Link: Bargain hunting Jets found quality talent deep

NFL.com’s Bryan Fischer shared his “five best 2014 NFL Draft bargain picks” for the NFC and AFC East and he took two of the Jets Day Three picks.

Trevor Reilly
New York Jets, seventh round (233rd overall)

His knee is still a concern, but this is just a tremendous value for the Jets this late in the draft. He can stand up or put his hand in the ground and will likely do both for Rex Ryan. He can find his way to the backfield or set the edge if needed. He’ll be tremendous on special teams, as well, and should be one of the hardest workers on the team.

Dakota Dozier
New York Jets, fourth round (137th overall)

He’s probably more of a guard than a tackle in the NFL, but there should be no concerns about moving him inside given how strong he is. He’s a small-school kid but handled things just fine when playing top competition and, with a little refinement, should become a starter for the Jets. He still needs a little bit of work against top defensive tackles when pass blocking but should be able to open up running lanes for backs with ease.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

Reilly is an interesting addition for the Jets and they need linebacker depth as well as more special teamers.  As long as his knee checks out to play this season Reilly might be a contributor on special teams.

As far as Dozier the team had excellent results with another small school prospect on their line in recent years in Austin Howard.  Dozier will have a lot of competition this summer for a roster spot, what with the Jets bringing back Willie Colon and then the trio Oday Aboushi, Will Campbell and Ben Ijalana from last year.  Depending on how good of a camp Dozier has, don’t be too surprised if the Jets go with a youth movement.  While Willie Colon is a nice insurance policy, the Idzik’s cutting of veterans like OLs Jason Smith and Stephen Peterman, a DL Antonio Garay and WRs Ben Obomanu and Mohammed Massaquoi demonstrated that just being a veteran wasn’t going to be insure anyone of a roster spot.

We fully expect that at least one position on the line will be up for grabs and don’t be surprised if Dozier isn’t given a shot at it. 




149 comments
jenkins
jenkins

I wanted Watt over Dozier, but SD took him a little earlier than I thought.  Watt will be starting for them in 2015. Watch how he handled Donald last year. But I like Dozier as a Jet starter in 2015, as well. 

Simon Gribben
Simon Gribben

 I loved FB tape.  Small but powerful, can catch and run, and he doesn't block people, he PLANTS them!  The real PANCAKER should replace Bohanon.

maynard
maynard

The gy who somewhat excites me s Reilly. was looking  though a few magazines yesterday and saw one that ranked him as the #9 LB. he seems from everything I've read to be a guy who can set the perimeter on runs, excel on ST, and is sneaky fast and could get to the QB too.


Time will tell but for a 7thy rounder his age is meaningless since most 7th rounder's don't last 2 yr s anyway


I'm stoked for this season( for the 46 the year in  row, but who's counting)

metjetnet
metjetnet

(miketaliaferro) The mantra is Competition. As the man said, "Only the strong survive..." Whoever is best, gets the job & wins our love.

We as fans develop emotional attachments to players, and have a hard time coping with the physical realities of our guy not being able to do it on the same level anymore, or with another player simply being better. It's a cold everyday truth. That's why the GMs & coaches make the big bucks -- they've got to be the ruthless ones. Tough job. Being a fan for 50 years tells me that I'll be a fan of whoever wears the jersey. I just want to see that group of shirts win. Who that is inside those jerseys keeps changing. We cope & move on, rooting for an ever-changing group in those same shirts...

Pat d
Pat d

Besides the first two picks, Dozier is my other favorite pick.

jdawggg
jdawggg

Can't expect Dozier to start soon.  Jets have a pretty bad recent track record taking small school tackles and converting them to guard.  Ducasse was a failure, Winters looks like he will be one too. They should learn from these mistakes.  Especially with Yankey, a two time All American who actually played guard against BCS competition, still on the board, not happy with Dozier pick.  

a57se
a57se

 He still needs a little bit of work against top defensive tackles when pass blocking but should be able to open up running lanes for backs with ease.

He will get that vs. the Jets D'line....best teacher in the business.

Brendan
Brendan

@Pat d  


I honestly am embarrassed I didn't think of this sooner, but....



DOZER THE DESTROYER

harold
harold

@jdawgg

Yankey has poor feet, poor power, poor technique and poor quickness.  Besides that he is great.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@harold  Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

a57se
a57se

@harold  

Is it a matter of liking powerful linemen over finesse types? I am with you there but with our OC going ZBS, we will have to get used to finesse guys, i guess.

harold
harold

@Brendan

They made some changes, but as I stated still zone based.  Most systems have some flexibilty to move between zone and man.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  They moved towards a lot more gap schemes with Warford and considerably less zone than in past years. 


They didn't simply drop him in and keep on chugging, they altered it to fit him and the other new OL better (which is a credit to the team). 

harold
harold

@Brendan

Warford played in Detroit scheme which is zone blocking based and was fine.  Good football players who are big and can move are better than little ones who can move in most cases.

That is how I view these two guys.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold Jackson should be better right now, he was drafted over a full round before Dozier. 


I think it's obvious at this point that the team doesn't want massive battleship-sized G's. Warford/Jackson are both huge, huge men. 


Winters/Dozier are smaller, so one would think they're screening their G pool for guys that could excel in a ZB scheme. 

harold
harold

@Brendan

Feels like last year when people tried to seel me on the Winters is not that big a difference from Warford.

Jackson is much better than Dozier right now.

I like Dozier potential.  Just think Jackson is a surer prospect who still maintains decent upside.

harold
harold

@tsjc68

Just don't see that.  I was very high on Warford last year see Jackson as a similiar propsect.  Warford was a little more powerful.  But very similiar players, imo.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  That makes it sound like you see a big gap between the two, is that the case? 


I think they are in the same pot, and who you like is a matter of preference. 

harold
harold

@Brendan

Hopefully he does not take it personal.  That is a big man.  I don't need that kind of headache (literally).  But seriously, don't think he nearly as good as Jackson.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68  I watched some of Lucas's games and never once got the impression he had "quick feet".  He's very lumbering.


This might just be where you and I differ in scouting.  I had Lucas as a UDFA, at best.  Tall, big wingspan, but very slow-footed and not agile.  

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se

Lucas has quick feet though....that was not an issue with him like it was with Oscar johnson last year.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  You preferred Gabe Jackson to a guy whose nickname is the BULLDOZIER (all caps, all the time)? 


Dozer the Destroyer does not approve, Harold, he doesn't approve one bit. 

harold
harold

@tjsc68

I preferred Gabe Jackson, but it did not happen.  Unfortunately we don't have a seat in the room.  Hopefully these picks,who to me clearly lack some of the positives of the players I have watched on film, can develop and be positive contributors for us for a long time.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @harold  I see your upside play there, like your affinity for Oscar Johnson last year.


I think both Johnson and Lucas are just way too big and slow-footed to ever really make an impact, though, and even less so here in a Marty offense.  JMHO.  Wouldn't have been opposed to either choice as a late-round flyer (smoke 'em if you got 'em), but not sad at all that we didn't take those guys.

a57se
a57se

@harold  

I wanted the Jets to take a flyer on Cornelius Lucas...... of course he ended up with the Lions....they got 4 guys I really wanted for the Jets in the draft.....

harold
harold

@tjsc68

Memorable.

Bent
Bent moderator

@SackDance99 @Bent @a57se @tsjc68 @jdawggg  


Well, he won a regional title as a HS Senior.  Winters has a longer list of achievements, it would seem, but like you say it does help with leverage and stuff.


On the subject of wrestling, I scouted a player on TJB several years ago called Joe Anoai, a defensive lineman from GT.  About him, I said he was "perhaps headed to WWE after going undrafted".


Sure enough, he now wrestles in a pretty high profile role for WWE.  This is him:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Roman_Reigns_November_2013.jpg

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @Bent

There you go....paying attention to what and who the Jets pick each year makes it a little easier to see where they'll go in the future.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent @a57se@tsjc68@jdawgggI'll answer my own question.  It's impossible to tell.  Ohio is probably a better wrestling state, but Dakota won the SC state championship.  But, we also know that wrestling experience is a good clue on whether the Jets are interested in an OL in the draft.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @tsjc68@jdawgggI disagree.  Winters is as big as Dozier and had better measurables.  Plus, scouts love former wrestlers, and Winters was a good one.  In a draft that wasn't as deep, Winters just rose higher.  FWIW, here's draft profiles of Winters and Dozier:


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=97602&draftyear=2013&genpos=OG


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=92736&draftyear=2014&genpos=OG


With 20/20 hindsight, given Winters' struggles, he may not seem as good a prospect as he was, but a 320 lb OG with a 31 1/2" vertical to go along with a 7.55 (Dozier was 8.14) 3 cone time sounds pretty good.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68  Possible.


They also could have had second round grades on all those guys and been ecstatic when they were all available in the 3rd or 4th.


We're all just speculating here, though, and probably will forever.

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

Not sure if I was clear or you just didn't want to go down that path so I'll try again.

What I am thinking is that a team evaluates a player and puts a draft grade on him regardless of the quality of the draft that player is in. They set up their board in a similar way to what you did with the prospects separated by rounds then sorted by order in those rounds. If that team is 'following its' board' as many GM's like to say after the Draft, then you can get some insight into how they felt about some of their prospects..........the Jets 4th round this year would be a prime example.

You would think if the Jets were indeed following their board they would of had Saunders>>>>Evans>>>>Dozier with a 4th round grade or lower on them though you could argue for a 3rd round grade for the top of the round selection and a 5th round grade for the bottom of the round guy.........

I would think they would of had a 3rd round grade on Winters regardless of the quality of the draft he was in to pick him where they did.


 

 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68  Not sure.  Each team varies.


I'm with you in thinking that Brian Winters at #72 wasn't the best prospect we could have taken and I would have waited on him longer, but I can't say he was a reach because teams value different guys different ways and Brian Winters is a classic upside play in that you don't necessarily think he's the most polished, game-ready guy out of the box but think that with necessary work, he'll end up being really good.


Which he could be.  While he was often on rollerskates, IMHO Winters's biggest flaw was reaction time to set-up and play-diagnosis, and that might just be inexperience.

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

So do you think teams rank players by rounds off comparisons in the Draft they are rating or do they rank them according to some kind of template?

I remember the Jets saying that they had about 15 or 18 prospects with first round grades in 2013.........that would seem to imply a template or standard for achieving first round status.

I would think the same would apply for the third and 4th rounds........


tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68  Can't pass judgement on that yet.  As a small-school guy, we had to know that his learning curve (and physical development curve) would be steeper.  He probably should have sat on the bench for all of 2013 while Vlad played, but the team decided on baptism by fire, and that might end up paying dividends in the end.  We'll see.


And yes, as Brendan said, it's hard to compare the 2013 class to the 2014 one.  This one is just deeper.


Had they both been in the 2013 class, though, I wouldn't have been a fan of bypassing Dozier for Winters (and Marcus and I both wanted Terron Armstead over Winters, for the record).

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Unless you also include the fact that this is supposedly a much, much deeper draft than last year. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se

Since you agree, this brings up an interesting point to me........

Would you characterize Winters as a bad pick by the Jets?  

We both think the 137th pick in this years draft is a better prospect then the 72nd pick from last year.......

That would seem to indicate we reached big time.......