Quote: May the best man win

“Knowing Rex and knowing the organization, the best man’s going to play […] you have a younger guy who wants to upstage an older guy, and you have an older guy who doesn’t want to be upstaged by the younger guy. I think that creates such a great competitive environment, especially for them being the leaders of the organization, I think that it’s great. Because I think Vick can win the job, but I know Geno has enough talent to keep the job.”

– Curtis Martin on the Jets QB situation




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Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

I am tickled pink Rex is the coach.   It's  more than a job or team to him. 

But....If i were Geno or Vick, I wouldn't enter the fourh  pre-season game.

harvlis
harvlis

Not worried about QB position this season. Good job bringing in Vick. Improve the o-line.

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 That's a pretty turrible fan post, Joey. If the Jets were in the NFC East they would've won only one division title under Rex, and that's obviously ignoring the fact that the schedules would change and everything else. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Reed? Ed Reed? He played plenty last year, what are you talking about? 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 I'm just curious what Hank is referring to. Reed played a lot once he got here, so is he saying he shouldn't have and Allen should have? Is he saying Reed should have played more? 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 Then I'd say that he's misinformed. Reed was very much worthy of the playing time he got, and Milliner's jump at the end of the year was a direct result of Reed's mentorship and work on the field with Dee. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 Experience played a role in it, certainly. But it wasn't until Reed took his spot in the back end that Milliner finally started showing his potential. It may have been nothing more than knowing the guy behind him and trusting him, but I think it was a bit more than that. Every timeout, every time the defense came off the field, any time they were on the sideline Reed had his arm around Milliner. It was very obvious to me that Reed took a serious interest in helping the kid along, so while Milliner gained experience, I'd say he gained more by working with Reed, understanding the two-man game between a CB and S and gaining the confidence in himself that he can anchor a side of the field on a play. 


I have nothing to substantiate this, but I also wouldn't be surprised if Reed helped Dee with film study so he can pick things up and identify tendencies in offensive players he's scheduled to mark. 


The idea that Reed was a liability isn't true, I really wish people would stop pushing this idea. Reed was the best cover safety Rex has had on the Jets. And that's this Ed Reed, not Ed Reed circa 2006. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@jake100 @Brendan I say he is a shell of himself.  I also say that the shell of himself that he is was great for the Jets last year. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 Citing the NY Post as the evidence of a claim isn't really proving your point. To give that article some context, that was written on December 2nd, after Reed's 3rd game on the team (his first was against Buffalo on 11/17). In Reed's first three games on the Jets, per PFF's coverage #'s, he didn't surrender a catch. Even further, he wasn't even targeted! 


I really question articles like the one you linked to that are calling Reed's play "struggling" when he wasn't giving up plays at all. 


"He looks slow, afraid of contact and so scared of getting beat deep he plays so far off the line of scrimmage teams can pick the Jets apart underneath."


I'm fairly certain that this was his assignment in those games and was not indicative of Reed not wanting to mix it up. The team asked him to play CF, so he played CF. As he got more comfortable with his teammates and was familiarized with the calls for the defense, he was very good. But even in those three games he was better than anything the Jets had seen in the past few years. Ed Reed a step slower than he used to be is still better than the majority of NFL safeties. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples @jake100 @Brendan

Except that "promising rookie" is actually a second year player (Allen) and he's still starting for us now, and Reed's contributions helped a struggling rookie become a promising rookie again (Milliner).

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Antonio Allen was promising last year. He was also consistently beaten in coverage and clearly needed more seasoning. He could've time-shared, probably, but you're acting like they took Earl Thomas off the field for Reed. Reed improved the overall play of the pass defense in ways that Allen simply couldn't at this stage of his career. 


I want Allen to start this year, but have no problem with him taking a step back last year and learning from the best safety ever. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 What better way for a young safety to learn how to play than to watch the best ever at the position prepare and play in front of him? 


People acting like Reed is the reason Allen's snaps got cut are misguided. Allen's snaps got cut before Reed was signed, he only played 40 snaps (out of 78) in the Saints game and 39/58 in the Bengals game, where his combined PFF grade was -3.1. The kid was struggling, Reed's signing just gave the team a way to keep Allen learning without forcing him to keep going out there to get burned. 


The idea that Rex took a highly-performing young player off the field to put his buddy out there is very misguided. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@jake100 @Hanknaples @Brendan Allen was playing primarily in the slot or in the box.  Reed played single-high safety, two completely different positions.


It was actually LANDRY that got Allen's reps, not Reed, but then you wouldn't take the QB of the secondary off the field for a youngster, so that made sense.


If Milliner didn't make that leap in the last month (which was definitely down to Reed) then I dread to think what out secondary prospects would be heading into the 2014 season.

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 He "schemed him in" by letting him play. The first game he played for the Jets was his 3rd highest grade for the team, it wasn't like he sucked and then became good at the end. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 @jake100 @Hanknaples @Brendan What I wrote at the end of the year on BGA:

"Maybe he’s not the Ed Reed of old and, sure, there were a couple of plays where he missed a tackle or collided with a teammate. However, on the whole, he’s contributing well, showing outstanding range and really helping the Jets secondary now that he’s settled into his role. Milliner’s development is the main benefit to have come from his arrival.


Milliner just looks like a completely different player than he did earlier in the season. He appears so much more confident, his technique is light years ahead of where it was in September and he’s jumping routes and showing good ball skills. A massive part of that is that Reed has been giving him safety support and I would imagine has been working closely with him so that they both know their responsibilities. Virtually every time Milliner made a play on Sunday, Reed was not far behind – ready to clean up if Milliner made a mistake or potentially intercept a pass that was overthrown or tipped into the air.


Tellingly on some of the bigger plays Milliner did give up, they happened when Reed was not giving him support. Josh Gordon had two 24-yard plays – one where Dawan Landry shifted the coverage over pre-snap and left Milliner completely isolated one-on-one and another where Reed was on the field, but he was over the other side and it was Josh Bush offering the support. Milliner looked less comfortable on those two plays. Other than that, Gordon was targeted 10 times with Milliner on him and caught just three passes for 25 yards."

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples That doesn't matter, he still was on a team in 2012, therefore he wasn't a rookie in 2013. 


To answer your question, he had 72 snaps in 2012. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 Reed a step slow is still better than most safeties in the NFL. His football IQ alone sets him apart. 


Just so we're clear, I would like Reed back in a partial role. Let Pryor/Allen run the show for the most part, but keep Reed on-hand as a player/coach type of guy. He can still give you 25-30 really good snaps (more if you really ask him) and be a constant resource for the young players. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@jake100 @Brendan I'm surprised you're not worried that Milliner will struggle without Reed.  That would be the reaction I'd expect from you.  Instead, I'm worried about that and you're happy with the young guy.


Role reversal!

Bent
Bent moderator

@jake100 @tsjc68 @Hanknaples @Brendan Yeah, but you're agreeing with the Jets head coach, Jets players and respected analysts.  I think most people would take their side.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@jake100 @tsjc68 @Hanknaples @Brendan

Jarrett said Reed’s impact on Milliner “was evident in the way he started to play toward the end (of the season). His game elevated. Unfortunately, he didn’t get the reps that he needed in (training) camp. But when he got the opportunity and Ed got with him, his game elevated. You saw that Dee Milliner is capable of playing day in and day out.”


Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Yeah, I assumed he played some on STs, but I figured Hankenstein was asking about defense. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @Hanknaples

Maybe Hank think's it's like baseball and Allen didn't have enough at-bats to lose rookie status.


That would be thoroughly Hankian.

a57se
a57se

Amazing how a Hank comment can generate all this unnecessary blather!

Brendan
Brendan

@tsjc68 Haha oh wow. I forgot about that one. That's Jets Beat level laziness.