Link: The Voice of Reason?

Over at ESPN, Rich Cimini shares his views on the Jets’ approach to free agency so far, in light of the fact that cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie’s decision to sign with the Jets’ cross town rivals leaves them without a bona fide starter to pair with Dee Milliner (for the time being):

Now, suddenly, there’s a hysterical over-reaction, with some people floating the conspiracy theory that Jets general manager John Idzik is sabotaging Ryan because he never wanted to extend his contract in the first place and wants to fire him after the 2014 season. That’s ridiculous. Idzik is operating from a long-term plan, and he refuses to deviate from the script. He won’t be swayed by the fickle nature of the free-agent market and the whims of his fan base.

There’s no question there is plenty of concern and consternation among the Jets’ fanbase and Cimini does acknowledge that there will be good reason to be concerned if they can’t find a way to address the need, due to the importance of the cornerback position in head coach Rex Ryan’s defense.

Bent, TheJetsBlog.com

While not usually the first person Jets fans would expect to be the voice of reason, Cimini does make some good points here, while still maintaining some balance. However, it’s worth noting that when Ryan was the defensive coordinator in Baltimore, the Ravens rarely, if ever, had elite or high-priced talent at the cornerback positions, so I would expect Ryan to be adaptable enough to cope without that.

The obvious counter-argument to that is that the Jets don’t have the likes of Ed Reed and Ray Lewis in their prime. However, let’s not forget that this defense does already have plenty of talent that will be expensive to keep on the roster down the road.

In addition, an article I wrote back when we were discussing how the Jets would replace the injured Darrelle Revis in 2012 is well worth revisiting. Within there are two examples of how Ryan overcame the loss of both Reed and Lewis in 2005 and a series of injuries at the cornerback position in 2007, together with some other examples of him overcoming personnel losses.

We sense your restlessness though, so there will be more of our thoughts on the signing period so far to follow…




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metjetnet
metjetnet

(miketaliaferro) There's a name for what Manish Mehta has unleashed on the world, and on NYC in particular... 

It's called Hysteria.

Carlos Jimenez
Carlos Jimenez

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Logan
Logan

jeeze every year it's always something with jet fans..probably the most self-absorbed fanbase in the league..go tell the cleveland browns or kansas city chiefs fans how difficult it is being a jet fan.


at least show some football iq every once in a while instead of posing for the camera & being 'that typical jet fan' on draft day

Paul Samuels
Paul Samuels

Can anybody tell me what percentage of CB and S contracts over 8 million per year where that player actually lived up to the full life of the deal? Like positive  grades over the life of the deal. 

Jeff E. Guy
Jeff E. Guy

Bent's usually the one who makes it all better .... but not this time. From my perspective the gap between the Pats and Jets is WIDENING not narrowing. I'm not saying Idjit had to blow his entire wad in the first 24 hours but you can't tread water while the Pats are adding talent. 

dabronx
dabronx

Why are plenty of analysts saying that Giacomini is not as good as Howard? PFF has Breno ranked a little higher. 

dabronx
dabronx

DJax cap number for 2014 is 12.75M.... dang!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

McGeorge
McGeorge

The Jets are doomed.


Idzik didn't way overpay Jarius Byrd.

He didn't throw mega bucks at aging pass rushers like Jared Allen, Demarcus War, and others.

The only move he made was addressing the Jets #1 need - wide receiver - by signing the best one available in the drat - to a team friendly contract.

He didn't over pay DRC - lets see if the Giants get their moneys worth, I'm not counting on it.


Maybe he picks up a  few more bits and pieces.


He has a large salary cap surplus that he can roll over to next tear, and use it then.


What I really want out of Idzik is a good draft.  Get a reasonable #1 receiver, and an OL or two. Plus a couple of LBs, a safety, and a corner back.  Another running back would be good too.


No QB picks this year, address other needs, give Geno a fair chance this year.

will898
will898

Trade a 4th for DJax. Sign Cro, Colon and Reed. The you can relax and go BPA during the whole draft.

koala
koala

Bent I am not sure if you'd ever get time to look into this but I'd love to read something looking at some scenario planning for the jets over next couple of years and maybe also analysing value of different positions with respect to cap space etc under the new CBA and projected salary cap levels etc


Basically I think that when a new CBA comes in, some teams work value out faster than others. The NBA is a good example of this. They brought in a new CBA with things like an amnesty clause and one of the upshots was that draft picks were more attractive than they used to be and I think expiring contracts not as valuable as previously, and some teams worked this out quickly, and others like the Knicks had/have no idea (trading draft picks for a high salaried player like Bargnani instead of receiving them being the most egregious example)


SackDance has some interesting things to say about relative value below and by and large I agree with his line of thinking. You probably dont want to spend up in FA for pass rushers, CBs and WRs (to a lesser extent, because my sense is that rookie WRs arent as productive/predictable in year 1 and 2 in comparison to blue chip defensive rookies) as the value in the draft is much better, or the value for lower tier FAs is much better. On the flip side it seems every year you can get a starter quality OG for close to the vet minimum 


I'd love to see some scenario planning where we mock drafted certain positions (dont need names) in 2014, plugged Willie Colon and a cheap veteran CB in, then rolled forward to the next year or 2 assuming we extend Wilkshake, Coples, Harrison etc and saw how the jets were positioned. 


I imagine this is really hard to do but is probably exactly the sort of thing Idzik is doing, and people might have a better appreciation of his approach in FA if we were looking at the same tradeoffs that he was instead of just looking as what the impact is in 2014 

kniff
kniff

I took a nice breather, and am feeling much better about our whole thing today. Many rookies hit a nice stride in their second year, and I am willing to keep the faith with us making some impressive draft pics this May, with perhaps three of them being remarkable in our eyes, come December...

t__k
t__k

DJax, Decker, Kerley, Cumberland and a guy like Ebron or Amaro would be sickkkk.  Throw in that guy Moncrief or whatever his name is and you got an offense.

MoSacks MoSnacks
MoSacks MoSnacks

Yeah, I doubt Idzik pulls off the Jackson trade. The plan, his plan, whether we fans like it or not, is to build through the draft, and then assumedly spend big in FA when we are 1 or 2 pieces away. This approach is completely different than we have seen in the past, almost decade, from Jets management. If we want to win and build an empire, I say we give it a shot. Is it guaranteed to work? No, but it has worked for other teams (such as the Seahawks), and it very well may pan out.

Scott Berger-Felder
Scott Berger-Felder

Idzik has no plan. people talking about he's following his plan. What is it? building through the draft would mean that your finding good players late in the draft!!!! well his late round picks from last year either didnt make the team or were trash like wynters!!

buddyryan
buddyryan

Looks that way on March 18th, but we're still more than 6 weeks way from the draft...so relax...still a long off season

Paul Samuels
Paul Samuels

@Jeff E. Guy  Oh yeah? Tell me how Brandon LaFell is going to win the Pats a title... Why panic over the GM not signing players to inflated contracts? 

Jeff E. Guy
Jeff E. Guy

@dabronx  Does that ranking include penalties? Giacomini likes yellow flags -- or drive killers as I like to call them. 

Paul Samuels
Paul Samuels

@dabronx  Because he signed with the Jets, plus Howard's name is easier on the ears. lol 

Paul Samuels
Paul Samuels

@McGeorge  That seems to be the plan. It appears that Colon is coming back, and, MJD and the Jets have "mutual interest". He is setting himself up for a great draft. Idzik realizes that championship teams build through great scouting, not shelling out the most money. The only signing that I am disappointed about is James Jones, but it's not devastating. I guess people on here really hate a GM that believes in developing the players already on the roster. The Jets will be fine, and Idzik must stick to the plan and not panic or go crazy after an 8-8 season. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@koala  Good idea.  After the draft would probably be a good time to take stock.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@j3tsfan29  I like the article but 6 of there 11 starters on defense were drafted from  the 5th round and beyond (2 in 5th round, 1 in the 6th, 1 in the 7th and 2 were undrafted free agents). I wonder how common this is. I'm going to do some research but it seems that they may have been very lucky to have those players pan out. I could be wrong though, let me check it out. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@j3tsfan29      Nice link,  just facts.    It probably explains why Idzik isn't panicked at the idea of over paying somebody in his mind.  I'm sure he's more confident in drafting players than Tannenbaum was.   

Brendan
Brendan

@Scott Berger-Felder  His plan is years-long (from what we've been told).


If Geno, Milliner and Winters continue progressing, you'll have 3 solid-or-better starters, plus the Boss Hogg who is already elite. It's way too early to start saying who will or won't turn into something. Except Richardson, since we can already say he's a beast. 


I, like most Jets fans, would've liked some more signings, but I understand the logic behind now spending unnecessary cap space in the future trying to chase wins. The team is improving internally, Rex can coach them up, I think right now this team is at-worst the same level it was last year (assuming Colon gets resigned). Let the post-draft and later cuts happen, plus the double-digit draft haul. 


As it stands the team can push for a playoff spot without the draft, if they hit a couple picks this year they could make some noise. Not ideal, but it's not a failure. 

j3tsfan29
j3tsfan29

Maybe not the right answer but after looking and reading his article it makes sense. I'd even say that it looks like this is exactly what idziks doing.

Joan Israel
Joan Israel

@Brendan @Scott Berger-Felder 

It's often forgotten that Idzik was part of the front office with Seattle, and basically started with a bottom-rung roster. I'll presume he's operating in a similar fashion as he observed with the Seahawks, and guess what? A Super Bowl 5, 6 years later.

Idzik knows what he's doing.

As for fans? Alot of them think they could run a front office better than Idzik. They couldn't

Jim Israel

Scott Berger-Felder
Scott Berger-Felder

@Brendan @Scott Berger-Felder  Winters was really bad last year though. Milner and richardson will be fine of course. but he has really failed with the late picks, and thats where you have to find talent if your plan is to build through the draft.

Paul Samuels
Paul Samuels

@Jeff E. Guy @Paul Samuels  Browner is not that great of a CB. Plus, he is suspended for the first four games. They will be tough to beat, but I don't think that they got THAT much better. 

Jeff E. Guy
Jeff E. Guy

@Paul Samuels  ... and they also signed Browner. Meanwhile the Jets cut Cromartie and replaced him with air. 

a57se
a57se

@j3tsfan29  

It makes sense only because he simplifies it down to what they have now...he doesn't take you through the whole process of how they got to where they are.........

Bent
Bent moderator

@Scott Berger-Felder @Brendan  Winters was awful all year and then the lightbulb went on for him over the last few games.  He was still pretty inconsistent, but I'm not as ready to write him off as I would have been with three more bad games (or a season ending benching).

Brendan
Brendan

@Scott Berger-Felder Winters can go either way. Aboushi/Campbell were projects. Tommy Bo is meh. As is always the case, the QB can make the GM look like a genius or a dope. 


It's too early to say they've failed with the late picks, but the picks weren't immediate-impact players. You hope for at least one of those in a draft if you're a draft-oriented team, but the odds are low. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se@brendan 

I think I am going to write a song.

The Title will be "I am a Mulatto in a world of Black and White!"

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @a57se  I had my inside leg aggressively measured once.  I needed therapy for months.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Yeah, I guess the world is just full of Black and White people......

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @brendan  


Nobody responded "somewhere in between" but nothing was stopping them from doing so.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I mean, can you really be desperately value-driven? Or aggressively measured? 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @brendan  He wasn't quoted - sources claimed that he would be aggressive.


At the time I said this:


"Do Jets fans really want desperate and aggressive over measured and value-driven?"


...and most people voted for the latter.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

It was a while ago, before Free Agency started...maybe during his Combine Presser....I don't remember....

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Not saying you're wrong, but is there anything more substantial behind the "aggressive" claim than Manish's article? 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Did he actually say that? That obviously isn't true.