Open Thread: Super Bowl XLVIII

Super Bowl Football

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

In case anyone wants to discuss Super Bowl XLVII, please feel free to use this thread! 

Seattle Seahawks against Denver BroncosSome statisticians have already asserted in the last week that this Super Bowl game could be one for the ages.  Why?  When you take one of the best offenses the league has ever seen and pit it against one of the best defenses the league has seen, it could make for quite the match-up.  So in such a game, who do you choose?  Irresistible object or immovable force?  From my perspective, I have to consider the other units.  Obviously the Broncos defense hasn’t been in the same class as the offense, but the group, led by Pot “Roast” has been getting hot at the right time.  Can the same be for the Seahawks offense, which has looked lukewarm during their playoff run?  While hyper-delicate, Seattle receiver Percy Harvin is the man that could change everything for the Seahawks tonight … but can he stay healthy and on the field?


Who do you think will win? What plays stand out during the course of tonight’s game?  What’s the determining factor between who wins and loses?  Was the halftime show any good?  What do you think was your favorite/least favorite commercial?




120 comments
Joe De Sr.
Joe De Sr.

Can anyone actually believe that pathetic Geno would stand a chance against either of the Super Bowl entries? Don't make me laugh!!!!

Matt
Matt

Broadway Joe's Coat = Epic!

Peter G
Peter G

I think what makes the Hawks D so dominant is the depth, at all levels, but especially the secondary. Browner goes down, no problem you have Thurmond & Maxwell fill in.. I hope Idzik was able to steal a couple of scouts from there because its crazy how they formed the back end of that defense with late round picks...

bradysucks
bradysucks


Hey Brendan,


One of those "midget" QB's who you always say don't belong in the NFL just won the super bowl!

Manziel please....


5 foot 9 just kicked the crap out of 6 foot 6 in the super bowl......


BUSTED





bob
bob

Gotta love Joe Namath. Nobody and I mean No body including the Seahawks could beat the 1969 New York Jets!  Nobody! not even the 85 bears! 


Nobody and I mean Nobody can beat Joe Namath and the 69 New York Jets!

J. Smooth
J. Smooth

I was in absolute awe of Kam Chancellor tonight. That dude is bigger than their linebackers, and faster than the Denver receivers. Damn. I don't care what we do, I want somebody like THAT on my team. Genetically engineer someone, I don't know. 

Brendan
Brendan

The Jets saw their blueprint win the Super Bowl tonight, in their stadium, hopefully that's all the motivation they need for next season. 

Brendan
Brendan

I thought defense doesn't win championships anymore? Oops? 

a57se
a57se

OK, so according to Harolds arguments, Geno is gonna lead us to the SB this season, I mean he played as well as Wilson his rookie season!

jdb4
jdb4

@Peter G Look up safety Deone Bucannon from Washington State.  I think he will be in the Jets conversation if he slips to the 3rd round (after a poor Senior Bowl week I think he'll slip)  


Big like Chancellor (not as big)  play style almost the same as Brian Dawkins.  He would take over for Landry in one season.

levi
levi

@Peter G  Just to find guys that big who can run like that is hard not to mention to have skill to go with it.

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks  Wilson is 5'11", which is what I think Manziel actually is. 


Wilson is a better QB than Manziel and Wilson was much more mentally ready for the NFL and everything playing in it entails. Think about last night, how many hits did Wilson take? Like...three? Sure, there are weeks where he gets knocked around (happens to everyone), but he's excellent at not taking hits, so his lack of size is only really an issue for him when it comes to finding throwing lanes. And since he has a high-point release, that's mostly negated anyway. 


Manziel's mechanics need work. And I'm not sure if it was you, but someone said that Manziel only runs to extend plays, he's not a "running QB," which is just outrageous. The guy is always looking to take off, and doing that in the NFL with his style will get him killed. He's looking more and more like the 2nd coming of Michael Vick. He'll do some crazy stuff, blow us all away a couple times a season, but he'll get hurt more and more frequently the more he plays and his style will never lend itself to elongated success. You're caught up in the hype. 

levi
levi

@bradysucks  Wilson is 5'11'' or at least thats what he said in his interview a couple times.

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@Brendan  yeah, if this is the model that Idzik is using to re-shape our team, well....next season can't come soon enough.

4EverMets
4EverMets

@Brendan Their D has a way to go in order to be able to win a championship. Seattle's D makes tackles, hits very hard, and covers receivers very, very well. The Jets don't come close to doing enough of that. When was the last time you saw the Jets hit Welker that hard? Did you see the Hawks miss any tackles or let a receiver out of their grasp? That's what a DOMINANT D does!!

Marty Luc
Marty Luc

@Brendan  agree 100%!  i just saw what the jets could look like with a solid draft and impact free agent signings. the blueprint has been laid out. just follow it. 


improvement from geno, safeties that can cover and hit and 2-3 more playmakers on offense and we could be seeing the jets do the same thing seattle did in a year or two. 

harold
harold

@a57se


I was relaxing tonight and didn't plan to post again.  You didn't respond to this post on the other thread but now that you bring it up I will re-post it here.


My point about their rookie seasons was in the 1st half they were both wildly inconsistent. 


For context if we look at the 1st 7 games I think the comparison becomes more clear.


Geno was asked to do much more over his 1st 7 games than Russell Wilson


In fact Geno passed for more yards 1723 to Wilson's 1230


He out rushed him 146 to 119


He produced more total TD's than Wilson 9 to 8.


To be fair Geno had more INT's 11 to 7.


So when I make the comparison it has a lot of merit.


Their rookie seasons are not equal because Russell Wilson's was better.  But they are not as dissimilar as you think either.


If Geno can replicate his last 4 games over a full season he would produce 30 total TD's 3200 yards passing and 600 yards rushing with

8 INT's.


Seeing how Wilson was able to begin to fix the issues that held him back since week 8 of his rookie year.


Let's see if Geno can continue the progress he has made since week 13 of his rookie year.


My point for anyone who is listening again is the light turns on at some point for talented players who accept coaching.  For some it takes a little longer than others.  But five games difference in one player turning it up vs. another is not a huge deal when we are talking hopefully about a 12-15 year career.

levi
levi

@a57se  Wilson did not win that SB if thats what you are saying. That D is really good.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

It's Bradysucks B, of course he is caught in the hype. Geno was the second coming last year for him. Weedan before that.

Brendan
Brendan

@4EverMets I didn't say they're as good as the Seahawks, I said that's their blueprint. The Jets' front seven is close to being as good as Seattle's, they just have a much better secondary right now. I was speaking more towards the defense/power running/deep passing identity being able to win it all in this league, which people seemed to think was a laughable stance to take as recently as this morning. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

You forgot Russell Wilson. I wanted to draft him also.

brian4321
brian4321

@Brendan @brian4321 You said the Saints are most definitely an elite offense. They are, at home in the dome, but it is night and day playing them home as compared to the dome.

Brendan
Brendan

@brian4321 I don't get what point you're proving? That the Jets aren't elite (which I agreed with)? 

brian4321
brian4321

@Brendan @brian4321You can throw the Falcons in there as well. So five games on the road they didn't score 20 points. The Jet game was one three times they did reach 20.

Brendan
Brendan

@brian4321 So the Saints face elite defenses (or close to them) on the road and struggle? 

brian4321
brian4321

@Brendan @4EverMets 

The Saints have an elite offense at home in the dome, they did not have an elite offense on the road this season.  The Rams, Carolina, Seattle, Tampa all held the Saints in the teens or less.

Zartan
Zartan

Had a love hate thing for Vinny, he never wanted to hand the ball off, he telegraphed the ones he did (like Geno).it's a wonder C.Martin got the yards he did.

Zartan
Zartan

I can be wrong but I felt that first half was do to some players being upset because they would not be there next season. It's the best way for me to understand that 1st half.

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

He does have sick arms....I like when he makes one armed tackles on rbs...coples health this year is important because hes on the verge of being dominant

Brendan
Brendan

@4EverMets I'm not saying it's luck at all to win the turnover battle. Half of that is not turning over (a skill). And teams that force more fumbles tend to recover more. The Jets' issue isn't their positioning on fumbles, it's the fact that they forced the third fewest fumbles in the league. Fewer opportunities, fewer recoveries. 

4EverMets
4EverMets

@Brendan I think you just said the magic words, football IQ!! That is huge!! It means having an instinct for the game. thus being in the right place at the right time. That's not luck!! Now that's something that just maybe the Jet's D lacks and it is very important.

4EverMets
4EverMets

@Brendan @4EverMets So you don't see how the good teams always seem to find the ball where the bad teams lose the ball? You credit luck as to why a good team seems to win the turnover battle every week? There has to be more to it than luck!


Brendan
Brendan

@harold Chancellor had a fantastic game, that play was so nice to see as a fan of good defensive play. I think they have instinctive players up front, but Davis playing in the middle and having such a low football IQ definitely hurts. I liked seeing Milliner stuck to Reed's hip late in the season, that's one of the biggest reasons I want Reed back, besides his obvious on-field pluses. 

Brendan
Brendan

@4EverMets To clarify, forcing fumbles is a skill. Recovering them is luck. You can't learn to be in the right place for an unpredictable event like the bounce of a fumbled football. 

4EverMets
4EverMets

@Brendan @4EverMets You make your own luck by being in the right place and doing the right thing by falling on the ball instead of trying to pick it up. Funny how the elite teams always get the ball either on the turnover or they are able to retrieve their own fumbles.

harold
harold

@levi @Brendan


the Jets defense lacks instinctive players.  That what Reed added that was critical.  That is why he needs to come back.  When you have a good front you have to be able to understand the game and take smart risks.


The play where Chancellor carried the seam and then came off and made the play on Welker is real football.  that is the game if you do that you dictate to the offense not the other way around.  You make them think I need to trick you to beat you and that is never good for a team.

levi
levi

@Brendan Its hard to believe how few turnovers they get with that front generating constant pressure. 

4EverMets
4EverMets

@Brendan @4EverMets Glad that  you brought  up the turnover battle. Jet's D NEVER seems to turn the ball over and that's a huge part of being an elite D. Those come from hard hits, having a nose for the ball and being athletic enough to catch the ball when it hits your hands. How many times have we seen a pass into a Jet's defenders hands and they drop the ball? Or the ball gets fumbled and of course the Jet just cannot come up with the ball. This drives me crazy as I watch every team they play have no problem getting turnovers from the Jets.

Brendan
Brendan

@levi I want Reed back so badly, I think his constant harping on TO's will ingrain it into the minds of the players that they should always be looking to force them. 


I also think it's only a matter of time before Coples starts swiping at QB's and causing fumbles. His arms are ridiculously long and that's a skill the team should focus on with him. Even when he's blocked he can get a sack with that length. 

levi
levi

@Brendan Our D also needs to generate turnovers somehow. Thats what Seattle does well. Reed did help the cause with his picks and by giving Milliner confidence to take chances knowing Reed is back there.

Brendan
Brendan

@4EverMets 


Okay, you're hitting different points here. First, the Jets D is not overrated. No one thinks it's the top D in the league, but it is solidly above average and a top-10 unit. With a full offseason of Ed Reed (fingers crossed) and some sort of work done at CB, the defense is young and hungry. I think you're vastly underrating the impact the defensive front will have next year, especially if it gets a full year out of Coples and Barnes. The pass rush has "scary good" potential, the type of front that can decide games single-handedly. 


The Seattle defense is fast, and that's the biggest area where it's different than the Jets', but the Jets have infused a lot of youth into their defense, it's not as far off as you make it seem. 


Let's also not forget that the Jets punished their fair share of good offenses lately, too, including pummeling the Saints (who are most definitely an elite offense). The Jets' defense needs a few pieces, but it's close to being elite. 


The biggest thing for the Jets next year will (once again) be turnovers. Rex's record when winning the turnover battle is ridiculously good, but they've never been able to consistently do it because of their QB's. If Geno (or whoever is the QB) limits the TO's, this team is primed to surprise people. 

4EverMets
4EverMets

@Brendan @harold '98 team had much better balance. D and O were not dominant but were very good and Vinny was golden that year. They did not beat themselves all year until the AFC title game in Denver.

4EverMets
4EverMets

@Brendan @4EverMets D does win championships and I agree with you to a point, but in this NFL and in the Pats division, unless the D is Hawks, Bears. or Ravens dominant, you still need some offense to win 12-13 games. Imho. Jet's D is overrated and nowhere near the level that you saw tonight. Jets have too many missed tackles, stupid penalties and don't hit like you saw tonight. Seattle punished the Denver offense!

Brendan
Brendan

@harold That 2010 team was as good a Jets team as I've ever watched, I think it was better than the '98 squad. Shame that they didn't trust their identity enough to stick with it in Pittsburgh. 

harold
harold

@Brendan @4EverMets


Brendan, this is why I was always part of the reason I was mad we didn't make it to the Super Bowl on 2009 and 2010.  Because with our D and Rex game-planning for one game.  I just didn't see many scenarios where we lose.  Hopefully our time is coming sooner than later.