Link: Rotoworld draft preview

Evan Silva and Josh Norris of Rotoworld have been working their way around the league, previewing team needs heading to the upcoming draft and coming up with potential draft day solutions.

In their piece on the Jets, Silva identifies the main needs as cornerback, receiver and guard and Norris suggests a possible solution available on each of the three days of the draft.

This stood out from Norris’ analysis:

There is no doubt in my mind that [Odell] Beckham Jr. is the third ranked receiver in that class, but it would not shock me if he ultimately ended up being the best of the group.

His first day options for cornerback and guard are Darqueze Dennard and Xavier Su’a-Filo respectively. Go and read the article to see his day two and day three options at each position.




170 comments
a57se
a57se

So, now Ron Jaworski is ON the Manziel bandwagon.......apparently johnny Football impressed Jaws at his Pro Day where he said manziel was MAGNIFICENT!

Bent
Bent moderator

@Gil_Brandt: Mike Evans has the best hands I've seen since Calvin Johnson.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Reading that OBJ is a big diva/cancer potential. Might as we'll just get DJax if that's the case. At least we would know he can produce.

a57se
a57se

Looks like Sanchez is about to become an Iggle. Wouldn't it be ironic if he ends up beating out Nick Foles?

Hoz
Hoz

I read the giants are in love with Eric Ebron i was hoping he fell in our lap at 18 but that wasn't realistic.

lucas
lucas

I'll take ODB over Lee and it helps that we hired his special teams coach from LSU, because ODB will bring highlights to the return game and have an immediate impact.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

if Anquan Boldin and Santonio Holmes had a love child his name would be Odell Beckham Jr.

hazard2012
hazard2012

I like Beckham, too, but picking him @ #18 may come with a price of more limited options for areas of pressing need later in the draft.    All the top CB's, for example  will be long gone by he time the Jets pick again in the 2nd round,  and you could then be forced to choose between getting a second-tier corner or a top tier TE, etc. 

greggreen
greggreen

@a57se  honestly, give him talent and a oline to protect him, he can win you games. but sadly he ran out of chances with us. If his career does re-surge. it wasn't gonna happen here

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Hoz  He will be a giant and a relevant fantasy starter.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

No likes? Damn you guys are tough...

juunit
juunit

@a57se  

Seems pretty awful to me. Ignoring all the things that it ignores, there are only a few top receivers who were at the top of the "phenom index." Plus, their measure of "top" receiver is fantasy football. 

Actually, I'd say that's more than just a pretty awful piece. 

williamg1
williamg1

@a57se  Allen Robinson it is!


They make a compelling case for this index. 

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@a57se  I saw Chad Jackson on that list. What happened to that guy?

greggreen
greggreen

@hazard2012  I feel we are gonna draft a system player in the middle rounds, big body corner who didnt have the best measurable at the combine but excels in being physical in man coverage.  Then pick up a vet like greer or a decent cap cut and bring the rookie along slowly 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @DrJonathanReefer  JayGo had some stuff on this earlier.  It's mostly concerns over his background.  You never can predict this kind of stuff.

Hoz
Hoz

True but they dont have a TE at all ,I bet they bite on that one.

lucas
lucas

I stand corrected, but who wouldn't want there name to bring back memories of vintage Wu-Tang....

a57se
a57se

@juunit @a57se 

Well if all you do is judge it on its' results then I agree.  I think there might be something to it but obviously not just in its' simplistic form as shown in this piece.

The concept makes some sense but how to integrate it into a cohesive approach is what I find interesting.

harold
harold

@Tequila Joe

He was a huge bust and was out of the league in a couple years.

a57se
a57se

@greggreen

I think we may target a slot corner as well.....Nevin Lawson would be a good target later on in the draft for that role.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se

I read every TMZ type piece jaygo posted.....all the fuss is over who the guy is screwing.

There is nothing in his background that suggests he is a diva or a cancer potential.

That is why I asked for his source....you would think someone with the handle 'reefer' would not be so quick to judge?

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

It's a pretty simple question. You think this has some sort of value. Well, what's the value? 

a57se
a57se

@juunit @a57se 

you are not the right person to try and have this type of discussion with, apparently!

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

Possibilities of what? Younger players are typically more talented, that's why they enter the draft before ever becoming a senior. That is obvious. What is this possibly exploring that isn't already blatantly obvious? 

a57se
a57se

@juunit @a57se 

Again, you are dissecting the obvious. My point is that the idea has possibilities and that is what I was hoping to explore........

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

Like I said, I was ignoring all the many issues with it. I really don't see its value at all honestly. We all know that a 20 year old who is just as good as a 22 year old is better. That doesn't mean a 20 year old who is worse than a 22 year old is better though, which is what this is implying. And the "dominance" factor? What? How about teams with other talented players? Factors outside of the player's control bring his score down? No, it's just miserable all around. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@jdb4 @Bent @Tequila Joe @harold  Cool, thanks for the insight.


I had him as a 3rd or 4th rounder and so did most everyone else until he ran a quick forty at the combine.


Maroney, on the other hand, I figured wouldn't be a bad pro.

jdb4
jdb4

@Bent @Tequila Joe@harold 

If you read the book "War Room" They didn't see anything in him, at least their scouts didn't.

That was when Belichick ignored his scouts and talked to his buddies Urban Myer and Ben McDaniels (Josh's brother who coached at Minnesota at the time)  

They drafted Maroney and Jackson.

Since then it seems Belichick continues to ignore his scouts. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Tequila Joe @harold  Was watching a ton of college football at that time and I'm still baffled as to what they saw in him.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@harold  Feel bad for the guy but he was drafted by the Patriots, so that's a plus...

a57se
a57se

@greggreen @a57se 

Wilson is on the last year of his deal. With Cro gone, the Jets MIGHT move him into Cro's position to feature him and that would open up the slot position. Adding a talent to compete for that position would make sense.

a57se
a57se

@juunit @a57se 

I watched all his tape on Draft Breakdown and I stand by my 'shies away from contact' take on him.

I agree that you can watch his tape and come away believing that he 'just' needs to work on his tackling but I don't think he 'wants' to stick his nose in there from watching him.

hey, I may be wrong but if Rex thinks the same thing, there is no way we would draft the guy.......

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

There is a very large difference between "afraid from contact" and "needs to improve his tackling."

a57se
a57se

@juunit @a57se  

 Not nearly as physical as his size would indicate, especially when tackling. Frequently relies on ducking his head and swiping at the legs of ballcarriers. Could be viewed by some as a potential safety convert but hasn't played this position before and will need to develop more physicality and reliability as an open-field tackler. 

This is from CBS sports but is typical of what scouting reports on jean-baptiste say and watching his film, he clearly does not deliver in the tackling department....add that to his age and I think McGill is the far better prospect.

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

I HAVE watched MANY Nebraska games LIVE and you are wrong. Utterly wrong.

Stanley Jean-Baptiste is a physical corner who takes on offensive linemen and jams receivers at the line. But he's "afraid of contact?" No. Wrong. Completely and totally WRONG.

a57se
a57se

@juunit  

Watch all his film (Draft breakdown has it) and read all the scouting reports........you will see.

a57se
a57se

@juunit @a57se 

OK, look for #43 on the OFFENSE....I said nebraska but meant georgia. 43 submarines his own Guard going after another defender....

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

You're blinder than that duck. The LG, #64, did not make contact with anyone but Jean-Baptiste on that play. 

There is not even a #43 on defense involved in that play. 

#44, Gregory, was being blocked by #88, Lynch, and did not touch the pulling guard at all. 


AND even if he did, where is the evidence of Jean-Baptiste avoiding contact?

a57se
a57se

@juunit @a57se 

Seriously? This is your scouting report on that play? 

Apparently you missed number 43 of Nebraska taking out the  legs of the Guard you credit baptiste with knocking to the ground.........

juunit
juunit

@greggreen @juunit@hazard2012@a57se 

He can definitely see the field, he just shouldn't be starting opposite Milliner in year one. He's gonna be very good, but his technique is way too inconsistent right now. He's only been a corner for two years after all. His instincts and ball skills are undeniable though, along with the fact that he's bigger than most safeties. 

hazard2012
hazard2012

@a57se  


Baptiste is just learning...kind of the way Ziggy was learning DE, but he could be a worthwhile project. 


I also really like Deone Bucannon at SS, and am intrigued by the potential of Telvin Smith, Fla St. to play SS in the NFL rather than OLB.   

a57se
a57se

@juunit @a57se 

Uh, watch his film and read ANY scouting report...it is obvious to a duck.

greggreen
greggreen

@juunit @hazard2012 @a57se @greggreen  thats what i was saying. im not even talking about this project player starting at any point. bringing him along slow was me saying not seeing the field until year 2 kind of thing. breaking him in slowly

a57se
a57se

@juunit @hazard2012

He also shies away from contact...not something that will endear him to rex.

Baptiste, that is.

greggreen
greggreen

@hazard2012 @a57se @greggreen  im not saying first or second im thinking 3rd-5th. I like what im reading on baptiste, if the biggest knock on him is straight line speed im on board. you can work around that.

juunit
juunit

@hazard2012 @a57se@greggreen 

I like Jean-Baptiste. But he's only been playing corner for a few years. He's not really ready to be a starter right away. If we drafted him we'd still need a veteran. 

hazard2012
hazard2012

@a57se @greggreen  


I really like McGill.  Like Baptiste, too, but neither is a guy you necessarily want to take in first or second round.   If you can't land Dennard, Gilbert of Fuller, you have to get one of these other two guys, and you may need to get an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder to get 'em.  .