this time.

levi
levi

@williamg1 Were gonna skip over average and go straight to good  this year.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@buckets Fooey! Geno had nothing around him and what little he did have was injured, so what team? Geno stood alone!  Tell me a rookie QB or for that matter, even a solid Vet who would succeed under those circumstances...... no weapons and a ranked 25 ranked oline by PFF. Like being a rookie and thrown into the fire is not tough enough and without having a decent supporting cast, good gollie gee! Geno still, never wilted in the face of all those obstacles and came on down the stretch, and that speaks volumes going forward! Arriba!

harold
harold

@a57se @harold 


Maybe because he is one of the greats.  Just saying, better than linking to an all time great drunk in Namath, imo.

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

@harold@marcus81

I agree with you, Rex's only real weaknesses are:

1) Over confidence which makes his team inconsistent from week to week especially after emotional games.

2) He goes into a shell offensively for weeks at a time far too often, imo.


3) After the bye week.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Maybe Mangold should play QB since he is overrated, overpaid, and no longer an all pro center

(Ducks)

Haha

I find it funny the press has been picking on Mangold this offseason

marcus81
marcus81

@Daniel Diffin @marcus81  Geno doesn't strike me as a dummy and he has above average athletic talent running and throwing the ball, if the receivers catch a good percentage of the balls and the O line plays slightly above average Geno should do well.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@levi @williamg1

We're going to go right past Ridiculous Speed straight to Ludicrous Speed.

williamg1
williamg1

@levi @williamg1 I'm thinking that good QB play + our RBs + Rex's defense = the Jets can win the East. 

Lets hope our line stays healthy. 

bobbyj
bobbyj

The Jets have already made a huge mistake & have advertised it to boot. Take away the names Geno & Vick, doesn't matter. Why do you lean a COMPETITION, ( say it 15 times, it's the Idzik mantra ) towards one player? Because that player cannot win a strait up COMPETITION. That's it end of story. Rex the whole off season " Geno is gonna be tough to best that kid out" ect. If so tough then why didn't you let them COMPETE? Because Geno would lose.............

buckets
buckets

Eh. You make no compelling points here. I heard the same stuff about Sanchez. Smith was really bad. That's really all there is to it.

harold
harold

@Lloyd Jay Reife

I stand corrected... :)

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks If he doesn't have to babysit and compensate for an awful LG he'll be fine. The last four weeks of the season, when Winters went from "worst ever" to just "really bad," Mangold was back to his typical monster self. On top of all the stuff he does that most centers don't, he was dealing with Winters, too. 

Daniel Diffin
Daniel Diffin

@williamg1 @levi Good QB play + our RBs + Rex's defense +a serious injury to Brady = the Jets can win the East.


Don't kid yourself--we may have gotten stronger this off-season, but so did the Pats. It will take an awful lot of luck for us to win the division, unless age or injury suddenly catches up with Tom Brady. If everything breaks our way, we can definitely make the playoffs. But winning the division is another matter--that will take a huge jump from Smith, good health on the offensive line, good health and fast development in the secondary, and a lot of luck. Not saying it can't happen, but I'd be pleased with winning the wild card this year, and the division next year.

levi
levi

@williamg1  Meh the Pats are stacked this year knowing they dont have much time left to make their run. Brady is declining though so we will see what happens but they will be tough to beat this year. 

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@buckets Sanchez had a top oline , top run game and top defense.... ALL RANKED #1 in his rookie season in 2009, Geno had a 25th ranked oline, and no weapons at all on offense and what little he did have was banged up. Genos best wr was Kerley who would not even be a #2 on most teams. Despite this, Geno still finished strong  with a solid QB rating and won 3/4 down the stretch and carried it over into OTAs. Also, he is strong mentally and finishing strong and never waivered, which is a huge positive, so rally behind your QB, come on!

harold
harold

@Brendan

This is where PFFF has very little value.  Mangold is a top 6 center in the NFL right now.  Somehow they have him rated much lower, why?

Because other centers are helping on double teams and chipping guys.  Mangold usually has one on one assignments that most centers don't have as you noted. 

Throw in an all-time terrible season from Winters and to think Mangold is less than stellar is silly.

williamg1
williamg1

@Daniel Diffin The Pats got stronger at what? Corner? Brady needs weapons, and they didn't do much to address that. Who knows when Gronk when be healthy enough to re injure himself? Their O-Line is highly-suspect, and Brady certainly is getting older. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Daniel Diffin

Don't kid yourself--we may have gotten stronger this off-season, but so did the Pats.


I love what the Pats did this winter to upgrade their secondary.


That being said, I still think the middle of their OL is pretty crappy, their WRs and TEs aren't scary at all, Tom Brady's been declining for two years now and isn't an elite QB anymore, and their defensive front seven has about 5 or 6 good players out of the 15 that will make the roster, tops.


They're vulnerable.

buckets
buckets

All I'm saying is that it's silly to give him credit for the team's 8-8 record. You paint this picture of a QB who was able to rise above adversity and lead his team to victories when the reality is that he was bad, and his poor play and turnovers constantly put the team in terrible position.

I'm not into making excuses for poor play and using that as a reason for optimism. When I see improved play from Smith, I'll get behind him.

BDarc23
BDarc23

PFF has very little value? Oh no you didn't

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@tsjc68 @Daniel Diffin Don't forget, they had a few very good and key players hurt last season on the D up front and get them back now. Also, they had rookie wrs who were just thrown in the mix and now they will have a solid year and two camps under their belt. Also, their secondary is stacked. This might be the best Pats team in years. And they have Brady and Belichick. Brady will be much better with his rookie wrs growing up. I expect a wc but it will be a war with the other two teams, but we will not overtake the Pats just yet. A WC and I will jump for joy!

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

@buckets I cited why he had an inconsistent season, I dont know too many who would not  withthose conditions. Now he has a year under his belt and a real supporting cast. He will make a huge jump. You have to look at the sitchyation and not be myopic. Especially the QB situation which is far from black and white. Even the great Brady struggled and was rated lower than mid pack  last season when he was breaking in his rookie wrs, it is just the way it is. Geno on top of being a rookie had nothing at all around him and still came on at the end, that is huge, keep the faith brother, we have a winner in Geno!

a57se
a57se

@BDarc23 

Every time PFF stats disagree with someones opinion on a player, PFF becomes useless.

williamg1
williamg1

@UncleJoesJetFarm The Patriots are not stacked. Their Oline isn't going to protect Brady. Their young WRs were unspectacular. Gronk will never be healthy. 

williamg1
williamg1

@UncleJoesJetFarm @tsjc68 @Daniel Diffin They finish on top because the rest o the division hasn't been good enough to win it. If the Jets can get good QB play, they'll have the rest of the pieces to win the division. 


davem
davem

The Pats have been as predictable as your opinions and name changes over the years... I'll give them that "Farm"

buckets
buckets

So, what will his excuse be this season if he doesn't succeed?

harold
harold

@a57se @BDarc23 


I don't think PFF is useless.  I just don't think you can compare certain players when they have much bigger responsibilities than another player. 

If I ask you to go to the store 15 minutes away and than go to the dry cleaners which is another 10 minutes away.  While at the same time I ask another person to run to store only the next day (assuming purchasing same items). 


Can I ask why did it take you longer to run your errands than the other person?


If you are asked to do more it must be taken into account or the comparison cannot be not totally valid. 

buckets
buckets

That's funny. A lot of the top teams are units I'd consider to be pretty bad.