News: QB Jay Cutler re-signs in Chicago for seven year deal

The Bears have announced today that they have re-signed quarterback Jay Cutler to a new deal.

In 2013, Cuter started 11 games and amassed 2,621 yards, 19 touchdowns and 12 interceptions and did so with Alshon Jeffrey, Brandon Marshall, Matt Forte and Martellus Bennett at his disposal. While Cutler missed time with injuries in 2013 as the season wound down questions arose as to whether going back to Cutler was the right decision.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

While there was some chatter about adding Cutler to the Jets this offseason, this move makes that all a moot point.  Even if Cutler were to hit free agency I doubt that the Jets would get into a bidding war for his services.  The cost of bringing Cutler in would be too high compared to all the other improvements that the team needs to make this offseason.  John Idzik stated this week that he’s open to bringing in more talent at the quarterback spot this offseason but making a massive splash like signing Jay Cutler in free agency doesn’t seem his style.

Common sense seems to say that if the Jets can make it work with Geno Smith at his modest salary for 2014 they will try to do so.  Smith showed the needed improvement at the end of the season and the amount of money that Smith takes up against the cap will allow the Jets to spend so much money elsewhere.  Beyond a cheap veteran quarterback to push/backup Geno the wisest investment from a money standpoint would be through the draft.

The Jets are just about to get out from under the Sanchez contract.  Would adding Cutler make the difference that this team needs to put the 2014 Jets into the Super Bowl and thereby forego free agent acquisitions at the WR/TE/RB spots?  I’m not convinced it would.




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Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

Good.  Let Cutler whine and pout somewhere else, not at MetLife.

jvsvn
jvsvn

Unless they think Geno will never be a good starter and Simms is useless, why would they draft a developmental player. They already have two on the roster. There really is only two plausible scenarios in my opinion. 1) They fall in love with one of the top guys who they trade up to get or he somehow falls to them at 18, or 2) They bring in a vet as backup insurance. Someone like an Orton. Maybe one of the QBs from Minnesota, Matt Schaub, Matt Flynn, or somebody like that. I know that none of those vet options sounds very good but the thing is that they really wouldn't be coming in as potential starters (no matter what Idzik or Rex might say about it). Depending on what they really think about Garrard's health, I also think it's possible that we wind up with the same QB trio next year.  As long as Geno continues to progress, there really wouldn't be anything wrong with that.


It makes no sense to give up on Geno right now just when he's starting to show improvement. I think the Marty M / Geno tandem gets another year to show what they can do. Use all the assets (draft picks / money) to build the team around them. If Geno turns out not to e the guy, then next year they'll be in the right frame of mind to go out and get another QB.


The one curveball is this: Marty M doesn't come back as OC. If that happens, either through his choice or the team's, then all bets are off and anything can happen.

kniff
kniff

Sanchez and Garrard being gone should be a given... How about Geno, Simms, a FA stud vet, and a deeper draft pick experiment for our QB competition this upcoming season?

al_toon
al_toon

First off, we definitely need a real and open competition at QB. With that being said, signing Mike Vick makes sense.  Has there been any real chatter about that behind the scenes? Drop Garrard, sign Vick. Then bring in someone to compete with Simms (such as a middle of the pack draft pick with potential up-side).  If Geno wins the job - if he stumbles or gets hurt -  you can certainly make a run with Vick - who already knows this offence and has shown maturity this year accepting a backup role, and he could tutor Geno. I think s 4-5th rounder QB - if there is a good one on the board - is also a good move. Moving on from Sanchez is a given.   

Matthieu Laughlington
Matthieu Laughlington

I keep reading things like this and it's driving me crazy. He had two OK games at the end of the season, now we don't need a QB anymore? These guys are pros that get paid millions, he was the worst starting QB in the entire league. Sticking  with Geno would absolutely be insane and I think it would send a really poor message of apathy to the team. QB is too important of a position to be waiting and hoping.

a57se
a57se

For you guys who want to trade a 2nd round pick for Kirk Cousins, please take a look at Football Outsiders QB rantings.

Cousins is no better then Geno according to them and they both are at the absolute bottom of the league. 

In DYAR, YAR, DVOA AND QBR, they both rank lower than the top 32 and fall in the 37 to 45 range in all of these rankings.

For comparisons, Kellen Clemens ranked between 25 and 32 in all these categories while josh McCown ranked between 1 and 13.

Eli Manning ranked between 36 and 42 while Flacco was ranked between 28 and 40.......

 http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb


Here is the link for you to peruse.


Pat d
Pat d

If QB is the top player on the Jets draft board you take him. It's a no brainer. Drafting a QB doesn't break the bank like in years past.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@jvsvn


Bringing in competition isn't the same thing as giving up on Geno. If Geno is the guy they hope he is then competition won't matter because he will outplay whoever is brought in. If Geno, on the other hand, regresses then having a legitimate alternative at QB is a good thing.....

Vincent Winner
Vincent Winner

@kniff Not sure there's a "stud" FA vet out there at QB, but there are solid back-up/legitimate competition level QBs, such as Vick or McCown that we could bring in.  I'd say bring one of those in and maybe a mid to late round QB in the draft if there is was that the FO finds intriguing, but if there isn't I don't think it's a big deal.

Brendan
Brendan

@kniff It would be funny if they draft a late-rounder and Simms gets cut. Because then the Simms fans can lament the cut for a couple weeks and then morph into fans of the new backup QB. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Matthew Lafflin


I have supported Geno and was happy the Jets drafted him as Sanchez was unwatchable for me. Having said this, Geno looked as bad or worse than Sanchez many games he played in this year. He did finish the season strong though and his teammates seem to like playing with him.


I do tend to agree with you though. 21 turnovers (even for a rookie) is horrendous....especially when that rookie isn't throwing many touchdowns and instead has to score with his legs.


Getting married to any QB who isn't a top 15 QB in the NFL is foolish. Geno doesn't deserve job security. He should go into camp battling for his life because hopefully Idzik brings in somebody capable of taking his job...

Brendan
Brendan

@Matthew Lafflin So when a young player struggles early on, but then sorts it out, rights the ship and finishes strong, we as fans (and the team as professionals) should focus on the early season struggles that were corrected in favor of looking at how the season ended?


Doesn't it make more sense to take the latter part of the year as a better indicator for the future? 


By your logic, Milliner and Winters should both be cut despite playing much, much better in the final month of the year, right? I mean, they stunk earlier in the year, there's no way they should be given a chance to start next year. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

@a57se


Your stats are flawed because the Jets have a much better o-line than the Redskins and also have a better running game.......To do a fair comparison of Geno & Cousins you need to put them in a situation where the talent around them is similar......


Aren't you the QB expert who hated the idea of the Jets trading for Peyton Manning? Wasn't your rationale that the Jets had Mark Sanchez, one of the 10 best NFL QB's and didn't need Manning? .......I will take a pass on your advice when it comes to which QB's can and can't help the Jets........(sarcasm)


You may be right that Cousins isn't the answer but he certainly doesn't hurt the Jets depth chart at the QB position. Cousins also hasn't started enough games to judge him fairly and compare him with Geno......

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Is this actually a thing? People want to do this? 

Matthieu Laughlington
Matthieu Laughlington

@bradysucks Most of the season he looked worse. How many games did they not even flirt with the endzone? I agree 100% with everything you said except one thing...His teammates like playing with him, but that is more a testament to Rex than it is to Geno I'll bet and that sentiment is going to have a shelf life.
I'm on the fence as to whether he'll be good or not, I simply do not know. But I'd rather not bet the next several years on it.

Matthieu Laughlington
Matthieu Laughlington

@Brendan@Matthew Lafflin No Brendan you're right, he did improve and credit is due. I'm not taking anything away from him all those things you've said is true....However, it would still be insane to not have QB at the top of the list of needs for this team. He also had a good game against a decent Buffalo team. He has done some good things, but is he good? With just a one word answer is he good? No. We hope that he'll improve, it's reasonable to think that he will, but it's tough to predict that. He certainly isn't ahead of the learning curve, and to be honest he didn't even play good when compared to other recent starting rookie QBs. Bottom line is that QB is too important a spot to be penciling in with a hope colored crayon.

Brendan
Brendan

@frustjetfn Based on what? There is no logic tied to this statement, just your eye test. 

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks Alfred Morris has almost 3,000 yards in two seasons and the Skins have better WR's or at least comparable. 


I get what you're saying, but it's generally a fair comparison since both teams are flawed. Especially since those metrics do weight competition and other factors into their formulas. 



a57se
a57se

@Brendan

You missed the huge debate I got into with WW85 about Cousins.....I am pretty sure it was him who wanted to trade a 2nd for Cousins after the Atlanta-Washington game.

I think there were one or two guys who were with him on that!

Matthieu Laughlington
Matthieu Laughlington

@Brendan yeah that all stands up to reason, I wouldn't wanna move on from Geno cause he has shown some good things. I will say that his records and his numbers are as mucha reflection of the offense and the play calling as it was of Geno. In that I mean to say that many times I saw them get really conservative, playing to not lose as opposed to playing to win. And sure maybe some of that was due to what they had at receiver and the pass blocking hole they had on the line at times, but bottom line is no matter how good your D is you have to eventually score. So I am not ready to move on from Geno, I get it. Here's the beautiful thing though, with the new CBA teams no longer have to give up the farm for a high draft pick so I think that really changes the way the draft has to be approached. There's just too much upside and much less downside now to entering the next great QB sweepstakes that I think trading up is something that absolutely must be done unless you have a proven commodity.


Anyway, if nothing else I think this whole thread has served to be the spirited debate everyone comes for. Cheers.

Brendan
Brendan

@Matthew Lafflin I can agree with this. I've stated it elsewhere, but I'm not against bringing someone else in to push Geno or compete with him or whatever you want to call it. But to act like the team MUST move on from Geno, or something along those lines (which is a common theme in certain people's commenting), is just not fair. 


I don't want the team to reach for a guy just to take a QB, just take the BPA and if someone falls to you, then you consider the merits of re-drafting a position you just spent a year trying to nurture a starter for. If you think Player X will get to that level before Geno? Take him. 


My issue isn't saying the team should be aware of their options and should not be afraid to follow their gut, my issue is with people saying this is the no-brainer plan. Geno showed some great bright spots to go with horrible low-points, but the way he finished the year gives hope that he realized it's better to have lesser #'s himself if it means they control the ball, win the turnover & position battle and slug out victories over good defensive teams. If he played the Browns during his slump, that game is probably a disaster, that defense is no slouch and he really prioritized ball security over everything else. 


Ultimately, we want the guy who plays his game no matter who the opponent is, but those types are rare. The way Rex's teams have always won is with ball security being paramount, so if Geno leads an offense to low-20's but has a positive turnover ratio next year, I think this team wins 10 games, easily. 

a57se
a57se

@Matthew Lafflin

Thank you, maybe you can get through to these guys because I am just about fed up with trying. hopefully they won't start calling you a racist or a Geno Hater!

Pat d
Pat d

Saying Geno played excellent in his last 2 games is an exaggeration

Bernard Mclaughlin
Bernard Mclaughlin

@Brendan@a57se rankly doing any kid of evaluation of a QB after his first season is ridiculous.  geno's rookie stats in rating, Comp % , his INT/TD ratio was better than the rookie years of Matt Staffords and Eli Manning. For that mater so was Sanchez.  For 30 yrs the wisdom was thet QB's needed 3 years on the bench to be a productive NFL QB , The key issues are: 1.Mechanics,2.Arm Strength 3. work ethic    that's all w e should be looking at for Geno now,    after next year things will be clearer. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You know I can read words just as easily if they're not in all caps, right? 


Maybe I should type in all-caps so you can read my comments, though. We weren't talking about the entire season, we are talking specifically about how Geno ended the year and how people simply ignore how he finished the season strongly (as did all the rookies) so they can continue talking about Stinky Geno. 


Thank you for putting words in my mouth and then bashing me for them, though. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

and here is my issue, you ignore the BASIC FACTS. 

Geno was the WORST RATED QB in the LEAGUE who started ALL their teams games. HE WAS TERRIBLE!

There is NOTHING SUBJECTIVE ABOUT THIS STATEMENT. IT IS A COLD HARD FACT!


It does not mean he can't improve or can't become a competent NFL QB, HE JUST WASN'T IN 2013!

Brendan
Brendan

@Matthew Lafflin Really? Because I think 250 yards of offensive production per game, 4 TD's and zero turnovers in 2 games against top defenses is pretty good, no? 

Matthieu Laughlington
Matthieu Laughlington

@frustjetfn@Brendan If Geno played "excellently" than what word do we have left to describe how Nick Foles regularly plays? You're definitely looking through rose tinted glasses my man.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@Brendan@frustjetfnThe other problem is that if one of us points out that Geno had a better rookie record than: Peyton, Eli, or Aikman, we get the "you're comparing Geno to X" meme.


I saw all of Eli's rookie starts and Geno was flat out better this year than Eli was and Eli had better weapons.  Peyton and Aikman were way more polished than Geno, but needed better talent around them to succeed.  Geno could end up not being a bona fide NFL QB; I just don't think it's fair or reasonable to conclude that he could never succeed after just finishing with his best 4 game stretch of the season.  Caveat it all you like, but Geno looked above-average those 4 weeks and showed objective improvement in his areas of weakness.  It doesn't wash away the bad that happened, but if he continues on a path of improvement, he could be the QB the Jets need, especially at his salary.

Brendan
Brendan

@frustjetfn See, this is my issue. This isn't an objective post. 


The Browns had a top-10 (possibly top-5) defense. Miami had an above-average defense. Neither game was a gimme, and Geno played excellently. Why can't you acknowledge these facts, say Geno played well, and say he ended the year on the upswing, but the team shouldn't be against upgrading. That's a fair stance, but to say Geno sucks, his high points don't matter and the team can't even think about starting him next year is just a gross exaggeration. 

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@Brendan@frustjetfnWe really don't have to rehash the season do we? The big plus in the last 2 games was throwing the ball away & using his legs. The Browns stink and Miami forgot how to rush the passer. So can anyone think Geno has a higher upside then they thought Sanchez had in his first year?

He's definitely not a 2nd round bust and has project potential, but rolling him out on the NFL stage last year was unfair to him, the team and the fans. He has a long journey to go before being a finished product and I believe MM and Idzik know it. So no matter what either of us believe, let's see what the pros do this off season.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@a57se @bradysucks


Manziel isn't Ryan Leaf.....


I don't think you have to worry about the Jets trading up for a QB.......It doesn't seem to be Idzik's style........


The Jets haven't had an elite QB since Namath and I don't see that changing this year. Just remember - the Giants traded up for Eli and it netted them 2 superbowls.


I think Manziel does well in the NFL.....just like Wilson and Kaepernick.......especially if he gets drafted by a decent team like those 2 guys did. The Jets have a good defense and a good running game. Manziel could do well on the Jets....


The Seahawks and 49ers also have a good defense and a good running game......

a57se
a57se

@bradysucks 

Ryan Leaf was a top ten pick in the draft but I am very glad we didn't trade up for him.

a57se
a57se

@SackDance99

" So, Geno has a better upside in that he has a better skill set and hasn't looked worse in his 2nd pro season. "

Is this REALLY your logic?

bradysucks
bradysucks

He's gonna be a top 10 pick in the draft Brendan. Manziel plays well in big games when the lights are on - He'd do just fine in NY.

No matter who the QB is in NY the media will make every effort to destroy them

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks Jesus dude. Johnny Football would be an unmitigated disaster in NYC. Sometimes you make me worry about you. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

Speaking of Manziel....He is a guy I'd love to see the Jets draft

People love or hate this guy....but I think he has the perfect mind set to have big success in NY - this guy lives for the big game and the big moment

If Idzik has balls he'll trade up for Manziel. It will get a ton of criticism but the bottom line is that you only get so many shots at franchise QB's. I remember Rex wanted to draft Kaepernick and the Jets just missed him. Maybe this time Rex will convince Idzik to go for it with Manziel - won't happen...but I'd love it if it did

SackDance99
SackDance99

@bradysucks@SackDance99No, Geno gets paid to win and that means leading an offense that scores TDs, something he has to improve upon in all aspects of his play.  Plus, Brees is a pretty good runner (and I'm including scrambler in my definition) and one of the best QBs throwing on the run in the NFL...Geno's not at his level.  The playoffs have a number of guys that are better runners than Geno, including Wilson, Newton, Kaepernick, Rodgers (18 rushing TDs as a starter and a 4.7 yard per carry avg.), Brees (3 rushing TDs this year), and Smith.  That's 1/2 of the playoff QBs.  Having the runner/scrambler skill set is the new normal in the NFL and will only get more so with guys like Manziel joining the league.  And, the best WCO QBs have always been mobile, like Montana, Young, McNabb, Rodgers, Favre, etc.


I agree the Jets do need a back up plan, I just don't think that Cousins should be part of that plan.  I'm banging the table for a vet that can run the WCO because I think such a guy serves 2 functions: competition and the ability to teach by showing how it's done.  Cousins is just another guy and we have Simms for that.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@SackDance99@bradysucks


"Geno is a better runner than Cousins"


Geno is also a better runner than Phillip Rivers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees etc .......Geno gets paid to throw......QB's make their legacy with their arms......and Mike Vick...one of the best runners EVER...won't be in the hall of fame.....but Tom Brady and Peyton Manning (who are as slow as it gets) will be in Canton


Cousins didn't get enough playing time in his 2nd year to judge him fairly and when he was inserted it was for a team that had already given up......


I am not against Geno....I like him....but I didn't see enough from him where I am convinced that he is good enough to win a super bowl with. I would like Idzik to bring in competition at QB.....Once Geno proves he can be a top 15 passer in the NFL this talk will go away.....


Until then the Jets need to have a back up plan in the event that Geno regresses....

BDarc23
BDarc23

Since I hate being wrong...I keep rooting for the Sanchize

bradysucks
bradysucks

@BDarc23


You mean bring back the buttfumble kid :0 )


This is one move the Jets can make that might actually make Fins and Pats fans happier than it would make Joeyboy :)

SackDance99
SackDance99

@bradysucksI disagree, I would take Decker.  Upside isn't a fantasy when it's based on a skills comparison.  Geno is a better runner and Cousins hasn't shown that he's a better passer.  Also, Cousins is a 2nd year pro and 2nd year improvement is key for QBs.  That Cousins wasn't appreciably better in his year 2 is a bad sign for his future success.


So, Geno has a better upside in that he has a better skill set and hasn't looked worse in his 2nd pro season.  As for OL, receivers, etc., Cousins also faced worse defenses than Geno and performed poorly.


And, Geno had 25 turnovers, 21 INTs and 4 fumbles, but I don't believe he lost a fumble after the Titans game and he threw only 1 INT in his last 3 games.  It's improvement over the course of the year that makes Geno a better prospect than Cousins and I'd much rather have a real veteran QB that knows how to run a WCO as a challenge, rather than a guy with an inferior skill set that is still a work in progress.

BDarc23
BDarc23

What the Jets need is a veteran QB that has 60+ NFL starts and has won 4 road playoff games to compete with Geno 

bradysucks
bradysucks

I'd take Stephen Hill's upside over Eric Decker's but I'd rather have Decker starting for me at WR.....

As far as Geno's upside vs the upside of Cousins is concerned.....it's still too early to say which guy can be a better QB. The Jets have a better o-line than the Skins and when Cousins took over for RG3 that team had all but given up. Mike Shannahan was getting fired the day he benched RG3. That was obvious to everybody including the players in Washington. You don't bench a QB who your GM and owner gave up 3 1st round draft choices to acquire (or whatever the insane compensation was).

Upside is a fantasy. It is a dream. Stephen Hill has upside. In the meantime he sucks. Wes Welker has only so much upside. He's short and slow for a WR in the NFL and he can't jump. I'd still take Welker over Hill.

Geno's upside is nice but 21 turnovers with a poor passer rating is what his stats say he is. I'd welcome some competition for Geno from Cousins

SackDance99
SackDance99

@bradysucksFact is that Geno didn't have playmakers or a legit redzone threat and he DID make plays with his arms, like the 2 TD passes to Nelson?  You can't really be faulting a QB, any QB, for running for 6 TDs.


As for Cousins v. Geno, I will say that Cousins in his last 3 starts faced 2 of the bottom 5 defenses per FO and they both played the Falcons, with Geno having a near perfect game, while Cousins threw 2 crucial INTs.  I'd take Geno's upside over Cousins' and I like Cousins.

bradysucks
bradysucks

I like Geno's personality. I like his maturity as a leader. I like that he can run. I like his arm strength. Those are the good things about Geno and there's plenty to like.

What I don't like is that Geno didn't throw enough TD's to compensate for his turnovers. I remember Peyton Manning as a rookie had a ton of turnovers. The thing about Manning is that Manning also threw a lot of touchdowns (even as a rookie). Same thing with Brett Favre. A lot of good young QB's make mistakes early in their careers but they ALSO show flashes of brilliance with their arm. I didn't see enough of these flashes from Geno as a passer. Geno's biggest area of improvement was as a RUNNER. He used his legs to score. I'll take a TD any way I can get one from my QB but I'd prefer to see a young QB making plays with his arm instead of with his legs

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks I believe Geno is the 5th rookie in the history of the NFL to throw for 3,000 yards. The turnovers are the only concern for him, and that's a universal rookie issue. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

Yes - but the Jets and Idzik aren't going to trade a 2nd round pick for Cousins unless they view him as a starter. I think the Skins will have a very hard time getting a 2nd round pick for Cousins. He simply has not started enough NFL games where teams are going to risk trading that high of a pick for him. This seems especially true this year when the draft is supposedly quite deep at the QB position.

I think getting Cousins is a good move. I would not trade a 2nd round pick for him. I would however consider giving up one of the Jets 2 3rd round picks for a QB who could potentially beat out Geno. The Skins benched RGIII in favor of Cousins so it isn't crazy to think that Cousins could be a guy capable of pushing Geno.

I think that Idzik will look to bring in another QB. I am not sure whether he drafts a QB or looks elsewhere. I do think that Idzik is smart enough to know that his success as a GM is tied directly to whichever QB is leading the Jets!

I doubt Idzik is comfortable with Geno after watching him turnover the football 21 times and put up some truly ugly passing numbers.

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks Ah, but was the Skins offense in 2013 nearly as good as the Jets' offense in 2013? I think so. 


"Excellent" may be a stretch, but the Jets' OL was probably better...but not by a lot. You have to look at that group as a whole, and that includes Brian Winters, unfortunately. 


I just think it's fair for 57 to say it's a terrible idea to trade a 2nd for a backup. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Brendan@bradysucks


That Skins offense in 2013 wasn't nearly as good as it was in 2012.


You're correct that Geno had little to work with but Geno did have an excellent o-line in front of him. Brick, Mangold, Howard, & Colon are better players than the guys Cousins had blocking for him

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks Morris/Helu vs. Ivory/Powell? That's at-best a draw for the Jets. The WR's are fairly even, I guess, but with the Jets' injuries Geno definitely had a lesser group of targets. Per Football Outsiders, the OL's are fairly even, too. 


Your comment wasn't about the coaches, or the teams, it was about the QB's and I don't think it's accurate to say the offenses were so far apart talent-wise that the two players can't be compared. 


Let's make this easier: are you one of the people who would trade a 2nd round pick for Cousins?

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Brendan@bradysucks


I don't agree. The Skins were a disaster this year....so much so that they fired their head coach. The Skins were not talented enough to be competitive in 2013. The Jets at least were competitive.


Also Geno started all 16 games. How many NFL starts does Cousins have? If we randomly took the stats from 4 of Geno's games he could look like an awesome QB or look like one of the worst QB's in NFL history. Geno was Jeckyll and Hyde this year......but at least we had a full 16 games to evaluate him.


Cousins has not started enough NFL games to fairly evaluate him and compare him with Geno