It’s a little early to label him as a bust. When I think of bust, I don’t think of him that way. I have seen players who are higher picks that were busts because of their own laziness. Those are busts … I have a hard time labeling a guy a bust when he’s done everything in his power. Luck in terms of injuries hasn’t been on his side. Therefore, he hasn’t produced consistently. And he’s still only 23 years old.”

- Jets wide receivers coach Sanjay Lal on third-year receiver Stephen Hill (Source: Daily News)




— Quote: Lal responds to suggestion that Hill is a bust
188 comments
Jeff E. Guy
Jeff E. Guy

I'm not ready to give up on him, but if he's not approaching 20 catches by October, then that sentiment will likely change. Tom Landry once said, If they don't have it by their third year, they'll never get it. I'm sure there's exceptions to that rule but very, very few of them. 

jetsfan65
jetsfan65

What Sanjay Lal said in this quote is essentially what i kept saying about Hill throughout the draft process. Most people have given up on Hill but he hasn't really been healthy enough to show what he has and he's ONLY 23 YRS OLD!!! Let's give the kid a chance..

harvlis
harvlis

In Hill's first game, against the Bills,  he caught 5 passes for 84 yds and 2 TD's. I remember being very excited about his future.  He is 23 years old and he had Sanchez and a Rookie Geno throwing to him, knee injuries, Tony Sparano and Marty in his first season.  I would give Hill a little more time, to prove if he belongs or not.  With the weapons around him, this season, and a year under Geno and Marty's belt -- look for a nice season from Hill. 

nagel100
nagel100

his biggest problem is he has no moves and no hands.  jets don't need him at all.


Amaro and Decker will improve the receiving corp.  johnson will also help on third down out of the backfield.


offense can't be worse unless the Ol falls apart.

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

Man if you can get Decker, Nelson and Hill together on some sets, it should create some mismatches, because defenses aren't going to have all three corners who can match up height wise oh and Amaro, forgetaboutit, lol

bradysucks
bradysucks

Hill's biggest problem is he isn't fast enough, tall enough, and can't jump.....


oh wait,,,,



Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

I'm a soccer fan but not an avid watcher. It's clearly the most corrupt sport in the world. I just watched Croatia vs. Brazil and Brazil won 3-1 but it's totally misleading. The refs won that game for Brazil. I'm sure football has it's moments when calls go the wrong way but they've done a good job of cleaning that up with challenges. I doubt I'll watch another World Cup match that first one was enough. Still it's crazy how corrupt that sport is...

williamg1
williamg1

“We haven’t had the chance to rep it like we would (like to). So am I disappointed? On some level, yeah. I’m not disappointed in him, because I know he’s given it his all. Things haven’t worked out. I’d be disappointed in him if he wasn’t trying or wasn’t attentive. And he’s none of those things. He genuinely tries. He wants to be good. He does everything that’s asked. I’m just disappointed in the situation… and really most disappointed in that he has a label of being an inconsistent catcher… It’s not true. So that disappointments me.”


-lal

idothis2
idothis2

from what i see from the 2013 season, seems to me that Holmes and Kerley were often singled covered. i cant tell if Hill was drawing attention from the safety. if Holmes and Kerley were often singled, was Hill being doubled often?

boomer
boomer

So, I just flew in from South Africa (and boy are my arms tired).  Had a week of watching rugby which is seemingly on the tube non-stop at all times of the year.


I have a long term committed relationship with football but rugby could get me to have a little something on the side.  What a fantastic game.

blackwood1
blackwood1

@Pablo Bruno That my fellow Jet fan is very true & honestly I see people still sleep on Nelson & I keep telling people he has never been a bad WR just bad luck health wise. Even for the Bills when he was healthy he was a weapon, if Hill can put it together this yr & Amaro pans out then the weapons are there.


That being said I would still A) look in to what the Texans would want for johnson

B) Throw a 6rd pic at the Jags for the rights to Blackmon just to see if we can buy low & strike gold if he gets his mind right.

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

@jake100 LOL, this is o.k because they enter mandatory practice shortly, but Dave n Busters was a major guff, not only did it get the players to relaxed but it enraged the Bills probably why we lost that one, a game that all things besides this game being the same, could have gotten us into the playoffs.

braziljets
braziljets

@Tequila Joe 


My friends,

Usually I could easily read everything and just let it go but some of the comments left here about the soccer game this afternoon pushed me to write this couple of lines I hope you welcome with the best intention to clarify and give you all some different point of view.

So, allegedly the ref “won the game”(Tequila Joe) but who send the ref to that game? FIFA did. Brazil liked that Japanese ref? No, he was the one who made lots of mistakes last World Cup. Why he is still there? Cause FIFA keep the idea to have representatives from different parts of the planet… but did you ever have the chance to see a Japanese national soccer competition? It is horrible!

Talking about refs… do we know one single fan that never complained about refs? And they never helped us, right?! (*sarcasm). Well, refs do mistakes! In all sports and fans have to live with it! Last season against Pats… what do you think Pats fans thought about that call from the refs?

In soccer it is completely subjective the interpretation to call a fault… and the Japanese ref did it today. Take a look at the picture of the penalty and you will see the touch… it was enough to call it? Not for me but it was enough for the ref!

At the end, as Bent said it was just a bad call.

“corruption in soccer”. Italy, England, France, Spain, Russia and Brazil: all of them had problems with this. But we all have problems, right?! Some sports have racism (i.e. NBA), others have xenophobia (i.e. NHL), doping (i.e. UFC, bikes), corruption (i.e. rugby, MLB), gambling (i.e. horses), drugs…

If you believe in all conspiracy theories I hope you rent a movie or something because you can find evidences in all sports. If you believe Brazil will win the WorldCup I can say you’re not alone but that’s just part of our population… but I can say that to you cause I live here and I’m not just traveling around as Boomer (actually, I use to travel for work and I was at some hockey game in Montreal last March… if the refs were not blind they should be able to see a completely different game! LOL).

Finally, I’m used to read all comments here and I always have a good fun! As Brazilian I learn everyday with you guys, even reading those long bilateral conversations! LOL but, most important, it is here that I can follow, participate and support this incredible team to root for: JETS!!!

boomer
boomer

@Tequila Joe As I mentioned below, I travel a bunch for work and a lot of that is in the Southern Hemisphere.  I go to Brazil every year, was there about 2 months ago and there is no way they these games go off without some major crap.  


When I was there last year there was a game between two Brazilian club teams. The game got out of hand and some fans were so incensed about a call the ref made against their team they stormed the field, killed and then beheaded the ref.


That seemed a bit over the top.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Tequila Joe There is a lot of corruption in soccer, even at the highest levels, you're right.  I think that was mostly just bad officiating today though.

Bent
Bent moderator

@idothis2 Not really.  He ran a lot of clear-out routes.

williamg1
williamg1

@boomer I love rugby -- although I tend to only watch NCAA rugby (with my favs being Cal and Brown). 

Bent
Bent moderator

@boomer Did you see any English rugby, boomer?  The semi-finals and final were amazing and my hometown team won the championship.


The full matches are here: http://www.premiershiprugby.tv/?WT.mc_id=mpType:Display*Asset:Display_Ad*CmpID:PRTV*Other:Video  (Dunno if you'll be able to stream from outside the UK or not).

Alec Wilson
Alec Wilson

@boomer  Its a cracking game, the USA Scotland game wasn't a great example, but generally compaired to football its pretty non stop....I was thinking the other night of completing my coaching qualifications and coming over, as it really seems to be growing in the US

David Kettner
David Kettner

@boomer Try playing- you'll like that even more!  There are lots of clubs in the NY/NJ area for all ages and sizes.

Bent
Bent moderator

@boomer World Cup next year.  To keep this Jets-related, Hayden Smith will be representing the US!

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@braziljets @Tequila Joe This seems like a fairly neutral argument considering you're Brazilian. I'm glad you thought it was a bad call as well and I'm sure you watched the whole game. With that said, if that was the only bad call I could give the refs a break but lets's be real. This was one of many bad calls to go against Croatia. I don't need to get into specifics because it was totally obvious the whole game, especially in the second half, where there was a clear agenda. I'm sure if Brazil had lost and the ref had made those calls against your team your comments would sound a little different. I was watching the game objectively, not rooting for any team and it's true there is corruption in all sports, but none as clear as it is in soccer and that opening day game was one of the clearest examples I have ever seen. If you're proud of the way your team one that game I'd be surprised. 

boozer
boozer

@boomer @Tequila Joe

I think you got the story a bit wrong.

The referee stabbed a player to death first, after I assume the player threatened the referee from the bad call.

The friends of the player then beheaded the ref.

They take their games seriously down there.

McGeorge
McGeorge

@boomer @Tequila Joe I'm ok with killing the ref for a bad call ... that sounds fair to me.

But beheading him?  That crosses the line.  ;-)


What did they behead him with, a Machete?

Novel suggestion - don't allow Machetes and big knives at games.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@boomer @Tequila Joe That's crazy!!! I guess we can't blame the refs for wanting to keep their heads. I wonder what was said to the refs at halftime because it was clear who they were rooting for in the second half. They should have just put on Brazilian jerseys and started to kick the ball around.

Bent
Bent moderator

@boomer @Tequila Joe "That seemed a bit over the top."


It was a really bad call though.  Definitely a throw-in.

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Bent @Tequila Joe I think the script for this years world cup was written way before the game was played. They need to have something to show for those "white elephants."  

Ron Alexander
Ron Alexander

@Bent @idothis2 I remember Hill at the combine running a blazing fast 40 and pretty much jumping out of the building. But, I  also remember there was a lot of concern as he did really poor in the 3 cone drill and the shuttles which measure a players ability to quickly change direction. I've heard a lot of people criticize Hill and describe him as "stiff" which I suppose bare's out those agility concerns? Could that stiffness or lack of agility be the reason he has trouble getting seperation from D-backs?

idothis2
idothis2

@Bent wouldnt that mean that he was drawing the attention of both the cornerback as well as over the top attention from a safety regularly?

boomer
boomer

@Bent @boomer Not on this trip but I travel a bunch overseas for my job and I always try to watch rugby when I am in places where it is popular, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, the UK, etc.  The international aspect of it makes it even more compelling even if I don't get all of the different leagues and series.


When I was in South Africa 2 years ago Sonny Bill Williams was staying at my hotel.  Now that is one impressive human specimen.


Now if we could just get the Jets to do a NZ Haka before the game right in Brady's face ....

boomer
boomer


 @boomer This this again.


I did play one year in college back in the day of Zoot Suits.  Hurt my knee and couldn't play football so i thought I would go play a little rugby and show those sissies what for.  First game a guy on our side burst his spleen and learned how much I didn't know.


Great game.  And the fact that everyone got together after trying to knock the snot out of each other for a beer was awesome.

David Kettner
David Kettner

@Bent @boomer I am already planning my trip!  We should have a meet up, so those of us who read your work can compensate you with beer.


Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@boomer @Tequila Joe I hate to say this but maybe the world cup should be held in countries that aren't known for corruption. Unfortunately, I can't think of one...

joemustgo
joemustgo

@boomer @Bent Always hated the Cowboys but I kinda liked it when the O line used to get up out of their crouch in unison before getting into their three point stance.

Bent
Bent moderator

@boomer @Bent Finau was born in New Zealand.  He should introduce it to the team.

Bent
Bent moderator

@__fense @Bent @boomer He's been in the UK this year playing for Saracens although he didn't get to play very much.  Rumor has it he may sign for an Australian team next season, but he is planning to play for the US who he has represented before.  They're facing New Zealand soon too!

Bent
Bent moderator

 @Bent @boomer If boomer manages to get everyone into rugby I'll be absolutely wasted!

idothis2
idothis2

@Bent i see. i wouldve thought that Hill's speed drew the attention of the safety on the clear outs that he ran alot helping to create 1 on 1s for the other receivers which would add to Hill's effectiveness. the problem would then be the other receivers that couldnt defeat their 1 on 1.

boomer
boomer


@joemustgo @boomer @Bent Did you ever see the original Longest Yard?  If not its still a pretty good watch.  And the prison team has a pretty intricate movement from the huddle into their lineup.


I always thought it was a goof on the Cowboys.

will898
will898

Heard if plans fall through in Qatar, they want to move it to the US.

Bent
Bent moderator

@idothis2 @Bent Yeah, he helped freeze the safety sometimes, but rarely got what I would call doubled.

Bent
Bent moderator

@boomer @joemustgo @Bent


Yeah, that film was great.  Burt Reynolds, right?  It was called Mean Machine over here and then when they remade it with Adam Sandler, they also remade the film as a British soccer film starring Vinnie Jones and again billed as "Mean Machine".

juunit
juunit

@will898 

Well that's encouraging. We're plan B behind Qatar. 

boomer
boomer

@Bent @boomer @joemustgo Yep, that was the high water mark of Burt's acting career.  Which is saying a lot when you take into account cinematic triumphs like Smokey and the Bandit II.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You truly are a bastion for cultural tolerance, 57. 

boomer
boomer

@Bent @boomer @joemustgo Oh please.  That's just silly.


The cinematography was a cloying ripoff of Citizen Kane while the dialogue was a not to subtle copy of A Midsummers Night's Dream.


I expected better from you being British and all.

koala
koala

@a57se @Brendan its a sacred cultural tradition for Maoris 


not some stupid dance they just made up 


Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Does the fact that it's a traditional war cry based on the ancestral tribes of New Zealand (the Maori) change that mindset in the least? 

a57se
a57se

@koala @a57se 

I just pictured Indianna Jones and the guy with the sword doing all his fancy moves then Jones pulls out his gun and shoots him.

Anywho, I guess the Polynesians who invented the Haka always did it before playing rugby, i should have known.

boomer
boomer

@a57se @koala Actually the Maori warriors used to perform a haka before they went into battle.  They did it right to their enemy's faces.


And they were some badass warriors.

a57se
a57se

@boomer @a57se 

I know why and when the Moari would do the Haka.....I think it cheapens their memory to do it before a rugby game.


Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Good think the natives of New Zealand don't care about the opinion of someone who found out 5 minutes ago what a haka is. 

a57se
a57se

@boomer 

picture the Washington redskins doing an Indian War Dance before a Football game at their stadium...the backlash would be immense.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Tell that to the Maori tribal leaders who felt  the Blacks Haka was denigrating their traditions back in 2011.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Oh, so you did a google search and now you're an expert? Please stop. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

I'm not as expert as you are....but then again how could I ever be!

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Care to link to the story you're referring to? 


Because in 2009 the New Zealand government gave intellectual property rights to the original Haka dance officially to a Maori tribe. 


You may be mistakenly referring to times when it's been called out for its mis-use in commercials, movies and other media. 

koala
koala

@Brendan @a57se Im an Australian who generally hates NZ but the haka is one of the best traditions in world sport. 


The NZ team has a long and proud history of Maori representation and theres never been any suggestion of "denigration" that I am aware of. 


In fact the vast majority of people in NZ and elsewhere would see it as completely the opposite and very respectful 


boomer
boomer

@koala @Brendan @a57se Since I have totally derailed this post, Australian Rules Football is fantastic.  I have no idea what's going on half the time but it is terrific.

Bent
Bent moderator

@koala @Brendan @a57se Yeah, it's an honorable and sacred thing and, I'm sure, a source of great pride for anyone who reaches the top level and gets to participate in it.

koala
koala

@boomer @bent also I think if they recruited the guys properly at least half the punters in the NFL would come from the Australian Football League. The kicking accuracy they have is amazing, just need work on hangtime. Guys like Rocca, McBriar etc are by no means the cream of the crop of that league

Bent
Bent moderator

@boomer @koala @Brendan @a57se Oh yeah, love it.


I even enjoy Canadian Football though, so I'll watch almost anything (not cricket).


Funny thing is they even air Lingerie Football League games on this new channel I got so I could watch the Stanley Cup.  I'll be canceling the channel next week though.

Bent
Bent moderator

@koala @boomer Who do you think could play in the NFL at a non-kicking position from AFL?

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @boomer Barry Hall?  What about him?  He's an announcer now.  Big beefcake drongo friendly meathead type.  I can see how he'd appeal to you but how on earth did he end up on your radar?

koala
koala

@Bent @koala @boomer I follow the league/union more so hard for me to say. Someone like Buddy Franklin might have a skillset similar to a TE. From rugby/rugby league land maybe someone like an Izzy Falou or Sonny Bill Williams has the sort of athleticism and physicality that would translate

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent I just know that he punched a guy in the face during a game more than once. 


My friend (Scottish guy that played soccer at Fordham) showed me videos on Youtube. 

boomer
boomer

@koala @Bent @boomer Sonny Bill is an incredible athlete.  This is a guy who decided to box professionally while he was being touted as the best rugby player in the world.


TE or as a RB who was used on the outside.  

Bent
Bent moderator

@koala @Bent @boomer


Buddy was one of the first guys I thought of.


Jason Robinson would have been a heckuva kick returner.  George North could be a monster as a wideout.