Link: From static to dynamic

ESPN had an NFL experts panel answer 50 questions on a number of questions from around the league. There were a few that touched on issues with the Jets, but none more directly Jets related than this one:

Who is the best playmaker the New York Jets could take in the first round (No. 18) to make this offense more dynamic in 2014?

McShay: It all depends on who is available when the Jets are on the clock, but three guys in particular jump out at me as good options for the Jets at No. 18: Clemson’s Sammy Watkins is the most talented and has the best skill set of any wide receiver in this draft; USC’s Marqise Lee isn’t the biggest receiver, but he has big league speed both as a route-runner and after the catch; Texas A&M’s Mike Evans is the third-ranked WR on our board, so he could slide to the Jets, but he’s so impressive on tape that it wouldn’t surprise me if he is the first receiver off the board. No receiver in this class is better at going up and getting the ball than Evans.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

The Jets desperately need to add more talent at the receiver position to help Jeremy Kerley and David Nelson round out one of the least efficient passing offenses from the 2013 season. 2012 second rounder Stephen Hill hasn’t realized the upside the team saw in him when they drafted him under Mike Tannenbaum and while John Idzik might have assured Hill that the team has a plan for the young receiver, that plan might involve fishing or cutting bait if he doesn’t see marked improvement in his third year.

The Jets do need to find upgrades to their offense and adding a dynamic pass catcher seems to be the the consensus from most anyone writing up mock drafts these days. While it is still early, this 2014 draft class has the potential to be the with six first round receivers since 2009. Any of the players mentioned above by McShay would seem to be a welcome addition to the Jets, but beyond drafting a player who can come in and produce in year one, the Jets will also need to add legitimate WR2 talent through free agency.

We’ll be sure to post a few more interesting questions and answers in the next few days and how they apply to the Jets from this article …




204 comments
_BPP_
_BPP_

Taking Isaiah Crowell and Colt Lyerla with our compensatory 7th rounders would make me pretty happy.

Quincy Miles
Quincy Miles

Hasn't it been shown countless times that 1st Round WR's don't do much in terms of actual increases in victories (I know JetsBlog isn't fans of CHFF, but the data is pretty compelling)?  A stud TE seems like a much more sound choice (Ebron or Amare if I'm not mistaken are likely to be available and phenomenal talents).

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

Like everyone, I know the Jets O is uncompetitive and can't even be confident in achieving double digits against any  team. Therefore, I want them to use their first few draft choices on O. However, I'd be surprised if they actually did it given their track record. And I'm afraid that Idzik has joined Rex in believing that only D wins games after the Seahawks' SB win. So Jets' draftnicks better be prepared to be disappointed and either avoid the balcony or bring a parachute.


Talking dynamic O players is fun, but I'll believe it when I see it

Signed, 

Been there before.

bob
bob

Wait doh minute.. "oh ya'... I like saying dat one.. .... wait doh minute.


Oh ya dats better.

dantheman
dantheman

They need to sign at least two starting caliber receiving options.  That can be through draft or free agency.  I'm really interested in Ebron for one of those options.  He could be available at 18, and make an immediate impact.  It's a deep WR draft, so they could get a WR in round 2 and sign a top FA WR and suddenly the weekness becomes a strength.

D'Apostraphe Lewis
D'Apostraphe Lewis

If Watkins is still available at #10, do you trade up for him? Would it absolutely have to cost us our 2nd round pick to do so?

j3tsfan29
j3tsfan29

If I was idzik, I would sign Aqib talib. I would try to get Jarius Byrd and if not then Jared Allen. Could you imagine a Jared Allen, Barnes, Wilkerson, Richardson, Harrison, coples d front? Ooooweee!!! Fill out the defense in fa. Then draft offense offense and more offense. Just my opinion tho.

Stanley Bostitch
Stanley Bostitch

On question 32, they ask "who is the most underrated free agent this offseason" and Riddick answers "Seattle Seahawks CB Walter Thurmond"


"While both issues (durability and dependability) will suppress his value on the open market, this is a veryskilled player who can play inside (nickel) and outside on the corner, use press and off coverage technique and play in zone or man coverage disciplines effectively. And, get this … he will tackle, which is not a given at his position."


Will be interesting to see if Idzik goes after him, as he'd know him better than just about any other non-Seattle team.

dabronx
dabronx

Everyone is on the WE or TE bandwagon. Izdick has a "best player" draft mentality. The '14 draft is deep with WR's. He just might draft a defensive player.

a57se
a57se

@jake100  

Nothing new here just a rehash of earlier speculation without substance,

a57se
a57se

@_BPP_  

I like the idea of taking Lyerla but I have to wonder if Chip Kelly isn't thinking of taking him as well......we may have to jump in a little sooner for him but IF his head is screwed on straight, he is as good a TE prospect as any in the draft.

a57se
a57se

@frustjetfn  

Idzik only drafts the Best Player so it doesn't matter offense or defense....

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100  Well, he's right. Brandon Browner is about to sue the NFL over a weed suspension, this is going to be a topic of discussion allllll offseason, get ready. 

a57se
a57se

@j3tsfan29  

I agree with you on filling out the D through free agency and drafting heavy on Offense but Jared Allen?

a57se
a57se

@dabronx  

Izdick has a "best player" draft mentality. 

Really? Brian Winters was the 'best player' in the 3rd round last draft?

Oday Aboushi was the 'best player' in the 5th round?

William Campbell was the 'best player' in the 6th round?

Tommy Bohanon was the 'best player' in the 7th round?


I don't think so.

_BPP_
_BPP_

@a57se

Good point.

Crowell and Lyerla are unquestionably the best talents at their positions. I honestly wouldn't mind taking them as high as our comp 5. 

With as many as 12 picks in the draft, a lottery ticket or two isn't a bad idea.

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 Just throwing this out there: The Jets scored 25.25 points in the final month of the season. 


When Geno protected the ball, the offense was "fine." Obviously you want better than "fine," so upgrades are needed, but I think people will be overstating how far off the offense really is up until the draft. 

Ron Alexander
Ron Alexander

@a57se @frustjetfn  Yeah like Brian Winters,Oday Oboushi,Will Campbell and freak'n Tommy Bohannon. All the best at their positions in last years draft! (yeah righ!)

D'Apostraphe Lewis
D'Apostraphe Lewis

@a57se @D'Apostraphe Lewis  Great chart, thanks. And I agree, we have too many holes to be so aggressive and move up for one draft prospect. It's round 2-7 where the Seahawks built their championship team, and Idzik probably will be coveting those picks, as he should be.

j3tsfan29
j3tsfan29

He recorded 11.5 sacks in 2013 with Minnesota. With Wilkerson and Richardson commanding double teams Allen would flourish IMO. As long as we're not overpaying him(idzik seems to be able to manage not to) I think he would be an awesome addition. He would also allow Barnes, coples more chances at free rushes at the qb. Again I'd take Byrd first but if not then Allen would allow qbs less time to throw. Just my thoughts.

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/playercard?playerId=5651&src=desktop

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

Do you have any sources for that assertion? just curious......

D'Apostraphe Lewis
D'Apostraphe Lewis

@a57se @dabronx  I just don't see a point in judging our 5th-7th round picks based on one season. We have no idea what kind of improvement Campbell and Aboushi made behind the scenes in their first year in the NFL. 


Yes, we missed on Keenan Allen, but Winters did start to come around by the end of last season. Lets wait until next year to fully pass judgment on the 2013 draft. As it is, I'm pretty happy with Sheldon, Milliner, and Geno. 


And it can not be overlooked how many reps our rookies got in a "rebuilding" season.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se BPA isn't a hindsight strategy, stop playing stupid. 

a57se
a57se

@_BPP_ @a57se 

I stand corrected on the comp picks.....last time I looked he had us with 2 7ths and no 5th...interesting!

I read the same exact piece then I went to draft breakdown and watched bothe games they had taPE FOR.

a57se
a57se

@_BPP_ @a57se 

No....

Crowell is impressive! Nice find but can he catch the ball out of the backfield? Is his head on straight now?

From a pure RB POV, he looks very, very good.

_BPP_
_BPP_

@a57se

I thought he said DeVito should be a five.

a57se
a57se

@_BPP_ @a57se 

I don't think we're getting a 5th round comp pick...at least not according to Bent......he thinks the best we can hope for is a 4th, 6th and 2 7ths'....

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 You are right 50% of the time? Let's keep a running tally for this offseason and put that to the test. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Where did I "BLOW" it out of proportion? 


Joey agreed with me, then had to throw his last little dig in there at the end because he couldn't leave it at an amicable ending. 


I gave it a shot, you're 100% going on ignore again, I don't need to get stressed out because someone on the internet has an obsession with trying to prove me wrong. 

a57se
a57se

@jake100 @Brendan 

typical Brendan...

make a comment, brendan BLOWS it out of proportion and responds to you like you are an idiot, the difference between you and I Joey, is I don't put up with that nonsense...you are a lot nicer towards him then I will EVER be.

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 Joey, you can't even laugh with me without arguing. 


Jesus. It was a joke, way to take a positive exchange and make it crappy. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 Haha, sweet, I now look forward to breaking down some other subject to the nitty gritty until we find a singular, solitary statement that we can agree on until we find the next topic to discuss. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 @Brendan  


"Agreed, but you still have to score!!!!!"


Which they did to the tune of 25 points a game once Geno stopped derping it up. 


Remember, I did say they need upgrades, but it's not the drastic overhaul you are making it out to be. 3 players could be the difference, it really is that close. The offense went up a full touchdown per game once Geno settled in and they went back to the gameplan they used to start the season. 


I understand the concern, and I expect them to give a lot of attention to the offense, but it's not like they're working with an FCS school's Wing-T offensive roster. They've got some good players, they just need more. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100  Okay, great, thanks for ignoring my comment supported by fact to just repeat your cliche'd response. 


Turnovers are the issue, always have been. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 Joey, name me the last time a NY Jets beat reporter broke any Jets-related news. 


Idzik beat the crap out of them this year. He gave every story to one of the other outlets and basically had Manish, Cimini and everyone else guessing and looking stupid. They still are. If anyone is still taking the Jets' beat's word as gospel, they're fooling themselves. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 No one pays attention to the media anymore, Joey. 


That statement you love to use ("the media is having a ______ with this comment!") becomes less and less relevant because the media is literally saying less and less. They jump on stuff like this because they're starrrrrrrrrrrrving for something they can beat over our heads for a couple weeks. 


To put it another way, most of the country doesn't care that Cro said this. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 I don't think he'd care. 


Like I said, it's going to be a common question asked to all notable players this year. Two states have it legal for recreational use already and it serves literally no performance-related purpose. It's not performance enhancing. I'd say the league stops testing for it inside of 5 years. 

a57se
a57se

@jake100 @Brendan 

He knows he is getting cut but bringing negative attention onto yourself isn't the smartest thing to do....then again, no one has ever confused Cro with a Rhodes Scholar.

a57se
a57se

@D'Apostraphe Lewis

The point wasn't so much the merits of the draft itself but the philosophy of Idzik and his approach to building the roster. 

Brendan is a Rah-Rah person and gets upset if anyone isn't on board with that or questions what the Jets do.

I am a free thinker and question just about everything...Brendan doesn't understand half of what I post so he creates these ridiculous arguments.....then he gets mad and ignores me for a few weeks.

The Blog survives and we all move on.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Like u have any right to complain about how people talk to you on here.

Brendan
Brendan

@DrJonathanReefer  He took two guys they expected to be guards and a swing tackle/guard who might end up there as well. That must be because Idzik loves big fat guys, and not because they had them at the top of their board. 

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Just go back to ignoring him and talking about hikm like he isn't here!!

His "you don't know" arugement is dumb because how the hell does he know?

Neither know but his draft history from

Last year says he drafts BPA. Boss Hogg, Geno and Campbell all reak of BPA.

He has know idea what he is ever talking about and his player assessment has been horrible too. No idea where he gets this I'm always right mentality from.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I said you were playing stupid. Then you doubled down on what is a very stupid thing to say, so I figured maybe I was giving you too much credit by saying you were "playing." 


Don't say stupid things and they won't be called stupid, what do you want me to tell you? 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

Yeah, calling people stupid really fosters comraderie on a Blog!

Brendan
Brendan

@DrJonathanReefer  And he wondered why I went 2 weeks without responding to him once. Look what happens when I do. 

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

You'd argue that water wasn't wet if we all started saying it was.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Don't you know. 57s opinion on everything IS THE ONLY OPINION!!

All hail our football Messiah!! Knower of all and is ALWAYS correct on every assessment!

-_- gimme a break.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  Oh, so my term applies when you want to use it? 


Sheldon was the BPA at the time because he was the top ranked player on the Jets draft board at the 13th pick. 


That is all there is to this. 

a57se
a57se

@dabronx @a57se 

He turned out to be just that but that doesn't mean he was at the time he was drafted. That is 'hindsight BPA'.

Rex had planned on moving Coples to the Rush LB spot all off-season so we 'needed' another D'Lineman.

I'd argue he was need as much as BPA.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

Step 1: I respond to someone who says that " Izdick has a "best player" draft mentality" ; Not a BPA strategy or a Best Player that suits a Need strategy but a "best player" draft mentality and continues by saying that although we need TE and WR he may just draft defense, I point out that none of our draft picks from the 3rd round on in 2013 were the "best Players" based on pre-draft analysis at the time of the draft (though I didn't say based on pre-draft analysis, I assumed people would understand that). 

Step 2: You jump into a conversation with a rant about me being ridiculous and stupid because you feel an obsessive need to defend everything Idzik has done and move the point of the discussion away from where it started to some debate about BPA though the way you first approach it it is a PURE BPA as Reefer referred to yesterday but through many convoluted comments you ended up at Best player available who fills a need.


Step 3: You immediately delve into personal attacks and try and drag others into the fray like Joey by lying and sayiing I tried to get him banned when it was, in fact you!


Step 4: then you insult Joey as well by pointing out that he is taking my side of the debate as if he is a complete moron and never gets anything right.


Step 5: Then you make a self serving statement like the comment I am now responding to.


None of this was necessary or needed on this Blog and only happened because you can't even keep your word.



Brendan
Brendan

@a57se That's a weird way of saying that I was right. 


I'll go step by step so your stupid self can follow. 


Step 1: you said, among other players the Jets drafted, that ""Brian Winters was the 'best player' in the 3rd round last draft?"" You said this in order to be a jerk to someone who posted about BPA. 


Step 2: I point out that you are using hindsight (the fact that Winters wasn't on par with other 3rd rounders) as justification for it not being BPA. 


Step 3: I point out that you're mischaracterizing the BPA strategy, which you were. 


Step 4: You get salty, follow me around and negate anything I post, not just in this discussion. 


Step 5: I make this post, hopefully ending this discussion, but knowing full well that it won't. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

What? Just ignore me please.....your comments are getting more incoherent the further on this goes.....

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Idiot, When you say ""Brian Winters was the 'best player' in the 3rd round last draft?" you're comparing him to everyone else in the 3rd round. How can you say a guy is better or worse? Based on their play. You're saying Winters is worse than those players based on his Season 1 play, hence my comment. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Who said anything about Seasons???

Talking with you is a waste of time sometimes.....

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se "BPA" strategy is not about who is the best player after Season 1. That proves you do not understand the philosophy. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

They were NOT the Best players Available...they MAY have been the best available according to Idziks priorities.

Is this that difficult for you to distinguish?

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  Nope, that's what you were doing. 


"Brian Winters was the 'best player' in the 3rd round last draft?

Oday Aboushi was the 'best player' in the 5th round?

William Campbell was the 'best player' in the 6th round?

Tommy Bohanon was the 'best player' in the 7th round?"


Please, do explain how the above translates to "I'm not comparing them to the players drafted behind them and using that to say they weren't the BPA." 

I'll wait. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

You are so full of it...you ASSUMED I was doing the latter and went into attack mode and this is why you should just ignore me....

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

"when I saw "BPA" I'm saying "BPA based on team need, player skill, measurements, potential, etc."'

This is all I have been saying. If Best Player Available is based on Team Need, then it is a need based drafting strategy. That is why you take a Brian Winters over the guys we could have taken...NOT because he is the BEST player available, he is the best at a NEED the team is trying to address.

When you spend THREE picks on the O'line in succession, that INDICATES a predetermined Draft Target of the O'line which you ridiculed me for saying earlier.

Geno Smith was the best player available at a position of need as well as Richardson and Milliner. I have said this ALL ALONG.

If we had Revis, Sherman, Verner, Cro and Shields as our 5 CB's, we would NOT have drafted Milliner.

If we had Geno Atkins, JJ Watt, Aldon Smith, Jared Allen, Julius Peppers and Mo Wilkerson on the defensive line we WOULD NOT of drafted Sheldon Richardson.

Brendan
Brendan

@Joe/Orlando 


Questioning whether the team had Winters ranked as highly as they say? Fair. I would disagree based on what we knew before the draft, but that's fair. 


Acting like they didn't take a BPA approach because Winters turned out to not be the "best player" available at that pick? Insane and wrong. 


57 was doing the latter, which is why I called him out on it. 

Joe/Orlando
Joe/Orlando

@Brendan Well, that's right...I do think they're basically BPA, but honestly I don't think it's as strict as you're portraying it. 


Actually, I think when you say "BPA based on team need, player skill, measurements, potential, etc." that's probably about right and I'd guess most teams operate that way.  But I wouldn't call that BPA then because you're mixing up your board based on need or lack thereof. 


So when 57 (and I don't want to defend him necessarily...and I'm sure he doesn't need or want me to) questions whether Winters was the BPA at the slot we took him, I think that's a fair question. To me, it's essentially asking to what extent "team need" - which you agree may be a factor - went into that pick.  And personally, my guess is that it factored a fair amount into that pick.  Which makes it a pretty big stretch in my eyes to say we strictly adhere to BPA.


Bytor
Bytor

@Brendan @Bytor  If you piece it together, they probably had a mid-first round grade on Geno. They probably looooved DMill and Sheldon enough to feel comfy passing on Geno. Comes the 2nd and Geno's still there they must have been beside themselves. Repeat the last two words in you post...

Brendan
Brendan

@Bytor 


"Maybe last year they weren't planning on drafting a qb but along comes Geno in the 2nd and he's far away the best prospect on their board. Aaaand they kinda need a qb. Poof, the rest is history."


Exactly. 


They gave Geno a first round grade, they needed a QB, they were comfortable taking him at #13....but they didn't. Because their board said "HEY! THIS GUY IS REALLY GOOD, SO GOOD YOU HAD HIM IN THE TOP 5 OF THE ENTIRE DRAFT....TAKE HIM!" 

Bytor
Bytor

@Joe/Orlando @Brendan  You can also look at Richardson as a need pick. Coples goes to rush backer which opens up a hole on the line. They probably use some variation of BPA up to a point. They are not drafting a center, even if the prospect is revolutionary epic specimen that would make Mangold cry. 


Maybe last year they weren't planning on drafting a qb but along comes Geno in the 2nd and he's far away the best prospect on their board. Aaaand they kinda need a qb. Poof, the rest is history.

Brendan
Brendan

@Joe/Orlando Two instances, if you're going by my comment (Cimini confirmed that Boss Hogg was top-4 on their board before the draft). And that was with 5 minutes spent on Google, I'm willing to bet we can find more, and the best would be if I could watch a bunch of his pressers from pre-draft last year, when I know he mentioned (albeit briefly, as is his style) how they assemble the board, etc. He did give us a peak last year, but I just can't find it online right now. 


I've said this before, but when I saw "BPA" I'm saying "BPA based on team need, player skill, measurements, potential, etc."


It's not "skills in a vacuum" which is how many people take that comment. The Jets' board factors in things like "we have Nick Mangold, so centers are not a priority." They'll have a 1st round center in their 2nd round of names because they don't need him, to put an example to it. 


And I'd like to thank you for keeping an even keel in this discussion. At least you're stance is "I think you're right, but let's be 100%," which is a debate and discussion worth having. 


57 piggy-backing on your fair comments with his "I spent SO MANY HOURS watching tape and since I'm a completely untrained NFL scout you should totally listen to my arbitrary rankings that I reference at least once a week to prove how smart I am!" (that might not be a direct quote) stuff just makes it harder to have that convo. 

a57se
a57se

@Joe/Orlando @Brendan 

I agree with you Joe and based on the hundreds of hours I put into looking at Draft prospects and especially the ones who might suit the Jets, I find it difficult to believe the players I listed initially (our 3rd, 5th, 6th and 7th round picks in 2013) were the best players on our board. 

If they were, then our scouting department is a lot worse then I ever thought and we are really in trouble......

Joe/Orlando
Joe/Orlando

@Brendan Well, not to put too fine a point on it but Idzik can't have commented that many times on his draft strategy or someone would produce one of these comments.  Or if it was really so cut and dried there would be a nice, neat article on it we could point to.  So far we have a grand total of one comment that vaguely indicates we picked the BPA in one instance.  And it also happened to fill a glaring need.  And I'd agree that just looking at it, Richardson looks like a BPA pick as well.


I'm always interested in how the the teams I follow operate internally, and obviously this is hard to figure out.  I assume most of us feel the same way...but I think we just need to be careful not to project our wishes on management and pretend we know that the team operates the way we'd want it to.  That's why I'm not arguing that the Jets don't pick BPA.  Only that if there is evidence that we're strictly BPA I'd legitimately like to see it because I follow this team as closely as anyone here and I have not seen what you seem to think is out there.

Brendan
Brendan

@Joe/Orlando Idzik has commented numerous times about their draft board, it's not really an opinion that he values it more than anything else. The Milliner answer was confirmed by the media, fwiw. It really wasn't just Idzik doing "GM speak," Tanny isn't running the show anymore. Also, he's explicitly stated he wants to emulate what he did in Seattle, which is a board-dictated draft strategy. 


Someone was in here the other night posting comments Idzik made, but I can't find the article now. 


I'm not just making this up to win an argument with 57, I don't need any backup to prove him wrong. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  I've asked to have Hank banned before, when he literally came here every single day and trolled the board. Last night's Incognito love-fest excluded, Hanker's been pretty....normal, lately. Joey? We've had a few dust-ups, so to speak, but overall? Pretty fair back-and-forth the past few weeks. 


You are the constant. I didn't speak to you for two weeks, but you were still on here every day hacking away at the comments like a drunken medieval knight. I've disagreed with nearly everyone who's posted the past two weeks at one time or another, Harold and I will never see eye-to-eye on some stuff, but it's kept civil. I know you'll say this is wrong, I'm lying, etc., but I'm not. It's the truth. I haven't had a single long, awful argument that cluttered this blog for almost a month. In fact, this one we're in the middle of is (shockingly) the longest I've had since I put you on ignore. Hm. 


I did ask Joey to be banned way back when, btw. Because he invited his legion of dumb-dumbs from the Stream to come here and intentionally tried to mess with the blog. He's since come back and, while still harboring some of his old tricks, has seemed to be a much more worthwhile contributor to the community. The fact that you're seriously acting like you didn't ever call for Joey to be banned is hilarious. You call ME a liar? Hahaha, oh my god that's good. 


Frustrated Jet? When have I ever called for him to be banned? We're on opposite ends of the optimism spectrum, but I don't think we've ever once had a disrespectful exchange. 


What's hysterical about this little rant of yours, 57, is that you hated all the people you listed while they were posting here.


Bradysucks started off talking about nothing but Sanchez, we all complained (you included), Bent told him to chill with the Sanchez stuff...and here we are. BS and I have been exchanging comments for however long, without issue. 


You're thinking of something else that Bent verified, it was not "who wanted Joey banned," that was about a pre-draft proclamation about a player that I mistakenly pegged on you. 

Joe/Orlando
Joe/Orlando

@Brendan @Joe/Orlando  Well again, you posted examples where I agree that we can reasonably assume they picked the players they did because they were BPA. But keep in mind that Milliner certainly did fill a need as well so if we're trying to determine what Idzik's philosophy is (which is what we're doing because we don't actually know) it's hard to count that as solid evidence for BPA.


The point is though that beyond the Milliner comments, unless there's something out there everyone has missed and no one can find, Idzik has not said much of anything about BPA. And the Milliner comments were made in response to a Revis question, so that was going to be the answer regardless of the truth.


Bottom line is that not having access to the Jets draft board, we don't know if Idzik maintains a strict BPA strategy or not.


On a totally unrelated thought, I wonder if Tommy Bohanon, good college buddy with John Idzik's son, was BPA.  That would certainly be a remarkable coincidence...

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Now you are back to lying about what I have or haven't said.

You are the one who tried to get Joey banned, Hank Banned and others, I was against banning any of them you have suggested.

If it was up to you, i would have been banned, Pete B., Frustrated Jet, Arthur, Post Corner and anyone else who doesn't share your opinions on the Jets. you even wanted to ban bradysucks when he was constantly complaining about Sanchez.

Bent could verify this very easily and I believe he did last time we went through this nonsense.


Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Dude, I hope Joey remembers that you were literally campaigning for his banishment from TJB before you two go out and hit up a carnival or something since you're new besties. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Joe/Orlando  ;akjgha;jhfg;ahga;g I just typed a long response and it got deleted. Here's the cliff notes version (so if I come across as being short with you, that's why):


Idzik responding to "did you just draft Milliner to replace Revis?" question:


"That is wrong and had nothing to do with it," Idzik said. "It was purely based on the player. And, it may be perceived that way, but the reality is: Dee was one of our highest-ranked players, regardless of position, on our board. So, we took him."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/25/dee-milliner-jets-draft-2013-nfl-draft_n_3159218.html


"This was considered a luxury pick because the Jets had drafted defensive linemen in the previous two first rounds, but Idzik listened to his scouts and truly selected the best available athlete. Richardson was rated among the top four players on their draft board, so Idzik jumped at the chance to grab him at No. 13 (from the Revis trade)."


http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/30905/john-idziks-midseason-grade-b


In other words, the Jets had both guys ranked in their top-4, and got them at 9 & 13. Board dictated those picks. 


I'm really busy at work, so I can't dig into the interwebz for more of these, but Idzik just this week stated he wants to replicate the Seattle philosophy, which is actually nearly identical to Rex's. In Seattle, they wanted talent, but players who fit their mindset. They went into the pre-draft process looking for "Seahawks" more than anything. That's what Rex has been talking up here for five years, finding "New York Jets." Any time the media questions him on the draft, he brings up their process, the board, etc. The guy is the most meticulous person to ever run this team, he's very precise and orderly, he's coming from a team that drafts BPA. 


If I'm making any leaps in logic, they're so small you can barely see them. It's out there, you just have to put it together. 


And acting like Winters wasn't a BPA pick is laughable. He was highly-touted as a smaller-school OL, that pick was highly regarded at the time. His play being sub-par doesn't change the fact he was a draft board-dictated pick as well. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Oh yeah, joey couldn't possible be right about anything so if he takes anyones' side in a discussion we should automatically assume that side is wrong......Thanks for reminding me how you feel about joey, Brendan!

Joe/Orlando
Joe/Orlando

@Brendan @jake100  What "words" Brendan, aside from the Milliner comments who he didn't even say was the BPA (although I think it's fair to assume he was)?  If you have another example of Idzik talking about "sticking to the the board" or "BPA" I'd like to see it because I don't recall hearing him say it nor can I find a reference.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Where did I personally attack you? I never said you were stupid. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I'm not wrong. I'm not even close to wrong. The fact that Joseph is your backup here should be quite telling here, no? 



a57se
a57se

@jake100 @a57se@Brendan 

I hear ya Joey.......You can tell real quick with brendan because he resorts to personal attacks almost immediately when he is wrong.

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 "Not biting" because you can't respond without looking like mini-57. 


You don't know what the draft board was, but we have the words of a GM who isn't one to mince words. Their draft board dictates their picks. Could they have taken an OG who was #3 on their board at the time when they had a DE/DT and C ranked above him? Sure, I would expect that. 


Acting like they jumped all over the place just to ZOMG DRAFT ANOTHER GUARD WE NEED GUARDS! is just mind-numbingly stupid. 


They drafted per their board, the guys they took with every pick were at the top of their board at the time of the pick. Saying otherwise and then telling anyone who disagrees they're wrong is literally going against everything Idzik has said on the subject, and in 57's case it's just so he can be a know-it-all and disagree with me. Unlike you, who I think might just be misinformed. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @jake100 

He knows what it looked like the same as you did......but his argument is 'stupid' right?

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 Based on what, Joseph? You know what their draft board looked like at each pick? 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Well let's review the facts:

we signed Colon early in free Agency.

we signed Peterman when we didn't take a O'linemen early in the draft.

Then we drafted 3 more Offensive Linemen.

We cut down to our 53 man roster with 9 O'linemen after cutting peterman but we signed Ijalana to make it 10 O'

linemen again.

Sure does seem like we threw a ton of resources at the guard positions and O'line depth to me and saw what sticked...then we forced Winters into the starting line-up even though he wasn't ready.


Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Just to recap:


a57se, resident NFL savant, thinks that John Idzik took two guards and another guy who might end up a guard because of a "saturation draft" approach instead of a BPA/board-directed approach. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @Joe/Orlando 

Like any GM would say NO, I took a lesser player because we had a compelling need and I just decided to reach for another guy....

Are you really that naive???

It is pretty clear Idzik decided to use a saturation draft approach on the offensive line...then he drafted his son's college buddy in the 7th....None of them were the BPA on the Jets board and if you think they were....well I feel sorry for you then. The BEST you can say about those picks (3rd, 5th and 6th round) is they were the Best Available Player at the targeted position......Which is another way of saying they were need/want picks.

Brendan
Brendan

@Joe/Orlando He said it about other players. He's been asked his draft strategy in the past, he always went back to their draft board. I also recall someone saying that Idzik even spoke on his strategy regarding FA and the draft this week and spoke specifically about the draft being about their board (I don't have a link and didn't see this myself, so I am not sure if it's legit). 


But the fact is, Idzik, whenever questioned on philosophy/strategy, has gone back to his board.  

Joe/Orlando
Joe/Orlando

@Brendan @Joe/Orlando  Right, although I'm not sure Idzik said he was BPA specifically, Milliner was supposedly one of the top four players on our board.  


But I don't see how we get from that one statement on Milliner to declaring it a fact that the Jets adhere to a strict BPA strategy across the board.

Brendan
Brendan

@Joe/Orlando Idzik has stated so in the past. When the media went with their typical low-brow questioning after the draft and asked about Milliner being Revis' replacement, Idzik flat out said he was the best guy on their board at the 9th pick, so that's why, nothing to do with Revis or needing to replace him. Team need didn't dictate it, the media, the loss of a best player and the fans didn't dictate it, the board the team's scouting put together did. 

Joe/Orlando
Joe/Orlando

@Brendan @a57se  Honest question: How do you know The Jets/Idzik always go BPA?  I don't think we've been privy to their draft board.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  Hahaha you are so ridiculous it defies description. 


The Jets use a BPA strategy, meaning they take the best player on their board that is available to them. They did it with Dee Milliner, they did it with Sheldon, they did it with Winters. 


You can criticize the scouting that led to the board they created, that's fine. Acting like they knowingly took lesser players is a mind-numbingly stupid stance to take. They draft THEIR BPA, not yours or mine. 



a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

You are just wrong brendan.....and calling me stupid just reflects poorly on yourself .

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Okay, maybe you weren't playing. Maybe you actually are stupid. 


Your hindsight is irrelevant. They were the BPA picks based on the New York Jets' draft board. 


They were BPA, your rating of the picks doesn't factor into this at all. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Stupid? Hindsight strategy?

I hated these picks the at the time we drafted them and NONE of them were lauded as good picks BY ANYBODY!

BullPuckey revisionist history is stupid.