Bill Belichick, Rex Ryan

Report: Patriots acquired Jets’ playbook

2:46 p.m.: After Thursday’s practice, Rex Ryan confirmed that he gave a copy of the Jets playbook to Nick Saban during Mike Pettine’s tenure with the club (Cimini, June 19).

The playbook then reportedly made its way to the Patriots.

However, Ryan added that it’s “ridiculous” to think that the Patriots having the Jets’ playbook impacted any games.

Ryan went on to say that it “ticks” him off for people to insinuate that the Patriots may have had an unfair advantage, since that line of thinking discredits what Bill Belichick has accomplished.

As far as his relationship with Pettine, Ryan lightheartedly said that “it’s in a bad spot right now,” adding “he needs to be quiet.”


Mike Pettine, currently the head coach of the Browns, thinks that the Jets’ playbook may have ended up in the hands of the Patriots during Pettine’s time serving as the Jets’ DC between 2009 and 2012 (Sports Illustrated, June 19).

According to Pettine, Patriots head coach Bill Belichick may have gotten the playbook from Nick Saban:

“It didn’t shock me because Rex would give them out like candy anyway,” Pettine told SI. “He gave one out to Saban and I was like, ‘Don’t you know Saban and Bill are pretty good friends? I have a feeling it’s going to end up in New England.’”

Pettine went on to say that he prefers to not have a thick playbook, and that “in places like New England, it’s only a matter of time that they somehow mysteriously end up with our playbook.”

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

I know this is the talk of the sporting world right now.  For right or wrong, Ryan is the type of coach who doesn’t care who has a copy of his playbook and still thinks he could beat any opponent regardless of their knowledge of his scheme.  The Jets slid down the slope in 2011 and 2012 in terms of talent, a trend which we could see reversing in 2013.  The Jets had what many perceived as one of the weakest NFL rosters last year, but regardless the public perception the Jets stopped the Patriots five game winning streak with a 30-27 overtime win last October.

I fully understand that giving up a playbook doesn’t do anything but help an opponent who can use such a document as a Rosetta Stone in concert with a team’s game film, but with talent surging on defense it might not matter whether Bill Belichick has a Jets playbook in his stumpy little fingers.




257 comments
Jon Berger
Jon Berger

If we are talking about the Jets offensive playbook... so what  it was horrible for the last 3 or 4 seasons. Anyway new offense look. I see Super bowl in Jets future. J-E-T-S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

marcus81
marcus81

Foxboro 2010 Jets greatest victory since SB 69' I don't think that playbook conspiracy is true

Bent
Bent moderator

Couple of thoughts on this, if anyone still cares...


It's not hard to get a copy of some version of the Jets playbook.  I was offered one at one point ... although I would NEVER use it to help me write a BGA for fear of releasing trade secrets.  I'd study the crap out of it though and use that to inform the accuracy of my analysis where possible.


What we do know, however, is that the Jets don't release all of the playbook to everyone.  If you make the team, you get a much bigger version and even then there are parts which are added game-by-game which are gameplan specific.  They also alter terminology at times.


I bet what Saban got was essentially Cliff Notes.

Mike DeRosa
Mike DeRosa

I am sure that the Browns also have the playbook now too, right? Surprise!

Pablo Bruno
Pablo Bruno

Well there you have it the Patriots have your'e playbook Rex, Rex: " It ticks me off you insinuate Bill accomplished are being diminished by having this unfair advantage" , WTF, no Rex it should piss you off that he has your playbook.

a57se
a57se

OK...I am really effin bored so GOT trivia time!

What is Hodor's name?

jdawggg
jdawggg

Interesting but unsurprising that in the story on Pettine where this Playbookgate come from, Pettine mentions several times things he picked up from Rex, or things that Rex did well.  That's ignored in order to create this perception of a bitter feud.



For example:

"The final part of the puzzle is to have the entire defense in the meeting room together. It’s few and far between when positions break up, go to their own room and worry about themselves, like most teams operate.

“I thought that was one thing that Rex did real well. He kind of tied in the whole room,” Pettine says. “After a while, he’d ask a defensive lineman a question about the cornerback’s technique to see if the guy had been paying attention. It’d be funny to see how much guys would recall in situations like that. Learn the defense as a whole and you execute as one cohesive unit.”


Overall the article is well worth reading, for more than this playbook nonsense.  

bob
bob

Belichick called me up da little dog and he say he wanted to take for me out and buy me a prime rib dinner ..I say Oh ya dats good I be right der. He ask me about the play book.. I  say I cant talk about da dis way or dat way play cause I like Rex and I dont want him to be mad at me ok..sorry Bill. He say thats ok and get me some more prime rib..

davem
davem

Bye England. (sorry Bent)

Suarez is just en fuego these days

Bent
Bent moderator

Also, I wanted to say that Rex's response was pretty good.  The right balance of diffusing the controversy, showing respect to Belichick and chastising Pettine for being disrespectful.

marcus81
marcus81

@Pablo Bruno  Rex actually said the right thing, BB can't use it as motivation for his team

tsjc68
tsjc68

@jdawggg

The final part of the puzzle is to have the entire defense in the meeting room together. It’s few and far between when positions break up, go to their own room and worry about themselves, like most teams operate. “I thought that was one thing that Rex did real well. He kind of tied in the whole room.”


I wonder if Marty is doing this with the offense now.  Or if he should be.  


Intuitively, it seems like something everyone should be doing (although you could counterargue that it leads to less focus on each unit mastering their particular tradecraft, I suppose).


I'm also curious to see which Jets defenders aced Rex's pop quiz about the positional groups that weren't theirs and which ones failed.  (Not that we're ever likely to find out from anyone).

a57se
a57se

@jdawggg 

you would not get many page views highlighting that section...

tsjc68
tsjc68

@bob

Everyone's always trying to decipher the secret of "da dis way or dat way" play.  They're always after your Lucky Charms.


TAKE IT TO THE GRAVE, BOB.  TAKE IT TO THE GRAVE.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@davem

At this point I want France to lose too, just to see Spain, England, and France all eliminated before the knock-out phase.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Yeah, really thought Rex handled that well. Good for him, but man...I wish they were playing this year. 

Mike DeRosa
Mike DeRosa

@marcus81 @Pablo Bruno Agreed. Last thing Rex needs/wants to do is to let Satan post the article in the locker room going "They think you didn't deserve to win"


Now, to be fair, pretty much all of the team from that year is gone, haha.

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Can I answer these? I'll guess every one. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @davem 

Yeah, let's get rid of all those Western Civilization teams, we want an all Third World knockout round!

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se No, they lost two matches 2-1 to two very good teams (assuming they don't come back in this one). 

davem
davem

They tied it up but Suarez scored again minutes later. It's not over but the fat lady is warming up

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Well, the answer is Walder. No one knows why he only says "Hodor." And it's not a spoiler because no one knows where the name comes from (people think he's a long-lost Frey or something, but there's literally nothing besides the name Walder that supports that theory). 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Bent @Brendan

Bent, I don't want to ruin this for you, but...


... Jesus dies at the end of The Passion Of The Christ.

Brendan
Brendan

@jaym Deadspin had an entire post about it (they, like most baseball fans, find Fartolo to be endlessly entertaining). 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @Bent 

Appropriately, Brendan gets it CORRECT!!!

More trivia tomorrow!

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@tsjc68 TSJC, Maybe you should have used a different example other than Jesus. It was impudent to say the least...

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Oh relax....just kidding.

But really, HOW COULD YOU SHOW HIM THIS???


davem
davem

All of England must feel so Forlan

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @davem

I was actually rooting for England and France to make it.


Just like the poetry of England/France/Spain all not making it.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Brendan @jaym

I miss Bartday.  His stay in pinstripes was too brief.  He's so much fun.

a57se
a57se

@jake100 @a57se 

How about Tanaka?

He has been amazing!

11-1 with and ERA of 1.99...

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se He did it fine before, now he's expanding tweets and doesn't realize that screws everything up. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @jake100

I can't wait for Pineda to get back so we can reunite the Young Guns™.

Bent
Bent moderator

@tsjc68 @Hanknaples @Brendan


It's not over.


If...


Italy beats Costa Rica (probable)

Italy beats Uruguay (likely)

England beats Costa Rica (possible)


Then Italy will have 9 points, England, Uruguay and Costa Rica will have 3 points.  If the England win or the Uruguay loss are by 2 goals, that puts England through!!!!


(It was over before it started).

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

You mean Mr. Greaseball?

I'd rather trade the cheater for a bucket of BP Balls.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

Yes, because what he did was clearly cheating.

Sincerely,

Nobody in baseball

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 Oh, what's the worst you can say to me? Mets suck? Because I'll offer that up myself for free. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

Yeah, that's right...MLB always suspends people for doing nothing wrong...silly me!

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples It is FIFA's official website. FIFA is the governing body of soccer on the planet earth. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

That whole crap was nothing but silly gamesmanship over "unwritten rules".  


Unwritten rules are B.S.  


And Pineda wasn't throwing "greaseballs", that would be ACTUAL cheating.  He used pine tar for grip.  Every team has pitchers who use pine tar for grip (including the Red Sox who flagged him for it).  It's not cheating, it doesn't help you throw a ball better.


Brendan
Brendan

@a57se The season highlight of the Mets this year is Bartolo Colon hitting a double and then scoring on a single. Yes, the Yanks are much better right now. 

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

So Pineda was suspended for no apparent reason?

Is that what you are saying?

a57se
a57se

@Hanknaples @Brendan 

Hey Hank, I watched the end of the Colombia-Cote D'Ivoire match at lunch time.

You are rooting for the Colombians, I assume?


Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples I'd actually say it's more corrupt than the IOC, but that's besides the point. 


You were saying Uruguay and Italy aren't good teams, they're both top-10. Uruguay sports one of the 5 best players on the planet right now in Suarez. Italy is consistently one of the top teams in the world. Not sure what your argument is. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Hanknaples @Brendan

That's absolutely true.


And even though FIFA is a bunch of grabastic maggots, Uruguay and Italy are still two of the best national teams in the world.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Ironically, the Mets are -12 run differential while the Yankees are -21...


a57se
a57se

@BDarc23 @a57se @Brendan 

The Yanks are a handful of games over 500 and the Mets are a handful or more under. A little winning streak by the Mets and four days of anyone but Tanaka pitching and they are close again like they've been all season.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

He was suspended for using pine tar, a substance pitchers are not allowed to use.


Plenty of pitchers use pine tar on a regular basis and most teams never ask for them to be suspended, because they all know it's not really "doctoring" the ball to gain an advantage.


He broke a rule.  A rule that might end up being abolished at some point, since teams/players/managers all agree that it's not cheating (even if it is currently technically illegal).

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se In reality Pineda was suspended for the lack of respect he showed for the unwritten rules. People do stuff, but you don't make it obvious. Pineda made it obvious, seemingly to try and dare the umpires to do something. 


If he hid it like a normal player, no suspension. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se The Mets have blown more leads than anyone in baseball, so that doesn't surprise me. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @BDarc23 @Brendan

The Yankees are on a hot streak despite missing several members of the rotation who will be back in the second half and are within striking distance of the divisional lead, and you're saying "they're crap" AND you want to trade away a 25 year old fireballer who had a 1.83 ERA this April because he "cheated" even though literally NOBODY in the league actually thinks that using pine-tar to get a better grip on the ball is actually cheating (since pine tar does not create "greaseballs" that do funny things mid-flight).


It's good to see that you're just as insane and irrational of a Yankee fan as you are a Jet fan.


Ugh.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@a57se @BDarc23 @Brendan Sure 57. The Mets are 32-40. They are looking at next year. They have great young starting pitching but that is all. It's a great thing to build on though.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

so you are saying normal players (pitchers) have pine tar smeared on the bodies in less obvious places to enhance their grips on the baseball?

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se @BDarc23 @Brendan 

Amazing how you like to change what people actually say to something that is ridiculous just to try and make yourself look good....sad actually.

Try discussing what people actually say for a change.

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 I would interject here to mention David Wright, but he's batting about .140 for the month of June so....yeah. Young pitchers and a bucket of hope! 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

Since when what?


Since when do pitchers routinely use pine tar to get a grip?  Since like forever.


Since when was there a conversation about possibly changing the rules and making pine-tar more legal?  It happened this year, right when Pineda was suspended.  MLB.com and Baseball Tonight and all the talking heads were discussing it this very April, saying that Pineda would be (and should be) suspended for using pine tar but that liberalizing its use was a conversation that should be had, since it's not cheating like an emory board or vaseline.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @BDarc23 @Brendan


What you actually said:

A.) Pineda is a cheater who throws greaseballs and I'd rather trade him for the rhetorical equivalent of "nothing" than keep him and have him pitch for the Yankees

B.) The 37-33 and in playoff contention Yankees are no better than the 32-40 and in last place Mets, even though the Yankees have a better rotation, a better bullpen, and a better offense.


I have not mischaracterized your positions at all.

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

So a bunch of talking heads make the rules in baseball now?

That's ludicrous.

What Pineda did was illegal and he got thrown out of a game and suspended for it AFTER being warned the time before about it.

That was just plain stupid.

I have never liked cheaters and never will......


a57se
a57se

@Hanknaples @Brendan 

I guess I can't say anything pejorative about that as I wouldn't be being culturally sensitive.

Brendan
Brendan

@Hanknaples Yeah, it was all explained in gruesome detail in the 30 for 30 documentary "The Two Escobars." 


If you haven't seen that, I recommend you do. It's fantastically done. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

So a bunch of talking heads make the rules in baseball now?  That's ludicrous.


No.  A bunch of talking heads point out that some of the rules in baseball are pretty stupid and should be changed.  Because a bunch of the rules in baseball are pretty stupid and should be changed.


What Pineda did was illegal and he got thrown out of a game and suspended for it AFTER being warned the time before about it.  That was just plain stupid.


Agreed.  Pineda broke a rule, and even if it's a dumb one, he should be suspended (and he was.)


What makes no sense, though, is for a Yankee fan to take the stance of "I'm so upset at Michael Pineda for getting suspended for using pine tar that I want him cut from the team."  That's an INSANE overreaction.  Dude is 25 and throws murderous gas.  Was getting suspended for pine-tar really stupid?  Yeah.


Is he a dirty cheater who should be run out of town on a rail?  No, he's not.  He broke a stupid unwritten rule and he's presumably learned his lesson, but he wasn't doping or roiding or scuffing the ball or doing anything dirty.  He did something that tons of pitchers do without incident or rancor (because every sane person in baseball understands that it does NOT confer an actual advantage and unfairly tip the scales of justice).  He's not Melky Cabrera or ARod.  What he did is not remotely in that sphere.


I have never liked cheaters and never will......


Sounds great.  Michael Pineda isn't a cheater, though, he's a rule-breaker.  There's a difference.  The reason Tony LaRussa didn't blow the whistle on Kenny Rogers using pine-tar IN THE FREAKING WORLD SERIES is because Tony LaRussa knows that "rule" is a dumb rule and that breaking that dumb rule does not constitute "cheating", which is why some of his pitchers also break that dumb rule.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68 @BDarc23 @Brendan

Then explain it to me, like I'm a child.


Tell me how I should interpret 

You mean Mr. Greaseball?

I'd rather trade the cheater for a bucket of BP Balls.

other than to say that you're saying Pineda is cheating by doctoring the ball and you'd rather give him away for nothing than see him continue to pitch effectively for the team you purport to love and root for.

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

You mean Mr. Greaseball?

I'd rather trade the cheater for a bucket of BP Balls.

Clearly Hyperbole meant to express my disgust with the guy for cheating. No one would take seriously the idea of trading a 25 year old pitcher for a bucket of batting Practice balls.

But you keep acting like that is what I seriously meant if it makes you feel better!

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

Amazing how you like to change what people actually say to something that is ridiculous just to try and make yourself look good...


See, I didn't "change what you actually said to something that is ridiculous".  THAT'S WHAT YOU ACTUALLY SAID, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY RIDICULOUS.


If you're tired of people taking your hyperbolic statements literally, STOP BEING SO LITERALLY HYPERBOLIC ALL THE TIME.

a57se
a57se

@tsjc68 @a57se 

The second part was the part you changed and never represented properly...the first part you just didn't understand properly.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@a57se @tsjc68

No.


I changed neither part.


You called Pineda "Mr. Greaseball" and said you'd rather have a bag of balls than him, because he cheated.


Are those statements hyperbolic?  Yes.  (Well, one of them is; calling him "Mr. Greaseball" is just incorrect, as pine tar is not grease that lubricates, it's an adhesive that decreases lubrication.)


Did I change or exaggerate either of the clauses of your statement?  No.  I responded to them.  Was I making your statements "more ridiculous" so that I could argue against strawman positions of them?  No.  Your statements were ALREADY ridiculous, and I responded to them as naturally constructed by you.


If you're tired of people responding to your ridiculous statements with ridicule, stop making ridiculous statements.  


Calling a pitcher who used pine tar "Mr. Greaseball" is a ridiculous statement.  


Saying that a guy who used pine tar--a substance that does not alter the flight of the baseball and has been used by hundreds and hundreds of big league pitchers for decades and decades, none of whom are considered "cheaters" by the global sports community--is a "cheater" that you'd rather not have around is a ridiculous statement.


Are they hyperbole?  Sure.  Hyperbole is, essentially, ridiculous.  Hence, when you use hyperbolic statements your statements are, by nature, ridiculous. 


You have nobody to blame but yourself.