Link: Mangold will attend Pro Bowl after all

The Jets will have a representative at next week’s “unconferenced” Pro Bowl after all. Nick Mangold – who had been named as a first alternate – will take the place of Seattle’s Max Unger and earn his 5th Pro Bowl appearance. Unger will of course be preparing for the Super Bowl the following weekend.

Bent, TheJetsBlog.com

2013 was a challenging year for Mangold, but I was impressed with how he dealt with the added responsibilities that starting rookies at left guard and quarterback no doubt placed upon him.

While Mangold only ended up in the middle of the pack in the ratings for PFF, he did end up ranked as the fourth best pass blocking center in the NFL and was outstanding over the final four weeks, allowing no pressure and posting a +5.1 run blocking grade over that period. His run blocking grade for the year as a whole was down near the bottom of the league, but that likely had more to do with the line as a whole struggling, especially the guy to his immediate left.

Having said all of that, I don’t doubt that his inclusion has more to do with his reputation than placing into the correct context any in-depth performance evaluation. He is well respected around the league with good reason though and we’re pleased to see the Jets represented in Honolulu next weekend.




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arc34
arc34

PFF ratings are not bible.....intellectually subjective is the best way to describe it.....congrats Mangold. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

Herein lies the problem with the Jets.....The ONLY player on offense good enough to make the pro bowl is the center. Enough said,


Mangold is great.....now get some guys who can score.....

maynardfan
maynardfan

Bent --  Any thoughts on why Tom Brady was so far off the mark on his throws on Sunday?  

Joan Israel
Joan Israel

Bent --


A well-deserving Nick Mangold making the Pro Bowl prompted some questions on my part that I would imagine you can answer:

A. How much $$ do Pro-bowlers each make? And do the Pro-bowlers who are added to the roster late, i.e., Mangold, make the same amount? And, if someone who is voted originally onto the Pro Bowl roster, and doesn't play, either due to injury or his playing in subsequent playoff games, does he get the 'fee' even though he's not playing in the game?


B. I've always wondered about the amount of 'pay' a player in each round of the playoff receives, right up through the Super Bowl. I recall once reading how much the pay is, and it was not much at all, if I remember correctly. It was surprisingly small. Can you fill me in on the various payoffs through the Super Bowl?


Just curious. Thanks.


Jim Israel

Mark Brindise
Mark Brindise

Does anyone still watch the Pro Bowl anymore? that game went the way of the Miss. America pagient.

levi
levi

I wonder if he will help out the left guard out of habit at the Pro Bowl.

juunit
juunit

Good for him.


For anyone interested, the measurements from the senior bowl are in:


http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2014.php


Some of the more interesting measurements include Tajh Boyd at over 6 feet (despite some people thinking he'd be 5'10) and CJ Fiedorowicz at 6'5.5 instead of his listed 6'7.

jaym
jaym

Off Topic:

I can not wait when it comes time for the Seahawks to resign Richard Sherman that will be fun to watch.

Bent
Bent moderator

@maynardfan I've been saying all year, he looks OLD.


I didn't think he was *that* bad on Sunday.  He looked a lot worse at times earlier in the year.


I don't think you can use the lack of weapons as a viable excuse because the Broncos secondary is certainly beatable.  However, he was ill during the week, so maybe that affected him.


I tend to think that's just who he is now.

levi
levi

@maynardfan Hes been doing that for a couple years now. Hes getting older.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Joan Israel  Hi Jim -


You're right, it's not very much for postseason salary - tens of thousands rather than the six figure pay checks most elite players are accustomed to receiving each week.  Also, everyone from Peyton Manning to the long snapper to a guy on injured reserve gets the same amount.


A full and detailed breakdown here: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24396663/agents-take-a-guide-to-nfl-postseason-pay


As for the Pro Bowl, the players get $25,000 on the losing team and $50,000 if they win.  I assume dropping out as Unger has done will mean he forfeits any payment.  Ironically a Pro Bowl win pays $4000 more than a SB loss.

Bent
Bent moderator

Originally I was going to respond to this with a joke about the left guard wearing a nun costume, but then I got side-tracked into thinking that making fancy dress compulsory could be one way to make the pro bowl more interesting.

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit Too bad all the guys I want to see are underclassmen :/

Pat d
Pat d

Boyd must have borrowed Fiedorowicz's heels

bradysucks
bradysucks

@levi @bradysucks 


Yes but on defense there is legit talent with Coples, Richardson, and Big Mo. On offense the only bona fide blue chip player the Jets have is Mangold.......Brick is good but I'd hardly call him elite.....Mangold is elite.....


The Jets talent on offense is just piss poor compared to the rest of the league......especially at QB, WR, and TE....though Geno does have a chance to improve

maynardfan
maynardfan

@Bent @maynardfan Hopefully, a window is opening for the Jets.  Phil Simms pointed out that he left some points on the field…one on the overthrow down the left sideline and the one that sailed over the head of an open receiver in the end zone.  He did look old…and very un-Brady-like.  For us that could be a good thing!  

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

I think what bent is saying is Kerely is better then Edelman. Team stats don't mean anything when u compare two people because there is to many circumstances in football.

If you think Edelman is better then Kerely then I lost most respect I've had for your player judgements and that didn't even happen when you said Weeden would be good.

Take off those grass is greener glasses.

Joan Israel
Joan Israel

@Bent@Joan Israel 

Bent --

It demonstrates the passion and desire to win supersede any monetary considerations when it comes to the playoffs/Super Bowl. Because the players are really getting hosed if they're making only $50,000 for winning the SB. Just think how much the two team owners and the league itself rake in from a Super Bowl appearance. I'm surprised the players union didn't insist on much higher payouts.

levi
levi

@Bent I dont know, they would have to do something drastic to gain any interest from me anymore. Maybe have a hungry tiger pop up out of the ground occasionally like in the movie Gladiator.

bradysucks
bradysucks

So are you saying Kerley is a #1 NFL receiver Bent? Is this what you are saying?

I like Kerley. He's our best WR. Having said this it is fair to say that Kerley on the Broncos would be the 3rd or 4th receiving option - same with the Pats

Manning and Brady make everybody better - but this doesn't mean Kerley would be their favorite WR or that he would be their go to receiver.

If we are at a point where we are saying Kerley is such a good WR then please explain why the Jets have such a poor passing offense year after year.

You know the answer. The QB play is below average and so are the receivers and Kerley is the best of a very below average group of receivers

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks Kerley would be absolutely unstoppable with a QB like Brady/Manning.  Everybody knows this and has known it for a long time......

bradysucks
bradysucks

@DrJonathanReefer 


I disagree. The Jets were ranked 30th in the NFL in offense in 2012 and weren't much better this year. The running game has improved but the passing game is a mess.


Sure Brady helps Edelman, but that kid Edelman gets open and can flat out play. I never said Kerley wasn't good.What I said is that the Jets used to draft guys like Al Toon and Wesley Walker and that they stopped building their offense through the draft over a decade ago. They have not effectively found the best offensive players in the draft that were there. 


Kerley is a good team guy with some talent but he is not an elite NFL talent. He is a solid #3 NFL WR. The Jets need to add a #1 and a #2. Everybody knows this and has known it for a long time.....

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Edelman cant even sniff kerely's jock.

Dude is a product of Brady and being in the system so long. Dude is average at best.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Fair enough Bent.....but the playoff teams have guys like Crabtree, AJ Green, Boldin, Thomas, Decker, Welker, Edelman etc ....Every one of these guys is superior in talent to what the Jets have....

Obviously the pro bowl isn't a perfect way to judge talent and guys like Big Mo who deserve to be pro bowlers fall through the cracks.....but the bigger point is that the Jets were once a team that found guys like Al Toon and Wesley Walker and Mickey Shuler in the draft. They found guys like Freeman McNeil. It has been well over a decade (closer to two decades) since they found any playmakers in the draft on offense even close in ability and impact on a game to the guys I just named at their respective positions

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks By the way, of the 10 Pro Bowl receivers this year, guess how many play for a team that made the playoffs...


ONE.  Demaryius Thomas ... and he obviously won't be going now.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks Ok, well if you're going to restrict it to guys that were drafted by the Jets then you have to account for the fact that Coles and Moss made it as Redskins.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Favre, and Jones were not drafted by the Jets. I loved Coles. He was such a tough WR but he was hardly an elite WR.

My point is that the Jets haven't drafted pro bowl talent on offense in years and years and you just helped me make that point. Obviously Brick and Mangold were good draft picks but the Jets as an organization have really not drafted well on offense. The Jets have had to rely on free agency for the few elite talents they have had on offense at WR, QB, RB etc. The talent has not been home grown and this includes Vinny T, Curtis Martin, Favre, Jones, Braylon Edwards etc...

I do believe in Idzik though. He seems like a smart man and he has a great track record of winning in the NFL as an executive. He really needs to address the offense in the next 2 drafts in my opinion for the long term benefit of the Jets

levi
levi

@bradysucks OK, follow me here. You say its a shame the Offense is so bad we only have one Pro Bowler our center and we cant continue to neglect our offense like this. BUT, there are no Pro Bowlers on defense yet you say they are good. SO I say this proves you cant judge your team by how many Pro Bowlers there are. I think you agree with me but somehow you dont.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks Pennington did not make it.  His 2002 performance was obviously good enough but he didn't start until mid-season by which time he was too far behind in the voting.


Your point is well made, albeit completely wrong because Favre, Coles and Thomas Jones have all been selected to represent the Jets at those positions in recent years, although Coles ultimately turned down his last minute invitation in 2006.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@levi @bradysucks 


Not sure I agree......The pro bowl is a popularity contest but how do players get popular? Usually they are popular because they are either very good at what they do or they are part of a team that wins games.......


I don't see it as a coincidence that the NY Jets haven't had a pro bowl RB since Curtis Martin, a pro bowl QB since Vinny T (I can't remember if Pennington ever made it)......and I don't even remember when the last time was that the Jets had a pro bowl WR or TE.......probably not since Al Toon or Keyshawn


This tells you that the Jets are really not competent when it comes to the drafting of offensive talent........


Maybe Idzik changes this perception over the next 2 years.....I would hope so

levi
levi

@bradysucks I agree with most of that but you cant judge your team by the Pro Bowl entrants was my point.

djf1
djf1

@Bent@djf1 figures. 

 I wonder if any fans tried bringing a radio scanner.

Bent
Bent moderator

@djf1 Yes.  Bill Belichick has tried hacking that transmission.  Or at least scrambling it.  Remember that game when the Jets' headset kept mysteriously going dark at key moments?

djf1
djf1

@Bent@levi I always wondered, for the headset helmets, is that over a secure channel? 

wonder if anyone has tried hacking that transmission.

levi
levi

@Bent Oh that would be awesome. The little bit we do hear from him is great. Id love an entire game.

levi
levi

@Bent They are probably just exchanging pleasantries in the Pro Bowl but do that for a playoff game would be great. For example Crabtree and Sherman probably had some interesting sound bites yesterday.

Bent
Bent moderator

@levi @Bent They should mic everybody up, not censor any language and allow fans to select via a menu who they want to listen in to.

Bent
Bent moderator

@rstysanchz @djf1  Is that still the case if you omit Von Miller (who wasn't playing)?

Of course, the Pats have neeever had postseason success with guys that are on steroids.  How many rings did Rodney Harrison win again?

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

@djf1  saying alot of fans are crying about welkers hit and the referees and a couple radio hosts keep bringing up how denver had the most steroid suspensions this year   

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

 @Bent my father lives 5 minutes south of massachusets and hes saying there is alot of crying up there on  sports radio 

Bent
Bent moderator

@rstysanchz @Bent Well, Talib is bigger.  5 inches and 17 pounds listed (but I reckon Talib is probably bigger than listed).

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

@Bent i jus rewatched it and it looks like welker got the worst of it as he ends up on the floor 

Bent
Bent moderator

@rstysanchz @Bent @Brendan I saw that.


Hahaha.


I thought it was well timed, actually.  If he makes the hit as the ball arrives instead of before the ball arrives (which New England didn't get away with for a change last night), then that's a completely legal block and Talib is fair game.  Was it a split second early?  Maybe, but even that would just be poor timing not dirty play.

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

@Bent @rstysanchz @Brendan kinda off subject but belicheck is calling welkers hit on talib one of the worst plays hes seen 

Bent
Bent moderator

@rstysanchz @Brendan I'd be surprised if Talib gets $10m.  If Sherman's getting more than $12m I'd expect him to have to make some concessions in terms of guarantees, backloading and anti-holdout clauses.

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

@Brendan its gonna be interesting to see how close  talib and sherman  can get paid to revis 

Brendan
Brendan

@rstysanchz He's ready to cash in. Seattle better hope they win it all this year, they're going to start losing players due to them needing new contracts. 

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

@Bent hes still under his rookie contract as a 5th rounder and you havent been hearing about him holding out....he fired his original agent who helped him win his appeal against his 4 game ban so im guessing he thinks these 2 new guys will help him get a good contract easily 

Bent
Bent moderator

@rstysanchz @Brendan @jaym It might not be as entertaining as the Revis saga used to always be because rumor has it those two guys actually have brains.