Link: Progress needed in progressions

Interesting note from Rich Cimini on ESPN NY about Geno Smith’s interception from last weekend.

Smith, explaining his interception, admitted he should’ve checked down to another receiver instead of forcing the ball into a tight window to Santonio Holmes. The tape reveals that Smith had three wide-open check-down options –Jeremy Kerley, Jeff Cumberland and Powell. This was another example of poor field vision by the rookie. He also got caught up in the moment. The Panthers had just converted a blocked punt into a touchdown, and Smith wanted to reclaim the momentum by taking a risk on third down. Sometimes the quarterback has to know when to fold and wait for the next hand.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

Progressions have been a problem for Jets quarterbacks for what feels like an eternity. It isn’t Geno Smith’s fault that Mark Sanchez was bad at reading through his progressions too, but watching a new quarterback make the same error might be cutting some people’s patience short on Geno Smith.

While they do both have problems with second and third reads, the one thing that I would say about Sanchez is that he checked the ball down too much. Sure, the result of the pick-six was unfortunate for the Jets, but maybe at least Smith is demonstrating that he has that killer instinct that Sanchez seemed to lack — or at least lacked in his final two seasons as the team’s starting quarterback.

22 comments
bonozoffa
bonozoffa

"FATRCDNR"  = F-- All Things Rich Cimini, Did Not Read.

djf1
djf1

if the instict is wrong,  it's more of a suicide instict than a killer one.

jaygo
jaygo

Progressions are an issue is you don't have time to check out 2nd, 3rd and 4th options.  Our OL has had pressure on Geno all year (just like Sanchez had constant pressure).  Want to fix this issue, then fix the OL.  Or, give Geno a simple hot option and stop talking about three open guys to find.  

levi
levi

I dont know this to be fact but I would think its common for a rookie QB to stare down his WRs and have trouble progressing his reads. The NFL game is so much faster than anything they have seen before. Sanchez never moved past that lets hope Geno can.

Mike Milea
Mike Milea

I understand what your trying to say Bassett, but I think we need to go out and find a QB who's killer instinct doesn't result in pick 6's. Its way too redundant and bad QB play is the boiling point for every Jets fan at this point. Its a damn shame that the game revolves around the 1 position, but that's the game we all love so boo hoo. But how bad is it really to go after a different QB every year until you find one that shows you he can play? Geno has just shown that he's a project and that he's not ready yet, and thats absolutely fine, but he's not ready so we need to find someone who can play the position better than what we've had that last however many years. The QB position on this team needs to be elevated to compliment Rex's deffense. Imagine being on the Jets defense? I would absolutely hate everyone on the offense for not being able to sustain drives and tossing my ass out there 2 mins after I just got off the field to go play again, and that's the way its been for years with this team. I think there needs to be a big offense/defense brawl to allow all the defenseive players to relieve the stress caused by the offense all season, or for the past 5/6 years. Maybe after that the offense will have a little sense knocked in them and go out on the field with a little more pinaz, knowing that if they f'up again, the defense is going to beat the shit out of them after the game.

djf1
djf1

@jaygo OL is fine, except for Winters.

Geno just has to get better at making faster, better decisions.   Will he?  I'm not sure.  He's still a rookie after all.

Brendan
Brendan

@jaygo Geno has been given above-average time to throw, he holds the ball too long and consistently misses edge blitzers on both the front and back sides. That's not on the OL, that's on Geno. 

a57se
a57se

@Mike Milea 

 Do you beat up your wife because she isn't a gourmet chef?

Bent
Bent

@djf1


"Geno just has to get better at making faster, better decisions.   Will he?  I'm not sure."


Sounds like YOU need to get better at making decisions.  :oP

jaygo
jaygo

@Brendan @jaygo  


While he has missed receivers and has looked very green and at times holds the ball too long, I don't buy the "he holds the ball too long" argument as a general issue with Geno.  Eli Manning suddenly holds the ball too long, gets sacked and throws INTs now that his OL leaks and his receiver options ain't what they used to be.  Geno certainly has issues but I think Eli would have issues playing behind this OL just like playing behind the Giants OL.  An OL is only as good as its weakest link.  Our weakest link has been very weak.

jaygo
jaygo

@Brendan @jaygo  

While he has missed receivers and has looked very green and at times holds the ball too long, I don't buy the "he holds the ball too long" argument as a general issue with Geno.  Eli Manning suddenly holds the ball too long, gets sacked and throws INTs now that his OL sucks and his receiver options ain't what they used to be.  Geno certainly has issues but I think Eli would have issues playing behind this OL just like playing behind the Giants OL.  An OL is only as good as its weakest link.  Our weakest link has been very weak. 

jaygo
jaygo

@Brendan @jaygo 


While he has missed receivers and has looked very green and at times holds the ball too long, I don't buy the "he holds the ball too long" argument as a general issue with Geno.  Eli Manning suddenly holds the ball too long, gets sacked and throws INTs now that his OL sucks and his receiver options ain't what they used to be.  Geno certainly has issues but I think Eli would have issues playing behind this OL just like playing behind the Giants OL.  An OL is only as good as its weakest link.  Our weakest link has been very weak. 

a57se
a57se

@ww85@Bent@jaygo 

Just a theory but I think the drops will be higher for better QB's because they get the ball out so quickly that sometimes the WR just doesn't pick the ball up quick enough to make the catch. Gotta realize the ball is being thrown BEFORE the WR makes his break a lot so he has to make his cut and locate the ball as it is getting on top of him.

ww85
ww85

@Bent @ww85 I'm not surprised. It just is one stat that shows what elite QBs do.

Bent
Bent

@ww85 - when you consider what percentage of total throws the top guys make that are actually catchable, those numbers are not at all surprising.

ww85
ww85

@Bent @jaygo Most amazing is that some top QBs are dealing with WRs who have the most drops. Brady overcoming 49 drops(second most). Manning overcoming 42 drops(#3).  Eli Manning 27 drops & Geno 23. Yet, Manning & Brady hold the ball the least amount. Wilson & Kaepernick hold it longer than Geno btw probably because they can.

Bent
Bent

@jaygo Eli doesn't "suddenly" do any of those things.  He's always done that.  In the year when they last won it all, he was under pressure twice as often as Sanchez was in the same year ... and yes, that was the Wayne Hunter season.


With Eli, he's always managed to do well under pressure when he had good receivers.  His OL is actually better than it was and he's under pressure less than when he was being successful.  It's just that when he IS under pressure, he's no longer able to succeed and you're right to pin (some of) that on his receivers.


With Geno, he's yet to show that he can do well under pressure, regardless of who his receivers are.  And he does, statistically, get more time to throw than average.  And he does, anecdotally, often take a criminally long time to go through his reads, leading to pressure arriving when he should already have go the ball out.