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Mike Goodson a no-show at Jets Minicamp

2:21 p.m.: Mike Goodson‘s agent weighed in on his client’s no-show at Jets Minicamp, saying “Mike must be accountable and responsible for his own actions, and comprehend not only effective communication, but simple communication” (Cimini, June 17).


RB Mike Goodson, who is rehabbing a knee injury and dealing with legal issues, was a no-show at Jets minicamp on Monday (Dyer, June 16).

According to a source, Goodson was the only player who failed to show up Monday,

In addition to not being present at the team’s mandatory minicamp, Goodson also failed to show up for any of the Jets’ OTA’s.

Goodson was suspended for the first four weeks of last season after being arrested on drug and weapon charges, returned in Week Five, and suffered a season-ending injury to his knee in Week Six.

With Goodson not appearing like part of the plan at the moment, the Jets will likely turn to some combination of Chris Johnson, Chris Ivory, and Bilal Powell at RB.




466 comments
ganggrncap
ganggrncap

Can anyone confirm if Goodson is still alive?


How do we know he wasnt snubbed out buy his cousin? 


Who knows if Belicheat didnt use Aaron Hernandez's connections and had him murdered?

Paul Samuels
Paul Samuels

Cut Goodson! He has been nothing but a hinderance to the team, with the exception of the Falcons game. 

marcus81
marcus81

and this surprises who? maybe he was passed out again

bob
bob

Hang in the Mike Goodson..

  Jeremiah 32:27 ..... Behold I am the Lord. the God of all flesh: is there anything to hard for me.

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

I guess you could say he's not very "Good" at showing up to mini camp on time

chicagofan
chicagofan

Some thoughts:

1.  Goodson as good as gone. 

2. Stephen Hill.  Has disappointed, but still very young.  Would give him some time. First year under Tony S - the Rich Kotite of offensive coordinators - was a waste.  Great tools.  Lets see what Hill does this year - his second under a coordinator who knows what he is doing.  I don't think he will ever dominate.  But he is capable of putting up decent numbers.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

Wow, still all this talk on Goody Goodson who is as good as gone! I hope the mail gets better, there is so much more of value to discuss on our Jets,OMABs!

Matt Ryan Hill
Matt Ryan Hill

Rumor is that Bruce Campell was trying out today with us?

williamg1
williamg1

Andre Johnson no-shows at Texans camp. With that having been said, they named Ryan Fitzpatrick the starter, so I can't blame him. 

MarshRandy
MarshRandy

@__fense noice. Have a good feeling about him for some reason. Probably just the immediate negative reactions 

__fense
__fense

That's all of 'em. 

bob
bob

@chicagofan 

I would like 2 cheese burgers a french fri and a chocolate milk. Plese . thank you

a57se
a57se

@jake100 

Like how worried you are about the secondary and the offensive line?

a57se
a57se

@williamg1 

I still believe in Hill but it is premature to believe he has turned the corner.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@williamg1

STEPHEN HILL AIN'T GOT TIME FOR PAIN!  THE ONLY PAIN HE GOT TIME FOR IS THE PAIN HE PUTS ON FOOLS WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS!

a57se
a57se

@juunit 

Wow...that was like trying to read a Pelzman tweet.....PAINFUL!

tsjc68
tsjc68

@juunit Not only do they not know how to spell, but apparently they can't hire a webmaster.  All of their links go to "503 Bad Request" or "Service Unavailable" pages.

juunit
juunit

@williamg1 

He's stuck with them through all the crap they've had at QB and just when they looked like a good team they had the worst year in the league and still didn't get a top QB prospect. I also can't blame him for wanting out in the twilight of his career. 

a57se
a57se

@williamg1 

So the alternatives in Houston would have gotten Johnson into camp?

Matt Ryan Hill
Matt Ryan Hill

@tsjc68 If we could actually coach him up into a decent reserve player that would be sooo cool.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @williamg1

So the alternatives in Houston would have gotten Johnson into camp?

No, but alternatives NOT in Houston would have gotten Johnson into camp.


I don't think Andre Johnson is upset that they picked Ryan Fitzpatrick over Tom Savage and Case Keenum.  I think Andre Johnson is upset that they picked Ryan Fitzpatrick over Michael Vick and Matt Schaub.

williamg1
williamg1

@a57se @williamg1 Not really. Just the sad reality that they're willing to name him the starter at minicamp, is basically saying, "this season doesn't count."

juunit
juunit

@Brendan @juunit 

Hasn't worked out too well for ol' Steve-o in LA. Has Steve Nash become a cautionary tale? Is he the Boogey Man, hiding under small children's beds?

a57se
a57se

@williamg1 @a57se 

He gives them a better chance to win then the other guys on their roster...if he is managed properly and doesn't have to win the game for the team, they can have a decent season with him starting.


juunit
juunit

@tsjc68 @juunit 

The hilarious part is whoever wrote that bothers to return about twice a year since they slowed down in 2004 to make another post. 

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit Possibly, but I meant it more in the sense no one gave Nash any gruff for pushing his way out of Phoenix once the franchise went in the tank and wasn't close to winning a title. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @williamg1

Based on the fact that dumping Schaub and pursuing Fitzpatrick and drafting Savage smells like a rebuilding year, while signing Vick (or keeping Schaub) would have smelled more like a "let's try to win this thing" year.


And Johnson doesn't seem to have the patience for another rebuilding year.


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“When you bring a new coach in, you go through a rebuilding process,” Johnson said. “Some people say it’s not. Some people say it’s a quick fix. Everybody has their own opinion. But I’ve been through the situation more than once.”


More than anything, Johnson made it clear the Texans’ losing has simply worn on him. Since 2003, the Texans have posted six losing seasons and only two with 10-plus wins. They went 12-4 in 2012 but collapsed last year. In all, Johnson’s only been part of two playoff wins in 11 years.


“I just look at my career. … I’ve only been to the playoffs twice. I think we’ve only had three winning seasons,” said Johnson, who at least twice last season expressed his frustration on the field during games. “I don’t think any player wants to experience that. I think over time it can become very frustrating. And this offseason has been very frustrating for me; beginning of the offseason, I should say. That’s just kind of where I’m at right now.”


http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2014/05/frustrated-andre-johnson-wonders-is-this-still-the-place-for-me/#1569101=0&23243103=0

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples It's written like some confused fool started mashing a Scottish accent and a Southern accent together. 


That's not difficult, it's just trash. 

a57se
a57se

@juunit @tsjc68 

I am pretty sure that was an actual write-up they put into this format...

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se @williamg1 

That says nothing about him being happy if the team had brought in Vick or retained Schaub.

I sympathize with Johnson but he is under contract.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @williamg1

Of course it doesn't.


What it says is "I'm unhappy with the talent level on this team and with the way the braintrust is attempting to get more of it".


It's not farfetched to think that that unhappiness is largely tied to the talent level at QB, and that if the QB talent pool was more talented, he'd be less unhappy.


Which is the point that williamg1 is making.  Andre's general unhappiness is largely tied to the fact that the guys the Texans amassed to throw passes this year are the non-murderer's row of Ryan Fitzpatrick, Case Keenum, TJ Yates, and Tom Savage.

Brendan
Brendan

@Alec Wilson *slinks away in shame* 


I even have some Scottish blood in me, I should've known better. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent I think it's gotta be someone translating it, I think a bot asked to dumb English down that far would go collapse on itself and cause a black hole on the internet. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se @williamg1 

the braintrust has been changed.

he doesn't want to deal with it....fine. The Texans have every right to let him sit and accumulate fines too.

He is being a selfish arse instead of honoring his contract.

that is his choice.

a57se
a57se

@williamg1 @a57se 

So Andre Johnson knows that the Texans can not win with Fitz as their QB?

What else does he know? Does he know more about the QB's on their roster than Bill O'brien does?.

I think Andre Johnson liked Gary Kubiak and the relaxed atmosphere he had in Houston and isn't liking what he is hearing about O'brien. I am just speculating here, but that seems to be the feeling here in Houston as well.


Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Alec Wilson


Some people do have a tendency to use "Scottish" as shorthand for "incoherent". 


I blame Rab C. Nesbitt.

williamg1
williamg1

@a57se @williamg1 When Ryan Fitzpatrick is the top choice on your roster, its not far-fetched to think their chances are slim. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @williamg1

So Andre Johnson knows that the Texans can not win with Fitz as their QB?


Does he know it?  No.


Is he highly doubtful of it?  Yeah, it looks that way.

Brendan
Brendan

@Alec Wilson I'd like to see who has a harder understanding who. Hank would speak clearly, but it'd be insane and nonsensical and it'd just devolve into madness. 

Alec Wilson
Alec Wilson

@Bent @Brendan @Alec Wilson  I've lived here all my life and you just can't understand folk from Aberdeen, and the scary thing about Rab c is that its not that far from truth in parts of Glasgow...lol


a57se
a57se

@williamg1 @a57se 

yeah some people actually do that (David Harris), others don't (Darrelle Revis).

tsjc68
tsjc68

@williamg1 @a57se Yup.


Had the team brought in Mike Vick, or traded for Kirk Cousins, or something, I bet Andre's less disgruntled.



Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Lol at you acting like David Harris sticking to a contract that overpays him is some kind of noble act. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @williamg1 In a league full of non-guaranteed contracts where the team can cut you the moment they deem you non-useful, it's hard for me to get bent out of shape about a guy holding out to force a renegotiation or a release.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @a57se I think he's probably referring to Harris letting his rookie deal play out without kicking up a fuss...although he was of course rewarded for that in his current deal.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent The whole idea of "honoring a contract" is nonsense, is my point. Harris is "honoring" a contract that overpays him. NFL teams "dishonor" contracts all the time by cutting players. So acting like Johnson is out of line is just a slanted way to view things. 


Yes, Harris played one season on his rookie deal longer than he probably could have, but he'd still have to hold out if he wanted a new deal. And if he held out 57 would then jump to call him a bunch of names and talk about his lack of honor. It's a hypocritical stance to have when teams do it constantly. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent @Brendan @a57se 

I am so happy when you respond to my comments! You actually read them and understand them!

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @williamg1

"Honor your contracts to us, while we refuse to honor our contracts to you" seems like a pretty stupid stance for a group of employees to take.


You disagree, and think that NFL players should forgo any and all negotiation leverage and just swear fealty to an ownership group who won't return any fealty to them?


Why?

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Brendan @Bent

How about the way the NFL is screwing Jimmy Graham as a RFA ?

86 receptions, over 1200 yards and 16 TD's  and being told he should not be paid the same as the best WR's.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @williamg1 And yet, that's somehow your rejoinder to our assertion that "The reason Andre Johnson is unhappy is that his QBs suck".

Brendan
Brendan

@bklyndude The guy lines up split more often than he lines up in-line. I'd love to hear the NFL's logic here. He's more WR than TE, and it's not even close in most people's opinions. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se @williamg1 

Not really, the issue about his unhappiness has nothing to do with who the QB is as far as I know .

He never said anything about the quality of QB's in Houston.

His discontent started when Kubiak was dumped and a disciplinarian like O'brien was brought in.

They have reached out to him numerous times to try and resolve the situation but he seems he!! bent on getting out of Houston.

We'll see what the team does as they do have him under contract.

The way he is going about showing his displeasure reminds me of Revis.


Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @bklyndude I have some insight here.


The NFL cites the facts that he is in meetings with the tight ends and tight ends coach, not the receivers.


In a weaker (but not irrelevant) argument, they also note that he refers to himself as a TE on his official site and twitter account.


Yes he was wide or in the slot over 2/3 of the time, but then again you would have to compare that with other tight ends historically to argue that he was significantly more of a receiver that anyone treated as a TE in the past.  2/3 is not a lot in the modern game, that's for sure.  Winslow was one of a few guys who beat that.


If Gronk's salary only pays him $8m a year and Fitzpatrick and Megatron earn like $15m+ then it's not going to be easy for Graham to say he earns closer to $15m.  If he did, Gronk is being penalized because he can block and Jimmy can't.


Interesting aside: Revis' twitter account referred to himself as the left cornerback for the NY Jets for a couple of years where he played more snaps on the right.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Brendan @bklyndude

Their logic is very simple.   

We don't want to pay you what you are really worth,  but what we deem you to be worth.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @williamg1

His discontent started when Kubiak was dumped and a disciplinarian like O'brien was brought in.


Which probably has far less to do with Andre Johnson disliking "disciplinarians" and far more to do with the Texans firing a coach and bringing in a new one, a move that almost invariably screams "rebuilding year".

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se "Not really, the issue about his unhappiness has nothing to do with who the QB is as far as I know ."


Then you don't know enough to be talking about this. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent The point about Winslow and others is legitimate, that is rather interesting. I don't think Twitter/Facebook should factor in, nor should the team's listing of a position. Usage should be the #1 deciding factor, imo. 


Is it confirmed that they don't have him sit in WR meetings, ever? With the hybrid nature of the game, it only makes sense that slotting players into certain positions when their use varies so much would eventually become an issue. I don't expect Graham to win because the NFL is the NFL, but I think he probably should. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Bent @Brendan @bklyndude

The fact that he spends time in the TE meetings should have no bearing on his overall production which is what he should be paid,  not which coaches he meets with.

The NFL has set up a system which pays by position and not by true value on the open market,  and the union has agreed to this system.  

I realize the union would love complete and true free agency and that needs to be their goal going forward based on what's happening to Jimmy Graham and others.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@__fense @Brendan @bklyndude

Yeah,  according to the NFL,  not Jimmy Graham.  

Think about it,  he caught 16 TD's last year.   That is the definition of somebody who catches the ball,  the most important balls.   The union has some fault in agreeing to this type of agreement that allows this type of garbage.

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 As does skipping over multiple potential franchise QB's to build up your defense when you had one of the worst offensive units in the NFL and at worst a middling defensive unit. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

true, I only live in Houston and listen to the local radio where this situation has been discussed ad nauseum. I should defer to you as I am sure you have a friend who is a Texans fan and has all the answers!

I will stop commenting on this issue now.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @Bent Yeah, that's my point.  67% sounds like a lot, but if (say) Antonio Gates was at about the same number and he was treated and paid like a TE, then Jimmy should be too.


Let's look at recent guys who were franchised as a TE and their percentages in slot or wide for the year before that:


F Davis 13%

M Lewis 19%

B Scaife 28%

D Clark 31%


Hmmm.  I guess at least there is noone in there that hurts Graham's case too much.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bklyndude @Bent @Brendan What about the Gronk argument though?  Gronk produces just as much as Graham when healthy but he also contributes as a blocker.  He's not being paid as an elite receiver.  Durability issues aside ... is that fair?

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @tsjc68

That too.


Would Andre Johnson be less disgruntled if they'd taken Teddy Bridgewater #1 overall?  Yeah, probably.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Oh, does that mean you will admit to knowing less about the Jets than everyone who lives up here and stop telling people they're wrong? 


File this under using your own logic against you

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Haha, just reading that list makes me laugh, btw. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Bent @bklyndude @Brendan

Fair.....absolutely not,  Gronk is getting screwd as well.   Graham and Gronk are the elite TE's in the league and their salaries are being artificially depressed because of the system in place.  

Anybody who is told they are going to be paid by position instead of by production is potentially getting screwd,  especially the elite players.  

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Interestingly enough, Gronk's healthy issues flared up almost immediately after signing that extension. Obviously just a coincidence, but I bet that's not what Belichick envisioned when giving him that deal. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @Brendan 

Maybe he'd be even more pissed that they wasted the no. 1 pick in the draft on a QB they could have traded up to 31 for....