Roundup: Reaction to Jets drafting Pryor

Here’s some reaction from around the web to the Jets drafting Louisville safety Calvin Pryor. Take a look…

MMQB Recapping Round 1: Greg Bedard

Antonio Allen, the 2012 seventh-round pick, came on at the end of the season, and now they have a terrific physical safety to pair with him in Calvin Pryor. Rex Ryan has two young safeties to mold and key his scheme. He can probably kiss GM John Idzik right now.

USATSI_7904563_110579513_lowresESPN Thumbs Up, Thumbs Down: Rich Cimini

Calvin Pryor, S: This was a bit of a surprise because the Jets passed on a much-needed cornerback, Darqueze Dennard, but Pryor represents good, not great value at 18 — and he addresses a need. The Jets’ safeties were terrible last season. Pryor is an enforcer, but the question is whether he has the cover skills to help the Jets’ pass defense. Rex Ryan believes Pryor has the range to play the deep middle and cover tight ends.

CBS Sports: Draft Tracker

Calvin Pryor | FS, Louisville
They had to get safety help, so this makes sense. He is a thumper in the run game, which will help.

USA Today: Draft Tracker

Short bio: Pryor is an intimidating presence over the middle that has also shown the ability to make plays on the football when he drops into coverage. During his three seasons with the Cardinals, Pryor forced nine fumbles and intercepted seven passes.

Quick take: Last season, the Jets attempted to revive Ed Reed’s career to help the back end of their defense. The experiment failed. The team also lacked a physical presence at the position after LaRon Landry signed with the Colts last offseason. Pryor will immediately add an intimidating force in the secondary and improve the team’s overall coverage.

Yahoo Sports: Draft Tracker

The Jets, like the Cowboys, were faced with the Manziel Conundrum, but they passed to help out the defense with a missile of a hitter in Pryor, who had a three-game streak of knocking out players last season. The Louisville Slugger is a perfect Rex Ryan-type safety.

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

Overall, the impression of taking Pryor seems a positive one, as it should be. The secondary was a position of need and Pryor was a player who was slated to go in the first round. If there was any surprise, it might have been that the Jets didn’t take MSU CB Darqueze Dennard a player who was available and often linked to the Jets.



344 comments
Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

This was a great pick...The Jets needed to upgrade the safety position and they did just that. Good job Idzik...

realjetfan
realjetfan

Didn't the media and even some Jets fans rip them for picking Sheldon Richardson last season? A lot of media members and some Jets fans said stuff along the lines of, "Wtf, if you wanted another defensive lineman, Star Lotulelei is better!" or "Wow the Jets reached so much for Richardson *sheepishly follow the "experts" draft board and cite it as factual in regards to the best players in the draft*" or "We needed offense and we go pick ANOTHER defensive player in the first round, Rex Ryan is a horrible coach" or "How is Sheldon even going to fit in our defensive scheme?"

A year and a Defensive Rookie of the Year later, I don't think many Jets fans or impartial media members dislike the Sheldon Richardson pick anymore.

Give this Calvin Pyror pick a chance...

bob
bob

My impression of Pryor is he has a nose for the  ball instinctive like Ed Reed . He's a football player guys in every sense of the word. He comes flying at ya like a bullet shot out of a gun.

He just knows really cant teach that.. He loves to play guys and he's good at it..Thats why the Jets drafted him.  When John Idzik and Rex Ryan saw this kid.. they new it..in their gut. hes the guy.

a57se
a57se

@realjetfan  

There are similarities in these two picks.

The Richardson pick wasn't in a perceived area of need though we didn't know the Jets plans to move Coples to the RUSH LB position.

The perceived need on Defense was Safety and NT as we had lost Bell and Landry as well as Devito and Po'uha. So lotulelei and Vaccaro were popular choices for the Jets at 13.

For a lot of folks on this Blog, Safety was not considered an area of need especially if we resigned Ed Reed.

The perceived need on defense was at CB and on offense WR and TE

There was Cooks and Dennard available who were BOTH highly regarded prospects and popular choices for the team at 18.


Hopefully Pryor ends up as good as Richardson as a rookie, that would be something!

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@a57se  He made a great chart but his evaluation of many players is lacking. Still, it was impressive...

bob
bob

@Brendan @bob


When I saw the tape I was blown away. and understood why Jets took him over Dennard.

a57se
a57se

@Wilkershakes @a57se 

I am.

If you read my comments you will find that reconciling them together gives you a much better view of what I am saying then looking at them independently and thinking I am being snarky or sarcastic on everyone.

a57se
a57se

@Wilkershakes

You mean like the comment you liked on my response to realjetsfan?

Wilkershakes
Wilkershakes

@NJ libertarian @a57se   It's also possible to make that statement, which is clear and detailed in thought.  Much better than the one word, which based on your comments today comes from a place of sarcasm or snark.

NJJDB
NJJDB

@a57se @NJ libertarian "I found it interesting because tsjc obviously put a lot of work into his chart and I am curious as to why he had Pryor ranked so low. I think his opinion on Pryor would be more informed then that of someone who watched highlight reels of Pryor after we picked him."

I am also interested in TSJC's opinion of Pryor, and would love to hear more of that opinion. However, as I said before, TSJC said he defers to Rex. 

"Contrary to a lot of folks on this Blog, I realize that Jets players have flaws and strengths and I have NO problem discussing either without falling apart at the seams thinking someone is hating on the player."

I think that's a very broad statement to make, and one I certainly would dispute. I have seen plenty of rational discourse on Jets players here.

a57se
a57se

@NJ libertarian @a57se 

I found it interesting because tsjc obviously put a lot of work into his chart and I am curious as to why he had Pryor ranked so low. I think his opinion on Pryor would be more informed then that of someone who watched highlight reels of Pryor after we picked him.

Contrary to a lot of folks on this Blog, I realize that Jets players have flaws and strengths and I have NO problem discussing either without falling apart at the seams thinking someone is hating on the player.

You aren't curious about how tsjc, an obviously intelligent member of this Blog, came to the conclusions he did?

I am.

Wilkershakes
Wilkershakes

@harold   That's a fair point when stated as such.  Thinly veiled references and the like is the issue.  

a57se
a57se

@harold @a57se

The Blog is becoming more hostile to anyone who doesn't fawn over everything the Jets do.......

harold
harold

@a57se @Wilkershakes


That is all I have been saying.  Pryor is a good football player.  Just think he may not be enough of different player from others we could have taken later and moved back.

a57se
a57se

@Wilkershakes  

You are sounding more and more like Brendan these days.......

I don't think Pryor was a horrible selection,. I don't even think he was a bad selection. I don't think he was as bad a selection as tsjc's chart shows.

I just think the Jets could have done better with the 18th pick in the draft.

NJJDB
NJJDB

@Wilkershakes That's what I inferred, but I don't want to put words in 57's mouth.

Wilkershakes
Wilkershakes

@NJ libertarian  He finds it interesting in order to point and show that Pryor was a horrible selection.  I know it's hard to discern..

NJJDB
NJJDB

@a57se @Wilkershakes I'm pretty sure that tsjc68 also said that he defers to Rex, so again, not much to see here.

Bubby Brister
Bubby Brister

@Wilkershakes @Brendan 

ZOMG!

TSJC has NO CLUE what he talking about...but we all do...since we showed that greenhorn with our 12 Player pick lists.

:-)

harold
harold

@Bubby Brister @harold


I enjoy the ride.  As a fan we look at options and wonder aloud on the Blog why we did not take them.  I don't take it personal.  I just think we would have been better trading back if Safety was our choice. 

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Brendan @bob  Great pick by the Jets! Pryor will be our Earl Thomas...

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

@Brendan @bob  I'm glad you hopped on the bandwagon Brendan. You chastised me several times for wanting an upgrade at safety. 

a57se
a57se

@Bubby Brister

Yeah Harold, turn your mind of and just be a fan!

Drink some Brawny while you are at it!

it has ELECTROLYTES!

Bubby Brister
Bubby Brister

@harold  

you mad, bro?

We already have 12 total picks...

In three years time, fifty percent of these guys will mostly suck.

relax and enjoy the ride...

harold
harold

@mrblint @harold


If two teams directly behind us traded back, then we got a call as well.  The difference in picks that close is about a 4th rounder.  A team would have called based on that just to see what we might take.  I just think we wanted more than they were willing to give. 

mrblint
mrblint

@harold Until you know of an offer to trade down you can't generalize. Just speculation.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Is there a single thing, seriously...a single thing, that implies Pryor doesn't take coaching well? 


Was it his three-years starting or his college coach glowingly talking about him as a person and player? Just want to pinpoint what gave you this impression. 

harold
harold

@bklyndude @a57se@harold


I don't pretend to know what the Jets value more.  I just can go off my years playing and watching.  Imo, we could have gotten more out of the pick.

a57se
a57se

@harold @a57se 

Exactly. he flashes quality play but his athleticism may hold him back and we'll see how well he takes coaching.

I would assume he checked out in that area as Rex knows Strong pretty well.

Pryor may turn out to be a really good pick........

harold
harold

@a57se @harold


Pryor was a good college player.  But to act like he is Earl Thomas or Eric Berry is a little crazy to me.  He may become a really good player but he is not that caliber of player.  So for me that is why I would take a similar player and get another good player later by trading down.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @harold

Who needs a scouting dept. and staff when the Jets can just go to theJetsblog.com and find out who to pick.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se But Bucannon doesn't have those. He's just a bigger, faster, stronger, better version of Pryor that everyone had rated lower than Pryor. 



#LogicVacuum

a57se
a57se

@harold

If you watch Pryors' highlights reels his instincts are off the charts...If you watch his cut-ups, he misreads plays more often then he anticipates.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se It doesn't matter who the team picks, you'd bitch and crap on it. 

bob
bob

@harold @Pete 57


lol..well I hope the Jets can draft one that you like really that would be good. Make me very happy to see my boy Harold happy.

harold
harold

@WW85 @harold


I hope so... If Pryor is a good player and Bucannon is as well, then this is a bad pick.  It is only a good pick to me if Pryor is a much better player.  For our sake I hope he is much better because he is on my team.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@harold

It makes sense only if the Jets valued Bucannon as much as you do,  which clearly the Jets, didn't otherwise they would have traded down.

a57se
a57se

@harold  

That is what being a fan means to some people...it wouldn't MATTER WHO we picked, they'd be cheering for him. That is fine by itself....

WW85
WW85

@harold I'd have loved to trade back as well, pickup Buc & get a 3rd or another 4th--then repackage that & get another 2.  But it is what it is. Maybe Idzik saw something really special in Pryor.

harold
harold

@bob @a57se@harold


I agree instincts are important.  But Bucannon has 15 career picks.  He has good ball skills and instincts as well.  I just think it was an opportunity lost.

harold
harold

@Pete 57


I am already re-watching film on a lot of day 2 guys now.  If you get started you can catch me...:)

bob
bob

@a57se @harold


I'm talking about natural instincts. There's a lot of guys who are talented. huge difference .. There a lot of safety's more talented than Ed Reed but they still are not Ed Reed.

harold
harold

@Brendan @harold


I understand, I just believe if the draft is as deep as we all think it is and you trust your whole board not just the top 20.  Why not trade down and add 4 good football players instead of 3 in the first 3 rounds?  I will be off my horse later today...don't worry just think too many people are praising the pick and not really looking at it objectively.

Pete 57
Pete 57

But you're completely discounting 2 things: the Jets obviously wanted Pryor, and second, we have no idea if anyone wanted trade up for the Jets pick. Jets got their man at 18. It's day two. Catch up.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold But, again, did the Jets want a "similar player" or this player. It sounds like they wanted Pryor for a while and didn't want to risk losing out on him (which almost definitely happens if they trade back to 27 or whatever). 

harold
harold

@Brendan @harold


We know they did because he is a Jet and I will support him.  I just think we could have gotten a similar player and got another quality player as well.

a57se
a57se

@harold

NO traded their 1st and 3rd to move up to Arizona's pick...you are being very reasonable Harold....

harold
harold

@Brendan @harold


The compensation would have likely been a 3rd rounder.  However, maybe Idzik wanted a 3rd this year and 4th next year or maybe a 2nd next year and a 5th this year who knows.  But it was probably too rich for another team's blood is my guess. 


Idzik is a good GM but I just think this may have been an instance where he overplayed his hand.  The reason I say that is the teams right below us made deals.  Hard to ignore that fact.

bob
bob

@a57se @harold

Im telling ya whan the play starts Pryor is gonna be one step a head of the offense just like ED Reed was Ya cant teach that.

bob
bob

@Brendan @harold


Pryor has something you just cant teach he just knows.. Pryors got it and that's why he just cant be denied and when that time came and he was sitting there. Jets where like awe we just cant pass on this guy.

a57se
a57se

@harold

They are eerily similar except Buchannon is faster, more explosive and bigger.

Brendan
Brendan

@harold I actually watched Bucannon tape more than Pryor because I thought Bucannon would be a potential 2nd round pick. 


I like Pryor more, but I'm still working through it. 



And if you don't stop talking up this 3rd rounder that you don't know exists, I'm going to scream. 

WW85
WW85

@Brendan @bob  I would not want to be a WR running anything into the deep middle. I get a headache just thinking about it. Are the Bills going to risk Watkins running a middle post route with Pryor back there? You have your 3rd string guy run that route right?

harold
harold

@Brendan @bob


Watch Bucannon tape and tell me if you think Pryor's is that much better.  I know I am harping but think you have got to play the board.  I just can't see him as that much better, that you would not want a 3rd rounder as well.

Brendan
Brendan

@bob Yeah, I wanted Dennard, but when they made the pick I pulled up some tape and so far I like what I'm seeing. 


If he can help keep the back end together, having him and Milliner as the core of the DB's for the foreseeable future is a nice foundation.