Link: SI.com covers Jets team needs

SI.com’s Audibles blog wrote up the draft needs for all the NFC and AFC teams, here’s what Chris Burke wrote against the Jets.

New York Jets
Current picks: 18, 49, 80, 104, 115, 137, 154, 195, 209, 210, 213, 233

Needs: Cornerback, wide receiver, tight end

Guard is another spot the Jets would like to address. But they may have backed themselves into a corner by slow-playing free agency at cornerback, where they lost Antonio Cromartie and only later added Dmitri (sic) Patterson. Tight end and receiver go somewhat hand-in-hand: New York needs more weapons on offense, even after signing Eric Decker.

Fortunately for the Jets and many others, as has been discussed often, this is a deep draft at WR. That’s not so much the case at cornerback, at least in terms of finding a No. 1 or No. 2 option — so the Jets might lean that direction in Round 1.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

It’s a fair point to say that there’s more potential starting WRs than CBs that will be available in the second round than the first, but there are still players that can be had at CB into the second, third and fourth round that I do think could help out the Jets early in their career.  Players like Pierre Desir, Stanley-Jean Baptiste and Marcus Roberson could be effective add-ins for the Jets.



224 comments
Jaime Rios
Jaime Rios

I think we can do DAMAGE , We should keep our picks and BUILD, It's plenty of great talent , Just have to find them . SUPER SLEEPER' , NC ECSU NIGEL RIOS CB /S , ALL - AMERICAN ,ALL- CIAA FIRST DEFENSIVE TEAM 3 years in row, He's the JVERRETTE of CIAA, 84/TKL / 64 SOLO / 6BLK kick . The DC PROSPECT is a true play maker , he be a lock pick , IF he went to any D1 that recruited him , MD / VT / WV /NEB / KANS.ST / RUTG / ILLI . WE KEEP SLEEPING on D2 BALLERS , THE MAN CAN flat out BALL , BALL HAWK , HYBIRD , TURN OVER  machine . At 5'9 180  He's a PLAY MAKER , He's a DIAMOND in ROUGH '' IDZIK needs to EVALUATE , PROYECT , This TALENT  JUST LOOK at his FILM . http;//www.hudl.com/athlete/o/44750/highlights/103373377 ,  His a steal in late rounds,6/7, if nobody STEALS HIM EARLY like 5 round ,HE'S to good '' GOD BLESS JETS NATION '

iamnace
iamnace

Does anyone think the Jets could give up there #2 & #3 for Clevelands 26th. pick in the 1st.round.

Then the Jets could fill 2 huge needs and maybe get Dennard and maybe Cook or Beckam

WW85
WW85

Anyone want Manziel if he falls to 18?

a57se
a57se

The Golden Rule of scouting is that you DON'T scout production, you scout traits.

So many fans looks at production in college and think that will translate to the pros.

Most often it does not. Traits of what makes a good NFL player do translate and that is what good scouts look for.

boomer
boomer

One of the interesting things about having the draft so late this year is watching some players rise and fall.  It always happens but it seems to be even more acute this year.


Take a guy like Cody Latimer who a few weeks ago was pegged as a mid to late round pick and who is now getting talked about as a potential first round pick mostly due to the fact that he finally got healthy after foot surgery and had a great pro day after missing most of the combine.  The only drill he did participate in at the combine was bench press and he beat all wide receivers with 23 reps.  He's also big at 6'2" and ran a 4.38 forty at his pro day.  


Don't be surprised if he goes ahead of a some of the "big name" receivers people have been talking about for weeks.

Pat d
Pat d

If the medical staff okays Lee he will most likely be the pick at 18.

ms77
ms77

I think after Watkins and Evans there are too many WR's in the next group to figure out who is the right pick. I am hoping jets go with Ebron at 18 and if he is gone then go with best cb available (hopefully Denard). Wait until round 2 for best WR available assuming Evans doesn't drop to 18.

iamnace
iamnace

@Jaime Rios

Awesome Highlight reel,your right he is a ballhawk. I worry a little about his size though, they listed him at 170 lbs. He can certainly beef up in an NFL camp

NYBaller89
NYBaller89

@iamnace  that would be awesome then i would take dennard or cooks with the 18th pick and take austin seferian jenkins wit the 26th pick

Bent
Bent moderator

@iamnace  Yes I could see some kind of move like this happening.

a57se
a57se

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo  

Agents by their kids thing between declaring for the draft and the actual draft. nothing illegal there as the agents are basically acting like a bank.

Paul Samuels
Paul Samuels

@a57se The only thing is that a player must have the talent and traits. which normally mean they produce in college. They are the guys that go in round 1, early round 2/

WW85
WW85

@a57se  Did we draft Stephen Hill based on traits?  Because he had no college production. We drafted him based on potential which may be different from traits.

WW85
WW85

@boomer  I am totally guilty. Watched a bunch of tape on him. Guy can block, He catches everything, strong as an ox, terrific size & he runs 4.39!! He out-muscles CBs regularly. This guy can't get manhandled. It is insane he was a 4th rounder. Is it totally insane to take him at 18?  If you asked me last week, I'd have said I was nuts. NOW....I'm not so sure.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@Pat d  


Please stop, Pat.   It's embarrassing.   We understand you like Lee...but the only way he's our first pick is if about 25 other guys ranked higher on our board get picked before 18...



MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@ms77  Ebron doesn't excite me at all to be honest. I'd rather take a quick receiver or a corner

Jaime Rios
Jaime Rios

@iamnace @Jaime Rios  THE young man is 180 , He's a tremendous TALENT' , EVERY BODY SLEEPING on D2 BALLERS , THIS DC KID ,plays with a chip on his shoulders , The man started VARSITY IN 8 GRADE , We need play makers and that's what he brings , I SEE this KID BEING a GREAT player from 1 year from now, LIKE YOU said he will beef up once he become a PRO. THANKS , for the FEED back . He's the same man that shut TAVON ALSTON 15 YARDS ,in a DC / MD HIGH SCHOOL game . IDZIK BETTER STEAL THIS BEAST, LETS not forget ARRON GLENN / DARRELL GREEN / WHERE SMALL ,, it's how much you want it , He's a game changer , I'LL take him in late rounds over LAMARCUS JOYNER , RICARDO ALLEN , NEVIN LAWSON , ALL these early round guys , ECSU NIGEL RIOS IS A STUD . EAST CAROLINA denied him PRO'D , And inform ECSU, 3 DAYS before PRO'D that he will be a distraction for ECU PLAYERS on there PRO'D. We know D1 SCHOOLS don't want D2 STUDS ,To out SHINE D1 PROSPECTS. SOME BODY going to STICK draft , because he's a low risk HI REWARD LATE ROUND GEM', GOD BLESS looking forward to see him , DENARD / JVERRETT TANDEM ''  WOW .This KID is 3,4, round had he gone D1

a57se
a57se

@Bent @iamnace 

From the trade Value chart, our 2nd, the TB 4th plus our 5th, 6th and 7th would get us near the top of the second round.

Our second and third would get us into the bottom of the first round.

Both are possibilities.......I would think it would depend on who is left near the end of the first round and what other teams are trying to trade into the bottom of the first to grab QB's or other guys........I like Washington in the 2nd round as they don;t have many picks and would probably like to pick up 4 or so......

marc55
marc55

@a57se @Johnsbodybyvi LedoEven if that is what it is, someone driving a new Mercedes around, that he has to borrow money from his agent to get, clearly doesn't get it in my book.  I am not saying this would prevent the Jets from drafting him, but it's still a negative.

a57se
a57se

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo  

I would probably take him.......he's a risk but QB is the place you take risks at, IMHO.

Bent
Bent moderator

@WW85 @a57se  Did we draft Derrick Strait based on traits?

boomer
boomer

@WW85 @boomer  I was too.  I think we all get sucked into the potential mistake of focusing on the guys who either made a lot of noise at big time programs or are the focus of the "experts".  I didn't really start paying attention to him until I heard last week the Eagles are showing a lot of interest and seeing him as a potential for him at 22.


After watching some tape on him I have to say he is a pretty impressive player.

Pat d
Pat d

What is embarrassing is people posting that Lee will have to be a gadget slot receiver, which is what started this whole conversation. Last week what was embrassing were the claims that Lee uses his body to catch the ball when he can make catches over both shoulders and can go up and high catch the ball in tight coverage.

What is really embrassing is a bunch of Jets fans dismissing Lee that have obviously never seen him play.

On the other hand Hazard your reasons for not picking Lee that you listed about a week ago are quite legitimate.

And I guarantee there are not 25 players rated above Lee on any teams board.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@MarshRandy @ms77  


Ebron should excite you.  So should ASJ, Amaro or Niklas.  All would be big upgrades over Cumby and nice complements to him, and dangerous play-makers that would take some of the focus and stress off our evolving receiving corps.   


Ebron's the only first rounder in the bunch, and one could argue the others will fit us just as nicely later, but upgrading TE is as important to improving our O as any WR.   

a57se
a57se

@WW85 @a57se@Bent@iamnace 

Plus Cleveland already has a ton of picks in this draft......now if there is someone on our Defense that Pettine really wants......

WW85
WW85

@a57se @Bent @iamnace  Washington makes a lot more sense than Cleveland. Cle wants a QB +1 as they build. Skins just need more picks

Cordell C
Cordell C

How is that a negative? Clowney was sitting court side at the heat playoff game seems like it common to take loans or gifts from your agent

a57se
a57se

@WW85 @a57se 

If it was just a footrace between the CB and the WR, I would agree with you. It isn't.

WW85
WW85

@a57se I think speed is more important at CB than any other position in football. I like Desir but it's def a negative. If you don't have recovery speed, you're toast. Of course football IQ, tughness make up for some speed. But dont make it seem like it's irrelevant. 

a57se
a57se

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo  

No team needs two studs at CB......Desir can be a very good CB despite his slower 40 time.

a57se
a57se

@WW85 @a57se 

Have I ever compared Manziels' arm to Brady?

You did, not me. 

You are also comparing Manziels arm to Chad Pennington which is just silly to me.

Manziel haas enough arm to make all the throws.....he is not Jay Cutler or Doug Williams but he throws a nice ball and he's just 21, he will get stronger.

I am not worried about his arm....sorry.

WW85
WW85

@a57se To say that Brady's arm compares to Manziel is just plain wrong. Brady throws tight balls with velocity even deep 40yd outs. His arm strength is elite. Geno has an excellent arm as does Simms. Brady has a far stronger arm than Peyton. It blows Manziel away.

a57se
a57se

@johnnyl65 @a57se@WW85 

Even there, anticipation is more important. Arm strength makes a difference when you need to fit balls into tight windows....... Chad ALWAYS had trouble with that and during the playoffs, the better defenses make the windows tighter.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@a57se @WW85  True it's ball placement not arm strength and yet arm strength definitely matters on quick ins and outs.

a57se
a57se

@WW85 @a57se 

Matt Simms has a stronger arm then Brady. So does Geno and Vick......

WW85
WW85

@a57se We lived through Pennington. Brady absolutely has a cannon & you need it in the northeast. His deep balls are rockets. Peyton does not, but Eli does.

a57se
a57se

@WW85 @a57se 

Neither Peyton, Brees or Brady have cannon arms....that is not a prerequisite to be a top notch QB

WW85
WW85

@a57se I don't see the cannon arm. I think Russ Wilson has a much stronger arm. So many of JM's passes look like lobs to me. 

a57se
a57se

@WW85 @boomer 

I am sure the Jets were aware of Lattimer before the media knew who he was.

WW85
WW85

@boomer Strongest  WR, 3rd fastest WR(coming off injury!), More yardage every year, physical enough to get off the line. At Indiana, he didnt face top competiiton. I need to see more tape, but I hope the Jets are doing their homework.

boomer
boomer

@WW85 @boomer  Yea, I'm hoping that could be just a case of not wanting anyone to think they are interested.  I really like his game.

WW85
WW85

@boomer Bradway watched him in Indiana, but the Jets have not invited him for a visit. 

Zartan
Zartan

@Pat d  Lee would be my 4th WR but he was one of about 3-4 guys that i seen(combine) that did not blink when the ball hit their hands. Guys must be scared of the ball.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@Pat d  


Well, maybe the 25 is on the high side...but I can think of 15 off the cuff who the Jets and every other team in the league would and should rate higher than Lee.   


It's less that I dislike Lee and more that I like some other WR's better.   You and I have gone over those reasons, and thanks for acknowledging some of them are legitimate.   Your points re Lee have validity too, and Lee is by no means the only WR in this draft with questions/concerns hanging over them.  


But in the end it comes down to preference.  Your's is Lee. I'm fond of big receivers who play "above the rim"...especially when you have a QB, like Geno, with accuracy issues.   With Evans you don't worry about speed, routes or coverage --- just throw the ball in his direction and chances are he'll catch it. I like Moncrief because he's bigger and faster and jumps higher than Lee and has, imo, a higher ceiling than him, Cooks, Beckham and anyone else other than Watkins or Evans in this draft.  


In the end, however, my main concern with Lee is that he may not be the outstanding player he was before the injury, etc.    Everything notable about him is old news, and every cause for concern is more recent, post injury.  I'll take a flier on a guy later in the draft, but not with my first pick....and I think a lot of comments on this blog reflect that. This O has enough question marks as it is...why add another with our top pick in a draft this talented?    



MPTG_Frank
MPTG_Frank

When did this blog become the publicity arm for USC? Pom Poms anyone?