Surprise! Focus group fans aren’t thrilled with the Jets gameday experience

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

Back in 2008, the Jets announced their desire to sell PSLs in their stadiums.  Now seven years later and three years into the new stadium, the Jets held a focus group with fans to discuss the gameday experience and (surprise!) we’re told that PSLs are one of the worst aspects of being a season ticketholding Jets fan according to Brian Costello of the New York Post.

The Jets heard from some unhappy customers. Not surprisingly, personal seat licenses (PSLs) continue to be a sore point.

“One issue that came out loud and clear is that the PSL holders are very dissatisfied,” the attendee said. “They feel trapped. They are going for less than half of what they paid for them on the open market.”

Much of the session was spent on the team’s image. The group was asked whether they believe owner Woody Johnson truly wants to win or is more concerned about making money.

The gameday experience was also a big topic.

“Pretty much everyone said it’s going downhill,” the attendee said.

This is true suffering.

Here’s an example of the opposite of that.

Remember when Peter King was manipulated by Giants owner John Mara into writing a column about how we as fans should FEEL BAD for Giants owner John Mara because he was building a stadium he couldn’t afford?

253d6e7d3eba22c52c93d30b4a604233-getty-We’ve written extensively about the perils of PSLs for years.  Instead of working ourselves into a froth, here’s a simple explanation of why Jets fans informed team president Neil Glat and others why the gameday experience was less than stellar:

For the sake of getting fans to help the Jets and Giants subsidize a shiny new stadium (that the teams chose to overspend on) many promises were made about what lay ahead to which few have been delivered.

Parking and tailgating will remain the same! There will be killer apps for every mobile device!!  You’ll get pre-sale access to the best ticket events … maybe even THE SUPERBOWL!!!  Your PSL can be re-sold as at a net gain, just like a taxi medallion!!!

Because the teams have failed at delivering time and time again, there’s a growing backlash and threat of PSL defaults that no amount of taut nubile cheerleader flesh can solve.

The obvious effect of getting fans to invest thousands of dollars for the privilege to pay for tickets has dramatically increased the fans expectations.  It has also driven out many loyal fans for the corporate golf-shirt set.  It’s a lot easier for Acme Heating and Cooling to afford the seats than a typical diehard.

So the gameday experience becomes more anodyne and the true fans sufffer and do so at a significantly higher cost … increasing the misery when the team hovers at a milquetoast 8-8.

We’ve said it before and we’ll say it again.  If the Jets want a panacea to fans woes?  Stuff the promises about pre-sale Justin Bieber tickets and put together a consistent winner … that is the best cure for a bad gameday experience


Read more about Bassett’s rantings on PSLs here:

TJB — Hey … Umm … How Much Would You Pay to Pay to Watch Jets Games?
TJB — PSL PR Not Going Well
TJB — 400K PSL Bidder Charged for Fraud
TJB — Phil Mushnick Rips PSL Sales
TJB– PSL Update
TJB — The Rundown: Parking & PSLs Stop Acting Polite, And Start Getting Real
TJB — Tail Wagging the Dog
TJB — Blue Horseshoe Hates PSL




102 comments
Jeff E. Guy
Jeff E. Guy

Thanks to PSLs, I have much better seating in the new stadium than I did in Giants stadium. And that's the way the world works, really. You can always improve your lot by giving someone some money. What I find far more irksome is the mandatory purchase of preseason tickets. On secondary markets, my $120.00 seats go for about $10.00 a piece. So, yeah, PSLs stink but I received value for the purchase. Preseason tickets are nothing more than really expensive bookmarks. 


My other annoyance: mandatory parking purchases. I use Port Authority buses for half the games which means I flush 6 games worth of parking down the toilet. Granted, that purchase isn't exactly mandatory but if you don't have a pass, they send you to satellite parking. That adds too much time to an already long day. 


a57se
a57se

Nice honest job breaking down the Jets free agency by over the cap.....I am sure they will now be considered a Jets Bashing group since they gave the Jets a C-.........

Steven Windeler
Steven Windeler

I blame the Giants. Couldn't have built a more uninspiring stadium. Check out the plans for the west side stadium and you'll see would this could have been.  

__fense
__fense

Note that according to Neil Glat, they've done focus groups like this for a long time, so it's not like it's something they are just doing now, or that anyone should be surprised. It's just the first time someone leaked it to the media. 



Anyway, as a college student without that much money, I've never been in the demographic to even think about buying PSLs, or season tickets at all. Still, I go to as many games as I can (4 last year, hopefully more this year), and perhaps it's because I don't invest as much into it, but it seems like my experience is different than everyone else on the internet. The most I've paid for tickets was $60, and usually I can get them for less.


First off, I take the train every game. I know everyone hates it, but I really don't. I live in Newark by a train station, so I don't have to drive anywhere, and while I don't need to rush to catch anything (Pretty much everyone has to transfer in Secaucus to get to the stadium), there's never that long a wait. Every once in a while I mess up the times and end up having to wait an hour or so for the next train, but that isn't a big deal, because Secaucus has some places to get something to eat (not at stadium prices) and to sit, then you get onto the platform a few minutes before the train arrives, and get right on. I've never not gotten a seat on the train, although one time I had to sit next to a Saints fan, who would have been pretty pleasant to talk to if they weren't the enemy. The train lets you out right next to the stadium, about a hundred feet from the gate, so there's no walking or anything.


The only real downside to going with the train is there's no tailgating, but that isn't that big of a deal to me. I still show up early, and while I've never gotten up early enough to do it, can in theory see the players walk in. regardless, I'll head over to the 50 yard line (still outside the stadium) where they have things going. You can get a card, or continue to have a card from the last game, that lets to swipe the barcode every 15 minutes at a little kiosk for a chance to win a prize. I've never been to a game without winning something (hats and scarves and things, and one time an autographed picture of Nick Folk), and there's always a line for people waiting to claim prizes, so I know I'm not just exceptionally lucky. One game, I was exceptionally lucky, though, and one a chance to have a tour of the Jets practice facility in Florham Park, and run some drills with Klecko and Lyons. In between the 15 minute Prize-checking intervals, they always have a former player signing autographs, They have games for kids, and in the end, It's an open space with turf, you can stand around on a playing surface and hang out with the people that you would be hanging out at a tailgate with if you were doing that, so all you really lose is the food aspect. 


So then once it starts getting to be that time, I head up to my seats. There's an unadvertised table in the 300 level walkway with a different person signing autographs (I found out about it by asking a person in a line to seemingly nowhere what was happening, and found out Randy Beverly was there). When I get to my seats shortly before player introductions. Now, I don't understand what people are talking about when they say poor sightlines, because I always get the absolute worst seats, up against the back wall of the 300 level, and I can see everything perfectly. There's not a bad seat, in the upper deck at least, so if anyone has a bad view, just pay less money and sit higher. 


Apparently my say is too long, so I'll break it up because I spent a while typing.

xplr
xplr

I've got to chime in here. I was on the waiting list for tickets for over 10 years. I finally got seats in the end zone (where else) but steadily moved up UNTIL.... Met life stadium. The upper tier, at least to me, is really high and steep. I sat there for exactly half of the home opener (against the Ravens) and then gave my seats away to my family. I discovered the secondary market for seats. Simply put, Jet tickets do not have huge resale value. As my income grew, I was able to afford better seats. I now sit occasionally in the Lexus club around the 50 yard line ($290 list, my average cost around $150), or more frequently, Coaches Club or Great Hall. Great Hall I think goes for $400 list; I have paid between 150-300). Coaches goes for $800, I have paid as much as $375. This includes going on the field plus all the food you can eat, and a great view from the lower level 50. And I don't have to pay some ridiculous PSL going for $10-50K!). Plus, I also don;t have to pay full price for worthless exhibition games. If I decide to take my kids to an exhibition game, I can generally sit in Coaches Club for around 50 bucks. 


The secret to buying tickets is to wait as close to the game as possible. I have even purchased tickets from Stub Hub on my phone at the game around 1215 pm. You can just scan your phone at the gate. 


I understand why they charge PSLs. If the Jets sold 40,000 season tickets an an average of a 10k PSL, that's $400 million! Think teams are going to give this up just because fans are dissatisfied? Think again. They already purchased them. And if they give up their tickets without selling the PSL, they will sell the PSL again.


Welcome to the real world. You don't have to play that game. Just do what I do, go to the games you want, and have a great time at a fraction of the price.

namvetjet
namvetjet

My group had season tickets for over 30 years and were able to get non-psl tickets in the upper deck. We gave them up last year. Have to agree with other posters---the game day experience has lost it's appeal. The camaraderie with other season ticket holders is gone in the stands and at the tailgates. Used to be that you would always see the same folks and friendships were established. The stadium at best is a mediocre one compared to others around the league. Food prices are ridiculous compared to other stadiums and is not as good. The commercialization of the score board and the annoying programmed chants just don't work for me. And of course the removal of the Cab Calloway Hi De Ho video was the last straw. We have been enjoying getting together at each other's homes to watch the games. Food and drink are superior and a hell of a lot cheaper.

maynard
maynard

I have been a Jet Fan since 1965. Never went to games growing up we couldn't afford it and we lived way out on LI.

In 1996 through my wife's boss, we got  tickets, to some games. really nice seats in front of the owners box. Then starting in 2002 we had access to a luxury box an pretty much from then until the end of 2008 we went to every game., windows open, and saw some great events ,  every week met the same great Jet fans w ho sat out in front of the box ,t he back to back wins over the packers and colts , wins over New England etc.

In 2009  with no more access to seats, I  bought 2 seats on a PSL that I could afford $5k each, ticket prices were $120 I believe, in corner of end zone field level. In 09 and 10 it wasn't too bad still excitement, still Fireman Ed riling up the crowd.  But except for the two people next to me , every week different people in seats surrounding us, usually fans of the other team. In 11, 12, 13 it got worse. Surrounded by fans of other teams. prices now up to $140, no sense of camaraderie and frankly the lame attempts on getting the Jet cheer going were embarrassing since the Fireman left.  The  'special " stuff of bringing fans on the field never got to me , though I went to every game but one. Food prices and beer went through the roof. 

 last year I took a road trip to Baltimore for the Raven game.  For the same price I paid for my corner end zone 33 rows up, I got seats , 2nd row, on the 45 yd line behind the Jets bench. Food and beer were 20% cheaper.    I was the only jet fan , bought the people around me beers and things were fine especially since we sucked.

NO MORE this year I am walking way from my season tickets and not paying my 4th of 5 yr payments on PSL.. they can sue  me, but I refuse to pay over the top prices  and be surrounded by people rooting for the other team.  Stuff your drum line, stuff your cheerleaders, I want to watch jets winning, and be surrounded by JET fans drinking beer,  High fiving after great plays,  and shaking the house with a Jet Cheer led by a Fireman not some weak ass paid drummer. I'll still go to games, buy cheaper seats on E-bay at home, hit road games when I can travel, but no more PSL. Woody is a millionaire, Goodell is a Millionaire, everyone on the field is a millionaire, I'M NOT. lower the prices , make a million a year less  and I,l\l come back, but we've been duped.

I watched Jet games for 25 years before going, I can do it again until these folks realize that without the fans they will make nothing and this is not the boom times economically for anyone except the 1% which includes Woody and Goodell.

Sorry I went on so long but man, I 've this team, and like people who love too much I'm a fool, but no more.




McGeorge
McGeorge

PSLs always were a bad deal for the fan.

If I was an owner, the moment I finished selling all the PSLs I'd  up the prices 10% a year later.

Then 2 years later I'd jack them up another 10%.

I'd squeeze the PSL holders because they have no recourse.

They are obligated to buy tickets, else the team can come after them.  At the very least they lose their PSL.


Lets say 10,000 default on their PSLs - cut prices back to where they were 2 years before, then sell them as usual.

The team still pockets the PSL money.


Better to watch at home, the only real loss is the tail gaiting.

Jets JuJu
Jets JuJu

If they're talking about the "Game Day Experience" then I have to say that's where I'm really disappointed.  The new stadium is the worst of any I've been to that have been built in the last twenty years (. Poor design, the food is terrible, the sight lines are terrible-  it's like they didn't put any thought into MetLife accept for "Today it's Green, next week.. Blue!"  great


Go to any of the newer round of stadiums for any sports, not just football- Philly, Red Bulls, Houston, even Citi Field (actually especially Citit Field because they tried to emulate what the Phillies have going on and they messed up-  but it's still a great experience).   It's made to be fun for the fans.  MetLife is like a cookie cutter stadium with nothing specific other than the super expensive amenities which aren't for us.  It's terrible.  


I have a friend who used to go to Shea to watch the Jets...  after dragging him to a game each season the past two years I'm sick of hearing him say "I've waited my whole life for this?"  It's true-  the Jets had an opportunity to do something great and they took the easy road.  They built a welcome center for corporations instead of a mecca to the Jets and Sundays for us fans.



All this being said-  tailgating is still an incredibly good time out there.   

levi
levi

A few years back I went to a game in Buffalo but thats it. How much would it cost to go to a Jets game with good seats?

williamg1
williamg1

@a57se  "Grading free agency for a team not looking to build or even enhance much through it is difficult. There is almost no risk to what the Jets did which is a positive, but the upside is very limited. Despite all the money that had at their disposal they only improved at two spots- wide receiver and backup QB. You would have thought that they would have been able to find a defensive back and/or interior lineman that could have contributed for three years at a moderate cost. Safety, corner, and guard are three spots that the team could look back on with regret in October depending on how the draft picks develop. Nailing down at least one of those spots in free agency should have been a priority to reduce the natural risks associated with the draft, especially considering the Jets have close to $30 million in cap space."


Jason will now be called "hysterical" and "a complainer" for saying what many of us have been saying. 



xplr
xplr

@Steven Windeler  The Hudson yard stadium would have been a nightmare. There is very limited parking and absolutely no place to tailgate. Trying to build a major stadium That seats 5 times the number of MSG just a few blocks from the center of NYC is so ridiculous that I'm amazed it even got consideration. 

__fense
__fense

@Steven Windeler  Do you have a link to those plans? 


Also, I didn't think that the Giants had anything to do with stopping the West Side Stadium, it was the people with property there, specifically Dolan. 

xplr
xplr

@__fense  Good post. Personally, I find sitting up in heaven not to my liking. I would rather watch the game on TV. However, if you don;t care where you sit, you can definately sit upstairs for around 20 bucks if you're patient.

__fense
__fense



During the actual game, There's good and bad. I think the drumline is a great idea, and It's the best way I've heard of to get the Jets chant back. I'm biased, because I played in a drumline in high school, so I like the idea of a drumline more than most, but my biggest complaint is that there isn't more of them. They should have more songs that they can play (or at least get some new songs over the course of the year), they should play them more, and most importantly, they need to work on their timing for the Jets Chant. Right now, they only do it a few times a game, and it's always filling the TV commercial lull. What they need to do is be willing to do it during the kickoff, so that the chant happens while the ball is in the air, like how it used to be. You never hear it on TV, but it's not because it isn't loud enough, it's because they never do it when the TV cameras are rolling. Every big play should be followed by a chant, and I hope they get better about doing it, because unless some other Fireman Ed appears from the fanbase, It's either the drumline doing it naturally or Kevin James telling everyone "It's time to do the chant" once before the game and that's it.  


They've got stuff to put up on the Jumbo tron, which are nice, although they do get a bit old. They should record more versions of players hyping up fans, and then hold them back so every game there's one you haven't seen multiple times before. They also aren't that great at showing replays of things on the jumbo tron, again only doing them during TV Timeouts. I'm not really sure what they can do, from an organization perspective, to improve these things, other than to go bigger with them. They don't have a pirate ship with a cannon, but they have that air raid siren, so there's that.


Honestly, the biggest downside is the fans. There's usually empty seats, which bring up the price point, but I can never shake the feeling that if I'm able to find seats for $20, the section around me should be filled with Jets fans who also paid $20. I know I'm not getting the only seats for under $40, so I don't know if the 'fans being priced out of the stadium' argument is as valid as people think. Obviously it's a problem in the lower bowls, where tickets are expensive, but they're still affordable up in the nosebleeds, but Jets fans still don't go, and the ones that do seem to be more interested in complaining than in cheering. Every game there's at least one drunk guy in a Pennington jersey who only switches from booing to cheering when a Jets player gets hurt. I don't understand why, but there's a large faction of this fanbase, and you see it on this blog all the time, that seem to hate the Jets. Guys that go out of their way to denounce every move the team makes and the guys that can spend 3 quarters of the browns game shit talking Milliner as Milliner is shutting down Gordon, and then leave early. I know everyone always says that if the team would only win (like they aren't trying or something), then fans would start liking the team, but it's not that simple. We'd get a lot more home field advantage, and we'd win more, if there was more actual cheering going on. When you look for reasons to complain, of course you're going to find some.


Anyway, I never get any food, because it's too expensive and I'm able to not eat for 5 hours in a row so it's not a big deal to me, so the next thing that happens is the game ends. It seems like half the crowd would rather beat the traffic than watch the end of the game that they are always saying they are spending too much money for, so the stadium isn't that crowded at that point. After the game there's usually an interview with a player that did something in the game, and I keep meaning to try to get down to field level and be right by the tunnel as players walk off, but I've never done it. Then I walk down to the trains. Now, this is where there's always a line, usually close to 45 minutes to board, but it's not really that bad, especially when the alternative is to wait in the larger line of cars. They've got TV screens everywhere, that are usually showing SNY (and therefore the postgame pressers) or the late games. The issue there is that there's no sound. They have speakers set up, so it wouldn't be that hard to pump in the press conference audio, or at least closed caption it or something, but they don't, so the screens are sorta useless. You eventually get on a train, which takes you back to Secaucus, and then transfer onto the train home. There's a wait there as well, but what else do you expect from trains? It's cheaper than a parking permit, you don't need to pay for gas, and I don't need to worry about anyone around me still being drunk as they drive home. It's worth the extra time, in my opinion.


And then as far as the stadium itself, 'Cookie Cutter' is probably the perfect way to describe it. Very gray, with very little distinguishing features, but that's not really a bad thing, in my mind. The last stadium we played in did have distinguishing features, if you remember. The seats were painting in team colors, and it even had a team name on the side. I'm sure glad we got the hell out of there, Maybe one day we can get the dream of the west side stadium that's all green and white, and is shaped like an airport terminal or something, but as far as a two-team stadium goes, I'd rather have grays than reds and blues.

Ron Alexander
Ron Alexander

@ifti99  You did a great job here and although I completely disagree about understanding about the PSL's I do think you are on to something. I don't disagree with how you handle it, I disagree with the very idea of PSL's in Giants-Jets stadium. As two of the wealthiest owners in the NFL Woody and the Mara's's basically got a new stadium  for half price. If they had gone with their original plan and each got their own stadiums I could almost understand the need for Obviously that is not the case so after 35 years as a season ticket holder i told them to stick it! Have not set foot in the new stadium and probably never will as the 2 hour drive each way plus at least another hour trying to get out of the parking lot not to mention the ridiculous cost of parking,concessions and all the other gouging they do just became a pain!

bradysucks
bradysucks

I can see that very clearly. Hank & a57se at a Bucs game together.

Hank you'd be cheering wildly for the Bucs and 57 by the end of the game would piss off everybody in the vicinity of your seats...

I've yet to meet a NYer who has moved to the south or west coast who misses NY or NJ. Bottom line is you can still root for the teams you grew up rooting for and everything is nicer and usually less expensive

a57se
a57se

@Hanknaples  

That's OK Hank........I haven't gone to a live Football game in a long, long time......my eyesight isn't that great anymore and I can enjoy the game much better at home. Plus I am a diehard Jets fans, not a Bucs fan or a Texans fan or anything else for that matter.

Monty
Monty

@maynard  that is a great one...They should just pay the fireman to use video of him on the board.. no one would know.. The drums dont work..

a57se
a57se

@maynard  

Nice post! You hit the nail on the head......they want more and more of our money for less and less value.

a57se
a57se

@McGeorge  

They pocket the money twice....when guys who have paid two or three years on a PSL default, they resell the PSL at full price to some other schlub....... THEY WANT people to default on them.

a57se
a57se

@Jets JuJu  

Ironic that the best part of going to the stadium has absolutely nothing to do with the game or the team......TAILGATING!

Monty
Monty

@levi  140 a ticket...50 bucks for parking  or you can go cattle drive..


I dont remember howc much the food costs .. I dont look at it I try to block in out...but Im thinking 10 bucks for anything,,,and 7 or 8 for beer. 5 for water..it adds up to like 400 bucks to be around yelling drunks  , corporate people who dont care, the other teams fans, and some good people

a57se
a57se

@williamg1

Yeah because, after all, it is way too early to judge anything ....I mean there are still training camp cuts and cap casualties we have to look forward to!!!!

rstysanchz
rstysanchz

@__fense @Steven Windeler  im working right by the hudson railyards right now...there isnt much room over there...as much as i would love for the jets to not share a stadium with the giants im not sure the west side was the best location 

__fense
__fense

@ifti99 @__fense  I'm not at all afraid of heights or anything, so I've never been bother by how steep the stands are, although I can see why someone would. But I'm pretty sure I like sitting up there. You get much more of a top-down view of everything than you do in the lower bowl, and there's always the jumbotron if you want to see something zoomed in (although they could do a better job of showing replays up there instead of random cell phone pictures that fans have taken) It's like watching the all-22 film live.

xplr
xplr

@Ron Alexander @ifti99  Ron" You made your decision and I agree with it. However, it's hard to fault the owners for turning down hundreds of millions. I probably would have done the same thing. Having been buying and selling tickets for years, I could have told anyone that certain teams do not have great resale value. The Mets, Jets and Nets (when they were in NJ) come to mind. What that is, i'm not sure. 


Anyway, it's still an outrage that teams force season ticket holders to buy preseason games that no one really wants and have next to no resale value.  I happen to like going to games if I can sit in premo seats at my price. Still, with today's modern technology, it's cool watching at home, especially in inclement weather.

Lloyd Jay Reife
Lloyd Jay Reife

@bradysucks  

I was born and raised in Brooklyn.  Moved to Queens.  Always NY teams for me.  I then moved to south Florida, and cannot stand the Dolphins more than the 2 days a year.  Good thing Florida is basically a "college" football team state, when the Jets play here, it's like their 9th home game.

Been a Knick, Jet and Met fan all my life. I hope I reached .500 with them overall to this point.  Go NY!!


williamg1
williamg1

@bradysucks  "I've yet to meet a NYer who has moved to the south or west coast who misses NY or NJ."


This is so true. 

Monty
Monty

@bradysucks  thats why la doesn't need a team .. were all transports from someplace..lots of jet fans out here..I do miss the games though.. there are moments when being at the games is magical.Its just few and far between.  That first Rex Ryan pats game in the old stadium..The loudest Ive ever heard.  When sanchez brought us back against the texans...most of the drunk and corporate fans were gone..

a57se
a57se

@Monty

The ironic part is that the unique Jets chant lead by fireman Ed was destroyed by the idiot fan.

williamg1
williamg1

@a57se @maynard  And we wonder why Woody runs around telling everyone that their goal is to compete this year. Now, granted, they are supposed to compete -- and they will. But I'm just wondering if Woody's recent public comments are directed toward those with PSLs. 

Monty
Monty

@levi  I think the sight lines and angle of the new stadium is better than the last.. I can see the action a lot clearer from generally the same seats. I like the video boards .. I feel like this stadium was designed tso that the game is the thing.. everything is pointed to the game.. and I dont mind that.. Im there to watch the jets play I dont need anamatronics and stuff..I like the green fireworks.and intros

a57se
a57se

@rstysanchz

The West Side was a PERFECT location for the Jets.....so was Suffolk County on the old Pilgrim State hospital grounds......greedy politicians got in the way of both. (Democrats by the way)

lamjones
lamjones

@williamg1 @bradysucks  It is mostly... although when I lived in the South and was waiting in a line somewhere I kinda missed the good old NY pace!

williamg1
williamg1

@Monty @williamg1 @bradysucks  I haven't watched the games at a bar -- just at home. But I heard there are a few spots in N Hollywood and the Valley that fans meetup. 

williamg1
williamg1

@Monty @bradysucks  Personally, I love being a Jets fan in LA. Since so many games come on at 10am, I have a perfectly good excuse to get wasted early on a Sunday morning. 

__fense
__fense

@Hanknaples @a57se  Speaking of Footing the bill, The people of Tampa paid for that stadium, while Metlife was privately funded. Any talk about expenses should include that, because it's the only stadium in the league that everyone isn't forced to pay for through taxes.

a57se
a57se

@Hanknaples

Well their costs are probably significantly higher then in Tampa as well......plus they have state taxes on top.

a57se
a57se

@Monty @a57se 

I am talking about the death threats and abuse he took after wearing a Sanchez jersey.....that's what lead him to stop doing the chant.

Monty
Monty

@a57se @Monty  I know .. I was in his section... people would scream at him the whole game to get up and do the chant...it had to get annoying .. they should just hire him to do it..or use video... or hire someone to do exactly what he did.. It worked well

Monty
Monty

@williamg1 @a57se @maynard  it definitly is.. my brother holds our PSLs because I moved,,, and he doesnt want to keeep paying if were rebuilding,, hes not paying for the tix just yet..Im sure a lot of season tix holders are doing the same.. we let a lot of probowlers and...

..ive said it a million times... but this team could be a lot better today than it is.. as a person spending a lot of money on tix...I wouldnt be too eager to spend for this year just yet..

lamjones
lamjones

@williamg1 @a57se @McGeorge  Yeah, but if it wasn't for the PSLs they would just force state and local taxpayers to put up public money to fund the replacement of perfectly good stadiums... oh, wait...

Sean Groman
Sean Groman

The stadium is the biggest problem to me. I have had season tickets for the last 30 years in my family and it's not the same. There is absolutely no intimacy the old giants stadium used to have and I feel that 70 percent of the stadium is only partly paying attention. When seats are empty between the 40s most of the game, especially the end - I wonder why didn't those people watching on TV in the club areas stay home to begin with. If I could bring back Giants Stadium I would.

Monty
Monty

@levi @Monty  I would say go... Ive had great times there...and the place is definitely More family friendly than it used to be. 

I would just get the tix off of a reputable ebay seller.  If my brother keeps his tix he always sells a couple of games.. being at the stadium is a good experiance.. it could be a lot better .. but most of that is people and price.. you can bring your own food in.  



Monty
Monty

@boomer @levi @Monty  thats horrible..Yeah the drinking gets crazy..Its no ok to be drunk anywhere .. accept a sporting event.. Honestly I think some people use it as an excuse to get wasted. They dont care about the games they just care about getting juiced..

I went to a denver game in 2005 I think..At mile high.. we were losing 30-3 and when I went to the bathroom a random srowd of bronco fans started chanting things at me...youre winning 30-3 guys :) 

I havent seen jet fans abuse out of town fans.. usually its the out of town fan trying to get in the jet fans face..especially pats fans..oh my god.. but dont ask them who tony eason is .. they have no idea..

levi
levi

@boomer  damn Massholes!!!


Yeah, Im not sure I even like the stadium experience. I just thought I should go to at least one Jets home game. I do enjoy training camp in Cortland though.


boomer
boomer

@levi @Monty  I went to see the Jets-Pats game in Foxboro last year with a couple buddies.  At halftime one of my friends went to the men's room and while he was standing at the urinal some random drunk smashed his face into the wall opening a huge gash over his eye.


We spent the second half in the infirmary and dealing with stadium security.  They never caught the guy.  So all we got for our "game day experience" was half a game of football and 6 stitches.


In related news, the bar stool at my favorite club is free, the beer is cheaper, colder and plentiful and I can hit the men's room without fear of having my head shoved into a wall.

levi
levi

@Monty  Im thinking about going to a game this year. Like I said I went to Buffalo and watched the Jets play and I didnt enjoy it much. There were fights constantly happening all over the place. It was an 8pm game though so I assume people were more drunk than at a 1pm game. I was hoping being at Jets stadium would be a better experience.