Rapoport discusses contingencies of Rex’s remaining in New York

NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport talks with Rich Eisen about Rex Ryan and his future with the Jets, but also highlights the contingencies for Rex staying and potentially even getting an extension.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

This is what we’ve been hinting at all week, here, here and here. What was uncertain before Christmas was whether or not changes at DC automatically meant Rex was a goner.

Now that Rex is safe, we can conjecture that if Rex wants an extension, he will need to part ways with some of his defensive staff — Rap confirmed that much in the above video. For Rex Ryan, Idzik asking him to do that might be a tall order, Ryan is fiercely loyal to his people.

While this is mostly our guesswork, the name which Rapoport doesn’t mention in the NFL Network report can only be first year defensive coordinator Dennis Thurman.

The Jets defense has been the one good thing this team could count on over Rex’s first five years with the team, so Idzik doesn’t seem to be trying to break something which doesn’t need fixing, but rather to extend the longevity of the group’s success regardless of who is the head coach with someone with whom the GM is already familiar.

It seems a fair request for Idzik to make in exchange for an extension to his head coach.

That checks out with the only two names we’ve heard so far as potential replacements — Seattle assistant Kris Richard and Baltimore assistant Teryl Austin.

Nothing personal, but Thurman doesn’t seem the type of defensive coordinator who will bring much “upside” to the role over what Rex already offers. If I was a betting man, I wouldn’t bet on Thurman being able to continue the brilliance and dominance that Rex brought to New York without Ryan around. From watching the team over the last five years, I would have been much more willing to let the defense ride with Mike Pettine in the same situation. There’s a reason Thurman was Rex’s second coordinator, rather than his first.

What I would expect is that Idzik is smart enough to not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Karl Dunbar has had a positive effect on the talented defensive line. From a comment today from Sheldon Richardson it doesn’t sound as if Dunbar is going anywhere. On the other hand, we wouldn’t be surprised if defensive backfield coach Tim McDonald isn’t asked back in 2014.




58 comments
frustjetfn
frustjetfn

If what Rapoport is saying & Brian is extrapolating is true, I REALLY like the way Idzik is thinking. It's true that Thurman doesn't bring anything new to the table (neither did Pettine)  and to take the next step you need to add additional forward thinking to the team. For that reason, I'd prefer if Seattle's Kris Richard were brought in over Baltimore's Teryl Austin. Although I don't know squat about either man, I do know that Rex already has too much Raven's thinking in his background so there's no way Austin would have the freshness in his thinking that someone from Seattle would.


I'm also glad that Dunbar is being kept b/c I'm a big fan. He's produced fantastic results with the D line every place he's gone and we'd be absolutely insane to let him go.


Note: I'm approaching this as a trained project manager and I can tell you that I'm very impressed with Idzik if this is the course he's taking. It WILL make the Jets a perennial success and vastly improve their management decisions. He must not let Rex stand in the way of this. This type of management is way out of Rex's field of expertise and although he'll resist it, he'd be the beneficiary of the results.

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

Would rather see Thurman go back to coaching the secondary than leave altogether, but I know this is a pipe dream (where's my pipe?)

joemustgo
joemustgo

I'll relax once Rex signs his extension. Maybe it's just the my inbred Jet pessimism, but I still think a funny thing could happen on the way to Rex returning. Letting Thurman go reminds me of George Steinbrenner firing Clyde King despite (or maybe because of) Billy Martin's objection.

Joseph
Joseph

This is a very close unit. Rex is the best

Team motivater in the league.

Vinny Cammarato
Vinny Cammarato

WHat DC will you bring it that has more experience or is better at running a D then Rex ? WHos is going to tell Rex? your wrong, lets run the D this way ". Unless they are bringing in his replacement  when it comes to the D side of the ball stay out of Rexs way

Marvel
Marvel

it's probably bad that I don't care about any of this...


but I am preparing myself for the "Rex didn't pick the staff, so it's not his fault we stink " headlines 10 months from now..


lol... but seriously




a57se
a57se

I think the question facing Rex is does he want to be neutered? That is what Idzik is attempting to do.

a57se
a57se

I am glad there are no issues outstanding for the Jets to resolve and everything is hunky-dory in Jetsland!!!

YAY!!!!

BringBackDaveTelghe
BringBackDaveTelghe

I really hope Dunbar doesn't go. He did such a great job with the unit even though there was a lot of talent there.

juunit
juunit

Wow. Thurman's promotion to DC might end up being the worst promotion in the history of promotions then. He was an excellent, and I mean EXCELLENT DB coach. If he ends up on the street now? Damn. 


Aren't those two names also DB coaches though? Is it possible they'd just be making a lateral move to replace Thurman's replacement?

Bernard Mclaughlin
Bernard Mclaughlin

heer we go again, another dumb ass media guy wants to be the 'first' to bring up the buts, because he can't think of another way to get TV time.  I just listened to Mike WEesthof on ESPN. when asked about this his response was"I just spent a lot of time at the jets this AM and Rex is calling th shots on his coaches, and Rex just wants to coach the jets and according to Westie is fully OK with a one year because he believes that there are great things in store for the jets next year" or something to that effect. Westie went on to say that HE(Westie) thinks the Jets are headed for big things and that Rex will be there and one year or extension now is the furthest thing fromRex's mind.. This post by Rappaport or whatever his stupid name is, is just him trying to be different  and get attention. Don't believe the hype, these guys have been wrong about everything about he Jets  so far, and it's because they are not reporting , they are pundits throwing out anything and everything to separate them from the hundred other pundits in the NY/NJ area.

gbrownn
gbrownn

I really would like to see Kris Richard on this staff, the secondary in Seattle has always been a strength and they really seem to have a knack developing dbs out there. I feel he would have the same impact as a guy like dunbar had with our dline. Proven track record of success, would only make us better.

idothis2
idothis2

Rex like any HC should have full autonomy over their staff without input from the FO. IIRC, Thurman was blocked from leaving multiple times  most recently from going to the Raiders. it wouldnt be right to force him out for someone the GM wants

a57se
a57se

@joemustgo 

Don't say that too loudly! You might get accused of being one of those senile, lonely people who make stuff up just to have something to say on this Blog!!

BDarc23
BDarc23

Also, what coach would want to come to that situation? On the Jets Rex is the DC and the "DC" is really the assistant DC

BDarc23
BDarc23

You are basing this on this report? Isn't Rex supposed to get fired today? Didn't we read that the previous 2 weeks?

djf1
djf1

@a57se that seemed completely unnecessary.

Marvel
Marvel

@juunit 

the DB's that were ridiculed all season long? 

Brendan
Brendan

@juunit Richard is the DB's coach in Seattle. 


Austin is the secondary coach in Baltimore. 

BDarc23
BDarc23

The Jets DBs were great under Thurman though too. Kris Richard isn't going to come to the Jets unless he is getting promoted to DC.

John Ledo
John Ledo

Only Brenda makes those accusations

a57se
a57se

@BDarc23 

I think there are probably a lot of coaches out there who would love to work with Rex for a few years learning his defense. 

Bob Sutton has done alright by that.

a57se
a57se

@BDarc23 

I am speaking as if the reports have some validity.

If you don't think they do, that is fine by me.

a57se
a57se

@djf1

When you are the one taking all the grief all the time just for posting an opinion that doesn't match the pre-ordained rosy picture that some people want to hear, I'll accept that criticism.

Brendan
Brendan

@Marvel @juunit I believe Juunit is implying that by moving Thurman away from DB's and making him DC, the DB's suffered. 

Brian Bassett
Brian Bassett

@BDarc23 Correct. it would take a promotion to get him unless he's on an expiring deal ... (I don't have that information)

gbrownn
gbrownn

I'm thinking hopefully a new voice with some new technique will help our dbs out. They were THAT impressive this year and were probably the weak link in our defense so I'd welcome a new voice. Yeah I agree, there would be no reason for him to come him and still just be a db coach. I wouldnt mind him as a D coordinator either.

BDarc23
BDarc23

Brian- Do you mean based on reports or that you have some info Idzik is looking to hire coaches for Rex?

a57se
a57se

@Brian Bassett

The question is, does Rex? 

It sounds like Idzik wants to mitigate any loss if he decides to fire Rex down the road by having guys more loyal to himself in key positions. I don't see how rex can not look at this as a power play by Idzik.

a57se
a57se

@BDarc23 

How are DB coaches with minimal experience considered hot and upcoming DC candidates?

Kris Richards has been coaching all of 7 years  and is just 34 years old.

Teryl Austin has been coaching longer and has actually served as a Defensive Coordinator for Urban Meyer at Florida for one whole year but has basically been a DB coach. He is 48.


I don't see how either of these guys could hold a candle to Rex.....

BDarc23
BDarc23

I think there are lots of coaches who would want to work under Rex I just don't see the "hot up and coming new DCs" wanting ot do that.

Bent
Bent

@a57se @BDarc23 How dare you.  Clearly Sutton learned everything he knows from Mangini.


Signed "Interested Bent".

a57se
a57se

@BDarc23 

I don't pay too much attention to the NY beat reporters because all they care about is creating controversy so they can get page views.

When good, well respected guys start reporting these things, I pay more attention as these guys get it right more often then not. Add in Bassett and/or Bent taking these things seriously and I am listening.


BDarc23
BDarc23

What I am asking you is why do you think they have validity when the media reports have been missing all year?

djf1
djf1

@a57se @djf1 It wasn't criticism, it was an observation.  My unsolicited advice is to maybe ease up on the assumption of this pariah persona..

juunit
juunit

@a57se@juunit@Marvel 

I have a theory that Wilson played so well this year (comparatively at least) because teams didn't have to pick on our secondary with their slot receivers. Cro and Milliner were so bad most of the time the QB wouldn't even have to progress to whoever Wilson was covering. He'd see his first read open on the outside and take it.

a57se
a57se

@juunit@Marvel 

McDonald is not one of the coaches whose contract expires this year.

Wouldn't he get credit for the improvement in Wilson and Milliner?

We know Cro was hurt so there is that as well.

juunit
juunit

@Marvel 

Yeah, what Brendan said. I'd brought it up before this season started that I didn't know how the secondary would do with Thurman's attentions being elsewhere. Obviously, it didn't work well. Though Milliner played like a rookie and Cro was hurt. I think it's possible that with no changes to the coaching the secondary can be much better in 2014 with Milliner 2.0 and either a healthy Cro or a replacement that can rank higher than 109 out of 120 CBs. 

I've got nothing against replacing McDonald though. 

Marvel
Marvel

@Brendan

 oh ok. I was lost.


but now.. not lost.. lol


a57se
a57se

@BDarc23 

Look, I am not going to argue with you...believe whatever you want.

BDarc23
BDarc23

My point is that no one has proven to have any inside info on Idzik's decision making....and also I definitely saw Woody in an interview state that he and Idzik decided weeks ago.  It wasn't the Jeane interview.

a57se
a57se

@BDarc23 

Woody said it was decided a few days ago from what I remember but what does that have to do with Ian Rappaports' credibility anyway?

He is up there with Albert Breer, John Clayton and others as being reliable and responsible in their work.

It is not like we are quoting Gary myers, manish mehta or the Cimidiot here.

BDarc23
BDarc23

FWIW- I saw an interview with Woody last night and he said that he and Idzik had decided to keep Rex weeks ago... If that is true than all of the media reports were fabricated.  I didn't see Rapoport or anyone else dispute the Rex was being fired reports.

a57se
a57se

@juunit

Only when he reports what certain Jets fans want to hear....otherwise he is part of the vast media conspiracy to humiliate the Jets at every chance.

juunit
juunit

@BDarc23 

Rapoport is a much more respectable source than the NY beat writers. 

BDarc23
BDarc23

57- Why do you suddenly think reports like this have any merit? The media has been swinging and missing all year on the Jets. It's hard to believe Rapoport has suddenly gained access to insider information.