Link: Rotoworld draft preview

Evan Silva and Josh Norris of Rotoworld have been working their way around the league, previewing team needs heading to the upcoming draft and coming up with potential draft day solutions.

In their piece on the Jets, Silva identifies the main needs as cornerback, receiver and guard and Norris suggests a possible solution available on each of the three days of the draft.

This stood out from Norris’ analysis:

There is no doubt in my mind that [Odell] Beckham Jr. is the third ranked receiver in that class, but it would not shock me if he ultimately ended up being the best of the group.

His first day options for cornerback and guard are Darqueze Dennard and Xavier Su’a-Filo respectively. Go and read the article to see his day two and day three options at each position.





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Bent
Bent moderator

@Gil_Brandt: Mike Evans has the best hands I've seen since Calvin Johnson.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Reading that OBJ is a big diva/cancer potential. Might as we'll just get DJax if that's the case. At least we would know he can produce.

Hoz
Hoz

I read the giants are in love with Eric Ebron i was hoping he fell in our lap at 18 but that wasn't realistic.

lucas
lucas

I'll take ODB over Lee and it helps that we hired his special teams coach from LSU, because ODB will bring highlights to the return game and have an immediate impact.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

if Anquan Boldin and Santonio Holmes had a love child his name would be Odell Beckham Jr.

hazard2012
hazard2012

I like Beckham, too, but picking him @ #18 may come with a price of more limited options for areas of pressing need later in the draft.    All the top CB's, for example  will be long gone by he time the Jets pick again in the 2nd round,  and you could then be forced to choose between getting a second-tier corner or a top tier TE, etc. 

twin
twin

ODB JR. 1st OG 2nd CB 3rd & then we must hit a home run with pick 104,105, & 137 all in the 4th rd. I will say S,OLB,WR ....of course if we don't trade no picks..this is what I see unfolding.. or acquire new free agents.....

williamg1
williamg1

Slow days aren't acceptable in this day and age. Idzik needs to tweet out a completed transaction once an hour.

gusto
gusto

People need to watch the tape on Kyle Fuller if they don't believe he's a 1st round pick. The kid is a stud, and a Rex Ryan kind of player.

I agree that Beckham Jr could end up as the best receiver in the class. He plays like a shorter Dez Bryant IMO.

greggreen
greggreen

@a57se  honestly, give him talent and a oline to protect him, he can win you games. but sadly he ran out of chances with us. If his career does re-surge. it wasn't gonna happen here

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Hoz  He will be a giant and a relevant fantasy starter.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

No likes? Damn you guys are tough...

juunit
juunit

@a57se  

Seems pretty awful to me. Ignoring all the things that it ignores, there are only a few top receivers who were at the top of the "phenom index." Plus, their measure of "top" receiver is fantasy football. 

Actually, I'd say that's more than just a pretty awful piece. 

williamg1
williamg1

@a57se  Allen Robinson it is!


They make a compelling case for this index. 

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@a57se  I saw Chad Jackson on that list. What happened to that guy?

greggreen
greggreen

@hazard2012  I feel we are gonna draft a system player in the middle rounds, big body corner who didnt have the best measurable at the combine but excels in being physical in man coverage.  Then pick up a vet like greer or a decent cap cut and bring the rookie along slowly 

hazard2012
hazard2012

@twin  


Not sure I'd look to the OL so early.  More pressing needs elsewhere, and it's not just about needs, but also the pool of talent available.   That pool is deepest at WR, and that might prompt me to delay picking a WR until I had my CB and my TE in hand.   The latter can be just as much a weapon on O as a WR.  And since we're likely to be fielding a young and vulnerable secondary the need for an edge rusher also increases.   

bklyndude
bklyndude

@gusto

I like Kyle Fuller and also think he's going to be very good.  He's definitely a good one.

juunit
juunit

@gusto  

Fuller is at least the #2 CB in the draft. I'd really rather get a veteran though. Fuller's little brother is even better than he is. I'd rather wait for him. Though in a perfect world, he'll be long gone by our pick in the year he comes out.

harold
harold

@gusto

He attacks the ball but is not nearly the physical player a Dez Bryant is.  Not really a good comparison, imo.

Santonio Holmes would be a better comparison for his skill set.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @DrJonathanReefer  JayGo had some stuff on this earlier.  It's mostly concerns over his background.  You never can predict this kind of stuff.

Hoz
Hoz

True but they dont have a TE at all ,I bet they bite on that one.

lucas
lucas

I stand corrected, but who wouldn't want there name to bring back memories of vintage Wu-Tang....

harold
harold

@Tequila Joe

He was a huge bust and was out of the league in a couple years.

gusto
gusto

I like the idea of a veteran, but I just don't think a rookie CB is that far off from the putrid job Cro did while playing with that bad hip. Maybe putrid is an overstatement, but I felt Milliner was better than Cro at the end of the season. If we went into the season with Milliner and Fuller as our top 2 CBs, I'd be happy for our future. But yeah, he's hands down a better player than Gilbert in my eyes, and close to Dennard while being two years younger than him. When you consider everything, Kyle Fuller is my #1 defensive back in the draft.

harold
harold

@junnit

I have not watched all his tape yet.  But from what I have watched he looks like a solid player and as a #2 CB he can certainly handle that role from day one.

gusto
gusto

@harold,

Tone doesn't have his strength, IMO. Of course he's not the physical presence of Bryant, but he's similar in his demeanor, the way he plays with his emotions, and his speed/route running. Marqise Lee is more in the Santonio Holmes mold to me.

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

It's a pretty simple question. You think this has some sort of value. Well, what's the value? 

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

Possibilities of what? Younger players are typically more talented, that's why they enter the draft before ever becoming a senior. That is obvious. What is this possibly exploring that isn't already blatantly obvious? 

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

Like I said, I was ignoring all the many issues with it. I really don't see its value at all honestly. We all know that a 20 year old who is just as good as a 22 year old is better. That doesn't mean a 20 year old who is worse than a 22 year old is better though, which is what this is implying. And the "dominance" factor? What? How about teams with other talented players? Factors outside of the player's control bring his score down? No, it's just miserable all around. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@jdb4 @Bent @Tequila Joe @harold  Cool, thanks for the insight.


I had him as a 3rd or 4th rounder and so did most everyone else until he ran a quick forty at the combine.


Maroney, on the other hand, I figured wouldn't be a bad pro.

jdb4
jdb4

@Bent @Tequila Joe@harold 

If you read the book "War Room" They didn't see anything in him, at least their scouts didn't.

That was when Belichick ignored his scouts and talked to his buddies Urban Myer and Ben McDaniels (Josh's brother who coached at Minnesota at the time)  

They drafted Maroney and Jackson.

Since then it seems Belichick continues to ignore his scouts. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Tequila Joe @harold  Was watching a ton of college football at that time and I'm still baffled as to what they saw in him.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@harold  Feel bad for the guy but he was drafted by the Patriots, so that's a plus...

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

There is a very large difference between "afraid from contact" and "needs to improve his tackling."

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

I HAVE watched MANY Nebraska games LIVE and you are wrong. Utterly wrong.

Stanley Jean-Baptiste is a physical corner who takes on offensive linemen and jams receivers at the line. But he's "afraid of contact?" No. Wrong. Completely and totally WRONG.

juunit
juunit

@a57se @juunit 

You're blinder than that duck. The LG, #64, did not make contact with anyone but Jean-Baptiste on that play. 

There is not even a #43 on defense involved in that play. 

#44, Gregory, was being blocked by #88, Lynch, and did not touch the pulling guard at all. 


AND even if he did, where is the evidence of Jean-Baptiste avoiding contact?

juunit
juunit

@greggreen @juunit@hazard2012@a57se 

He can definitely see the field, he just shouldn't be starting opposite Milliner in year one. He's gonna be very good, but his technique is way too inconsistent right now. He's only been a corner for two years after all. His instincts and ball skills are undeniable though, along with the fact that he's bigger than most safeties. 

hazard2012
hazard2012

@a57se  


Baptiste is just learning...kind of the way Ziggy was learning DE, but he could be a worthwhile project. 


I also really like Deone Bucannon at SS, and am intrigued by the potential of Telvin Smith, Fla St. to play SS in the NFL rather than OLB.   

greggreen
greggreen

@juunit @hazard2012 @a57se @greggreen  thats what i was saying. im not even talking about this project player starting at any point. bringing him along slow was me saying not seeing the field until year 2 kind of thing. breaking him in slowly

greggreen
greggreen

@hazard2012 @a57se @greggreen  im not saying first or second im thinking 3rd-5th. I like what im reading on baptiste, if the biggest knock on him is straight line speed im on board. you can work around that.

juunit
juunit

@hazard2012 @a57se@greggreen 

I like Jean-Baptiste. But he's only been playing corner for a few years. He's not really ready to be a starter right away. If we drafted him we'd still need a veteran. 

hazard2012
hazard2012

@a57se @greggreen  


I really like McGill.  Like Baptiste, too, but neither is a guy you necessarily want to take in first or second round.   If you can't land Dennard, Gilbert of Fuller, you have to get one of these other two guys, and you may need to get an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder to get 'em.  .     

gusto
gusto

Beckham Jr and Fuller are my favorites at 18. I'd be happy with either player.

juunit
juunit

@gusto  

My only issue is our #1 pick would really be better spent somewhere other than CB. Fuller is a good player, so I wouldn't hate it. I'd just much rather see a receiver there. Or even possibly a LB if the right one falls. 

harold
harold

@gusto

If we just want better than Cro last year the 108th ranked CB in pass coverage out of 110 CB.  Lankster or Walls can do that right now.  Fuller can give us a long term excellent one two punch.

juunit
juunit

@harold  

IMO, the only reason he's not talked about as the #1 guy in the draft is because he didn't play the full season. But if you extrapolate what he did to a full season, he's at the top statistically and obviously the tape is up there too.

Some guy ran the burn percentage numbers (number of times beat compared to number of snaps played) and Fuller was #1, followed by Dennard a couple percentage points worse off. Then the next best CB was a solid 10% worse off. 

The people acting as if there are more than 2 top CBs in this draft are nuts. Verrett and Gilbert just aren't of the same level. 

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

In my opinion the greatest catch of all time. So damn clutch.

harold
harold

@a57se @harold @Brendan @whoeverelsewasreading

Then say he plays bigger comparing him to Dez Bryant is not a good comp.

harold
harold

@a57se

Because one trait whether physical or otherwise, does make players similar.

I hope that makes sense.

gusto
gusto

@a57se @harold @Brendan @whoeverelsewasreading,

All I'm really trying to say is Dez Bryant and Beckham Jr carry themselves in similar manners on the field, and that Beckham, at 5'11", plays like a bigger guy. That's it.

twin
twin

@Brendan


   he can become strong like me........

harold
harold

@gusto

Go back and watch the tape plenty of times Holmes is very emotional. 

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@harold  If Anquan Boldin and Santonio Holmes had a love child his name would be Odell Beckham Jr.

harold
harold

@Tequila Joe

I like ODB and would welcome him to the Jets.  Not emotional on him at all.  Just think you guys are way off base and if you all think you are getting Boldin or Bryant is the type of player you are getting you will be disappointed.

gusto
gusto

After Holmes makes a big play, he does the ball-drop point thing. That's a fact. After Beckham makes a big play, he beats his chest and struts around a little bit. Also fact. Beckham, after a big play, shows more emotion than Holmes does. Is Holmes an emotional player? Yes. Does he display himself as an emotional player the way Beckham and Bryant do? No. That's clear enough to anyone with eyes.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@harold  Revisionist history? Maybe you should look it up, you clearly don't know what it means. 

gusto
gusto

Okay, Beckham Jr isn't the physical specimen that Bryant is. I thought I made that clear by calling him a "shorter Dez Bryant," but that clearly is not the case. Beckham Jr's tape, to me, shows a player who plays big for his height while also possessing the same abilities as a short receiver. That's why the first name I called was Dez Bryant, because he plays like a bigger guy than his measurables suggest. Is Tone a fair comparison? Yes, for a few reasons. But at the same time, Tone doesn't show that ability to adjust to a ball like Beckham and other bigger receivers because his arms aren't as long, which is why they are also different players.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@harold  It's crazy how emotional you're getting over a simple comparison. I think you buried yourself long before you started posting. Good luck with yourself...

harold
harold

@gusto

Holmes is as emotional as either of them.  Are you seroius, you are reaching now, just quit it.

harold
harold

@johnnyI65

If that was the only point it would not have gone on this long.   Please read all his posts he is making more than this one point.  He is talking about explosiveness after the catch, the strength, his argument has better multi layered.  To act otherwise is just incorrect.

gusto
gusto

You read the comment wrong. "Explode after plays" means when the play is DONE, they get emotional and start to beat their chest and yell.

harold
harold

@a57se

And for the record the one comp which is valid I acknowledged in my very first sentence.  Didn't think pointing the dismiliar traits would cause such an uproar.

gusto
gusto

After the catch? But what does that have to do with going up and getting a jump ball? What are you talking about?

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@harold  Give it up already he conceded that he didn't mean strength only that he is comparing one aspect of Boldin and Bryant's game and that is attacking the ball at it's high point  and not giving up on a poorly thrown ball that the defender is in a better position to grab. I'm sure you get his point. It's very obvious what he means and you've already agreed to that point..

harold
harold

@Brendan @gusto

Brendan at this point you have to let him and Tequila Joe bury themselves.  It is just not worth it.  Now revisionist history is in style. 

harold
harold

@a57se

Holmes had very good short area quickness and was able to operate in small areas.  Beckham plays bigger than Holmes and I acknowledged he has a larger catch radius above, but really that is the only major difference and may give him more upside, but as far as comps go still a much better one than Dez or Boldin.  Those comps are just not good ones.

Brendan
Brendan

@gusto  Dude, what? Please stop. When Tone was healthy he was one of the most explosive and exciting players in the entire league after the catch. 

gusto
gusto

I don't make the Tone comp because they don't have similar demeanors. Tone doesn't explode after plays the way Bryant and Beckham Jr do. Sounds silly, I know. Physically, Beckham Jr plays like Tone, no doubt. But I don't see Tone's sideline savvy in Beckham Jr. Tone's toe tap is rather elite, and that's what I remember him for most. I don't see that in Beckham the way I saw it in Marqise Lee.

harold
harold

@gusto

I am comparing them.  I stated why in the very first post they were disimiliar.  The reason this post is this long is you want to win a debate that is really not a winning argument.

Beckham is a good prospect, but not a Dez Bryant or Anquan Boldin type player as you are indicating the former and others the latter.

He is not that guy to suggest is really just not understanding what makes these guys great players.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Brendan @Tequila Joe  Touche, I am tainted by the Tone of recent. I loved Tone coming out of Ohio State. I thought he had hall of fame potential, believe it or not. Obviously, that never came to fruition. I always thought the Giants were wrong for drafting Kiwanuka over Tone in the draft but again that ended up working in their favor. You are right Tone was a scrappy player and did a lot of things that I see in Beckham now, but I still think Beckham plays with a little more edge.

gusto
gusto

Those are jump balls to you? When I say jump ball, I mean the ball is down on the 5 yard line and the team throws a 50-50 ball and the receiver straight up muscles it from a DB like Calvin Johnson or Julio Jones would. Tone never did that.

Bent
Bent moderator

@levi @Bent @gusto  I expect he falls into that veteran-with-health-concerns group where the market picks up after the draft.

gusto
gusto

@harold,

You can do things similar to a player and not be that player. You need to get past the name "Dez Bryant" and look at the whole statement that is being made. Odell Beckham Jr does things similar to Dez Bryant down the field, as well as carries himself with the same demeanor. He may not be the same physical player, but I see traces of Dez Bryant in Odell Beckham Jr.

levi
levi

@Bent @gusto  speaking of Holmes since he hasnt signed anywhere maybe he will be back?

harold
harold

@gusto

You guys are really missing the point.  Holmes has many of the same traits, size, speed, both can make very tough catches.  But both drop some easy one.  They can get downfiled and run after the catch.  They play special teams coming into the NFL.

Beckham is a very good prospect but so was Holmes.  They are good comps.

Comparing him to physical imposing WR just because he attacks the ball in the air is like comparing Lynn Swan to Michael Irvin.  One similar trait does not make a comp.

gusto
gusto

And I've always been a big fan of Santonio Holmes. I think he's a good guy, a great teammate, and a really good player to have when healthy. I just don't believe he's as good as Beckham Jr will be for a few reasons.

gusto
gusto

Never in my life have I seen Santonio Holmes win a jump ball as a New York Jet. Maybe he did it in Pittsburgh, but as a Jet? Never, I've seen him get behind defenders, I've seen him catch the fade route in the back of the endzone, I've seen him burn DBs in OT to win games, but never have I seen the Jets throw the ball to Holmes in a jump ball situation over a defender. This past season, I saw Holmes go up and get one or two, but no DB was around to contest those, so I really don't know if Holmes is comparable to Beckham Jr in that manner.

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe I don't think you can really say that. People crap all over Tone now because they think he's soft, but the guy's dealt with real injuries that sideline people that are considered to be much tougher than he is. 


I keep flashing back to the 2010 "Top 100 players" video and the clips in it, how hard Tone worked on the field. It's a shame injuries derailed what started as a promising stint with the team. 


As for Beckham, I'd say he has more potential, but he's a very similar type of player to a young Tone. 

harold
harold

@Tequila Joe

If the only simliar trait is they attack the football which I have already given credit for, but no other similiar traits exist, how is that a contradictory statement?

Please guys you are really reaching on this one let it good.

Brendan
Brendan

@gusto  I think you're really underselling Tone's downfield ability. He's older now, but when he was in his prime he was an explosive, diminutive receiver who attacked the ball and consistently won jump balls over larger defenders. People are comparing him to an in-his-prime Holmes, not an injured version of the guy. It's pretty fair if you look at it through that lens. 

harold
harold

@gutso

Holmes can get downfield very well.  He has lost a step but is still very good.  Beckham is not a huge homerun threat, like Holmes he doesn't run away from many defenders but can locate the ball and make catches down the field.

Beckham shows a slightly larger catch radius, but they really are very similar.  Beckham will have to be more of a catch and run guy in the pros.  Holmes ran a faster 40 but both time a little faster than they play. 

Lastly let go of the Bryant stuff he is not that guy.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@harold  It's more of Beckham's attitude and demeanor on the field that reminds me of Boldin. Beckham makes tough catches look easy just like Boldin. He's tough and isn't afraid to get physical with cornerbacks just like Boldin. Beckham is shorter (5'11") but plays like he's 6'2"(Boldin's height). He's not afraid to go over the middle and HAROLD if you don't think players are any way alike don't end your post with a contradiction. 

gusto
gusto

I don't know how you can be a physical route runner, but okay. When I call Beckham Jr a shorter Dez Bryant, I mean that he's comparable downfield to Bryant and that he's not afraid to go up and get the ball, which is not a character trait you see in most receivers under 6 feet. He still has the size, measurables, and abilities as the guys under 6 feet, but he plays like a bigger receiver to me. That's why I compared him to a Dez Bryant and not Antonio Brown. The best comparison is probably a taller Steve Smith or a faster Anquan Boldin, but he doesn't have their physicality either. But Santonio Holmes isn't a good comparison either because Tone isn't as good downfield as Beckham Jr is or can be. Tone was always a guy who took that 5 yard slant 40 yards, which is what Marqise Lee does.

harold
harold

@Tequila Joe

What are you guys talking about, he is not an Anquan Boldin type player at all.  Now you guys went from poor comp to just plain wrong.

Have you you really watched the tape?  What in his play reminds you even remotely of Anquan Boldin? 

P.S.  We know he highpoint and attacks the football.

Brendan
Brendan

@Tequila Joe Isn't that the case for every player that will be drafted, though? 

harold
harold

@gusto

Read the whole post.  I gave hime credit for what he does well, but your comp is poor, imo.  He is not physical route runner or at the line, not sure where you see the comparison

gusto
gusto

I went back and read my comment. I take back that he's strong. I don't, however, take back that he's stronger than Santonio Holmes, which is what I originally stated.

harold
harold

@a57se

I said he is very aggressive at the point of the catch.  I have watched his tape and like his game but he is not a Dez Bryant type player, that is just a poor comp for him.

Brendan
Brendan

@gusto  He's not strong, dude. You can say a lot of positive things about Beckham, but strength isn't one of them. 

gusto
gusto

Seriously, who cares about what he benched? His game tape against SEC players shows a strong player at receiver. On the bench he can't use that 4.3 speed to keep his legs churning, can he? I just don't see how that's a fair point to hold against a wide receiver.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Aggressiveness =/= strength. 



Beckham is very aggressive at the catch, he's not strong, though. 

harold
harold

@gusto

He is not a strong player, he did 6 reps on the bench and doesn't play physically on tape.  He competes for the ball in the air, but is not an especially strong player in his route or at the line.