Quote: Idzik has ‘no regrets’

“We have no regrets.”

-GM John Idzik on not signing any top cornerbacks in free agency




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Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

How does bemoaning who we should have signed, didn't sign, let Revis walk help us on this day?

Jeff E. Guy
Jeff E. Guy

"I have regrets"
-- Jet Fan Jeff E. Guy on the signing of John Idjit



Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

This guy is in way over his head. He never should have allowed DRC to leave Florham Park without signing a contract. Even if the money was the same or slightly less - which it apparently was - all the Giants needed to do was show DRC their 4 Super Bowl Trophies compared to the 2 AFC East Championship banners the Jets have amassed since the AFL/NFL merger in 1970. The Jets needed him & they allowed him to go to their big brother, possibly putting them over the top this season. A good GM would never let that happen.

Peter G
Peter G

What nobody mentions because of DRC is the Giants signing of Thurmond III. This guy was a productive player for Sea and got essentially the same deal as Patterson, gotta figure Idzik woulda been all over that with the Sea ties, I know he served a ped suspension but so did half their secondary..

williamg1
williamg1

Jets fans are in midseason form. 

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

It's so funny how people read into this 'regret' nonsense. 


You can regret something, but it doesn't mean you made an unwise decision at the time you made it. 


If I leave my house at the same time every day and drive to work the same way everyday and one day I get in a car accident, I didn't make an unwise decision at the time that I kept to my routine. Would I regret it afterwards and wish I stayed home that day? Sure. 


Of course, Idzik can't say he wished he did anything different or everyone would jump all over it but even if he did say it, it wouldn't mean that his initial decision making was faulty.

jaygo
jaygo

Nothing like a little manufactured controversy to bring out the haters. If you or a media guy weren't screaming for a CB all off-season, It's hard for me to listen to you or them get on Mr Id. now.  Especially since the same crowd has been dumping on Milliner relentlessly, 


I for one think the CB position is the most overrated in the sport under the current rules.  If QBs get time to throw, receivers will catch passes.  A good CB is like a good MLB hitter:  If he makes a play one out of three times he's a star.  Pass rush and safety play has surpassed CB play to control an opposing offense.  And, CBs get hurt a lot.  Never did the math but would bet they come up with injuries as much if not more than any position.  CB need to be good tacklers in today's game as much as pass defenders.  The problem with Cromartie is he is a bad tackler which is why SD got rid of him and why the Jets had no problem letting him go.  


I would rather have a good CB than a bad one.  That said, the play up front is the only way to combat the pass happy NFL which is pass happy because defenders can't  hit or touch the receiver. Bad to see a 3rd round pick lost for the season.  Milliner will be back early in the season if not game 1.  Patterson likely will return to his prior form and at least be adequate.  Pryor will be a big improvement in the back.  No worried yet.

bradysucks
bradysucks

We have no regrets  - John Idzik


Everybody has regrets......and I mean everybody......


This is a typical spin.......


I am impressed with Rex moving Allen to CB....Very creative and smart on Rex's part.......Its ironic because Rex might save Idzik's job (instead of the other way around)

lindro88
lindro88

Rex will figure it out. Defense won't be at fault if this team has a bad season.

marcus81
marcus81

even a bad Cro is better than what we have if Milliner can't play

bobbyj
bobbyj

Of corse he doesn't care/have regrets his ass isn't getting canned at the end of the season. Bottom line letting Revis stroll to NE when he clearly wanted to here was retarded

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

Jets needed an outside CB & Thurmond, through his own admission, is a slot CB & struggles when he is put outside. With that being said, the Thurmond signing by the Giabts was huge. However, had Idzik signed him, the Jets would've had a logjam of slot CBs with Wilson & McDougle. No one could've foreseen McD going down, and after drafting him the Jets weren't in need of a slot CB anymore. Nevertheless, they were weak at the outside CB position all offseason & even if Millner was 100% right now, they'd still be weak there. Millner's injury just shines a spotlight on the lack of depth at a key position & that falls squarely on Idzik's shoulders. One guy they should have gone after was former Giants CB Terrell Thomas. Thomas had a terrific year last year after returning from what was seen as a career-ending injury the year before (suffered against the Jets I believe). Of the 3 starting CBs for the Giants last year (who had a top 10 total defense; they finished 8th overall I believe) - Prince Amukamara, Terrell Thomas, and Corey Webster - Thomas was by far the best man-coverage CB on the team. He went deep into this offseason without being signed due to concerns over his balky knees before Seattle (I believe) signed him to a very reasonable 1 year deal, so he was available for the Jets to grab. Regardless, I don't see them standing pat right now. No matter what he or anyone else says, Millner isn't going to be 100% this year at any point. High ankle sprains take a long time to heal & they are very susceptible to being reinjured because the ligaments & tendons in the ankle are very weak. It takes at least 6 full months to completely heal from a high ankle sprain; he & the Jets would have been better off had he just broken the thing. As a result of that, I see the Jets signing one of the available FA CBs out there, most likely either Assante Samuel or Corey Webster. I would put my money on Samuel due to his familiarity with the Patriots & the Rex/Idzik obsession with signing players who have Patriots blood. The question will be, though, whether either one of those guys at their current age can play outside or if they're relegated to playing a nickel/slot CB due to their diminished skill level. Idzik tried to sign some solid CBs in Varner & DRC, but he struck out & now he has the Jets standing behind the 8-ball.

Ron Alexander
Ron Alexander

@jaygo I dont think I'm a hater but i have been complaining about him since his first draft that thus far has produced one player of positive note.lets not even get into this most recent draft plus his bungling of the free agent market this past off season.

Kevin Joseph Patrick
Kevin Joseph Patrick

Dude, for the reasons why you think CB is the most overrated position is the exact reason why it is probably the most important position on defense. It is absolutely imperative that a team has at least one guy who can go stride for stride & shadow the opposing team's #1 WR. In years past you could mask a weak secondary by having an outstanding pass rush; that is exactly what the Giants did with their 2 most recent Super Bowl runs. Now, teams have created quick hit offenses that neutralizes the pass rush. The majority of passes in the NFL are quick, 3 or 5 step drops, quickly hitting the WR once he gets a step on his man. The only way a pass rush is affective in the NFL today is if you have a shutdown CB that forces the QB to go through his progressions, which subsequently forces the QB to hold on to the ball longer than he wants, and allows the pass rush to get to him. The only other way a pass rush is affective today is if you send an overload blitz, hoping to get to the QB within 2.5 seconds, before he releases the ball. You need shutdown corners even more so for that type of pass rush because you are leaving your DBs 1-on-1 with the receivers. If you don't have guys that can cover, you're giving up big plays each time you send extra guys to get after the QB.

You're entitled to your opinion, but you don't have to listen to just me on this. Look at the Seahawks last year. The Seahawks were only as good & as dominant as they were because of their superior secondary, namely their shutdown, cover corners. Take a look at the moves the NY Giants made this offseason. They are a team that has relied on the pass rush for a long time & have had success with it. However, they are seeing how the NFL is changing, too. Over the past 2 offseasons they allowed three very good pass rushers to leave via free agency & didn't even bother giving them competitive offers; in 2013 they let Osi Umenyiora go, and this offseason they let Justin Tuck & Linval Joseph leave. They took that money & instead of revamping the pass rush, they signed DRC, Walter Thurmond III, and Quinton Demps. They've also added DBs with valuable picks the past 2 drafts. If a team like the NY Football Giants are realizing that in order to win you need to have an elite secondary over a solid pass rush, then you should take notice. A few years ago, after drafting JPP, Jerry Reese stated, "You can never have too many pass rushers." The mantra now should be, "You can never have too many shutdown cover cornerbacks."

bradysucks
bradysucks

@jaygo


I'd agree with most of what you wrote but there ARE some incredibly talented receivers in the NFL and you DO need to have a good secondary in today's NFL.........The defending Super Bowl Champs are proof positive

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks Idzik knows what most fans are ignoring: he wouldn't have been able to keep the young core of the defense intact if he signed a big $ CB. That's the priority moving forward. 

a57se
a57se

@marcus81 

Oh no, Marcus...didn't you see the PFF stats from last year that brendan posted??

Cro was like one of the worst CB's in the league...anybody would be an upgrade!

Ron Alexander
Ron Alexander

@Kevin Joseph Patrick Obviously you missed the playoffs and the super bowl where Thurmond excelled in place of the injured Browner.The Idzik apologist are becoming as numerous as the Rex apologists!

jaygo
jaygo

@bradysucks @jaygo


I would argue the defending SB Champs won that game by pressuring Manning up front.  Richard Sherman didn't win that or too many games for them.


Not saying you don't need a good secondary.  You do.  Just that's it's a bit overrated in importance under the current rules.

williamg1
williamg1

@Brendan @bradysucks Stop with this. Quality CBs in FA didn't break the bank. In fact, they were cheaper than anyone expected. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Brendan @bradysucks


That isn't true though.....He could have signed a number of CB's to shorter term deals.....He had plenty of money....


Idzik has a plan....I get it.......but he was also asleep at the wheel and passed on a number of players who would have upgraded the team in a big way. He did it in free agency and in the draft...


I encourage putting aside money for guys like Mo and Boss Hogg......but I think Idzik overdid it with the FRUGALITY......Tannenbaum was one extreme and Idzik is the opposite extreme......I prefer an approach somewhere in the middle

specialk
specialk

@a57se Yeah people forget you had Cro ranked something like 120th last year and Milliner we know was a complete mess benched 3 times.  They still won 8 games with no offense on top of it.  Every team is going to get shredded by QB's this year with the edict that they the refs need to be even more stingier on calling defensive holding.  It's a huge overreaction by everyone freaking out right now.  

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se So where would you rank Cromartie's performance last year? 

BDarc23
BDarc23

@a57se The only thing Cro was good at last year was grabbing the opponents jersey as they ran by him.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@jaygo @bradysucks


I'd rather have a dominant d-line than a dominant secondary so I agree....


That being said.....Kyle Wilson and Patterson as the starting DB's against the Patriots and the better passing teams seems like a huge challenge to overcome......


If Antonio Allen can be converted to a CB and do the job well it would be very impressive

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 Not sure about that. A few were (Verner/The Captain), but some were more expensive (Talib/Davis, for example). 

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks But they are holding true to "build through the draft," which people were clamoring for at the low points in Tanny's reign. Jets fans are the worst offenders of the "grass is always greener" mentality. 

jaygo
jaygo

@bradysucks @Brendan Would you have signed DRC for $35MM for 7 years like the Giants did?  Just wondering.

Brendan
Brendan

@specialk Cro was 108th out of 110 in coverage grade per PFF. I only know this because for some reason we've been discussing Cromartie for hours today and I've looked it up twice. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Brendan @bradysucks


I agree with building through the draft....but they didn't draft any CB's until round 3 and then they took Dixon in round 7......


Taking Dennard would have been building the CB position through the draft. McDougal was a complete gamble. I like the kid but few people viewed him as a 3rd round pick. I've heard the argument that he was high on a bunch of team's boards but I still have my doubts about whether or not he'd have been there in round 5 had the Jets passed on drafting him....


It made sense to add a CB in free agency and the Jets tried to sign DRC and possibly some other CB's but the word is that Idzik was too slow and "asleep at the wheel." He underestimated the demand for good CB's in free agency and was outbid by a lot.....


You can be frugal and smart......but there is a fine line......being too frugal isn't good either

bradysucks
bradysucks

@jaygo @bradysucks @Brendan


I think Idzik should have given somebody a deal with most of the guaranteed money paid out in 2014 and 2015. This would have given the Jets the opportunity to cut bait after 2015. There were plenty of CB's available this offseason. I think Cro would have accepted this kind of deal...


A 7 year deal for DRC isn't really a 7 year deal.....Most teams pay a certain amount of guaranteed money upfront and then give themselves the option to cut or release that player down the road so that they can free up money if necessary

BDarc23
BDarc23

@a57se @Brendan It's kind of funny that when when Brendan and Bent were making excuses about his phantom hip injury you weren't having any of it... don't flip now

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks  They drafted a CB in the first round last year. So, in the past two drafts, they've used a 1st and a 3rd, banking on them being future starters. It may work out, it may not, but you can't go shooting your wad for every pretty FA that comes through the door. Stay true to the plan, that's how you build sustained winning in the absence of a Tom Brady-type QB situation. 


If the team wasn't coming off an 8-8 up-and-down year, I'd be right there with you being pissed that they didn't bring one of these guys in. But they are still young, still need to find themselves. And they'll need to lock these guys down for the future, when they will be in the right spot to make those few veteran FA splashes to take it to the next level. They're just not ready for that, and that's okay. The hope is that by next year they will be, we'll see how accurate that belief is. 


And I will not stop saying this: DRC is so overrated. Go find an Eagles fan and mention DRC and they might just involuntarily puke on you. 

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 It wasn't making excuses, he was literally hurt, which we found out after the season. I admired his toughness (still do) and I'm not sure they had people on the roster that could step in. 


And, if I'm being honest, I didn't think the injury was as serious as it apparently was. Remember, he didn't get surgery on it when it came up in the previous offseason, so I thought if it was flaming up it was still that level of injury. The team kept it under wraps that it was significantly worse, something Bent kind of hinted at later in the year, at which point I stopped defending it as much. 

juunit
juunit

@Brendan @bradysucks 

I propose we convert Tajh "YEAH BOOOOOOOOYD" Boyd to corner. We can then call him Pooper Scooper Ralph. Just cause. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @bradysucks


"And I will not stop saying this: DRC is so overrated. Go find an Eagles fan and mention DRC and they might just involuntarily puke on you."


Unfortunately, they will react the same way if you mention Dimitri Patterson (although Patterson has improved since then).

bradysucks
bradysucks

@Brendan @bradysucks


I'm not disagreeing with you.....I am simply pointing out that Idzik had the money to sign a free agent CB and still draft McDougal.......It would not have effected his ability to sign in house talent either....


Look at the Revis deal.....The Pats can cut Revis next year if they choose.....The Jets could have easily signed Revis or Cro or any other number of CB's if Idzik wasn't asleep at the wheel....


The money was there.....

BDarc23
BDarc23

@a57se @BDarc23 You weren't a Cro fan during the season...that's what. Now that Brendan has switched you take the opposite side.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@Brendan @BDarc23 This is an old one but my argument remains the same... there is no way they would have him returning kicks if he had a serious hip injury.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Oh, shocker, someone half 57's age acting like the adult in a conversation. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent @Brendan @bradysucks 

They would probably react the same way no matter what former Eagle you mention! 

Oh and don't mention Santa Claus!

hitchhiker
hitchhiker

No, the money **is** there. That money can still be spent on resigning a current player or a future FA.

jaygo
jaygo

@BDarc23 @a57se @jaygo @bradysucks @Brendan


Verner got 14MM guaranteed from Tampa.  Mevis got $11.5MM guaranteed from the Pats.  DRC was talking retirement if the broncos won the SB.  The "win now" Broncos dumped him.   The DRC signing I predict will go down as one of the worst of the Jerry Reese era.  If Idzik made that deal, you'd be killing him and rightly so.

a57se
a57se

@BDarc23 @a57se 

You better check your memory banks Bdarc...

I knew Cro was hurt and was never part of the chorus that was killing him. I wanted the Jets to deactivate him and let him heal a little but the coaching staff obviously felt that an injured Cro was better then Walls, Lankster and everyone else we had on the roster last year.

My biggest complaint about Cro over the years was that he wouldn't take the coaching he was getting and play physical.

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 Hey now, I didn't "switch." Cro isn't on the team anymore. I would have welcomed him back right up until he became a mouthpiece for his cousin. That was a trashy move on his part. 

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 But he got surgery on it. I think that was a last-ditch move that Rex ultimately regrets, and something he hopefully learned from. 


But I'll give credit where it is due, you were right on Cro and his hip. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Brendan @bradysucks


Wow you can comment without making a sarcastic remark towards Brendan, well done.


Can you stop that please, It's considered bullying and is obnoxious.  We run a community where we try to foster an environment where people can come and discuss their team and leaving a sarcastic reply to every single one of someone's comments is not conducive to that.


Do not respond to this comment as I have no desire to discuss this matter publicly.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se "Over the years" meaning as soon as Collision Low Crossers told you this. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se 

 Do not respond to this comment as I have no desire to discuss this matter publicly.

Then you should not have commented at all!

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Nice try at being friends brendan!

Too bad I was saying that long before that book ever came out!

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I wasn't trying to be friends, I don't need any more thank you very much. And no, you never said that before the book came out, cut the sht. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

So you remember everything I ever said on this Blog before that book came out?

Wow, Thou art also Omniscient...please forgive me O Brendan the Mighty!

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@BDarc23 @NYCPEinGermany @Brendan I seem to remember his kick return style being running fairly straight, kind of arcing a bit, looking for a lane and when he found one, using those long strides to burst through like a bullet.


But I totally agree that getting tackled by human cannons coming straight at you from the other side of the field might not've been the wisest approach. I think they were looking for any spark with the O being so weak. 

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 Not to nitpick (because I agree it wasn't a good idea to put him there when he was hurt), but Cro's kick returning was so great because he pretty much picked a lane and exploded through it. He was all straight-line horse-gallop on those things.