Ryan: ‘Geno is going to be hard to beat out’ as Jets starting QB

Jets head coach Rex Ryan was asked at the NFL Annual meeting in Orlando if Geno Smith had a chance to win the Jets’ Week 1 quarterback job. “I would say yes,” Rex said. “It’s going to be interesting to see the competition, but Geno is going to be hard to beat out.”

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

As we all saw, Geno had some rough times during his first season as an NFL quarterback in Marty Mornhinweg’s West Coast based system. In Geno’s last four games, the light seemed to switch on. While three of those games came against weak competition, it was his steady if statistically unspectacular performance against the Panthers that impressed me the most.

Of course, Ryan is facing these questions in the wake of last Friday’s signing of Michael Vick to a one-year, $5 million contract. Vick seems like he might have an inside track to start, despite the company line and Rex Ryan’s public statements to the contrary. Until both Geno Smith and Mike Vick see time together on the field during training camp, or in preseason games, don’t expect anyone to talk about Vick as being ahead of Geno Smith … Vick will need to prove it.

While having written all that, it still might take Smith having a very impressive preseason to remain the team’s starter. 




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John Michael Michael
John Michael Michael

Pete Carrol didn't say that same thing about Matt Flynn before camp. Just preach competition!

pisano
pisano

There is no way on an even playing field that Geno Smith can compete with Michael Vick, people can hate the Vick all they want because of this dog fighting crap, but talent  wise, there is no way Vick should be a backup to Geno Smith. Rex should really change his middle name to BS, because that's all he throws. If Smith starts, I will guarantee you by the fourth game of the season Michael Vick will take over.

marcus81
marcus81

ok Vick regrets signing with the Jets now that his starting job may not come true

jetsfan14
jetsfan14

I honestly don't know how anyone can anoint a winner to the QB competition in March. Training camp starts in August. Vick isn't the QB he was a few years ago, and Smith isn't the QB he was when he started camp last August. Vick's skills have deteriorated and Smith's understanding of the WCO has improved vastly. Maybe Vick still has some gas left in the tank, and he will win the starter's job, but that remains to be seen. One thing I'm fairly sure of--if it's close, then Smith will start. He has the most potential upside for the Jets. This is one case in which a tie will not go to the runner

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

Vick beating out Geno is not a good thing.    It shows that a 34 y.o., injury prone quarterback will hinder Geno's development, and at best we are back to square one next season, or game 5 when Vick should have an injury.


I prefer listening to the astute Phil Simms who said Geno is better than any QB entering th NFL this season.  That's good enough for me.

Matthieu Laughlington
Matthieu Laughlington

I am not a Vick fan for moral reasons, but he is clearly a better QB even now than Geno is, and I doubt that Geno will ever be anywhere near as good as Vick even at his current age. He is still fast, still has a cannon and is simply much more athletic than Geno, it's silly to even mention this because it's really that obvious. 

I wish we didn't get him, I'd rather lose than have him, but as an athlete and a QB he's head and shoulder above Geno.

metjetnet
metjetnet

(miketaliaferro) Brian, correction (per reports): Vick gets 1 yr./$4 million: $2M bonus + $2M base. Pricey, but still in the back-up ballpark.

they say competition at every position who is competing with mangold at center, wlkerson on the d line.  Competition is for positions which you have no clear cut studs

Hoz
Hoz

They said Vick deal is 4 mil guranteed with a 2mil signing bonus & 2 mil gtd.

williamg1
williamg1

If Vick clearly beats out Geno, they will play Vick. If you play Geno over Vick after Vick clearly wins, it would piss off the rest of the players. 


But, if its really close, they'll play Geno. 

johnnyl65
johnnyl65

I forgot my pacifier  I'll be right back.

williamg1
williamg1

"Good to Talk to BIg Chip today !! Say or hear what ya want !! The Picture speaks for itself !! Winner"


--DJax on Twitter


Lets speculate!

tish
tish

Can the loser (non-starter) of the QB competition play CB?

Hoz
Hoz

we need more weapons at the skill position & both QB will be alright no matter who start.

hazard2012
hazard2012

I'm not sure it matters who starts.   All said and done, the similarities between Vick and Geno far outweigh their differences; which may have factored into the decision to bring Vick in.   No way Vick simply gathers splinters on the bench all season.   Both Vick & Geno have a high chance of getting hurt at some point because of how they play---with Vick it's all-but guaranteed---so the odds of BOTH of them taking snaps this season seem equally high.   


Big picture is more complicated.   The Jets have to find the QB capable of leading the team Idzik is in the process of assembling.    Vick isn't the long-term answer for this team...but starting him now will delay/hinder an accurate assessment of just how good Geno really could be; especially when he's got some weapons to work with.    This decision isn't about 2014, but about 2015 and beyond.   

pisano
pisano

@Matthew Lafflin Agreed 100 %

levi
levi

@j3tsfan29  haha I could use this all day long on these people who want him to sign every FA out there.

metjetnet
metjetnet

@johnnyl65 (miketaliaferro) Or it could be that still-new coach Kelly is looking too much like the bad guy for running a Pro Bowler out of town -- no matter WHAT a Santonio-level P-in-the-A he may be...

j3tsfan29
j3tsfan29

May just be posturing. It went from trade or cut to trade or stay. Seems they are trying to force teams waiting for him to be cut to enter the trade battle.

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan  Presumably the $5m number didn't come from nowhere, so that's probably an NLTBE incentive.

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1  Hahaha, it isn't exactly a good picture of Chip, either. 

Hoz
Hoz

@tish  This is a major concern I hate that we have to take another cb in the 1st rd again.

Pat d
Pat d

A starting QB needs the off season snaps with the #1s.

Pat d
Pat d

It matters a lot which QB starts. Geno is a young QB and he needs the time and snaps with the #1s this off season. Splitting snaps with Vick this off season is not going to help Geno at all. It almost seems the Jets are incapable of building and supporting a young QB.

j3tsfan29
j3tsfan29

@a57, I'd hold out till Wednesday when chip Kelly has a media session to get a better idea what's going on but for now I'd say its safe to say we are not getting Jackson.

....waiting for news to break we traded for him just to spite me.

williamg1
williamg1

@Brendan @williamg1  haha, no it isn't! One can go a million different ways with the speculation. I personally have no idea what he means. 

Pat d
Pat d

What? BPA in the 1st.

tish
tish

@Hoz @tish I hate the idea of mediocrity at CB and I hate the idea of having to draft a CB in the first 3 rounds instead of having the freedom to choose the best player at a position of need. Moreover, the idea of a rookie starter and a sophomore starter at starting CB has to be giving Rex agita.

Pete Whalen
Pete Whalen

Almost all the great/ good QB's sat for a long while. Having young QB's play is a fairly recent phenomenon. So splitting snaps will not hurt Geno's growth. Patience. He was a second round pick. If he ends up one day only being good enough for 3 rd string no big deal.

cosmicwy
cosmicwy

@Pat d  In 2000, we drafted a QB in the first round with the 18th pick.  He did not start until 2002.  He became, statistically, the best quarterback in franchise history.  

Taking snaps away from Geno means nothing.  Let him sit. Let him start.  Just pull him from games which he's melting down in.

hazard2012
hazard2012

@Pat d  


That's just my fear, here.   This current Jets brain-trust hasn't exactly excelled in developing young QB's.  Quite the opposite.  They're much better at ruining them.   I'm not advocating splitting snaps, but fact remains that if Vick starts the season as QB it's only a matter of time before he gets hurt.  

Bent
Bent moderator

@Marcus Armstrong @Bent @Brendan  And since he didn't play much last year, those incentives could be treated as not likely to be earned even if they're quite low.

Pete Whalen
Pete Whalen

Why is is too late? It happened to Bradsaw, and Plunkett just to name a couple.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@boose2     It's not a bad thing at all unless your psyche is so brittle.  And if your mindset is weak,  you can't be a good leader in the huddle. Competition for a young QB should have Geno eager coming into camp.  

The level of QB play for the Jets has improved from last year's team.

juunit
juunit

@boose2  

I can guarantee you that Brett Favre did not give up first team snaps to a rookie. 

The point though, is the comparison simply is not apples to apples. Those guys like Rodgers, Brady and Pennington watched from the sidelines and studied. Smith was thrown into the fire. He already knows what it's like first hand. There's nothing for him to gain by watching from the sideline now. Competition may be good for him, but if he loses the competition there's really nothing positive for him to get out of that. There is nothing he can learn from not playing that he doesn't already know. He just has to play to try and get better. 

boose2
boose2

Too late to let him sit? Awarding him the starting position without having to earn it will hurt his development more than anything. He shouldn't be comfortable just bec he has a year under his belt..

boose2
boose2

A young Aaron Rodgers had to split preseason snaps with Brett Favre ...that really hurt his development!

Just don't see how a mentor & a little competition is a bad thing. Not buying it.

juunit
juunit

@cosmicwy @Pat d 

That's not really the same though is it? Smith has already gotten his feet wet and seen how it goes in the NFL. I fail to see what putting him on the bench now, after he's already started for a season, does for him. 

Aaron Rodgers sat at first too. So did Tom Brady. But they actually sat right when they came in, saw how things work, took time to prepare with NFL coaches, teammates and resources, then got their shot. Smith has already seen it. Whether that was a good decision or not, it's now time to put up or shut up. 

Pat d
Pat d

It's too late to let him sit. He already started a full season.

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

@hazard2012 @Tom in Raleigh  

The Jet franchise under "Woodrow" stinks in their treatment of quarterbacks.

All one has to do is go back to the end of Chad Pennington's days here and see how he was treated.

Money didn't come easy to Woody, he had to be born into it.

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

@a57se @hazard2012 @Tom in Raleigh  

The Jets do a lousy job in selecting QBs period!  Woody wants the headlines, the fans want the wins.

Favre?

Tebow?

Vick?   

Those aren't  "headlines for the wrong reasons players"?

stimeygee
stimeygee

@hazard2012 @a57se @Tom in Raleigh So you're suggesting we do what we did with Sanchez - NOT provide him with competition?


You can't have it both ways.  Either we give the young guy competition, or we don't.  We didn't with Sanchez, and look what happened.  So we are giving Geno competition now.


Personally I don't think it matters either way.  Either Geno will step up or he won't, and I honestly don't think it matters who's behind him.  Which is why I like the idea of having someone who can step in and play if necessary.


Also the idea that "the franchise" doesn't have a good history of developing QBs is missing the fact that there's essentially no such thing as a "franchise" in this context.  We had a new owner, what, 10 years ago?  A new coach 5 years ago.  A new GM and coordinator 1 year ago.  I can't cite the turnover in scouting, which is maybe more relevant - I think that's the only way you can really look at this as an going problem coming from specific people.


hazard2012
hazard2012

@a57se @hazard2012 @Tom in Raleigh  


Agreed.   If we're building for the long haul, then stay the course and assemble the right pieces carefully and then let the monster you've built out of the box when it's ready.     


In that context, the necessity @ QB this year is determining whether Geno is or isn't your guy moving forward, and to do that you get him some weapons.  Acquiring Vick confuses that decision and could potentially undermine the guy who many be your future...the same way Tebow undermined Sanchez.   That's what's confusing about bringing someone like Vick in.      





a57se
a57se

@hazard2012 @a57se@Tom in Raleigh 

That's why I didn't want Vick. draft another QB and Go with Geno, SImms and draft pick. If Geno wets the bed, let Simms play.'

Worst thing that happens is we lose....big friggin deal, wouldn't be the first time the Jets have had a losing season.

hazard2012
hazard2012

@a57se @hazard2012 @Tom in Raleigh  


I'm sure that's a big part of it, too.   All I'm saying is that the Jets need to do better and find their 'guy' and then develop, not undermine him, if they're to become the consistent winner Idzik wants to build.   Vick is a stop-gap, not the future...and in that context Geno is potentially infinitely more important to their long term success...unless they've already determined he's not their guy either.    

hazard2012
hazard2012

@Tom in Raleigh  


The Jet franchise has a poor record for developing young QB's or finding a system in which they can thrive.   Lack of continuity in OC's and philosophy, indecision re what they wanted out of the position/QB, on-off-field controversies, suspect coaching and lack of viable weapons all contribute to a less-than-ideal environment in which to nurture young QB talent.      

Tom in Raleigh
Tom in Raleigh

@hazard2012 Current Jets brain trust hasn't excelled? The current Jets brain trust has exactly one QB they have tried to develop. Geno.

Sanchez was under different coordinator and GM. Rex is the lone holdover.

Also, Sanchez was never given any sort of competition through a backup who could start. This is new territory.