Link: Stability is key to NFL success … but how does the Jets front office define stability?

Gary Meyers writes an article pointing out the virtues of organizational stability for the NY Daily News which features a report that current Seahawks defensive coordinator Dan Quinn might (stressing the word might) be atop the Jets head coaching candidate list per a … wait for it … unnamed source.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

This does jive with the names we’ve heard as potential DC candidates and seems to leave the offensive side of the ball out of it … which might imply that Mornhinweg would remain on the staff.

I do agree with Meyers that organizational stability only helps teams breed winning programs.  Still, there’s a simple cause-and-effect that have to be factored into the larger picture of long-term NFL success.

The Steelers are a statistical outlier.  They are the only organization that has the long-term vision and trust in themselves to have only had less than a handful of coaches since the Seventies.  That’s not the norm, though should be the model.

Teams that have already been successful with their coaches and GMs tend to stay in power and at the top of the league longer than organizations that are constantly making changes.  Teams like the Colts and Patriots have had little long-term organizational stability, but by virtue of winning quarterbacks/coaches have created that culture.  Conversely, organizations like the Raiders have been driven into the ground by bad ownership and management, but do have a storied history.  Ah, but what happens in New England when Brady and Belichick leave?  What happens in Oakland if they can draft the next Peyton Manning?

Finding a coach and quarterback that ownership can trust, and then sticking to a long-term plan, maybe a little longer than might be comfortable to build a successful program is key to long-term NFL success.  In 2010 the Jets had the most talent top to bottom that I have ever seen on a Jets roster in my lifetime.  Since then, the Jets fought the CBA Final Eight rules, doled out some bad contracts and rode their 2010 talent zenith all the way to its 2013 nadir.

I understand that shotgun weddings can’t always work in the NFL, but it seems to be going OK in Carolina this year between Gettleman and Rivera.

Because of?

Cam Newtown.

Geno Smith (or whomever might fall to them in the first round of 2014) might be the key to making a long-term arrangement work between Rex Ryan and John Idzik.  As far as Geno, it sucks that Ryan’s fate is all but decided while Smith just played his best three game stretch of the season, yet no one in the front office seems to be taking that into consideration when it comes to Ryan’s status.

We’ll find out where this goes on Monday, but it just feels to me like it might be better to move a year too late than a year too soon when it comes to this team’s head coach at this point in time.




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swghostjet
swghostjet

Quoting Gary Meyers now? Stability is great when things are great. Noll and Cowher won their division damn near every year. Noll took the worst team in football and made them the best in 4 years. and that's a million years ago - rebuilding is a silly term these days too. Takes no time to turn a team around. Oh and Cowher was a winner from the getgo. I don't believe he had 3 losing seasons in total.


And why is another justification for keeping Rex that he exceeded expectations? Some of you homers want it all ways - curse out the media all year for being clueless for predicting doom, and then use those idiotic predictions to justify what a great record 7-9 is! Which is it - the coach or the players? Rex needs more talent? Sure he could use pro bowlers at every position, but then any ordinary coach will do. I'll give you that Rex on balance is that ordinary guy.


The biggest indictment of Rex should be that his defense has slipped every year he has been here. That despite drafting nothing but defense. And the idea he had no influence on that seems silly too - I don't even buy that he was 'forced' to start Winters. Was he forced to get and start Reed? Did he not lose his mind over Holmes and Mason too? Did he not say Sparano was 'his mirror image' on offense? I guess if you choose only to hear what you want, then no he did none of those things. 


They could do worse for sure. But if they did, that wouldn't justify keeping him - it would just be absolute proof they chose the wrong GM!


Another contradiction I see all the time is that the Jets don't give QBs or coaches enough time. There were plenty who were upset to see herm go. Didn't take long for KC to figure him out though. Plenty didn't want to see Mangini go. 2 years in Cleveland and done forever. Many loved Walton and still think of him as a great OC! Bill Walsh disagreed, but what did he know about offense? 


Who knows, maybe if Rex let Morningweg choose his own QB coach, if only he joined the rest of the planet and let the wildcat die in 2009, it would have made a difference. Lee is as bad as Cavanaugh - only he has a much longer record of futility. He's had a dozen jobs in his very long career, producing nothing better than Chad Henne. Why has no one pointed that out? Of course, he was Rex's guy, being Mr. Wildcat. 

bob
bob

BB says will find out where this goes on Monday. Is Monday the day coaches get fired ..So soon?

ww85
ww85

Best record of any Jet HC over 5 years EVER. Most AFCCG appearances by any JET HC ever. Beloved by players and fans. Idzik is easy to replace. Rex not so much.

jdawggg
jdawggg

I can understand getting rid of Rex, though I don't agree with it.  But replacing him with Dan Quinn who has all of one season's experience as an NFL DC doesn't seem to make any sense, other than Idzik trying to put his stamp on this team.  

Carlos Panameno
Carlos Panameno

@Bassett

Yeah man, U see these HCs of teams with good QB play and great skill players (Cboys, Lions, ATL) stinking up this year, shrrrrrr give me a break......put some of those players on Jets offense nd rex would have em in da playoffs.

(Consistancy)Look at Tomlin he'll be around for a while and he is having da same season as the Jets with a SB mvp QB and its ok because his players will never quit on him, i see some Tomlin in Rex nd i like it

Carlos Panameno
Carlos Panameno

Ive read a lot of articles of why we should keep Rex, but this statement is the best of the best and u could not have said it better. This is true to the core and if i had any doubt bfor now i dont. We should deff give Sexy Rexy the opportunitty to finish his contract and this is the reason why.

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We’ll find out where this goes on Monday, but it just feels to me like it might be better to move a year too late than a year too soon when it comes to this team’s head coach at this point in time"

Brendan
Brendan

Guys, you can't talk about anything behind-the-scenes if you haven't read the book that is now a57se's bible. Get it together. 

rock316nyj
rock316nyj

2014 has disaster written all over it for one simple reason....like it or not, these players are emotionally invested in their HC more than any group of players I have seen in a long time. He is a true father figure to them, and I find it hard to believe another guy will come in and have these players willing to run through a wall for him, I just don't see it.

bharper42
bharper42

@swghostjet 


Agreed.


Rex's program, rex's coaches, rex's drafts, rex's silly player's coach mentality.  3 futuile offensive seasons in a row is on the coach.  Placating management and allowing them to choose your offensive coaching personnel is just bad.  Of course, if he knew anything about offense and what he actually wanted and how to build and implement it would've perhaps swayed him to choose his offensive coaches.  But why should he?  He's back doing what he loves "teaching" defesne, defense, defense in an offensive league.


Can't wait for Black Monday.

Bent
Bent

@bob That's why they call it Black Monday.


I wouldn't be surprised to hear the news leak out Sunday night.  Monday could be the official announcement.  (Note: Not talking specifically about the Jets' situation, just teams in general).

a57se
a57se

@BrendanWas that really necessary Brendan? You accuse me of going around starting crap with you....what an arse you are.

bob
bob

@Bent@bob


Yikes . I hope Rex stays I know I will be in disbelief if they let Rex go. So many fan poles want Rex to stay, With that many yes vote leads me to believe that Rex is the guy. I also love Rex. Thanks Bent..Merry Christmas buddy I love ya. Thanks. 

ww85
ww85

With better play from the QB position. Absolutely. Show me a coach that has done a better job overcoming the horrid QB play we have had over the last 3-5 years

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You completely dismiss people because they haven't read the book. Is that really necessary? 

bharper42
bharper42

@ww85 


you know coaches live and die by the qb for a reason.  In this case rex has not brought improved play or stability to the position.  Meh it's only offense why should he, he has a #11 defense man that's all that matters.

Rudy Thom Jon
Rudy Thom Jon

@jake100 Sean Payton is a GREAT offensive mind, agree? DO you think he is a good Head Coach? Won a SB, wins the division almost every year. He knows NOTHING about the Defensive side of the ball.


He lost TWO games (Patriots, and Panthers) when he should have won. He didn't have the trust in Drew Brees to pick up one First Down last Sunday and win the game on his terms. He decided to run the ball three straight times into the line of scrimmage for no gain.


Same story versus the Patriots and they lost the game.


Jets vs Chargers (14-2) Divisional Playoff game. 4th Down and 2 to go on the Chargers' 41. Rex knew if he picks up the first down the game is OVER. He trusted his players (Thomas Jones) to get the 2 yards. 


That is the difference between good coaches and bad coaches. Don't tell me he is an offensive guy so get him as the NFL is now all offensive. What is Jim Harbaugh? Special Teams? Comon.


If they had a great candidate, PROVEN successful in the NFL bring him on, or else just keep Rex with all these Draft picks and $40 Million to spend on Free Agents.

ww85
ww85

I agree that Rex deserves some blame, but you can't be blind to the evolution happening. Idzik was in control of the draft. He forced Rex to play Winters. He drafted Geno and didn't bring a viable vet. The main point is that moving forward the 3 main guys see what they have to do

ww85
ww85

The current mix of idzik Rex and MM is showing improvement and playing to each other's strengths. BB is probably the only other HC in the NFL that could have taken the worst QB in the league to near .500

Brendan
Brendan

@djf1 I'm doing push-ups as we speak to get ready for the feats of strength. 

juunit
juunit

Merry Christmas everybody!

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

Brendan I hope ten more Hanks and ten more joeyboys show up on this site and drive you away....you are what's wrong with this site.

levi
levi

@Brendan @a57se You two are gonna get a lump of coal for Christmas if you keep it up. Santa is watching.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se 


Yeah! Stop responding to the opinions I post on a public forum meant to create interactions between fans! *shakes fist*

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Okay. Merry X-Mas, 57, I hope Santa is good to you. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I take issue whenever you act like an omniscient authority on the current Jets because you read an insider's account of the 2011 team. Like anyone who suggest anything that differs from the opinion you hold is wrong. No debate to be had, just a flat out "no" and that's that. 


My comment was my way of pointing to that grating style of discussion. 


If someone asks you to expound on something you said, to respond "read the book" is akin to flipping the bird. 


I just don't get how you go from "hey, that wasn't very nice" to the insanity you bring it to in .00001 seconds. You don't think following me around and calling me girl names and telling me to shut up is a bit over the top for a response to my comment? 


And the flat-out lying about trying to get Joeyboy banned, come on man. There was not a single person on this blog who tried that as much as you did. 


Edit: and I don't follow you around. You post on every thread (as do I), so it stands to reason we will cross paths. That's not the same as stalking someone. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent@a57se 

That is what he is doing to me....following me around and harassing me yet you NEVER CALL HIM OUT!


Bent
Bent

@a57se @Bent 


How about not by following round the site and calling him names?

a57se
a57se

@Bent@a57se  

" Guys, you can't talk about anything behind-the-scenes if you haven't read the book that is now a57se's bible. Get it together. "


Tell me how I am supposed to respond to crap like this from Brendan?


Bent
Bent

@a57se


I'd stop this if I were you, otherwise the first thing I do when I do get moderator rights back will be to ban you.


Over the last few days you've repeatedly cursed (including F-bombs) using masked profanity (why do you think we have a filter?), now you've taken to not just baiting, but STALKING.


That crosses the line.


Apologize too, please.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Lol. 


You didn't try to get him banned? Is that your stance? 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan@a57se 

You invented it when you were doing everything you could to get him banned. you baited him incessantly and went around to every one of his posts and constantly dogged him. I was here and I remember.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan@a57se 

I like it and will stick with it like you stuck with Shut Up Joseph.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se That would matter to me if I respected a man twice my age who insults me like a six year old would. But alas, I do not. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se OH I GET IT. BECAUSE BRENDA IS A GIRL, SO I MUST BE A GIRL IF I'M NAMED BRENDA. 



Cutting edge stuff outta you. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You are over 50 years. Just going to throw this out there. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se No one has ever misspelled my name that way, this isn't even clever trolling.