Link: Bargain hunting Jets found quality talent deep

NFL.com’s Bryan Fischer shared his “five best 2014 NFL Draft bargain picks” for the NFC and AFC East and he took two of the Jets Day Three picks.

Trevor Reilly
New York Jets, seventh round (233rd overall)

His knee is still a concern, but this is just a tremendous value for the Jets this late in the draft. He can stand up or put his hand in the ground and will likely do both for Rex Ryan. He can find his way to the backfield or set the edge if needed. He’ll be tremendous on special teams, as well, and should be one of the hardest workers on the team.

Dakota Dozier
New York Jets, fourth round (137th overall)

He’s probably more of a guard than a tackle in the NFL, but there should be no concerns about moving him inside given how strong he is. He’s a small-school kid but handled things just fine when playing top competition and, with a little refinement, should become a starter for the Jets. He still needs a little bit of work against top defensive tackles when pass blocking but should be able to open up running lanes for backs with ease.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

Reilly is an interesting addition for the Jets and they need linebacker depth as well as more special teamers.  As long as his knee checks out to play this season Reilly might be a contributor on special teams.

As far as Dozier the team had excellent results with another small school prospect on their line in recent years in Austin Howard.  Dozier will have a lot of competition this summer for a roster spot, what with the Jets bringing back Willie Colon and then the trio Oday Aboushi, Will Campbell and Ben Ijalana from last year.  Depending on how good of a camp Dozier has, don’t be too surprised if the Jets go with a youth movement.  While Willie Colon is a nice insurance policy, the Idzik’s cutting of veterans like OLs Jason Smith and Stephen Peterman, a DL Antonio Garay and WRs Ben Obomanu and Mohammed Massaquoi demonstrated that just being a veteran wasn’t going to be insure anyone of a roster spot.

We fully expect that at least one position on the line will be up for grabs and don’t be surprised if Dozier isn’t given a shot at it. 





127 comments
jenkins
jenkins

I wanted Watt over Dozier, but SD took him a little earlier than I thought.  Watt will be starting for them in 2015. Watch how he handled Donald last year. But I like Dozier as a Jet starter in 2015, as well. 

Simon Gribben
Simon Gribben

 I loved FB tape.  Small but powerful, can catch and run, and he doesn't block people, he PLANTS them!  The real PANCAKER should replace Bohanon.

maynard
maynard

The gy who somewhat excites me s Reilly. was looking  though a few magazines yesterday and saw one that ranked him as the #9 LB. he seems from everything I've read to be a guy who can set the perimeter on runs, excel on ST, and is sneaky fast and could get to the QB too.


Time will tell but for a 7thy rounder his age is meaningless since most 7th rounder's don't last 2 yr s anyway


I'm stoked for this season( for the 46 the year in  row, but who's counting)

metjetnet
metjetnet

(miketaliaferro) The mantra is Competition. As the man said, "Only the strong survive..." Whoever is best, gets the job & wins our love.

We as fans develop emotional attachments to players, and have a hard time coping with the physical realities of our guy not being able to do it on the same level anymore, or with another player simply being better. It's a cold everyday truth. That's why the GMs & coaches make the big bucks -- they've got to be the ruthless ones. Tough job. Being a fan for 50 years tells me that I'll be a fan of whoever wears the jersey. I just want to see that group of shirts win. Who that is inside those jerseys keeps changing. We cope & move on, rooting for an ever-changing group in those same shirts...

Pat d
Pat d

Besides the first two picks, Dozier is my other favorite pick.

Brendan
Brendan

@Pat d  


I honestly am embarrassed I didn't think of this sooner, but....



DOZER THE DESTROYER

jdawggg
jdawggg

Can't expect Dozier to start soon.  Jets have a pretty bad recent track record taking small school tackles and converting them to guard.  Ducasse was a failure, Winters looks like he will be one too. They should learn from these mistakes.  Especially with Yankey, a two time All American who actually played guard against BCS competition, still on the board, not happy with Dozier pick.  

harold
harold

@jdawgg

Yankey has poor feet, poor power, poor technique and poor quickness.  Besides that he is great.

harold
harold

@tjsc68

Memorable.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68  Can't pass judgement on that yet.  As a small-school guy, we had to know that his learning curve (and physical development curve) would be steeper.  He probably should have sat on the bench for all of 2013 while Vlad played, but the team decided on baptism by fire, and that might end up paying dividends in the end.  We'll see.


And yes, as Brendan said, it's hard to compare the 2013 class to the 2014 one.  This one is just deeper.


Had they both been in the 2013 class, though, I wouldn't have been a fan of bypassing Dozier for Winters (and Marcus and I both wanted Terron Armstead over Winters, for the record).

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68  Not sure.  Each team varies.


I'm with you in thinking that Brian Winters at #72 wasn't the best prospect we could have taken and I would have waited on him longer, but I can't say he was a reach because teams value different guys different ways and Brian Winters is a classic upside play in that you don't necessarily think he's the most polished, game-ready guy out of the box but think that with necessary work, he'll end up being really good.


Which he could be.  While he was often on rollerskates, IMHO Winters's biggest flaw was reaction time to set-up and play-diagnosis, and that might just be inexperience.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68  Possible.


They also could have had second round grades on all those guys and been ecstatic when they were all available in the 3rd or 4th.


We're all just speculating here, though, and probably will forever.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @harold  I see your upside play there, like your affinity for Oscar Johnson last year.


I think both Johnson and Lucas are just way too big and slow-footed to ever really make an impact, though, and even less so here in a Marty offense.  JMHO.  Wouldn't have been opposed to either choice as a late-round flyer (smoke 'em if you got 'em), but not sad at all that we didn't take those guys.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  You preferred Gabe Jackson to a guy whose nickname is the BULLDOZIER (all caps, all the time)? 


Dozer the Destroyer does not approve, Harold, he doesn't approve one bit. 

harold
harold

@tjsc68

I preferred Gabe Jackson, but it did not happen.  Unfortunately we don't have a seat in the room.  Hopefully these picks,who to me clearly lack some of the positives of the players I have watched on film, can develop and be positive contributors for us for a long time.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68  I watched some of Lucas's games and never once got the impression he had "quick feet".  He's very lumbering.


This might just be where you and I differ in scouting.  I had Lucas as a UDFA, at best.  Tall, big wingspan, but very slow-footed and not agile.  

harold
harold

@Brendan

Hopefully he does not take it personal.  That is a big man.  I don't need that kind of headache (literally).  But seriously, don't think he nearly as good as Jackson.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  That makes it sound like you see a big gap between the two, is that the case? 


I think they are in the same pot, and who you like is a matter of preference. 

harold
harold

@tsjc68

Just don't see that.  I was very high on Warford last year see Jackson as a similiar propsect.  Warford was a little more powerful.  But very similiar players, imo.

harold
harold

@Brendan

Feels like last year when people tried to seel me on the Winters is not that big a difference from Warford.

Jackson is much better than Dozier right now.

I like Dozier potential.  Just think Jackson is a surer prospect who still maintains decent upside.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold Jackson should be better right now, he was drafted over a full round before Dozier. 


I think it's obvious at this point that the team doesn't want massive battleship-sized G's. Warford/Jackson are both huge, huge men. 


Winters/Dozier are smaller, so one would think they're screening their G pool for guys that could excel in a ZB scheme. 

harold
harold

@Brendan

Warford played in Detroit scheme which is zone blocking based and was fine.  Good football players who are big and can move are better than little ones who can move in most cases.

That is how I view these two guys.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@harold  Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

Brendan
Brendan

@harold  They moved towards a lot more gap schemes with Warford and considerably less zone than in past years. 


They didn't simply drop him in and keep on chugging, they altered it to fit him and the other new OL better (which is a credit to the team). 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Unless you also include the fact that this is supposedly a much, much deeper draft than last year. 

harold
harold

@Brendan

They made some changes, but as I stated still zone based.  Most systems have some flexibilty to move between zone and man.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @tsjc68@jdawgggI disagree.  Winters is as big as Dozier and had better measurables.  Plus, scouts love former wrestlers, and Winters was a good one.  In a draft that wasn't as deep, Winters just rose higher.  FWIW, here's draft profiles of Winters and Dozier:


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=97602&draftyear=2013&genpos=OG


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=92736&draftyear=2014&genpos=OG


With 20/20 hindsight, given Winters' struggles, he may not seem as good a prospect as he was, but a 320 lb OG with a 31 1/2" vertical to go along with a 7.55 (Dozier was 8.14) 3 cone time sounds pretty good.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent @a57se@tsjc68@jdawgggI'll answer my own question.  It's impossible to tell.  Ohio is probably a better wrestling state, but Dakota won the SC state championship.  But, we also know that wrestling experience is a good clue on whether the Jets are interested in an OL in the draft.

Bent
Bent moderator

@SackDance99 @Bent @a57se @tsjc68 @jdawggg  


Well, he won a regional title as a HS Senior.  Winters has a longer list of achievements, it would seem, but like you say it does help with leverage and stuff.


On the subject of wrestling, I scouted a player on TJB several years ago called Joe Anoai, a defensive lineman from GT.  About him, I said he was "perhaps headed to WWE after going undrafted".


Sure enough, he now wrestles in a pretty high profile role for WWE.  This is him:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Roman_Reigns_November_2013.jpg

Brent J
Brent J

If I'm Breno Giacomini with my midget like 32" arms I'm worried Dakota takes my spot... yes I know everyone projects him to Guard but he's got nearly 2" longer arms then Breno, and although not as tall he is heavier/stouter and still figures to gain more weight and strength in the NFL

Bent
Bent moderator


@Brent J I don't think they're paying Breno $4m a year to sit on the bench.  He's a good player.  If one of the young guys can outperform him, they're exceeding my expectations by a mile.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Brent J  When I did his BGA, Ijalana's pre-injury tape was really good and his post-injury tape was a lot worse.  However, if that was just a matter of him working his way back and he could get back to his pre-injury self then I'd be inclined to agree with you.


Two ACLs on, that may be a tall order though.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @Bent @Brent J  Possible.  I think Ijalana is being groomed as a potential Brick replacement on the left side, though, rather than direct competition for Giacomini on the right.  Ijalana's forte is passblocking; he's a better fit as a blindside protector.



Brent J
Brent J

@Bent @Brent J  good then cut his ass!  he's not very good IMHO and that contract proves his market value as 4m isn't exactly high end quality RT money, and that's the average not the actual amount this year right?

Brendan
Brendan

@Brent J Your opinion matters less than that of, say, the Jets' scouting department, PFF, advanced metrics and Football Outsiders. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brent J  Breno is good.  The Seahawks won a Super Bowl with him in there and he did a great job in the postseason - no sacks, no hits surrendered in three playoff games.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brent J  


that contract proves his market value as 4m isn't exactly high end quality RT money


It's "solidly above average RT" quality money.


Breno got 4yr/18M/7M guaranteed.  

Michael Oher got 4yr/20M/9.5M guaranteed.

Zach Streif got 5yr/20M/8.5M guaranteed.


None of those guys are ProBowlers (although Streif is close), but all of them are decent RTs right around "solidly above average".  

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 @Brent J  Oher was almost a pro bowler.  Almost entirely due to that Sandra Bullock film, but still...


And Harbaugh called him a pro bowl quality tackle last August.

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 Even when they're making fairly reasonable moves (even solid-to-good ones), they still can't help themselves. It's remarkable. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @tsjc68  Any time you can move a $30M investment to a position he's never played before and doesn't really suit him to accommodate Melenik Freakin' Watson, you gotta do it...

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @tsjc68  It's like Reggie McKenzie smartly picks Roger Saffold to add to his team, and then the ghost of Al Davis swooped in, possessed his son, and overrode the move to say WE MUST OVERPAY THAT BIG YOUNG TACKLE INSTEAD AND MOVE HIM OUT OF POSITION SCUTTLE THIS SMART ROGER SAFFOLD DEAL AT ONCE!!!!


I feel bad for Reggie.

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 I feel bad for whatever animal was killed and skinned to sit on Mini-Al's head. That whole situation is horrifying. 

Brent J
Brent J

@tsjc68 @Brent J  yeah and Breno is not a solidly above average RT, thanks for proving my point without me having to dig up the numbers

Brent J
Brent J

@Brendan @Brent J  I don't mind him as a backup, but this is one of the poor decisions by IzDICK this season IMHO.  Mind you IzDICK made several good decisions as well.


And before you ask, I call him IzDICK because he IZ a DICK for trying to get Rex fired.  Rex is our #1 asset, again IMHO

Brendan
Brendan

@Brent J He didn't try to get Rex fired, where in the world did you get that insane idea from? 

Brent J
Brent J

@Brendan @Brent J  judging from his roster moves + the BS contract extension.  Even with the moves last year and least talented team Rex was able to scheme and will us to 8-8 even with a rookie QB and foiled IzDICK's plans

Brendan
Brendan

@Brent J Yeah, giving him an extension when he could have just fired is definitely proof that he wants to get Rex fired. 

Brent J
Brent J

@Brendan @Brent J  no way he could fire Rex after the magic Rex pulled last year.  IzDICK would get slaughtered for incompetence after giving Rex ZERO talent and yet Rex nearly pulled off a playoff run!  Don't you think Rex deserves more than another year as a potential lame duck coach just like he had to go through last year??


Now this year he BADLY screwed up the RT and CB markets in FA.  Had to over pay for Decker but at least he's got talent, great job at RB and getting back some minor contributors elsewhere so there were some positives.  


We'll see on the draftees but I like the first 2 picks and Dozier (I always want to draft lineman on both sides of the ball, loved the 06 draft with D'Brick & Nick and the recent run with all the DLinemen).  I hope the CB McDougle works out because that was a bigger need than WR after he muffed in FA

Brendan
Brendan

@Brent J Lol. 


You really haven't the slightest clue what you are talking about. Breno is a lateral move, at worst. He's a better run blocker than Howard (fact), but he struggles with penalties when he starts losing his technique and starts to get beat. Breno is not a bad player, at all. In fact, in 2011 the Seahawks had the highest YPC running behind the RT in the entire NFL. In other words, they gained more yards running behind Breno than any other NFL team had running behind their RT. Fact. 


Decker was an overpay? They got him for $7mil per, he's making millions of dollars less per year than Mike Wallace, the top contract from the previous season's FA WR crop. That was great value. 


They didn't overpay for a FA CB. Big deal. They are building a defense, not trying to buy one. You really going to be upset when DRC is half-assing it in a Giants uniform next year? Doubtful. 


This idea that Idzik doesn't like Rex is pure insanity. Nothing, literally nothing, supports this claim. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Instead of passive-aggressively disagreeing with me and mocking my point, you could feel free to jump in and actually put your own thoughts in this. 


I submit that Rex and Idzik have an excellent working relationship based on everything they've said and done publicly to date. 


Do you agree or disagree, 57? 


Brent J
Brent J

@Brendan @Brent J  I certainly do have a clue, I just have a different opinion than you.  No need to get personal but I'll let it slide and continue to discuss with you because you took the time to respond in detail :-)


Breno is average at best, he's older than Howard, has less physical talent (makes up in effort) and has short 32" arms.  I want above average studs all across both lines.  I value line play more than play at skill positions.  You may be ok/fine with overpaying Breno and having an average (again at best) RT but I'm not!


Yes Decker is over paid at 7.25 mil, that is basically #1 WR money for a #2 WR.  Now don't get me wrong, great "hands catching" WR who put up great numbers under Peyton and he will be our #1 WR even though he isn't "A #1 WR".  I like the pickup, he's way better than what we had, etc but still he's over paid (in IzDICKs defense he prob had to over pay to get him to sign here).  I don't care about Wallace's contract and I don't consider that one a good measuring stick for accurate market value of players


Missed on Davis who they supposedly had wrapped up going into FA, prob due to IzDICK's slowness or stubbornness.  Then snubbed by Verner.  Failed on Revis, then totally screwed up the DRC deal after getting desperate and trying hard to sign him (To your point I don't mind this miss so much but it's in a long line of misses at this position!).  Finally failed to bring back Cro for 500k more than he got stuck with paying Dimitri effing Patterson after he played musical chairs in FA and got caught at the end with no one left!


If you don't agree then how do you explain the bogus lame duck again contract IzDICK gave Rex then?  also can you please call him IzDICK?  when you write Idzik I don't know who you are talking about lol :-D

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se 57, do you agree or disagree that Idzik and Rex have a good working relationship? 

Brendan
Brendan

@Brent J Saying you don't have a clue wasn't being personal, it was being honest. You actually put some thought into this post, but until this it was just "he's worse!" and Manish-level Idzik bashing. 


"Average at best." This is quite a stretch. Last year, even with injuries limiting his play, he was average as far as his PFF grade goes. Regarding age, they're both in their prime, Breno is a little less than a year and a half older, but I fail to see why that's relevant. Both are in their physical primes and are easily cut if they start to fall off in the latter years of their deal. In a league with constant roster turnover and unguaranteed contracts, age tends to not matter as much on this mid-term type deals. 


"I want above-average studs all across both lines." Well, good. That's what you already have. If you actually mean you want above-average studs at every OL/DL position, well, that's unreasonable. That's on you, not the team. Paying a starting-caliber RT $4 million APY is not overpaying. You either don't think Breno is a starting caliber RT (wrong) or you think $4 million isn't fair value for a starting-caliber RT (also wrong). 


Decker is not overpaid. He makes the same APY as Stevie Johnson and only slightly more than guys like Brian Hartline and Golden Tate. He's appropriately paid. 


They missed out at Davis because the Colts came in at the 11th hour and trumped the Jets' offer, which Davis was about to take. Home court advantage, that stuff happens all the time. They didn't go after Verner. They didn't go after Revis. They did slow-play the DRC deal, but he also is a lunatic. He almost retired, he's on his 5th or 6th team and the Giants gave him a huge contract based on a contract year where he vastly outplayed his level of play in previous season. I'm perfectly fine slow-playing him, Patterson is probably just as good and I'd take Walls/Lankster playing on peanuts over DRC playing for $7 million. So, he missed on Davis and DRC, and that's it. He didn't want Cro. That's not "missing out" on a guy, it's him waving bye-bye to a difficult player and leaky faucet to the media. 


How do I explain his deal? It's an incentive-laden deal, meaning Rex essentially took less money to continue coaching here. Rex and Idzik have a good relationship, they want to build this thing together, but just like every player on this team, Rex isn't bigger than the big picture. His deal is guaranteed through 2015, with playoff incentives and triggers that can guarantee money in 2016 and/or beyond. It's not a "lame duck one year extension" and if that's your understanding then, again, that's on you. 


I will not take part in a childish act to call the GM of the team I root for a bad word just to appease a fan who makes up his mind about every move before it's even made.