The Rundown: Everything has changed unless nothing has changed

Rex Ryan

Coming off the loss to the Panthers, the focus of the head coach’s Monday’s press conference was what his status with the team was. As best he could, Ryan answered the barrage of questions and in essence all he said was that he believes in himself and he believes in where this team is going.

While the coach believes in his players, Steve Serby of the NY Post pointed out that Ryan wasn’t sure what will come for him on Black Monday, now just two weeks away.

[Ryan] was standing behind a podium in the press room, proudly wearing a white Jets hat and a gray sweatshirt with J-E-T-S in green letters, when the interrogation began, and he was trapped in the line of fire.

He doesn’t know where he stands with rookie general manager John Idzik, doesn’t know whether he will still be standing when the dust clears from what is certain to be a third straight season on the outside of the playoffs looking in.

Is it darkest before the dawn?

Dom Cosentino wrote for the Star-Ledger that Ryan was optimistic of the future of this team and thinks it is headed in the right direction over the long-run.

… there [...] came a question about whether Ryan ever stopped to consider where things might have gone wrong, given where this franchise was three years ago compared to today.

“Again, I guess I kind of disagree with you,” Ryan said. “I think that this team is on the right path. It might not be reflected in our record right now; I understand that. But I believe this team is going in the right direction.”

Whether the team is going in the right direction can’t be determined until after next season, but it is quite clear that the team was outgunned in 2013 by most teams. With lots of money available to the Jets in 2014 free agency and a good set of draft picks expected for the Jets the team will be able to get better quickly.

Maybe it is for all those reasons that Manish Mehta writes for the New York Daily News that Rex deserves to be back in 2014, even if it might not be what the new GM wants right now.

The owner saw what has been apparent all season: Ryan inspires his players. They don’t quit on him. The Jets lost to a more talented team.

Ryan deserves to be back, but there’s a fair case to be made that Idzik should have an opportunity to hire his own head coach to help steer his fate. Johnson’s unconventional decision to fire his GM and retain his head coach a year ago, of course, set in motion a strange season where Ryan never escaped questions about his future.

Whoever was going to be hired by the Jets last offseason as GM had to allow that Rex Ryan staying on as head coach at least for the first year was part of the deal. Some might have withdrawn without that control, but it seems the pragmatic Idzik knew it wasn’t a long-term problem.

It is Idzik’s pragmatism that Newsday‘s Bob Glauber believes will determine the fate of the Jets current head coach.

What’s important to remember is that Idzik isn’t evaluating Ryan in a vacuum. Idzik has worked for several organizations with prominent coaches. He was around Tony Dungy in Tampa, and he was with the Cardinals and GM Rod Graves, now Idzik’s assistant GM with the Jets, and saw how Ken Whisenhunt got them to a Super Bowl.

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So no matter how Idzik feels about Ryan, he has coaches with whom he can compare him. And if Idzik believes he can be a better long-term fit with, say, Bevell or Whisenhunt, both of whom offer the advantage of having offensive backgrounds that might be better suited for the current NFL, there’s a good chance he will suggest to Johnson that they go in another direction.

No one seems to have any true insight into what John Idzik is thinking and that might be by design. That said, Idzik’s constancy might be the one thing we can expect given the situation

Ben Shipgel writes an excellent analyses, focusing on the man who will likely make the recommendation to the owner and who is still very much an enigma even to those who cover the team on the beat.

… the notion that Idzik will base his decision on a singular event — a blocked punt, for instance — or even on Sunday’s loss or the outcomes the next two weeks, runs counter to how Idzik has operated since taking over 11 months ago.

Idzik is methodical, hardly the impetuous type, and he has had enough time to form a full and informed opinion of the coach he inherited as part of the conditions of accepting his job. The chances of that opinion changing drastically, of Idzik’s feeling far better or worse about Ryan’s coaching philosophy and proficiency, because the Jets finish at 7-9 instead of 6-10 or 8-8, are unlikely.

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Context is everything … [p]erhaps Idzik has already reached his decision — be it the day he was hired, sometime in training camp or at the season opener. For all the speculation that Ryan needs to save his job, what if it were never really in danger? Or conversely, what if he never had a chance to stay on?

 

Spending too much time speculating on what will or won’t happen or what decisions are or aren’t made are enough to drive me insane. The point is, this whole situation is very confusing but a lot will start to come into focus for 2014 very soon.

The Jets still have two games to play and nothing is going to be decided or undecided in the meantime.

301 comments
ijets
ijets

The Jets certainly surpassed many folk's expectations for awhile before the bye week.


My hope is that Idzik gets the opportunity to put in his coaches to run the Jets on the field.  Nothing against Rex, but I think it maybe time to build on what the Jets have without Rex.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

I don't know who Idzik would hire as HC, but if he forces him to play our 2nd rounder, Geno, for another 16 games to see what he has, the new HC will have about the same record. Projections are a pipe dream, so until / if Geno proves he's an NFL caliber QB he isn't one. And as a 2nd rounder in a weak QB draft he has a lot to learn and a long way to go so how many years do you invest waiting for something to happen? Remember, the NFL is littered with higher draft picks that never became franchise types, so no way is it a gimme that the Jets grabbed a raw one in the 2nd round and got lucky. 

A smart organization would hedge it's bet and draft a QB in what is  deemed to be a once-in-a-decade QB rich draft.

buddyryan
buddyryan

Letting Rex go next year would be a mistake....what the Jets need to do is end the Geno fiasco, release Sanchez, draft a QB and sign a veteran QB. It's not Rex's fault the Jets have had the worst 5 year QB play in the history of the NFL. It's a miracle what he's done despite Geno and Samchez.

Randy Wilson
Randy Wilson

Jets will hire a new coach and Rex Ryan will get demoted to defensive coordinator.He will be allowed to be interviewed for other coaching jobs and if he doesn't get one, at least he has a job. He would be dumb not to take that deal.

Chances are he will be dismissed and someone will hire him a week later as a defensive coordinator. No way he isn't in the NFL next year.

davem
davem

Bent, Bassett, SNY.... I humbly ask you to remove Joey, currently JetFuel, from this blog. His hijacking of almost every comment section is more than most of us can bear. I'm not threatening to leave, I don't roll like that... But he's choking the life outta this blog, I mean regulars not overall traffic and comments (which I'm sure Joeys artificially inflating himself.)

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

"Ryan deserves to be back, but there’s a fair case to be made that Idzik should have an opportunity to hire his own head coach to help steer his fate."


I've said this before, but doesn't that sentence make it even MORE of a reason for Idzik to keep Ryan? If people think Ryan deserves it, or at least accept Idzik giving him one more year, that will absolve Idzik from a disappointing 2014, even if it is Idzik's doing. If they stink next year for any reason, he has a get out of jail free card in his back pocket, and can hire his own head coach with very little skin off his nose for the failed 2014 that will fall completely on Rex.

McGeorge
McGeorge

Its not just Rex, it's all the coaches he's brought in.

How good was the QB coach working with Sanchez?

How about the receivers coach prior to this guy?

For Dustin Keller to say (2 years ago when Tom Moore was brought in as an offensive consultant) "I didn't realize the importance of route running, I thought I could get by with athleticism".

That's a huge indictment of his receivers coach or tight end coach.

The Jets are undisciplined and frequently have too many men on the field penalties.

They have a lot of Neutral Zone infractions (especially Mo Wilkerson).

That's all coaching.

Rex runs a loose ship, and as brilliant he is as a DC, he's not a good OC.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

Hate the Phins but would rather we get the highest draft choice possible now that we're out of it. It'd would make the best out if a bad situation.

Tyrone Garcia
Tyrone Garcia

The fins broke our back in 08 to knock us out at home. We need to brake their hearts in Miami in the last game so  that they are knocked out of the playoffs that to me will make up the year.

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

Do you remember the GIANT fans obsession with keeping Jim Fassel? He went to a Superbowl.  The G Fans were so eager to keep him, even though he clearly produced an undisciplined Team which spoiled the pro players.  This is why he was loved as a Coach by players, but the dysfunction was obvious.  The Giants were lucky at moments to get into the SB with Fassel, much depended on lackluster competition, good fortune.  

We are stuck even further with an image/identity obsession over a cult of personal fostered by Rex Ryan.  Too many are lost in mirroring over the mindless decisions and dysfunctional management, including the hapless OFFENSE for five years, due to some concept of a likable personality.  But Ryan's hubris and unprofessional style is actually a symbol for his folly - it is a crutch to overcome his incompetence as a HC.  Ryan cannot manage a Team.  

No matter who you bring in, even if you can attract some quality QB (but the real big free agents will never want to play with Ryan), the end result will be the same.  An ad hoc, emotive, wing it, hope for luck offering which fails to actually develop a strong Team.

arc34
arc34

We need to lose the last two to improve our draft position for next year....that's the reality.

Tyrone Garcia
Tyrone Garcia

I say keep rex and get the secondary fixed along with some real offensive players. I like Geno he has the arm he just needs the brain and legs to work better If the jets can someway bring Adrian Peterson to this team it will surely get us 3 more wins.I think the defense is set we are just another RB and wide receiver away Rex has shown what he can do with a good team he was so close to a SB that I believe getting rid of him will set the defense back, Bill belicheck had the same problem in Cleveland, and look what he did when he got himself a smart QB keep Rex. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

I understand the frustration so many people have. I really do. What I don't understand is why Rex Ryan is the target of so many people as a scapegoat. The guy went to 2 AFC Championships in 5 years. He has a great defense every year. He has done this without a QB and without a quality General Manager. Tannenbaum was not a football guy and Idzik had a salary cap disaster he inherited.


The owner of the team has allowed the GM's to get away with not drafting playmakers who are of quality. Good coaches need talent to win. When Rex had talent in 2009 and 2010 he showed that he can take the Jets deep into the playoffs. This is an organizational failure. It isn't all on Rex. The Jets should renew Rex's contract and retain Morninweg and Idzik should spend money and use draft picks to fix the offense

McGeorge
McGeorge

@buddyryan Lets say the Jets drafted a good (but not great)  QB.  Who would he throw to?  Would Winters be the starting Left guard?  With offense the Jets had this year, no QB would have a good year.  They Jets first order of business is to get 2 decent receivers and a decent Left Guard.  Then get a  QB.

(and get a  CB and safety and linebacker while they are at it.  A return specialist and punter would be good too.)

djf1
djf1

@Randy Wilson There's no way that is happening.  I don't get people who keep trying to push this fantasy.  

McGeorge
McGeorge

@davem I just ignore him.


Whats killing theJetsBlog is this new format.

I cant post from work, and from work it doesn't even display properly.

I can't find out who responded to my posts.  I can't find a listing of my posts.

This is much worse than the old format.

joemustgo
joemustgo

@davem Seconded. How bout a poll on this topic?

bob
bob

@DarrolRayFanClub


If your the GM how would it reflect on you letting a popular head coach go.

I don't think that would reflect on your position to well if you don't have a good year. having said that the guy that would let go Rex would have to be Woody Johnson.

joemustgo
joemustgo

@DarrolRayFanClub I suspect Woody is already on board with giving Rex one more year, so Idzik actually carries very little risk on this.

levi
levi

@jetfuel This is your 68th comment on this thread. How about giving it a rest? Even if I agreed with anything you say I would get sick of hearing it 68 times.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@jetfuelI thought the same and wondered about ALL the questions. It was as if the reporters covering the club heard something. One or two questions, OK. But it was a feeding frenzy with all on board.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@jetfuelIt's a landslide. 100% of voters believe Rx will not be back in 2014. Of course only 2 people voted, so who cares...unless those 2 peeps are Woody and Idzik.


A better poll would be "Should Rex be back in 2014?" That would tell us how the fans feel.

Hanknaples
Hanknaples

@Tyrone Garcia :

Tyrone FORGET IT !!

The 'Phins leapfrogged the Jets with Ross's Millions and 12 Picks this offseason.

Granted, Ireland made a Huge mistake in NOT signing Albert and Leach or they woul've won the Division!!!

But as it is, they will give NE a huge fight if they make the playoffs!!!

Pettine is the only real obstacle in their way !!!

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@steel_nyc Ryan spends 14 hour days at the facility winging it and hoping for luck? Hmmm. 


Jim Fassel was replaced after seven years by a coach that led the most successful expansion team in NFL history, one that improved for it's first six years and went to the playoffs in their 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th seasons as a franchise, including the AFC Championship game and a 14-2 record once. The Maras were not going to just fire Fassel for just anyone, they felt Coughlin was a major upgrade due to his experience and personality and seniority. I'd like to know exactly who you are talking about replacing Ryan with, otherwise you are just one of the many anyone-but-Rex-in-2014 people that fail to mention a viable replacement and can't see the forrest through the trees. 

Brendan
Brendan

@steel_nyc  So, having the knowledge that the GM is responsible for the roster and the coach is responsible for coaching it is being "lost" as a fan?



bhjets
bhjets

@steel_nyc B-I-N-G-O! I've been saying this for 5 years but not as eloquently. He may be a good defensive coordinator with adult supervision, but he's no head coach.

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@bradysucks : Are you kidding?  If you were going up instead of spiraling down, there might be a case for keeping the failure.  Instead we see epic downfall.  The JETS were LUCKY to get into the playoffs the first year.  Ryan inherited a good ground game from the prior Regime.  Yet, Ryan made enormous mistakes even in those first two years - something we gave him a pass on with some good fortune and being a new HC.  However, three dreadful years later reveals the full impact of failed leadership of Ryan.  Rex was culpable in determining talent when Tanny was the numbers guy deferring to Ryan.  Rex made the decisions to make Sanchez the franchise, and cling to him after it was revealed a mistake.  Ryan is the one who mindlessly made a mess in the QB situation for several years now.  He cannot develop talent.  He cannot produce a healthy system which grows a sound Team with a competent Offense.  No matter who you put in as OC or QB, Ryan's inability will continue to produce a failure.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@McGeorge Yeah, it's so easy to find a franchise QB that we have them lined up on our roster same as other teams. It's much harder to find a WR, LG, S or CB because its not a QB-driven league and every draft has QB's like RGIII, Luck and Wilson, right? If so, why does the NFL tout the QB Class of 1983 (O'Brien, Warner, Kelly and Blackledge) if franchise type QB are so common?


Sorry, but that's just bizarre.

juunit
juunit

@djf1@Randy Wilson


Fantasy? What fantasy? No fantasy here.


Also, I just won the lottery, and they're gonna let me keep all $636m, no taxes or anything.

jaygo
jaygo

@McGeorge @davem 


Functionality is an issue but you can deal with it with effort.  Effort is an issue when the end result is listening to the relentless Joey/Hank/57/Spent monotonous repetitive boring jet bashing.  Agreed this blog needs more aggressive moderating to return to its prior self.  Can deal with the new format even if w don't like it.  Gotta be hard core to deal with the nuts.  Not enough hard core to keep Bassett et al from quitting their day jobs.

levi
levi

@joemustgo Haha throw the poll up, I bet it gets more votes than his.

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@bob @DarrolRayFanClub Another good angle on it -- he's not only removing a potential 2014 fall guy, but putting extra 2014 pressure on himself by firing a popular coach. Especially if he is replaced by a first-time guy like Bevell.

arc34
arc34

@Brendan @McGeorge He meant HC and his point is right on.  We need a coaching change, that's obvious.

frustjetfn
frustjetfn

@jetfuel@frustjetfnI'm also going to root for any lousy team that has a similar record but could get behind us in the draft if they win out. I know it hurts, but in April we'll all be happy if we don't miss out on the guy we want because the team picking ahead of us had one less win.


I also hope this is the last time I ever have to do this no matter who our HC is.

levi
levi

@Hanknaples I think they can absolutely beat the Phins.


I dont ever remember you bragging up Pettine until he left.  Was he always one of your favorites or did the job hes doing in Buffalo change your opinion?

levi
levi

@steel_nyc  Rex cant develop talent?


Kerley, powell, Wilkerson, Coples and Richardson all seem to be progressing quite well. I would argue that he helped develop Revis and turn him into a household name too. There are others too. Its fine if you want Rex gone thats your opinion but to blindly ignore his talents is wrong.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@steel_nyc@bradysucks


You look at Rex and dwell on the negatives. There is plenty to like about Rex. He has a great defense every year. His players love him. He is great at recruiting free agents. He does have flaws but these can be fixed. He needs a GM who will address the offense and put in place the talent needed to win. Just about every Giants fan wanted to fire Coughlin before he won 2 super bowls. The best organizations keep their coaches long term and the ownership puts them in position to have success, The Pats, Steelers, Ravens, etc all stuck with their coaches long term. Scapegoating one guy is just plain naïve

joemustgo
joemustgo

@Brendan @arc34 And at least one is named Woody. So unless Idzik feels REALLY strongly about going in another direction, I think Rex is staying for at least two years since they will probably have to extend him by 2.

Brendan
Brendan

@arc34 Relax, I was making a joke, it's just football.


And that's not obvious, there are many of us who want Rex to stay. 

jaygo
jaygo

@jetfuel @frustjetfn 


The two of you should get  hotel room and pleasure yourselves in private.  Had enough of your repetitive boring posts.  Come up with something new or say it a different way or get lost.  Please.