Link: Is Ebron the right fit for the Jets?

In Rich Cimini’s sunday smorgasbord for ESPN NY, he wrote about potential target for the Jets in the first round, Eric Ebron and shared some concerns a scout had about Ebron’s physicality for the NFL game.

The pre-draft speculation has focused on the Jets’ need at wide receiver, but let’s not forget, their tight-end depth chart is almost barren. Word is they’re very intrigued by North Carolina tight end Eric Ebron. Projected as a mid-first-round pick, Ebron will be linked to the Jets in plenty of mock drafts over the next 2 1/2 months. He’s the kind of pass-catching threat they need, but there are some questions. “I don’t think he’s tough enough to run down the seam and catch the ball in the middle,” an AFC personnel executive said. “Is he a great athlete? Yes. Does he have good hands? Yes. Can he catch the ball in traffic? I don’t think so.” Ebron is the kind of athlete that will wow evaluators at the combine and workouts, but teams will have to rely on game tape to determine if the toughness questions are accurate.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

One would hope that a potential first round NFL tight end would be willing to take some hits over the middle.  That said, there’s always going to be at least one concern about any given player, no matter how high or low he is taken in the draft.

Josh Norris told us on the podcast a few weeks ago that few tight ends are both excellent run blockers (physical) as well as serious receiving threats in the current NFL.  So this insight on Ebron is helpful, but never the full picture.  Do the Jets feel like Ebron is a player that has a place in their offense and is justifiable at the their given slot?  Do the Jets take the view that a tight end is actually just another receiver then it might not matter?  With the Jets emphasis on the running game, an unwillingness to take hits over the middle might be indicative of other concerns about the well-rounded nature of his game.  But it comes back to how the Jets are willing to use him and if they feel confident in coaching him up.




93 comments
metjetnet
metjetnet

(nee miketaliaferro) Whoa, Brian... You can coach up a whole lot of traits in somebody, if you're a REALLY GOOD coach & the person IS WILLING. It's merely bringing out latent traits & skills that are already there; some coaches are better or worse than others at that, with Rex being one of the best. The one thing no one can coach up is heart. Or coach out of somebody, is being gun-shy. They're reactions, deeply seated in the psyche. You'll never be able to get someone to "not flinch," or to not be "soft." (cough, cough, Steven Hill, cough, cough) Unless you're some crazed, black-box, extreme military psycho unit, perhaps, with months to re-mold someone psychologically. NFL front offices & coaches don't want that. They want plug & play young men, ready to go upon signing the contract. ESPECIALLY in the 1st Round. That's why all the hand-wringing about DM this past year. If ANY TE prospect is gun-shy, then it's caveat emptor...

charlie duck sauce
charlie duck sauce

In my honest opinion, there shouldn't be an immediate need to skirmish a pick on top receiving prospects in the first round of the draft especially if Geno doesn't improve as QB. Cumberland, Sudfeld, Nelson, Salas, even Winslow all did adequate jobs. What isn't being mentioned enough is Geno's inaccuracies as a passer during the season. An adequate QB would have suppressed the fan's need for better receivers. The receiving corps isn't as bad as people make them out to be.  That's why I have my reservations about expending money in FA or the draft for receivers when the team can improve on defense at linebacker and CB.

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

I have really grown on Evans. If he learns how to run better routes and improve his speed I think he will be the next big WR.

I also like Robinson and Mathews those are my top 3

WR > TE

Pat d
Pat d

Lee, Evans or Ebron would be a big improvement to Jets

Jeff E. Guy
Jeff E. Guy

"AFC personnel executive" says anonymously that he doesn't think Ebron is tough enough for the NFL. That means "he's tough enough for the NFL but our pick is lower than his current projection...."



eric88
eric88

The Jets are going to sign FA's on offense and draft defense. OLB, CB, FS.

eric88
eric88

The Jets NEVER take who they leak.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

If the Jets are linked with Ebron you'd better believe they'll go elsewhere for two reasons: 1) the required disinformation leak campaign every team does and 2) the Jets never draft a player the fans have identified  

We all love Richardson, but he was not even on most fan's radar. So let the mack draft games go on, but don't bet the farm on it. We can only hope that the Jets pick someone with half as much impact as .Sheldon. - Not hyped impact like Geno, Milliner or Winters, but the real, undeniable impact of a Rookie of the Year..

jpi22le22
jpi22le22

Why couldn't they just draft Ebron and use him as a wr . You have wr's that have damn near the same measurements . Sh$& why not draft a few of these new breed te's and use them as Wr's on the field at the same time . Cumberland split out Ebron as the slot and Alan Jenkins as the te .lol.... Why not ???

Brendan
Brendan

I'm becoming more comfortable with the idea of Ebron in the 1st if Evans/Lee are gone.  

SackDance99
SackDance99

Sounds like the Pats war room is already sending out misinformation and Cimini is more than a willing stooge....

greggreen
greggreen

id prefer a bigger body in a TE

marcus81
marcus81

in most mock drafts Ebron is the Jets most likely first pick, unless there's a big shake up in the draft, so he better work out

jdb4
jdb4

Granted it's only one play but I counter said "scout's" assessment of being tough enough to run the seam.  Ebron vs Miami  (I would say his best game of the season, statistically and performance wise)


http://youtu.be/YEOugfKi2Iw?t=2m41s



Kyle Suta
Kyle Suta

I'm willing to take that risk on Ebron. But then again, Lee didn't produce his senior year and has injury problems and Evans might not be able to get off of press coverage against big corners. The bottom line is every prospect has questions.

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

I just don't see anything in this guy that we don't already have in Cumby. I would rather take Allen Robinson, Lee, Evans at #18.

Yes he's big and athletic but so is Stephen hill. This guy hasn't had crazy numbers to backup his "athleticism".

Allen Robinson with 18 and ill be ecstatic

jpi22le22
jpi22le22

R u kidding ?? Yeah Geno had some issues with accuracy at times but to say his receivers aren't that bad is ridiculous and far from the truth . Plus any qb is gonna have accuracy problems with their wr's if they don't practice routes and timing

Pat d
Pat d

Watkins isn't in your top 3

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D

@JCuratola3 Evans is really good and there is a chance he may not be available.      I like Odell Beckham,  I feel like he is the Randall Cobb/Tavon Austin type player in this draft

jdb4
jdb4

@frustjetfn  

Not that I'm breaking any news but mock drafts at this point of year are ****.  I'll wait until mid-march to care where they think a player is destined to go. After the first week of free agency the mocks start to make more sense. 

Let's say a57se gets his wish and the Jets sign Quarless, well the Ebron stuff just became garbage. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jpi22le22  Well, odds are the Jets' TE will spend quite a few snaps split out in the slot or out wide, so taking Ebron and playing him in that role would make sense. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan Fans will scream, but I still think a defensive player might be the 1st round pick.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@marcus81  


It would be great to see the Jets address the offensive needs in free agency so that they can take the best players available in the draft and not have to worry about drafting based solely on needs.......Ebron is an impressive prospect but I do not particularly like the idea of drafting a TE in round 1......


Keller, Kyle Brady, and Johnny Mitchell weren't exactly great 1st round picks for the Jets

harold
harold

Very few mocks had us taking Sheldon Richardson or Quinton Coples the year before.  So I don't worry about those guys too much.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@jaygo You do realize that there are a number of USC players who came east and dominated, right?  The Jets, for instance, have drafted 3 USC players in the 1st round, with only Sanchez not becoming a legitimate NFL star.  The others were Keyshawn and Marvin Powell.  And, guys from O.J. to Lynn Swann to Anthony Munoz to Willie McGinest to Troy Polamalu all starred in the East.  USC has produced lots of great players and it hasn't seemed to hamper any who came East.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@JCuratola3  


Ebron has ZERO in common with Stephen Hilll who is a bust based on his terrible production 

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@JCuratola3  "I just don't see anything in this guy that we don't already have in Cumby." Well, the fans haven't completely given up on Ebron yet haha. No but I do think Ebron is more impressive athletically and has a much higher ceiling. He's gonna go in the first round

charlie duck sauce
charlie duck sauce

@jpi22le22 The receivers weren't bad. That is clearly an overstatement. With a functional, consistent QB the Jets in the second half of the season are a potential playoff team with a stout defensive line. That is not a knock on Geno, I'm a supporter and fully understand there is a leaning curve--but if the Jets invest lucratively into the draft and free agency for receivers, they need a more evolved and improved Geno or a veteran QB as a plan B. Salas showed potential when given looks, Nelson was good when thrown to not having it overthrown out of bounds, Cumberland was a productive second option behind Geno's biggest target Kerley, and Sudfeld proved he is a capable TE.

D
D

@a57se @Pat d I think we should stay away from him.   Beckham is this years Randall Cobb, Tavon Austin, DeSean Jackson type player, IMO of course.    Taking him at 18 makes sense if your taking WR.   Even if its deemed a stretch bye the critics.    Its a position of need

marcus81
marcus81

@a57se @jpi22le22 a WR is the biggest need, too many 3 and out for the offense, but Jets shouldn't reach just because of need, next best receiver after the top 3 is Benjamin, but he is considered a late 1st rounder

marcus81
marcus81

@bradysucks Keller was the best TE you mentioned, but he never took to to next level, Brady was a big shock, not a bad player but Jets fans were disappointed when he was drafted, Mitchell is like a blur, can't remember much about him

SackDance99
SackDance99

@harold Rex worked Coples out, especially as an OLB, during his pro day.  Sheldon was way more of a surprise.

juunit
juunit

@SackDance99 @jaygo 

In 2013, there were three schools who had 58 ex-players currently playing for NFL teams. University of Miami, LSU and USC. Oh, and those three schools were tied for the most. 2nd (4th) was Ohio State with 51.

Safe to say USC is an NFL factory. They recruit some of the best athletes in the country every year. 

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

@bradysucks  your a "fan" who notoriously hates on jets for a bad season. So i wont even get into the argument with you. 

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

@MarshRandy im not denying he will go in the first round, i would just prefer the Jets dont take him. 

juunit
juunit

@MarshRandy @JCuratola3 

His hands are much better than Cumberland's. Probably a better all around athlete too. Cumberland is fast but I imagine Ebron would out leap him, out corner him, etc.

Pat d
Pat d

Gotcha, yes he will be long gone. I like Lee and Evans

Pat d
Pat d

Reaching for players because of need is what losing organizations do

D
D

@a57se @Daniel@Pat dThat guy is the worst.  Another Bonehead is Heath Evans......cant stand that guy

SackDance99
SackDance99

@a57se @SackDance99@BrendanAs long as it's not another DL.  Not that I don't think Rex will be able to use the player, I'd just like some variety after the past 3 years.

harold
harold

That was much later in the process. I was responding to mock in February.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@harold It's very hard to judge Cumby's speed.  Keller, for instance, seemed to be able to use his speed effectively.  I haven't seen Cumby use it with any effect.  I don't doubt you, I just think it's like Hill's size and physicality...an advantage that isn't used by the player effectively.

harold
harold

Cumberland still has good speed for a TE.  He is well above average speed-wise for the position even coming off injuries.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan @SackDance99He is also heavier now and doesn't appear to have as good speed as he once did.  Plus, there's useful speed and Ebron has always been a TE, while Cumby converted from WR.  Heck, Cumby's 40 was way faster than Gronk and Graham...so what.

Brendan
Brendan

@SackDance99 Cumby also hasn't been the same athlete since his achilles injury. 

harold
harold

He didn't drop many passes last year.  Granted he didn't make the contested catches we expected from 6'4" WR.

He flashed it in college, hopefully he can make it a regular part of his routine in the Pros.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@harold  


Problem is he's always injured.....Not good when you are trying to prove to people you are a starting NFL Wide Receiver.......Even worse when you have a reputation for dropping the ball.....

harold
harold

I saw some things that made me think he has chance the first few games.  Hopefully, he can take that a couple steps further this year.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@harold  


Well Hill has proved you wrong the past 2 years.....I imagine the Jets won't give him more than another 2 years to prove you right......


At some point in time a bird needs to leave the nest and show its mama that it can fly.......

harold
harold

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

I think he will be better, just something about his work ethic, makes me think so.  I hope I am right for the Jets sake

bradysucks
bradysucks

@harold  


When I look at Hill I see another Johnny "Lam" Jones except Hill is a taller version with worse hands

harold
harold

I am not saying he will.  But I when I look at him I see that type of player.  Never going to be a great route runner or smooth hands catcher.

But if you can sling it out there they can make it happen.  Will be interesting to see if he can improve upon his 1st few games of last season.

If so we got something. 

If not he may be gone from the league in two years. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

@harold  


Hill can't stay healthy.....He isn't durable.....If he turned into Gault we'd all take it but how long does this take? To me he is currently a #5 NFL receiver at best because when he is on the football field he is ineffective. His (lack of) production is proof of this....


It is too bad Hill can't play special teams.....At least then he might be USEFUL while he develops IF he develops....


It will be interesting to see if Hill is even in the NFL in 2 years

harold
harold

I think Hill may turn in to a Gault type player.  Gault was a not top ten WR but the respect teams had to give him opened up the run game and made teams play conservatively.

bradysucks
bradysucks

We all know Hill's background and we're all tired of the excuses. The NFL is survival of the fittest and the bottom line is Hill has been a starter for 2 years and he hasn't been able to stay healthy or produce on the football field. He's been one of the worst receivers in the entire NFL.

Cumberland has also been a fairly unproductive player compared to other TE's around the NFL.

We all know that the poor QB play has hurt ALL of the Jets receivers but we also know that because of the poor QB play the talent around the QB has to improve.

I think we'd all like to see Hill and Cumberland be more productive but few of us think they are quality starters in the NFL based on their production. Neither guy has been a consistent weapon for the Jets who can be counted on to produce

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

@bradysucks Of course we should upgrade at all costs.. but in my opinion i dont think ebron will be an upgrade over cumby. Stephen Hill is 22 and he played in a gimmick non pro style offense in college. The Jets knew what he was coming out of college and yes he has yet to really come on but give the guy at least this season before you label him a bust He showed improvement in his hands a bit last offseason and his routes werent too bad. If he can again improve his catching, and route running combined with better OL play i have no doubt he can improve. 



bradysucks
bradysucks

@JCuratola3 @bradysucks  


I am a fan of players who help the Jets win....You root for guys who contribute to losing seasons....


You don't think the Jets coaches and mgmt don't get rid of players who don't produce? The NFL is about production and if we can upgrade over Cumberland and HIll then WE SHOULD

harold
harold

Wait until the second round.  If you really want him take less in a trade to move back like the Raiders did last year.  So a trade that would normally net you a 2nd and 3rd, you take two 3rd rounders instead.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@JCuratola3 yea I really like Matthews, 18 might be a little early but I wouldn't mind 

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

@MarshRandy Hope not man, i also like jordan mathews though, hes big and physical with improving catching ability 

bradysucks
bradysucks

@juunit @MarshRandy @JCuratola3  


His comparison to Cumberland is silly. The whole point is to ADD MORE WEAPONS on offense......It isn't to take a tight end with average to below average production like Cumberland and be satisfied with the status quo of Cumberland, Hill and the other group of unproductive receivers on the Jets


The Jets had one of the least productive passing offenses in the NFL the past 2 years.......This is basic 

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@juunit @MarshRandy @JCuratola3  I would think he's better than Cumberland at literally everything