John is approaching it very much like we did in Tampa. You’re not using free agency to build your team. You’re using it to fill in. You want to build for the long haul and take in the short run just little steps that are going to help you. I think John has a great plan I’m looking forward to seeing it unfold with the Jets. I hope people don’t become impatient because I really do believe building through the draft in the long run is the way to go.”

- Tony Dungy on John Idzik’s plan (Source: Jets Official Site)




— Quote: Dungy on Idzik’s plan
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Scott Bruckenstein
Scott Bruckenstein

Building through the draft is all fine and dandy, but it takes some luck, all the other teams have draft picks too. Have to have faith that he will keep drafting well.

Eventually he will have to bring in more free agents.

Even Seattle did, even though people like to think they went all through draft.

Plus they got lucky with Wilson, jury is out on Geno, Wilson showed it fron year one, Geno hasn't.

Brian
Brian

Idzik's master plan, building through the draft and sprinkling in some FA's. Ingenious. Not like 80% of all the other GM's haven't had this idea since FA was instrumented. Idzik is sitting "bwa hahahaha..... I have a master plan to build through free agency, no one will be able to figure it out, bwa hahahah".

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

To John Idzik:

Re: GM101


Free Agency is to fill holes.  The draft is for the future.  Woody wants "to win now".

Don't you think you were a bit slow on the draw this FA season?


Sincerely,

Thousands of Jets fans


ukjetsfan
ukjetsfan

@James  Would be happy if SJB was there in the 2nd for us.

Bent
Bent moderator

@brian  I don't think he's keeping his grand plan a secret.  They've been pretty forthright about their ongoing plans.  I also don't think he's asking for anyone to pat him on the back or call him a genius.

Brendan
Brendan

@brian  You think 80% of the teams build themselves the same way? 

Brendan
Brendan

@Lloyd Jay Reife  


Dear Thousands of Jets fans,


I know what I'm doing, you don't. 


Sincerely,


The Head Man In Charge. 

Tom in Raleigh
Tom in Raleigh

Exactly. All he is done is rescue the team from cap hell, draft the DROY and a starting CB, QB of the future (juries still out though) and land the best available WR and QB in free agency and get the team a massive 12 draft picks.

What a tool.

a57se
a57se

@ukjetsfan @James 

I doubt rex would approve picking this guy....he shies away from contact.

Tom in Raleigh
Tom in Raleigh

I'd be hard pressed to tell you who the big name free agents the Steelers are that they have brought in over the years that put them over the top to win it all.

As I recall, their monstrous LB corps has be all home grown and replaced the moment those guys become free agents with the next man up.

Mike Larry
Mike Larry

@Tom in Raleigh  Vick had completion % was worse than Geno's and he lost his job last year. How was he the best QB available? 

Mike Larry
Mike Larry

@Tom in Raleigh Vick's completion % was worse than Geno's and he lost his job last season, How is he the best QB available?

Mike Larry
Mike Larry

@Tom in Raleigh Vick had a completion % was lower than Geno's and lost his job to a backup. How is the the best available QB?

Bent
Bent moderator

@harold @Bent @ukjetsfan @High$ocietyJet @Brendan  


"Still not sure how he was a top ten prospect."


Production + Measurables = Top Ten Prospect in those days.  Now they take into account ability too!


I watched every snap of the OSU/UM game where he "beat Jake Long for three sacks" and basically he did nothing against Long all day other than one sack where Long (not renowned as a good pass protector back then) got out of his stance too slowly.  Long handled him in the running game all day and Gholston picked up two sacks against the overmatched RT Steve Schilling (who is a journeyman backup GUARD at the NFL level).  However, that game forged his reputation as a big time prospect.



ukjetsfan
ukjetsfan

@High$ocietyJet @Brendan  You look back now and you realise how weak the 2008 draft class was though.


I seem to remember us all complaining of that given we had a high pick that year

Brendan
Brendan

@harold I talked myself into him because they needed an edge rusher, but I was never hard-selling for him. I also believe I was a fan of Sedrick Ellis. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@ukjetsfan @High$ocietyJet @Brendan  Yeah, it was widely considered a six player draft, with Gholston being the sixth guy.  I can remember that TJB's readers (including myself) were very down on Gholston being the pick, whereas some other Jets fan sites seemed to want him more than anyone for some reason.


There weren't too many other realistic options.  Leodis McKelvin was perhaps the next most likely and he wasn't that great either.

Brendan
Brendan

@High$ocietyJet Gholston was a very popular mock selection for the Jets that year. I remember the fans were pushing for McFadden pretty hard as well. 

Brendan
Brendan

@ukjetsfan Enough time has passed that I think it's okay. I just gotta hope Hank doesn't see me say that, or he will rain down fury the likes of which I've never seen. The idea that the Mangenius got schooled by his mentor would be too much for him. 

Brendan
Brendan

@High$ocietyJet The worst part about the Gholston pick, for me, is that I am 100% convinced the Jets got bluffed into making it by Belichick. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@High$ocietyJet @Bent @Tom in Raleigh  


Gholston.


Backloading all the cap hits in the 2011 deals was risky too and didn't pay off (despite a lot of people lauding him as a genius at the time).

High$ocietyJet
High$ocietyJet

@Bent @Tom in Raleigh  Between what you just mentioned the final 8 rule and the rookie wage scale changing after Sanchez was drafted Tanny really was unfortunate

Bent
Bent moderator

@Tom in Raleigh  People seem to be forgetting that the Jets operated a similarly frugal strategy in 2006 and 2007, leading them into the situation where they had a bunch of cap room in 2008.


In those days it was harder to move money between years too (albeit not impossible) and once entering the all-in stage, Tannenbaum was beset with issues from the cap not increasing as expected.


People won't like to hear it, but this is more or less the same long term plan that Tannenbaum undertook.  He's just not starting from a point of being in cap hell as badly as the 2005/6 Jets were.

Tom in Raleigh
Tom in Raleigh

@reprocity You are correct, they did. Which is sort of the point. Here and there with modestly priced FA like we did with Decker this year. They don't sign many FAs, and none of the big names.

Tom in Raleigh
Tom in Raleigh

@Brendan Agreed. There is no guarantee. If there were, the two times in my life I have predicted a Jets Super Bowl win would have come to pass.

Agreed though. This seems a much more sustainable way. Both work, but one lasts. Tammy pushed all the chips to the middle in 2010 and it almost worked. The team has been paying for that ever since.

Brendan
Brendan

@Tom in Raleigh  Sustainable success comes from plans like Idzik's. It's not a guarantee, he could whiff on this draft and that could sink his tenure, but this is the plan smart teams use. He might be a bit too conservative, but I'd rather be conservative while building around one of the youngest roster in the league than too aggressive. You don't screw yourself by not signing big-ticket FA's, you screw yourself by overpaying players to fill holes because "Omg it's March and we don't have a starting CB yet!" 

Monty
Monty

@Brendan @jake100 

every time someone says they can roll the cap forward . I wonder weather they understand the cap is going to go up.. a lot. And while the class of 15 free agents looks good with that cap space and the franchise tag I wouldn't be holding out hope... I would be filling our hole with good players. 

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

@Brendan    I realize your strong devotion to the Jets as most of us.  You also seem to have a knowledge of the team....however, you mostly  "reply" to other posters' opinions  in your defense of the Jets.

Do the Jets (no sarcasm intended) ever do wrong in your view?


Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 Like what? Compromise cap space so they can sign aging stars to make a couple of babies stop making noise? 



Every time someone cries about not spending money I question whether the understand the concept of rolling the cap space forward. 

bklyndude
bklyndude

@Mike Larry @Tom in Raleigh

Feel free to tell us who is the best backup available. 

And Foles was the backup because he was young.  He got his chance and put up great numbers.  Is that Vicks' fault ?