Link: The pursuit of happy-ness

Just eight days ago, Woody Johnson told ESPN 98.7 that he was “pretty happy” with the way the season was going.  So it is certainly of interest that Steve Serby writes for the New York Post the following terse comment from an unnamed source who was close-by to Woody after yesterday’s loss in Charlotte.

A source described Jets owner Woody Johnson this way to The Post after Panthers 30, Jets 20:

“Not happy.”

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

I’m sure Woody isn’t all that thrilled after any loss, but if I was going to be “not happy” after any one loss dating back to the bye, it would have been loss to the Bills in Buffalo rather than this loss to one of the league’s best teams.  The DeAngelo Williams play, the punt-block and the pick-six were all unfortunate and painful in their own way, but by almost every measure, the Panthers are just a much better team and sooner or later plays like that are going to happen when two mismatched teams play.  If anything, the Jets have to be commended for holding it to 16-13 well into the fourth quarter.

Just like last night’s season finale of Homeland, you had to see how this Panthers game was going to end from miles away.  But we understand why such a loss is disheartening and takes away any carrot that the Jets players might have been vainly chasing.  Even so, now with the benefit of hindsight it was that Bills loss that really did in the team’s second half relevance.

Why did the Jets lose that game?  Geno Smith had four turnovers in the game and Da’Norris Searcy’s  pick-six pushed Geno to the bench in favor of Matt Simms.

Geno Smith by the way has tallied five pick-sixes and is is now tied for third (along with 11 others) all time among the total number of pick-sixes in one season.  I’m not looking to make anyone a scapegoat, but to explain that in the current pass-driven NFL, if the quarterback spot can’t play well, then pretty much everything else is going to suffer.  Geno won’t win any awards for his play Sunday, but it was markedly better against a good team … no small feat.

Woody might not be happy with the result of yesterday’s game, but if winning against the Panthers was the fool’s errand that the team’s owner set forth for Rex Ryan to keep his job as Serby seems to suggest, then maybe this team has bigger problems than just who the coach is or isn’t.




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karlhungus
karlhungus

I think they would be an instant contender with a Schaub or a Palmer, a real LG and any type of playmaker at TE or WR... This is all on the QB. All of it. The run game becomes deadly with the threat of a pass and the passing game gets better when they have a qb that can execute....


They have to find a QB, put Geno on the bench, go get a vet QB and draft another one. Simms is nothing more than a backup in this league, and Mark isn't even that... Not sure geno is any better than mark at this point...


This team will continue to be average until we get competent play at the QB spot.

I think Rex has done an excellent job keeping this team together and fighting when they go in to battle against tanks with empty water pistols every week...... I want to keep Rex, get better players on O and a freaking QB that wont poop the bed every time there is pressure on him.


ww85
ww85

Anybody here think the Jets should look at Cousins & offer a pretty high #2 for him?  I'm in favor of that.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

"sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you"


There's really was no expectation that the Jets would eat the bear yesterday., so now that even the most glassy eye'd Jets fan knows the season is over if the Ravens win tonight let's get real.


1. If the Jets are eliminated tonight they can play Geno and the rest of their draft picks the last two games to see what they have prior to the draft. Opps, that's what they've been doing all season which means that the Jets have it in reverse. They play the draft picks even if they don't earn it when the season counts, while other teams wait till the seasons essentially over. The only draftee definitely earning playing time was Richardson with Bohanon is distant second.


2. So what did we learn about Geno this year besides that he is not ready to be a bonafide NFL starter no matter how convoluted the game plan is to help him avoid mistakes? If the Jets had a legit starting QB, how many games would he have been in before he earned it? 


3. I agree with Westofff and all his football experience when he said "The Jets should draft a QB b/c if you don;t have a proven starter, you don't have a QB." Since no one knows what Geno will eventually be, the team must draft a QB to protect it's interests. Only an imbecile drafts on hope. Therefore, Idzik must prove himself this off-season.


4. This off-season must be dedicated to acquiring offensive talent even if Rex has to be gagged and put in a closet during the draft (assuming he stays, of course).


5. If the Seahawks can develop talent why can't the Jets? 8 of 11 D starters for the Seahawks where drafted in the 3rd or later rounds and they have a monster D. The Jets in comparison had to pull their #1, Milliner 3-4 times for under-performing, so what's wrong with this picture? If Idzik is going to improve our personnel he must determine the root cause and fire the clueless.


6. I want Rex to return, but only if he becomes less player friendly and more results driven. This is not supposed to be a hobby or a retirement home for friends. He can't get his team ready to play after the Bye b/c he lacks the ability to refocus the team on the goal of winning. That's Rex in a nutshell: too warm and fuzzy, not goal driven. If Woody-Idzik keeps him, they must stay on Rex to instill fear in under-performing players.


7. Lots of blame goes to Woody who should require Idzik to only play guys who earn it and not base playing time on draft position. Woody must also demand that Rex stay focused on winning and become more strict on under-performers. It's unfair to the hard workers & the good core we have, to make excuses and let mistake-prone guys lose games. Draftees are not on scholarship. The whole organization needs accountability as its standard.

downfield
downfield

Its funny because when the Jets looked the part of a contender after a lot of people had them only winning three games it was "Of course the naysayers were wrong. Look at this team, it has a lot of talent and is going places!" Now that Jets have played like they were predicted to play its "Look at what this team did with the little it had, be happy if the year concludes with six wins  and give Rex the credit"


I'm tired of being happy with being mediocre. I'm tired of the notion that we "should" or "need" to see what Rex is like with a real QB. When will that be? If we should keep Rex and not perhaps hire a coach with an affinity for offense and desire to develop a QB should we then fire GM's every year or every other year until we get one who knows talent well enough to draft Rex a "real" QB? And Rex isn't going anywhere by the way. Woody Johnson is the head of the Rex Ryan fan club (as he should be) but this idea that Rex is or should be untouchable on the path to getting this franchise on a consistent winning foot is silly. As a very competent football DC he should be able to game plan his team to six wins. 


IF Rex goes, which he won't, I wouldn't bleed for him. If he stays I wouldn't be upset. But I can't keep watching a mediocre-awful team and then concluding that the HC has NOTHING to do with that. When the Jets win Rex is an HC when they lose he is the DC. He can't get credit for the wins but shoulder no blame for the loses. 

ww85
ww85

Just give Rex an average middle of the road QB, someone like Jake Locker, Andy Dalton, Case Keenum. Someone who ranks close to neutral by PFF. Would like to see an average QB with Rex. Instead we get QBs ranked at the very bottom every year. It's just too much to overcome. Despite that, we've been in playoff contention until December most years under Rex

bob
bob

Awe no!


how about a peanut butter sandwich that all ways seems to cheer me up.

a57se
a57se

@Hanknaples Yeah, right and I am in line to make the Jets 2014 draft Picks.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@karlhungusGeno is not better than Sanchez at this point, he' worse but a lot younger and raw. I wish this organization would quit blowing smoke at the fans. It might be a splash of cold water in the face, but at least it'd let us know that the powers-that-be are capable of making a clear assessment of the current team. That's the first step in solving a problem; recognizing what's wrong so you can fix it.

ken1010
ken1010

@karlhungus Just get some wide receivers that can separate from coverage and catch the ball.  Kerley is the only one who should be back.  


I think Geno has no time or targets, and no QB would do well in this offense, except maybe Breese, Brady, Payton, who would do well anywhere.  We ought to have an offense that can be run by any above-average QB.  We need to draft offense in the first few rounds next year, and sign some free agents.

a57se
a57se

@ww85 

Kirk Cousins wasn't worth the 4th round pick Washington used to get him.

Bytor
Bytor

@ww85 With all the RGIII turmoil I don't think Wash will trade him. If they would I wouldn't trade anything but one of our extra picks. Otherwise draft our own Cousins.

a57se
a57se

@frustjetfn 

1. Agreed except Bohanon is probably worse then Hilliard was......and that ain't saying much.


2. Yes.


3. Yes the Jets should be targeting a QB at ANY point in the draft.


4. Yes, we need to draft at least 2 WR's, a RB, a QB and a TE. and these picks should come from the top six picks we have in the draft.


5. The Jets have very little depth because of the ALL IN strategy of the past 4 years, it will take time to develop.....


6. I don't know about Rex anymore but other then lovie Smith (and he is a Question mark to me) what is out there?


7. Woody doesn't make decisions on who plays or how the team is built. If you want to blame him for something, blame him for the management guys he hires. that is where his imprint is felt.

__fense
__fense

@frustjetfn The only thing worse than drafting on hope is reaching for positions. If there's better players than the best QB available during your picks, you pick the other guy or you try to trade down to get the QB when he's the best available. Use FA to get needs on offense, and get the most talent you can out of the draft. Hope that those guys happen to fill holes on the team, but if it doesn't happen, you can't throw away draft picks by reaching for players. I do agree that if you like a QB where you're picking, you don't let a QB on the roster stop you from getting him. If Geno becomes great, then you can trade away the other guys, and if he doesn't, you already have other chances. 

bharper42
bharper42

@ww85 


and why doesn't rex get the blame for that?  He's the HC he has to start developing these guys.  He can develop DL but can't get the qb better?  He's on his 3rd OC, 2nd GM, 2nd qb.  sometime he has to be looked at as well.


When steve young, gannon, and others are saying the HC can't be so myopicly focused on just the defense in an offensive driven league you know something is wrong.


he just doesn't get it.


I hope he gets what he deserves, a DC position somewhere else.

Bytor
Bytor

@ww85 That's the trick that's hardest to pull off. Do you patiently develop your own qb or trade for one or sign one via free agency? All answers have their own issues as this season showed. We got Garrard and that didn't work out. We drafted Geno and so far that hasn't worked out. Do we be patient with Geno? Draft another? Sign a free agent? We have a long time to hash this out, hopefully with intelligent poster such as yourself and not some of the recent riffraff.

ww85
ww85

@jaym This is from December 3, even before the Raider game. Are you kidding me?

ww85
ww85

@a57se @ww85 Considering that they are going to get a 2nd rounder for him, I'd say it was a pretty good pick.

ww85
ww85

@ny12jets @ww85 I would have agreed with looking at Schaub a year ago, but he looks horrible now.

a57se
a57se

@Bytor@ww85 

The only 'extra' pick we could trade is the Third round pick we are getting from TB if Revis remains on their roster.


ken1010
ken1010

@__fense @frustjetfn Agree to a point.  They need to draft offense next year.  One more great defensive lineman won't make us a contender.

ww85
ww85

@bharper42 @ww85 He does deserve blame, but I believe Rex is an excellent HC under the right conditions(when he's not picking QBs). The GM should just work on the QB & let Rex deal with the talent he's given. 

ww85
ww85

@Bytor @ww85 We need to bring in someone else & draft someone. Sort of follow the Seahawks: Flynn vs Wilson, etc. Let's trade #2 for Cousins & maybe draft another one 3rd-4th rd. It seems like Idzik wont allow Simms to compete, so let Geno vs Cousins vs Draftee battle to start. Hopefully, all of that produces average Joe NFL QB

jaym
jaym

@ww85 So it is more about what Rex has done for this team and what he has had to work with.

a57se
a57se

@ww85@a57se 

OK, let me know when the Gordon trade happens as well!

ww85
ww85

@a57se @ww85 Like I said, I'll remember this conversation. When the deal happens, we'll see how you react.  You've insulted me so many times on here(I've lost count), The Jets sniffed around for Gordon--I never said they did more than that. I never spoke about Gholston when we drafted him(I thought he was a fine pick at the time). You generalize about others all the time, you have put words in my mouth over & over. I say the OL is weak & WRs suck & you say I love Geno, All this crap from you over & over.  


I've been wrong many times on here & always eat crow publicly. I thought Ed Reed was a horrible signing & I thought Rex would NEVER do it, but I admitted pretty fast how wrong I was about Rex taking him

a57se
a57se

@ww85@a57se

" You will doubt everything that doesn't agree with you"

That is just a stupid statement. I doubt most of the crap that is speculated about on the NFL Network, ESPN and every other news outlet and Blog that speculates about crap that they have NO DIRECT KNOWLEDGE of.....

It is people like you who take this crap to heart and spend weeks blabbing on and on about this nonsense as if it is a fact that doesn't agree with me.

I'm sure you will forget about this once it doesn't happen but you won't stop talking about it for the next 5 months.........that is the sad part.

There are still people who show up here on occasion who think Tebow was hosed by the Jets (per the Media),

people who think we could have traded for Gordon (more media speculation), who think we should have signed Peyton Manning (he didn't want to come here but try telling them that), people who think Vernon Gholston was only picked by us because of his combine testing (a bunch of crap as he lead college football in sacks his last year) as well as people who think we didn't go to the moon but actually faked it in some Hollywood studio, people who think the earth is flat and people who think Elvis is really still alive.


ww85
ww85

@a57se @ww85 You will doubt everything that doesn't agree with you, so it doesn't surprise me.I'm sure you would have said no team would pay millions for Flynn based on 1 start as well. There's lots of QB needy teams. Like I said, let's remember this conversation as you're always so arrogant to others about this stuff.

a57se
a57se

@ww85@a57se 

The NFL Network also reported that Tim Tebow  would be the Jets starter by game 6 last year.......

it sounds like the Redskins are floating rumors to try and get someone to bite.

Geno played better against Atlanta then Cousins did, maybe we can get a 1 for him!

ww85
ww85

@a57se It's all over NFLNETWork. This was even before Sunday. It's going to happen. We can debate if he's actually worth it. But he's the flavor of the month just like Flynn last year.

a57se
a57se

@ww85@a57se 

What about his turnovers?

Who has reported anything about GM's sniffing around the Skins?


ww85
ww85

@a57se @ww85 Let's remember this conversation. it's been pretty well publicized that GMs are already sniffing around to see if Washington will take a 2nd rounder for him. Everything depends on his next 2 games. If he keeps playing like Sunday: 29-45 381 3TDs they may hold out for more. Who knows they may like him so much that they unload RG3 instead.  They are playing him to create trade value. Worst case 3rd rounder for him, but a 2 looks like a sure thing now.

a57se
a57se

@ww85@a57se 

Oh really? Tell us who is trading a second round pick to the Redskins for Cousins?

ny12jets
ny12jets

@ww85@ny12jetsDo you think it is a career change in him or just a one year thing?  He's only 32, life time 90+ rated passer.  Geno can be groomed behind him.  More of a sure think than Couples.

Bytor
Bytor

@a57se @Bytor @ww85 And that's the pick I would use on our own high upside qb that sits behind Geno and the free agent starter.

ww85
ww85

@a57se @Bytor @ww85 I'm amazed TB didnt try to trade Revis when they were like 0-6 when they could have gotten value for him. I don't see any way they release him at this point.

ww85
ww85

@Bytor @ww85 @a57se I think Simms deserves a chance, but if Idzik hates him, then there's no point in keeping him. How he likes Garrard more than Simms is unreal.

Bytor
Bytor

@ww85 @a57se @Bytor Bringing back Garrard's corpse while we have some $ to spend is asinine. I hope they move in another direction. And that means moving on from Simms as well.

a57se
a57se

@ww85@Bytor 

Up until a couple games this year Hill was considered abetter QB then McCown. 

Go look at Hill filling in for an injured Stafford and you will see a decent QB........at 34 he is ten times better then Cousins or Geno and would be a good stopgap for any team looking to develop a QB while still being competitive.

Unfortunately, that does not sound like Idziks' plan as the Jets already talked to Garrard about returning next season. That would indicate the Jets are sticking with.........GENO!

ww85
ww85

@Bytor @ww85 I think Cousins is in the same category. The good thing about Mccown & Cutler for that matter is they will both probably be UFAs. I doubt Cutler would play with our total lack of WRs. Mccown will have other options as well. But yeah, I'd make a play for either of them. Hill? Really?

Bytor
Bytor

@ww85 @Bytor I really think they need to bring in a veteran such as Josh McCown or Shaun Hill. Your depth chart is:

McCown/Hill

Geno Smith

Draft Pick

I know you have to work the draft but I'd focus on drafting offense like wr, te, rb.

__fense
__fense

@ww85 @Bytor I don't like that plan. That's 3 high round picks in 2 years to get one guy, who won't be a sure thing. Unless we're going to carry 3-4 QBs all season, we'll be spending draft picks for nothing. With the CBA and the new rookie wage scale, draft picks are far more valuable than cap space. If we absolutely need to get a veteran QB (and I'm not sure we do), get a guy that we can pay in FA, or trade an older player for one.