No surgery needed for Cro

Antonio Cromartie said he will not need surgery on his hip (Rieber).

He expects to be 100 percent by the end of February (Walder).

Cromartie injured his hip in August and battled the injury all season.

He recently said he would like to retire as a Jet.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

It’s good news for Cromartie as it was an injury that he plainly struggled with for much of the season. To his credit, Cromartie has done an excellent job with his offseason conditioning to help him maintain a high level of play up until this year — just by looking at the initial financial structure of the contract it was longer than the Jets expected he could remain healthy. Due to his $5 million bonus due within the next month and a half, the Jets will likely cut him to realize the requisite cap savings of around $9 million before they would re-sign him.

It is true that the Jets need to plan for life after Cromartie, but he has emerged as a dependable leader and mentor among the young secondary over the last two years and would be a good veteran influence for the team in 2014 at the right price.

163 comments
Andrew Candela
Andrew Candela

I'd take haha clinton dix. He's played with dee milliner before and would make both more comfortable. We could use some help at safety too. There are less quality safeties than wr's, honestly we should find a proven wr to trade for or get in fa. If the secondary can just be average our defense would be amazing

harold
harold

We have to start living by the Bill Walsh philosophy.  Let players go a year early rather than a year late.  Cro may have a good year or two left.  But why gamble?  We are building a team for the long haul.  Let Cro walk.  Excellent Jet but his time seems to have come to end in my eyes

a57se
a57se

@Andrew Candela 

So you want to draft a Safety in a WR rich draft class and address the WR postition in a Safety rich Free Agency class?

Hmmmm....is this like reverse psychology or something?

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@a57seGood post. Excellent info. Looks like Evans from what I see, but everyone will have their preference.

The tough part of all of this is that we all have to wait until MAY 8TH this year to get any draft action. Until then we can count how many times each player moves up & down in the draft and in & out of the first round while we try not to go insane.

Marcus Armstrong
Marcus Armstrong

@a57se I loved these pieces. In a perfect world, I'm grabbing Odell Beckham Jr and Mike Evans, and it's a wonderful thing.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@a57se For me it's Evens then Benjamin like their size and deeper per avg..

It looks as if we want the screen game to be the staple then Watkins is the fit. But I personally like the bigger guys.

Stanley Bostitch
Stanley Bostitch

@a57se So are you thinking "deep threat Odel" or "Matthews-is-a-poor-man's-Watkins"? Or something else?

Brendan
Brendan

@harold I don't think it's fair to say his time has come to an end. He's 30 years old, but he's also one of the most athletic players the league has. He had a bad hip that bothered him before the season even started, but played through it. Honestly? If he doesn't, the Jets probably lose a couple of games that they won, I can't see them winning 8 games if Cro sits out 2 or 4 or however many games it'd take to get him healthy. 


If he can get back to 100% health, I see no reason why the team can't expect him to rekindle some of his 2012 magic. He hasn't hit the Ed Reed stage where his speed is starting to fail him, he's just got to get healthy. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@haroldCro is just turning 30, could sign for less than $6 million and likely will sign a 2-3 year deal that is cap friendly.  Grimes just had a great season at 30 and plenty of CBs have been at peak performance through their early thirties.  I agree with you, but that 1 year early could be 2 years from now.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

Yup...we are building for the future, the future is NOT 2014.

Brendan
Brendan

@johnnyl65 Watkins has no chance of being around at 18, though. 


I'm a big fan of Evans, I think he can be like Vincent Jackson and be a huge threat that uses his size to win deep balls. 

a57se
a57se

@Stanley Bostitch@a57se 

I really like Beckham Jr.........he is more than just a deep threat but that was just a function of Camerons' offense. 

I think Beckham is the prototype WR for MM's WCO.

I would definitely take him in the first round.

If we really want to go crazy at WR, Benjamin in the second if he is there.....

Mateen Kemet
Mateen Kemet

@Brendan @harold  thank you brendan. too many people think the NFL is like fantasy football or Madden.  These are real people and you have to factor so many things into your decision, not just oh a guy had a bad year or lost a step so get rid of him.


harold
harold

He is an athlete CB, not a technical guy.  His shelf life is not Champ Bailey.  Now that he is declining you move on and don't look back.  Just be glad it happened before you resigned him

harold
harold

Can we get the rest of the blog on board.  Sign a player if he is an upgrade maybe to a short term deal if you want to groom a replacement. 

But we don't want to sign guys, just because they are our guys and we remember what they used to do. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Marcus Armstrong


I'd be interested to see how Lee's #'s compare to his 2012 stats with a better QB throwing to him. 

Mateen Kemet
Mateen Kemet

@harold  he is not DECLINING, he was injured, played hurt all year for the team and his play suffered.  If he is healthy, then he's a top 10 corner based on 2012.  So why not bet on the healthy CRO on a cap friendly deal and draft his replacement this year in rd 3-4.  Someone like Desir or McGill or maybe Purifoy if he happens to fall.  all those guys are big and good M2M cover guys.  might evn through Watkins in there as a BU for nickel.


harold
harold

@bklyndude@harold


Your statement don't seem to mesh with reality.  Deion pretty much played bump and run on every down.  He played off very little.


I am chill I just try to pass along knowledge, if I state a wrong fact cool let me know.  If I state an opinion give me yours as a counter.


But when you state wrongly held assumptions as facts.  I feel the need to correct them.  That is it.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@harold @bklyndude  

I know that you didn't really see Deion..........

If that makes you feel better,  then OK,  I didn't really see Deion.   Maybe you're the only person to have ever seen him.    Geez,  dude take a chill pill.

harold
harold

@bklyndude


Please watch the tape because the more you speak the more I know that you didn't really see Deion.  I watched Deion from FSU to the pros.  You got the wrong guy if you think Deion played a lot of off man, sorry that is so wrong it not even close to being factual..

harold
harold

@johnnyl65@SackDance99@harold


You are trying to turn Deion into a zone CB now?  This is just ludicrous!  I sorry you missed seeing Deion play because you missed a great one.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@harold   

He didn't need to play a physical style.  I always felt he played off the WR because he was baiting QB's to throw his way because he wanted the INT's.  QB's eventually just stayed away from him.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to say Deion Sanders is in the same class as the most physical CB's to play in the NFL and every bit as physical as Sherman.  In my opinion,  I just didn't see it in Sanders as much.   I don't think anybody is knocking him.    He could be the top CB ever.

harold
harold

@bklyndude


You are mistaken as well go watch the game tape not the highlights and you will understand what I mean when I talk about a physical CB in pass coverage.  Deion was every bit a physical as Sherman in coverage and I would say more physical because he was stronger guy and had a better initial jam at the line.

harold
harold

@SackDance99@harold


You said Oh, now it's "as physical".  As though I had changed my mind. 


Next Ty Law was a more physical tackler.  But again at the line not a discernible difference.  I saw Deion battle Sterling Sharpe, Michael Irvin and Jerry Rice.  The former two definitely 2 of the most physical WR's in NFL annals.  He bumped them and pushed and battled them.  You mistake his lack of tackling as lack of physicality.  You my good man are mistaken.  Not sure where you were in the late 80's and 90's but sorry to break it to you.  But you missed few games.  Go watch the NFC championship games in '94 vs Irvin and '95 vs Rice and tell me he isn't physical.  I just think the perception has clouded your memory.  But don't fret you are not alone, but the tape don't lie. Go see for yourself.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@SackDance99 @harold 

When people think of Deion,  they think best pure cover CB ever.  He wasn't known for being overly physical nor was he considered a guy who liked to tackle.  Revis was able to play a more physical bump and run style.   And Richard Sherman being taller reminds me of Cromartie at his best but more physical, which was pretty damn good.

All three are really, really good.............

SackDance99
SackDance99

@haroldOkay, this is even more pointless because I don't know what I'm making up.  You said Deion was "one of the most physical" and sorry if I took that as meaning top 2 or 3....he wasn't.  I'm not sure he was in the top 10 and it's a silly thing to argue because after Ty Law (who was more physical) the opportunity to play like Haynes and Hayes played in the 80s, Woodson, Deion, and Lake played in the 90s, is over.

Sherman and Revis are, IMO, more physical than Deion...if they played in Deion's day, I have no doubt that nobody would've considered Deion more physical just like nobody considered Deion more physical than Woodson or Lake.  Deion's the best ever, but one of the most physical?  No way.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@SackDance99 @johnnyl65 @harold True Deion was back in zone not pressing at the line of scrimmage that is why he was hardly thrown at being back in zone he had the vision and closing speed to pick off nearly every ball thrown to his side.

harold
harold

Deion tackled when he first came in the league.

He made business decisions when he became a F/A.  Everyone does revisionist history in that regard.

But I digress.  My original point still stands Deion and Cro are disimilar because Cro does not like bump and Run man coverage.

Deion relished it, so they are very different players. 

SackDance99
SackDance99

@johnnyl65@SackDance99@haroldI think harold's definition of "physical" is limited to man-to-man coverage where the CB picks up the WR at the LOS.  My only problem with that was that Deion probably dropped off as much as he stayed at the LOS.  Heck, the guy could back pedal faster than must people could sprint forward, could stop on a dime and in a flash break up a pass or pick it off.  Most CBs can do one or the other well, but Deion could do both.


But, Deion wasn't "physical" against the run and wasn't a good tackler.

harold
harold

I always said one of the most phyiscal.

Not sure what you are making up as you go along.

I did not edit my comment go look at it.

In addition for johhnyI65

Deion was not a poor tackler.  He got his man on the ground.

But I already conceded he was not juggernaut tackler.

But in bump and run he was as physical as the other Law, Woodson and Lake.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@haroldOh, now it's "as physical"!  I merely said that being physical at the LOS wasn't all of Deion's game because he dropped off and read the QB's eyes so much.  Deion because of his size had to pick and choose his spots and his greatness was that he could tailor his game to his opponent and surprise bigger guys by getting in their face on occasion.  I said Deion was the best ever, he just wasn't the most physical...he was situationally physical.  Also, his game wasn't tackling or run support, even at the LOS (where he may have even been a liability against the run) and that detracts from considering him a "physical" CB and disqualifies him from the "most" physical conversation.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@SackDance99 @harold !True,anyone who ever watched Deion play knew he was allergic to tackling.He was a shutdown Corner but hardly what I would call physical in a contact way.

harold
harold

Yes I watched the games and he was listed heavier.  It is called being a real fan. 

I said at the LOS only.  And he was as physical as those guys at the line.  That is a fact! Not in dispute.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@haroldI wish I had a dollar for everyone who has questioned my football knowledge on this blog over the 7 years or so that I've been commenting.  Deion was listed at 195:


http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SandDe00.htm


Do you have any evidence he was ever heavier?  Maybe when he was largely a shadow of himself in Baltimore?  Also, you're the one that made the ludicrous statement that he was one of the most physical CBs in the past 35 years and he flatly wasn't that...was he physical, sure, but you raised the bar and he was not more physical than Woodson, Lake or Law and you don't (because you can't) dispute that; yet, you also concede he wasn't physical against the run...well, run support IS a part of a CB's game, right?.  Heck, I bet you'll say he was more physical than Hayes and Haynes with the 80s Raiders (again, he wasn't)...watch highlights of Super Bowl XVIII they held the Skins' WRs (Art Monk and Charlie Brown, who weren't exactly slouches) to just 4 catches playing man-to-man.


So, I don't care that you question my football knowledge because when somebody makes as ill-considered statement like Deion was "one of the most physical CB at the LOS in the last 35 years of football" (just not against the run, or when he was under 200 lbs, or when...well, you get the picture), then I know that person doesn't really know football, but is likely a fanboy that had a Deion poster in his childhood bedroom.  No offense.....

harold
harold

You don't know CB's I cannot continue this discussion.  You do not have knowledge on the subject, no offense.  Deion was just under 200 early in his career.  He finished his career in the 205 to 210 range because he was almost 6'2".

Lastly if you think these guys were more physical run stoppers yes.  At the line, Deion was as physical as anyone.  Again your perception is way off from the reality.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@haroldYeah, he was a regular Rod Woodson or Carnell Lake, or Ty Law out there.  No offense, but you're analysis is sorely lacking and I did say that "Cro is no Deion".  Deion wasn't even 200 lbs and while he often was physical (he COULD be physical), he often liked to play off to read the QB's eyes.  You're hyperbolic "one of the most physical CB at the LOS in the last 35 years of football" is a silly comment because being physical at the LOS wasn't all of Deion's game, while it WAS the game of guys like Woodson, Lake and, most notably, Law.


Now, Deion was the best cover CB that I ever saw, but he just wasn't the most physical and he was a downright indifferent tackler, while Woodson, Lake and Law could make your teeth rattle.  So, while you think my assessment is poor, yours is poorer and suffers from unbridled and incorrect hyperbole.

harold
harold

Your assesment in this regard is poor.  No offense but Deion was one of the most physical CB at the line of scrimmage in the last 35 years of Football.  Of that their is little dispute. 

What you are referring to is his closing speed yes when playing off it was deadly.  But Deion rarely played off coverage.  Most of picks were because he would disrupt the route early and sit on the only option he left the WR.  So if he jammed you hard inside he would jump the slant or in.

If he jammed you hard outside he would sit on the Go or out.  That is Deion.  Cro's game in no way resembles Deion.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@johnnyl65@SackDance99@haroldCro's problems are entirely between his ears.  He can do it all at CB, he just has a tendency not to do what he should do even though he knows how to do it, like jam a WR or make a solid form tackle.  He's an enigma to his coaches and I'm for bringing him back only because I think he'd be good relative value.


The Jets should think about the future and groom somebody to replace him, but until that CB is ready (and I'm not sure any of Lankster, Walls, Berry or Trufant are the answers), Cro's a quality stop gap.

SackDance99
SackDance99

@haroldI wouldn't say that Deion was "extremely technical and physical" at the LOS.  He often dropped off because of his ridiculous closing speed and peerless ball skills...I'm just saying that 30 isn't old for a CB and if the idea is to transition Cro back to RCB, he'd be more than qualified to do that well for 2 more years, at least, barring injury.

harold
harold

Deion was extremely technical and physical at the line.  Cro is not that, if he were I would say resign him now!

SackDance99
SackDance99

@haroldNow, Cro isn't Deion, but Deion was THE athlete CB and he played well into his 30s....

Pat d
Pat d

That's the fifth time today I've been called brilliant

Pat d
Pat d

The blog has nothing to do with what the team does

harold
harold

You probably have to do a five year deal, but for cap purposes it would essentially be a 4 year deal.  Certainly not a bad idea.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

That works out really nice with Milliner coming on board in 2013...sign a new guy for 3 - 4 years this way when Milliners' post rookie deal is coming up, you are getting the guy signed this year off the books.

harold
harold

Cro doesn't even need surgery.  No offense but we have no guarantee he will be much better. 

There are too many options in F/A to take a chanc eon Cro.  Move on and get yourself a good scheme fit player who is younger.

a57se
a57se

@Bytor@harold 

Yeah, we would have to draft a CB to groom if we resign Cro...preferable someone who isn't too far away which means a higher round pick.

Bytor
Bytor

@harold If it works out that we sign Cro we all know it's a 2-3 year deal and we need to draft/groom his replacement. I don't get too misty eyed about past success. I think most of us root for the jersey. Except for Sheldon in my case. I'd watch a reality show of that guy simply livin' no matter what team he's on.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

I hear ya, plus I would take an opposite opinion if it ever happened just so we weren't in lock step.......nothing worse then Lemmings.

harold
harold

I don't really care if they get on board,  just banter.

a57se
a57se

@harold 

Getting the Blog on board never works and isn't necessary........people have thier own opinions and I prefer that over group-speak any day of the week.

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

@harold The rest of the blog? fat chance of that but in philosophy I agree in most cases except maybe cases such as Pace where he is still highly productive and takes the pay cut just to be with the team.