Link: Ten potential offseason trades

On NFL.com, Chris Wesseling posts a list of 10 possible trades that could happen over the summer.

Of particular interest to Jets fans will be the two players that could be on the block who had the Jets listed as a potential destination:

Dion Jordan, DE/LB, Dolphins: Jordan has been connected to Graham in trade talks that reportedly went nowhere between the Eagles and Dolphins. Whether it’s true or not, there is persistent speculation in league circles that Jordan is available for the right price because new general manager Dennis Hickey doesn’t value him nearly as high as former boss Jeff Ireland did. It doesn’t help that Jordan remains without an obvious position in the Dolphins’ 4-3 defense.

Potential landing spots: Eagles, Colts, Jets, Saints, Titans

[...]

Denarius Moore, WR, Raiders: Plagued by inconsistency since flashing major playmaking ability in his rookie training camp, Moore appeared to fall out of favor with the Raiders’ coaching staff last season. Now that the team has signed James Jones and claimed Greg Little off waivers, tough cuts will have to be made in late August. Receiver-needy teams should be sniffing around on Moore as he enters the final year of his rookie deal. Unfortunately, two of the teams most in need of a deep threat (Chargers, Chiefs) are division rivals.

Potential landing spots: Browns, Chargers, Chiefs, Jets, Panthers

Bent, TheJetsBlog.com

While it should be noted that this is just speculation to link the Jets to these players, it’s worth considering whether either one is a possibility.

It would be shocking for the Dolphins to give up on Jordan after just one season, especially after having moved up for him in last year’s draft. Maybe he isn’t a scheme fit, but you’ve got to believe Miami could find some kind of a role for a guy with his kind of potential and it’s unlikely they’d get good value for Jordan coming off an underwhelming first season that saw him record 26 tackles and 2.0 sacks in a reserve role. Jordan is the type of player Rex Ryan could certainly find a role for – most likely as an heir apparent to Calvin Pace – but the jury is out on what kind of impact he can have at this level. It’s doubtful whether Miami would want to trade him to a divisional rival anyway.

As for Moore, this is something that might have made sense before the draft, but seems less likely now. With three receivers selected in the draft and two signed as free agents already this offseason, I’m not sure there’s room for another. If Moore was a number one receiver, that might change things, but his career best season saw him catch 51 passes in 2012, which is 10 less than David Nelson caught just one year prior to that. Moore does have 17 touchdowns in three seasons, but with a contract extension on the horizon, it’s more likely they will go with what they have. Maybe that will change if none of the rookies step up during the offseason program.

Is there anyone else on the list (or not on the list) you think the Jets could target? Alternatively, could you see them trading away anyone currently on the Jets roster?




123 comments
jetsfan14
jetsfan14

I would be shocked if Miami gives up on Jordan this quickly--and doubly shocked if they traded him within their own division. I'd give this a <1% chance of happening.


As for Moore, I agree with Bent: the Jets might have traded a draft pick for him (maybe a 4th--though I think that's a bit high), but having used 3 draft picks on WR, and 1 at TE and having signed 2 FA WR's, I would be almost equally shocked to see us trading for Moore (unless the team has totally given up on Hill and wants to trade Hill straight up for Moore).

Brendan
Brendan

*pokes head in*


*sees BS being insane and irrational about Hill*


"Ah, business as usual." 

marc55
marc55

Bent,

Unrelated to this post, can you comment on the possibility of Wilson seeing snaps at safety,playing deep center field? I'm curious about his role with the addition of patterso and the retention of Walls, because he could end up being the 2nd best option in the slot and the 4th best outside.

dgdg
dgdg

Crisis mode over there at Metsblog today.  Seems people don't think firing the hitting coach is going to turn things around.  Who even thought they'd get turned in an upwards direction?  Bassett, Bent, thank goodness you are not as useless as Cerrone!


Clarification: you guys actually know what you are talking about!

Brendan
Brendan

Lol. Sean Lee is already injured. 

maynard
maynard

Show me a potential trade for an OL guy and I,ll get excited 

marcus81
marcus81

@jetsfan14  Moore sounds like Schilens part 2, stick with Hill till he proves he's not going to improve, though this season could be his last if he doesn't improve

bradysucks
bradysucks

Hill isn't good at football

Guess this makes me insane for hoping the Jets replace him

Lol

As a wise man once said......WHATEVER

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Brendan 

It's a long off-season and we need to hear who stinks everyday.  That's what real fans do. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan 

I am trying to shut him up with a wager but he'll probably wuss out.

Bent
Bent moderator

@marc55 This seems to be something that gets raised every year but doesn't happen.  Wilson gets involved in too many coverage breakdowns to be the guy I'd want as the last line of defense, but he has played the occasional snap there at times.


I think the Jets are just happy that they have two options to cover the slot now (and that's not including Allen).

jetlife
jetlife

@Brendan In college I used to see him on campus ALWAYS on a Segway nursing some injury.  I miss those days *tear*.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan It would be hilarious if he's actually talking about Patrick Ford.

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

@Brendan At first I missed the "s" and thought Snacks was calling him fat.

Ceifus Hornswoggle
Ceifus Hornswoggle

@Brendan 

Wouldn't it be awesome if both Ford and Hill turned a major corner this year and became some insane dual deep threat...  It's possible.

jsadolph
jsadolph

@Brendan 

I hope Snacks and everyone else notices that all of our offseason acquisitions are faster than expected.

jetlife
jetlife

@a57se @Brendan I drunkenly bet $200 with my roommates(Pats fans) that the Jets would win the division....could be a rough season. 

marc55
marc55

I hear ya, perpetual wishful thinking on my part.

jetsfan14
jetsfan14

@Ceifus Hornswoggle @Brendan It's touching to see that you have such high hopes for the handicapped. But seriously, yes, it would be awesome if either one of them managed to put it together. But I think that is a lot less likely than having Jalen Saunders morph into a slightly smaller DeSean Jackson, or Shaq Evans turning into a Jericho Cotchery clone.

rebot4
rebot4

@bradysucks Does being in an "offense" run by "offensive coordinator" Tony Sparano count against Stephen Hill? I give damn near everyone on offense a mulligan for being subjected toSparano.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Hill has been terrible at WR for the Jets. The production hasn't been there. I do not claim to have a crystal ball. I'll be happy if Hill starts playing to the potential that so many others claim he has.

I don't think being tall and fast makes a young man a good wide receiver.

I think there is A LOT more that goes into that position. If Hill plays well in the future I will compliment him. I just haven't SEEN enough that makes believe he is a good football player worthy of a roster spot with the Jets.

This is his 3rd year....and if he doesn't start SHOWING he is productive then other WR's will start getting his opportunities....This is how it works

a57se
a57se

@bradysucks 

I agree with you about Hill's production not being very good. 

You just attribute all of that to Hill sucking while I do not.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Hill has had some good games and I compliment him every time he does

I just don't REWARD bad behavior

57 - you are in LOVE with Hill......but you are delusional because you dream of what YOU HOPE he can be........instead of looking at what he IS

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks Does how Vlad played his rookie year have any relevance to the player he is today? 


He was a terrible NFL player as a rookie. He is no longer a terrible NFL player. You're just plotting his improvement by bringing up his past. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

How many games did Vlad start in 3 years with the Jets?

He was a back up....and inconsistent

a57se
a57se

@bradysucks 

You were on Hill's jock strap his rookie season when he dropped a pass against NE...........you haven't stopped since. I have never once seen a bradysucks post saying you were rooting for Hill.

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks I don't get why you keep mentioning Vlad, who was a solid starter. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

And I have no problem admitting I was wrong about a player when I am wrong...

I never liked Sanchez, Vlad, or Hill. I hated the draft picks and thought they were all over drafted. I have rooted for all of these players anyway but unlike you I have my limits and don't think players should get endless opportunities when they are unproductive or if they can be upgraded with another player

I want what is best for the Jets.....and I want the Jets to put the best players on the field... And if we can upgrade at a position I want the Jets to do so....and I don't feel bad about saying that a player 3 to 4 years into his career should be productive and good at his job

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks You just listed two guys on NFL rosters (not sure why, but you did). 


White is not in the NFL. I brought him up to show your bias at work, you will defend "your guy" to the bitter end, but have no problem dragging someone through the dirt if you prematurely decide they stink. 


And Jordan White has 1 career catch for 13 yards. Stop with the hyperbole, it just makes your point look even worse than it already is. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

I was wrong about White (a 7th round pick I rooted for)

And.....

The Jets cut White (a 7th round pick) after less than one year!!!!

This is year 3 for Hill and he's been about as productive as White!!!!

a57se
a57se

@jetlife @a57se 

If it was agreed upon? Of Course! Even if it wasn't, I wouldn't hold the guy to it...........

a57se
a57se

@jetlife @a57se 

you don't have the friends standing rule that all bets made when drunk don't count?

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@bradysucks Give the guy the break, his first 2 seasons he has been learning how to play wide receiver because his college team didn't go to the air that much, and he's been plagued by injuries, he said he worked on his leg strength and on route running over the offseason, let's give the guy another chance, I believe this will be the year he breaks out if he will, if not then I'm not sure if he could.

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@bradysucks Dang you mentioned Blair Thomas, you brought me back to when I was pissed every time they showed him on the sidelines with his fur coat, just chillin.

jetsfan14
jetsfan14

@BDarc23 @bradysucks I doubt they'd take Hill over Nelson if they had to make the choice today. But they will almost certainly take one over the other by the end of training camp.


I also don't think they care where they drafted a receiver. If any of the 3 receivers they drafted look more promising than Hill during camp, they won't hesitate a minute to cut Hill.

jetsfan14
jetsfan14

@boomer @Marcus Armstrong @bradysucks @Ceifus Hornswoggle @Brendan Boomer, I truly, honestly hope you are right. There were games (usually against Buffalo) when Hill looked like he was going to be a star. And then he would literally disappear for 2 or 3 games at a stretch. Now we are hearing about what a great off-season of training he has had--he's bigger, stronger, more mature. I hope it is true. 


He'll undoubtedly get a shot in OTA's and training camp--but if he doesn't look like he has turned it around, I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a training camp casualty at the final cut. Like you, I can accept that there is still hope for him--after all, he was always considered a project, and he was set back by injuries. But, man, is it getting late in the game for excuses. It is definitely put up or shut up time.

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@bradysucks When do I value potential over production?


Jalen Saunders has no NFL production. 


I'm saying IF Hill can learn the football skills, he'll be a better player than Saunders is capable of being. That's all. That's what upside means. I'm not saying Hill should start over Saunders. I'm not saying Hill will reach his potential. Just that it's there, and so, as a Jets fan, you should be rooting for him to achieve it.

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks Shall we go back and pull out every good WR that was big? That list is much, much longer. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

Wes Welker and Wayne Chrebet have had much better careers than hundreds of NFL receivers over 6 foot 2....

Hill is 6 foot 5 - so what? Doesn't matter a bit if he isn't being a productive player

You seem to value the potential more than the production

Jalen Saunders will be more productive than Stephen Hill if they are both given the same number of targets (in my opinion )

This is because Saunders runs better routes and has better hands

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@bradysucks When have I ever said that Stephen Hill is destined to be a productive player? My ONLY claim here has been that IF Hill can get the football skills down, he'll be a better receiver than Saunders, simply because he has the size and athletic ability to be better.


Hill has the chance to improve on his skills. Jalen isn't going to be 6'5", ever.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Marcus

Has it occurred to you that there is a possibility that Hill has zero upside?

Ryan Leaf

Jamarcus Russell

Johnny Lam Jones

Blair Thomas

Etc.

Plenty of guys NEVER reach their potential....sad (yet true)

To say Stephen Hill is destined to be a more productive player than a Jalen Saunders is naive and foolish....you'd have said the same thing about Chrebet or Welker early in their careers ( and you'd be wrong)

Production

Production

Production

Potential is (fool's gold)

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@bradysucks That doesn't make sense, though. He has better upside than Jalen Saunders. He just does. If Hill can win the job, that's what's best for the team.

bradysucks
bradysucks

No Marcus that is not what I said

If Hill wins a job I will be rooting for him against other teams. I haven't bought into the upside with Stephen Hill (like so many others). I will be rooting for the rookies to beat out Hill in camp because I think that is what is best for the future of the NY Jets.. ...

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks


David Clowney is not more physically gifted than Wes Welker. He's faster and more explosive, there's a big difference. One of the reasons Welker is so good is his ability to stop on a dime and create space to make a catch, something Clowney can't do. Welker has world class body control in this regard, something few people on the planet possess (he would've made a great soccer player, I think). 


Boldin is just a different type of athlete to Hill. Hill is all flash, straightline speed and explosiveness. Boldin is just a different sort of athlete. He's more stout, stronger and more agile. 


You're boiling things down too narrowly, and even then you're not entirely accurate. 


Your personal vendetta against Hill is just embarrassing sometimes, man. You being right about guys in the past does not mean you're right about Hill. Root for him, he's on the Jets. 

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@bradysucks That's now what you're saying, though. You're saying that you don't WANT him to improve and become that complete football player. You're rooting against him. That's not cool.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Because I understand football

David Clowney is more physically gifted than Wes Welker (and younger).

Guess which one I want on my football team?

Hill being physically gifted doesn't make him a football player!!!! Anquan Boldin is not as physically gifted as Stephen Hill....but he's a better football player

I think our rookies are all better football players than Hill

Let Hill prove me wrong....if he can then it is fine by me

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Marcus Armstrong 

Yeah because rookies drafted in the fourth round will never have any problems transitioning to the NFL.

a57se
a57se

@bradysucks 

You are being just as obtuse as you were with Sanchez all those years.........you also have no gonads since you won't back up your mouth with your wallet.

I'm done with you.

Bytor
Bytor

@bradysucks I think you may be overvaluing the competition and their capacity to learn the WCO and unseat Hill.

I agree with your Sanchez assessment fwiw.

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@bradysucks Why are you rooking for a rookie to take his roster spot? Why wouldn't you root for him to succeed? He's younger and more physically gifted than any of this year's draftees.


*this* is why people have an issue with what you're saying.

bradysucks
bradysucks

57

There is no reason to shut up about it....I don't have to agree with you about who I think is good at football.

You can root for Hill. I will be rooting for the rookies to take his roster spot.

If Hill improves then good for him. Fine with me if it helps the Jets

You are like a 2 year old with this put your money where your mouth is garbage. If Hill was productive we would not be having this debate

a57se
a57se

@bradysucks 

You are the one who won't shut up about it.......I am calling you out very clearly here. Put your money where your mouth is or shut up about it......

bradysucks
bradysucks

57

You were equally confident about Sanchez at one point in time.

Based on Hill's injury history and the amount of new competition at WR you would be crazy to make that bet (unless $1000 means nothing to you)

I think it is possible Hill makes the team. It is possible he improves. This doesn't mean he will or that the competition won't eat his lunch

Bent
Bent moderator

@BDarc23 @Bent @bradysucks No idea if it's true, that's why I was careful to say reportedly. 


I agree with the comment that them not getting a receiver sooner could be seen as a vote of confidence in Hill, but if the Lee report is true then maybe this approach was more of a plan B.

Bytor
Bytor

@bradysucks But the opportunities are somewhat endless BS. Why do think guys like Gates get opps.? For cryin' out loud we gave Vernon every opp to succeed.

a57se
a57se

@bradysucks 

Then put your money where your mouth is or shut up about it!

Bytor
Bytor

@Bent @BDarc23 @bradysucks "reportedly". Also remember that Hill is only 7 months older than Marqise Lee right now. It's silly to think that a rookie will come in and unseat a physically gifted receiver that just got taller and stronger going into his third year.

Most probably judgement year for Mr. Hill. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

Exactly right Hazard!!!

The NFL is about production - period!

It isn't a league that gives guys 4 and 5 year auditions to learn how to play football when those guys contribute absolutely nothing on special teams

Hill can go to Canada or the Arena League where they can teach him how to play football....

Maybe the guy finally starts producing this year and proves himself.....but those people who think the NFL is a league of endless opportunities for guys who don't contribute on special teams (like Hill) are misinformed

BDarc23
BDarc23

@Bent @BDarc23 @bradysucks Do we really know that this is true?  We've heard lots of BS rumors throughout the offseason about Jets targets.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@bradysucks It's possible that the 5 new guys are going to replace Hakim, Salas, Obamanu, Gates, Holmes and even Nelson

Bent
Bent moderator

@BDarc23 @bradysucks "I actually thought that the fact the Jets waited to take a WR said that they had some confidence in Hill."


Don't forget they reportedly tried desperately to move up for Lee.

a57se
a57se

@bradysucks 

Are you willing to put your money where your MOUTH is?

I will wager you $1000 that Hill DOES NOT get cut by the Jets at the end of training camp when we cut down to 53 players.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@bradysucks


The honeymoon is definitely over for Hill.  Forget the size, speed and potential.   Forget the excuses.   He either produces this camp and preseason or his spot will be taken by someone else.   


They haven't given up on Hill...yet...but the clock on it is ticking.  

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks @Marcus Armstrong @Ceifus Hornswoggle @Brendan "You can sing Hill's praises all you like.....heard it with Sanchez....heard it with Vlad.....Hill is going to be lucky if he even gets a roster spot"


Yes and we heard THAT with Gholston, Vlad, etc ... but they always DID get a roster spot and saw their role increase year on year, so maybe you shouldn't rule it out.

dgdg
dgdg

@bradysucks I don't think they will give up on Hill just yet.  Depends on whether he has progressed.  That said, he was open on a lot of plays last year but never got thrown too.  There's probably a reason for that.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Hill's production has been non existent ....so you think he is guaranteed to start?

A GM doesn't add 5 wide receivers through the draft and free agency if he is happy with the current receivers on the roster

bradysucks
bradysucks

Idzik didn't draft Hill

Rex didn't want to draft Hill

Hill has had terrible production

Hill has never been able to stay healthy

Hill isn't a good route runner and has questionable hands

The Jets added 5 wide receivers this offseason

Your Conclusion - HILL WILL START

Boy would that be funny....

Even if he does start he is done if he doesn't start producing

NFL is about production - period

Bytor
Bytor

@bradysucks You might be mildly disappointed when Hill starts opposite Decker. I just don't see any of the rookies beating him out if he's healthy.

I'm also not delusional to think this isn't a big year for him. He's gotta put it all together or be passed on the depth chart. This includes injuries, consistency, and improving his hands catching.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@bradysucks Right but I don't think Ford or any late rd WRs are a great bet to make the team over Hill.  If they picked a WR in the 1st or 2nd then I would agree.  I would also guess that the Jets would take Hill over Nelson even though I like Nelson a lot.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Well the Jets added 5 wide receivers in the draft and free agency and they already have Nelson and Kerley.

New additions at WR....

Sanders

Evans

Enunwe

Decker

Ford

Coming Back at WR

Nelson

Kerley

- this leaves Hill and Gates and I don't think either guy is a lock

to make the team.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@bradysucks I actually thought that the fact the Jets waited to take a WR said that they had some confidence in Hill.  I agree on Vlad.

bradysucks
bradysucks

If Vlad was worth keeping the Jets would have paid him. He was certainly affordable (unlike Howard)

The Jets drafted 3 wide receivers and added Ford & Decker. This should tell you what they think of Stephen Hill after 2 years...

boomer
boomer

@Marcus Armstrong @bradysucks @Ceifus Hornswoggle @Brendan Particularly one who was openly labeled a "project" when he was drafted. If he had gone to a team with a good WR core he would have been brought along a lot more slowly.


He still has a lot of potential.  Its time to show if he can turn that into production.