News: Idzik, Ryan and Bradway all on hand at Clemson Pro Day

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Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

Pro Day season began this week and after spending Monday at Ole Miss, it seems that Jets Senior Director of College Scouting popped over to Auburn on Tuesday before being spotted in South Carolina Thursday at Clemson’s Pro Day.  While that is interesting in and of itself, it seems that Bradway was joined by Jets General Manager John Idzik and Head Coach Rex Ryan, thanks to a TJB tipster on hand for the proceedings.

Ryan’s son, Seth, walked on for the Clemson football team and attends the school so while the Jets head coach might be double-dipping both business and pleasure in South Carolina, it’s worth noting that Ryan was met by two of the highest ranking members of the team’s front office.

NCAA Football: Orange Bowl-Ohio State vs ClemsonSammy Watkins (Projected pick: Top 10) — For this much Jets manpower to attend a Pro Day of potential draftees who fall well ahead or well behind their 18th pick, it has to be taken into consideration that the Jets are taking a good long look at Watkins.  Watkins is the best of an incredibly deep class of receivers and projects by many to be an immediate impact maker at the pro level.  With smooth acceleration and a good top speed coupled with sharp footwork, excellent body control and improving ball skills, wrapped up in an NFL veteran’s presence at playing the ball and defender … he could be a very special player in the NFL.  With multiple gears at multiple levels of the field, Watkins is the type of player that will likely make any NFL quarterback better.  Are the Jets taking a serious look at the draft’s top receiver to see what it would take for them to move up to acquire such a player?  With the triumverate in Clemson today, it’s hard not to think they are considering the cost … is the proverbial squeeze worth the juice?

Brandon Thomas (Projected pick: 2-3 round) — Thomas played well at the collegiate level and projects well to the pros as an interior linemen.  The value of guards seems to be on the rise in a counter-move to the number of interior defensive linemen who are increasingly capable of creating damage in the NFL.  Thomas would be a good fit and might slide into the spot left by Willie Colon, but are the Jets full up on the line after drafting three linemen last year?

WR Martavis Bryant (Projected pick: 2-3 round) — During the Clemson Pro Day, the Jets showed active interest in Bryant.  This to me is interesting, but might it be a smokescreen for their interest in Watkins?  Bryant is a raw athlete who Dane Brugler compares to Stephen Hill.  Whether ahead or behind at this point, it’s hard to say, but so far the Jets have already invested two years into Hill and would drafting a player like Bryant move them back to square one?  While Bryant is tall and has a good frame (6’4″ 211 lbs) to play receiver in the NFL, he needs to tighten up a lot of his technique to hope to have much of an impact at the NFL.  At Clemson, Bryant benefited from Watkins, didn’t run a full route tree and double-caught more balls than many would like to see from a player with NFL aspirations.  There might be something there for the Jets coaching staff to work with, but any expectations of early contribution in the NFL seem unlikely.

CB Bashuad Breeland (Projected pick: 3-4 round) — While he doesn’t have the best timed speed and he might have benefited from staying one more year in school, Breeland has family on his mind and at age 22 the corner was ready to take on the NFL.  He was smooth in positional drills at the Combine and has the fluidity NFL coaches like to see in defensive backs regardless of timed speed.  Breeland is 6’0″ tall and has long arms, a trait many press man coverage teams like in their corners (like the Jets).

QB Tajh Boyd (Projected pick: 4-7 round) — Boyd was considered a top prospect last season, but after a lackluster 2013 his prospects have seemed to drop him.  Boyd is said to have good ball placement and velocity on his passes and has demonstrated poise in the pocket.  Boyd is also classified as having a “compact” body type with lateral agility that provides him elusivity on the run.  For all these reasons, he’s positively compared to Russell Wilson, but there are some concerns around his game.  He’s said to have too long a wind-up and he can drop his eyes in favor of scrambling too often.  Rex has been complimentary of Boyd in the past … but is he the right fit for the Jets?




126 comments
jetfan13
jetfan13

If Watkins falls to 7or8 what would it take to move up? Does anyone know that draft value chart?

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

Really, really like Martavis after some limited viewing. Just thought I'd pop in to mention that.

a57se
a57se

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2013/2/25/4026096/2013-nfl-combine-can-the-combine-tests-predict-nfl-performance-for

Here is an in-depth piece on combine results and if they are predictive and if so, which ones are predictive.

The Vertical leap and the 10 yard split in the 40 seem to have the most predictive value according to this piece and Beckham beat Watkins easily in both.

38.5" to 34.0" in the vertical, 1.50 to 1.55 in the 10 yard spit.

Height seems to have little predictive value as well as weight though Speed/weight combo can be predictive of guys who might not make it.....both players are fine in this category.


I am not arguing that Beckham is better than Watkins or vice versa...they are both terrific WR prospects and I think any team that selects them will be very pleased both now and down the road.

Based on film that I have watched of both guys, I like Beckham better.

Bent
Bent moderator

Rich Cimini ‏@RichCimini  1m

Rex Ryan, attending Clemson pro day, tells AP he'd like to add a WR. Covets Sammy Watkins, "but there's no way he'll be there" at 18.


Yep, smokescreen.

a57se
a57se

I don't see why the Jets heavy hitters would all show up at Clemson to see Watkins or any one else there....mayb we have interest in something else?

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

Odell Beckham Jr > Sammy Watkins .. Stay at 18 and you have your choice of

Beckham Jr, Jordan Matthews, Allen Robinson, Brandin Cooks .. Stay at 18!!

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  Haha, you're the best man. You're focusing on one of the multiple formulas discussed there. Watkins has a much better "speed score," for example. And his explosion number will be better, since he's bigger and was only .5" less than Beckham on combined vertical/broad jumps. 


Based on film it seems most NFL teams like Watkins more. Maybe Beckham shocks the world and gets picked first, who knows. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent  

So like I asked before, why would all the heavy hitters be there? Tajh Boyd? You'd think Marty or Lee would be there as well....


Brendan
Brendan

@a57se  I'm pretty sure they went to see the football players, but maybe they went for the scenery.

Brendan
Brendan

@JCuratola3  Beckham is not better than Watkins, settle down over there Joe. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @Bent    I'm sure if Watkins fell a bit, they would want to be sure all of the brass is in agreement before making a move for him.  There are probably other players being looked at as well.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @a57se  I hear the girls at Hooters in Clemson are hotter than the ones in Mobile.

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

Peep the combine results and some tape. Facts.

a57se
a57se

@Omari Brown @JCuratola3 

Watch the tape, it is not that far fetched of a statement.......Beckham's measurables are better than Watkins but he didn't play in the same type offense so his college production is not the same. If Beckham had gone to Clemson and Watkins had gone to LSU,. the shoe could easily be on the other foot.

For people who don't watch film there is now way to prove the assertion.


JCuratola3
JCuratola3

Beckham seems to be faster than Watkins although from Watkins broad I would say Watkins is more explosive off the snap. Beckham has bigger hands and I think he is a better pass catcher. Watkins is stronger. I honestly think they are both top WRs Evans being another top WR however they are different. I like a receiver like ODB who can do it all. Not mostly breakouts in bubble screens and slants.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bklyndude  Or maybe they just convened in one place to discuss ongoing contract issues.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude @Bent

Bradway was in Auburn yesterday and probably met the guys in Clemson.  I'm sure all opinions matter if a move up is considered.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude @a57se@Bent 

I hear ya but there really isn't anyone of that high a standing to warrant that level of involvement to me.....the rest of the Clemson players are 3rd round or later type guys....probably nothing to read into here.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bklyndude @a57se @Bent  Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 43m

I don’t know if they can pull it off. But #Lions are showing a TON of interest in Sammy Watkins. They draft No. 10… & have Megatron

The Lions could just draft Beckham at ten.


Bent
Bent moderator

@bklyndude @a57se @Bent  It shows as approved?  Must be a glitch.  I can see it, which is why I replied to it.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @Bent @bklyndude    Lions are reportedly interested in moving up from 10th spot to get Sammy Watkins.  Millen when in Detroit loved drafting WR's.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Bent @bklyndude @a57se   Ian Rapoport tweeted the Lions are interested in moving up for Sammy Watkins.  Shades of Matt Millen ?

They could just draft Odell Beckham.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Only if it's the game tape from this years Mobile/Clemson Hooters Wash-Off Car Wash Charity Competition. I heard that was a great match. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Pardon? 



Another example of you getting salty because you got called out on a BS comment. Just like Brees isn't elite. Or Geno limiting turnovers isn't improving his play. 


Any time you say something false, and it's proven false you either ignore it or act like the person is just chasing you around to be a jerk. 


The discussion here is Watkins vs. Beckham. The focus of my comments are the false representation that Beckham "has better measureables" than Watkins, mainly because he doesn't. They have comparable measureables. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se And why aren't we using "official" times? 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @JCuratola3 

The unofficial 40 times, beckham was faster, the official times were the same.

three out of 4 results that are most predicitive for WR's Beckham was demonstrably better but you fail to see a difference...OK.

Brendan
Brendan

@JCuratola3  No, Beckham didn't run a faster 40. Check your "facts" again. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se And Watkins is taller, weights more, had a better broad jump, more bench reps. 


Beckham had better 3-cone, 20 yard shuttle, vertical jump. 

They had identical 40 times. 


Tell me again how that means Beckham has "better measureables." 

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

It's not facts ? Beckham ran a quicker 40 therefore he's faster .. Watkins had a better broad and bench therefore a he's stronger and more explosive. Beckham has bigger hands and from tape has better hands. That last one maybean opinion the other two are facts.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @JCuratola3 

Put the numbers up Brendan.

Beckham was way better in the 3-cone and the 20 yard shuttle.

Brendan
Brendan

@JCuratola3  Those are not "facts." The combine showed Watkins and Beckham as comparable, elite athletes. The tape shows Watkins as a better pure WR in nearly everyone's eyes. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se "done." 


Because no player has ever fixed fundamentals in the NFL. 

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99

What I read on Evans suggests he comes off the line too high and that it might be easy for the defender to get into his chest, in which case he is done......

Brendan
Brendan

@jroc On the flip side, he could fall anywhere from 7-10 depending on how things shake out. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Stanley Bostitch I assume "early 3rd" means Tampa's 3rd? 


Either way, I'm probably going with Evans there. 

Stanley Bostitch
Stanley Bostitch

@SackDance99 @Bent @a57se  Hmmm so which scenario do you prefer?


Trade our 1st, early 3rd, and say a 5th to get Watkins, or

Trade our 1st and 4th to get Evans


Assuming they go 5-8 picks apart. I currently have a man crush on Evans but haven't seen any tape on Watkins to know if I should switch allegiances.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent @SackDance99@a57seBig guys have natural separation because of their big bodies, too.  I haven't seen enough of Evans to know whether he can swat away press coverage or body position it away.  Boldin, who is pretty big at 6-1 and lacks elite speed, has the knack for beating press coverage with physicality...he always gets open.  Graham, as we saw last year, struggles with press coverage (likely because TEs are rarely pressed, just bumped).  If Evans can beat press coverage, he'll be a complete beast.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Please explain how your statement makes sense. Your bias is outrageous right now. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Look at the links and it is obvious Beckham has better measureables..no matter how you try and spin it.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Brendan go watch some film instead of acting like you actually know what you are talking about. Every thing I said is easily verifiable or disputable on the tape.

If I am wrong, show the tape.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Can you even produce knocks on Beckham's game? Out of curiosity, I'd love to hear what you think he has to improve on. 

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99 @Bent@a57se 

Exactly and there have been questions about Evans and press coverage as well....Missouri and another team did well against him.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Bent @a57seBigger WR, often because they're not as quick off the LOS, struggle more with press coverage...big body, big target.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  Wow.  Well, I guess we could say that's not been his biggest problem in the NFL.


I sometimes wonder if some of these reports are just based on:


Big = can get off press

Not big = might not be able to get off press

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

That was actually mentioned as a strength for Hill...i think because he was considered a good blocker....

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Hahahaha. Yes, now Watkins is soft. Anything to pump your guy, right? 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent  Interesting.  Are you aware of anyone who has "ability to get off press coverage" as a strength?  There must be some.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude @a57se@Omari Brown@JCuratola3 

I've never seen  Beckham put his hands up towards a defender (as if to say Don't hit me) and run out of bounds to avoid contact but I saw Watkins do it many times. Watch the film and see for yourself.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @Bent   Not speculation.  In the championship game,  they threw the ball to Watkins behind the line of scrimmage and let him run over and by the CB's.   

Watch that game again.

a57se
a57se

@Bent  

That same criticism applies to Watkins.....but beckham wasn't pressed much that I saw in his game tape and had no issues the limited times he was.

I believe that is just speculation because there are not many college CB's who press anyway.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @Omari Brown @JCuratola3   I don't think it's close as far as who is the more physical WR which is absolutely a factor at the next level.  

Beckham looks good,  but not as good.

JCuratola3
JCuratola3

Exactly .. Tape dont lie and not highlights

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se


As you know, I don't really follow the draft stuff that closely, but I read somewhere else that if Beckham has a weakness it's that he hasn't really shown an ability to get separation when dealing with press coverage.


As you've obviously watched a lot of this guy, is it a fair comment, completely off base or something which has merit but you believe he can overcome?


Just thought it was interesting in light of Marty's comments that they are targeting receivers who can (a) catch the ball (check!) and (b) get off press coverage at the line (unknown).

Brendan
Brendan

How do you justify saying that his measurables are better? They're comparable. Watkins is better in some regards, Beckham in others. 

a57se
a57se

@JCuratola3  

The difference between someone who watches film for himself and someone who reads what everyone else writes.