The Rundown: Fallout of the Mike Williams Trade

After the 2013 NFL season, it was evident that the Jets needed to update their roster on the offensive side of the ball.

NFL Network’s Kurt Warner summed it up well on SNY for the Jets and Geno Smith in 2013:

“I don’t think [the Jets] had many pieces around Geno Smith last year.  So he was asked to do a lot for a rookie quarterback.  I think we saw times where he did some really good things, made some impressive throws that make you say ‘wow this guy has got a chance’, but he also pressed a lot.  Or there were timing issues and there were times when it didn’t seem like he knew what he was looking at.  Which again a lot of rookies go through.  It’s just accentuated a little bit when you don’t have a very good team around you.”

The team might have made some strides in that department this offseason, but there’s still more work to be done.

While jettisoning Santonio Holmes last month was something of an addition by subtraction, the team went out and added Eric Decker near the outset of free agency.  Still, the team would be wise to add one of the talented young receivers in this year’s NFL Draft class, which is among one of the most talented receiver classes in many years.

So with the news that the Tampa  Bay Buccaneers traded Mike Williams change the dynamics for a team like the Jets who will draft behind the Bucs in the first round?

SI’s Chris Burke certainly believes so:

Even before trading WR Mike Williams to Buffalo for a sixth-round pick Friday, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers figured to consider drafting at receiver at No. 7 overall if one of the top two options — Sammy Watkins and Mike Evans — happened to be on the board.

Now, Tampa Bay is an obvious landing spot for either player, with the Williams trade leaving Vincent Jackson and a whole bunch of nothing on the receiver depth chart.

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We’re deep into free agency at this point, leaving little in the way of impact players on the market. So, all the signs definitely point toward the Buccaneers heavily considering drafting a receiver in the top 10.

CBS Sports does a nice job of laying their mock drafts side by side.  So quickly scanning the WRs drafted in prior mocks (before the Bucs trade) reads as if the Jets are (generally) the third team that would be drafting a WR.

With the Bucs trade though, they get rid of Mike Williams and put themselves squarely in the fray for one of the draft’s top two receivers.  Of course that means that there are teams drafting behind the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who will be faced with the dilemma of drafting wide receiver that might not marry up with their ranking of draft picks.

Just this week, the Jets were reported to have interest in Kelvin Benjamin, a massively framed receiver (6’5″ 240 lbs) with decent wheels (4.61 40 yard dash) to match.

You can’t coach 6’4″ either and that doesn’t seem to have done Stephen Hill many favors in two years with the Jets.

I know, I know  … it’s a totally unfair comparison, but left in a vacuum that statement about coaching size begs for criticism.  Not always, but Mike Tannenbaum had an affinity for athletic players with good metrics who could jump out of the gym (Vernon Gholston, Vlad Ducasse, Stephen Hill) but whose skills didn’t always translate on the football field.

The difference of course with Benjamin that decouples him from comparisons to players like Hill is that he comes battle-tested from a Florida State program that just won the BCS over Auburn and he accumulated over 1000 yards and 15 touchdowns in his final college season.  His crowning performance came in one of the biggest games of the year in which Florida State routed SEC powerhouse Florida.  Benjamin posted 212 yards and three touchdowns.  Benjamin compares much more closely with a player like Plaxico Burress or Braylon Edwards because of his size, athleticism and willingness to play tough.  Even so, he’s not a polished route runner and can drop too many passes.  It should at least be some cause for concern.

Other players that the Jets are matched up with at receiver are Brandin Cooks, Odell Beckham Jr. and to a lesser degree Marquise Lee.  Each player offers different attributes that the Jets could greatly benefit the Jets.

I for one would love it if the Jets drafted a wide receiver in the first round.  That said, drafting wide receiver just for the sake of doing it is never the right move and wholly depends on what talents fall to them at varying positions should they stay with the 18th pick.  The good news here is that there are plenty of players at receiver who might not even be drafted in the first round, but are extremely talented, nevertheless.

With two or now potentially three receivers off the board by the time the Jets pick at 18, what it might boil down to for the Jets is their willingness to draft a player that offers them a more specific level of talents to their offense.  While there still will be plenty of quality receivers for the Jets to draft at 18 or into the second and third round, they are going to have to be more selective about the type of receiver they are bringing in for the longer term.  Will it be a small and speedy deep threat?  Will it be a powerful brickhouse?  Will it be less splashy receiver who might be ready-fit for the NFL?  The Jets have some big decisions ahead.




170 comments
Logan
Logan

stephen hill..ghastly player...has almost no natural football instincts...not a good pick

maxjet
maxjet

If any of the top 4 quarterbacks are available at 18 the Jets will have plenty of interest by teams needing a qb. It would be interesting to see if they do trade down for a pick this year and at least one high draft pick next year.

WW85
WW85

Anybody look at Jordan Matthews?

Michael Conklin
Michael Conklin

The talk about trading down further reinforces my concern that our 12 picks are a bit of fools gold that are providing a false sense of security. 9 of these picks are 4th and later; picks that are statically m

kniff
kniff

Look, I'd sign up right now for Decker, Kerley, Beckham, and Amaro....


Can I get a hellyeah???


Nelson, Ford, and Hill are welcome too... you never know what might transpire in camp.

UncleJoesJetFarm
UncleJoesJetFarm

Irsey is a mess! Even though he has the power and big bucks, he has one liability that many fail to realize.... he is human! 

Kirk Michael
Kirk Michael

Our first two picks have to be ODB N AMARO. They both have something special to them watch there tape. Amaro isn't scared to go across the middle he blocks and he can be a big time tight end with decker kerley n odb. Odb has an electrifying part of his game that I cant get over man, hes the real deal n receivers like him smaller faster quicker guys are known to be able to produce before the bigger guys that sumtimes take time to get them up to speed wen odbs hands n athletic ability can produce rite away. So with twelve picks we should be able to swing getting these players and its only adds to a great young core of players. These are two cant miss players.

chicagofan
chicagofan

Given the depth of this draft, is there a possibility the jets trade down?  For example, what would they get (points based) for swapping picks with a Philly or Seattle?  Just curious.

boose2
boose2

I think it's laughable to assume Jets are, or should, pick a WR 'no matter what' at pick 18. If they have a player who grades out to be next Ed Reed or T Suggs, there is no way they are passing it up. Sure there will be an uproar with the fan base at first, but lets look at an example from 2 years ago:

2012:

5th Blackmon

13th Michael Floyd

20th Kendall Wright

30th AJ Jenkins

33rd Brian Quick

43rd Stephen Hill

45th Alshon Jeffery

54th Ryan Broyles

63rd. Rueben Randle

None of these 1st or 2nd RD WRs had 900 yds or over 5 TDs their rookie season (I realize they are all only 2 years in, but maaaaybe 3 will ever even sniff #1 WR status, IMO).

Good franchises draft good players. If Rex/Idzik thinks Dennard/Pryor/etc. is gonna ball... that's who we should take. Just ask the Portland Trail Blazers... they NEEDED a big man so they HAD to take Sam Bowie.. they didn't need Michael Jordan.

(I realize NBA & NFL are 2 very different sports, but I'm just making the point that you don't pass on potential HOFs because you 'have' to address needs)

*apologies to anyone that had to read this 2x, but I posted to an old thread last night.

maynard
maynard

If you look at our best receivers since Keyshawn none were 11st rounders, Chrebet,Coles,Cothchery' Santana Moss, none were 1st rd picks. So in a deep draft waiting to 2nd rd to get a WR and taking someone else at 1doesn,t disturb me....too much

Nick Congello
Nick Congello

I think a better route to take is to draft a 2nd round cornerback and a tightend in the third round

Pat d
Pat d

The first two picks don't have to be any specific player. If the Jets pick a WR in the first the best fit would be Lee, Cooks or Beckham.

Kirk Michael
Kirk Michael

Lookig at benjamins tape hes a good player but odb gets open n makes room for himself to then break the big play becuz he has the speed to do both Benjamin doesn't do that. Decker and the te we get will help us in the redzone. ODB N say we got c.johnson they get us the 60 yard home run n kerley continues to be consistent n we gots an Offense!!!

Paul Samuels
Paul Samuels

@chicagofan  What is the incentive for either of those teams to move up? A more likely scenario is the Browns passing on a QB at 4 and then a guy like Bridgewater there at 18. In that case, I think that the Jets would have a good chance of trading picks with the Browns. They would pick up an extra 3 or 4. 

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@chicagofan  


Moving down is something Idzik should at least consider given the low risk - high reward.  Yes, you need to have trading partners willing to give up a 2nd or 3rd rounder to move up to make it worthwhile, but in a draft as fluid as I expect this to be that shouldn't be a problem.   Think we're all going to be surprised at who's still there at 18.   


We're guaranteed a top quality pick in the first round, regardless; an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder in a draft this deep could really kick-start the building of this team. 


bradysucks
bradysucks

Somebody is cherry picking drafts???

How about the fact that every time in Jets history they went to an AFC Championship it was with WR's drafted in round 1 (rinse & repeat)

Braylon Edwards (round 1)

Santonio Holmes (round 1)

Keyshawn Johnson (round 1)

Wesley Walker (round 1)

Al Toon (round 1)

Busted!!!!

They were ALL 1st round picks

a57se
a57se

@boose2  

Who has been saying we should draft a WR at 18 NO matter what? 


marcus81
marcus81

@maynard except for Chrebet who caught 70 balls his first year most of those receivers took some time to develop

a57se
a57se

@maynard  

If you look at our best receivers since Keyshawn you will notice that NONE of them were true no. 1 WR's and NONE of them were all that good.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Santana Moss was a 1st round pick

Wesley Walker was a 1st round pick

Al Toon was a 1st round pick

Keyshawn Johnson was a 1st round pick

Basically the best receivers we've had on the Jets were 1st round picks because that is where you usually find elite talent

jdb4
jdb4

@maynard  

That's why I've been thinking they might draft Calvin Pryor in the 1st round and then take Allen Robinson and Donte Moncrief in the 2nd and 3rd rounds

kniff
kniff

@Nick Congello  If that is what happens, I will certainly not complain.. CB is our weakest area on Defense.

The general consensus here on the blog seems to be " for the love of the Jets PLEASE draft Offence first Idzik!!"


However, if Mack falls to 18, I am FULL THROTTLE in on grabbin' em'!!

lagoo
lagoo

When Benjamin is covered he's still open odb can get smothered I wouldn't be mad if we drafted Benjamin I'll be worried about cb

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@Paul Samuels @chicagofan  


The incentive in moving up is almost always getting a particular player you're really really high on and who perhaps also addresses a specific need.   Look at the teams picking immediately behind the Jets...from Miami all the way to say SD, at 25.    Someone who tops their boards could still be there when the Jets go on the clock at 18 and it might be worth a 2nd or 3rd rounder for them to get that 'special' player.   

boose2
boose2

@bradysucks  


Ok.. I cherry picked one draft that was 2 years ago, which seen 9 WRs taken in the first 2 rounds.  I agree talent is different from year-to-year, but lets look at a larger sample size.  From 2003-2012 (still not using 2013 because they were rookies), there have been 38 WRs taken in the 1st round.  11 of them have played in a Pro
Bowl.  11 of them.  That's a 29% hit rate the last 10 years (7 of these 11 were top 10 picks as well).


IMO, to be considered a '#1 WR' (which we so 'desperately' need), you should be making the Pro Bowl.  


I will be the first to say that we need more playmakers on Offense...but lets not be stupid doing it.

boose2
boose2

Just different posts I've read...saying Decker ain't enough, if we don't take a WR at 18 we are setting Geno & Rex up to fail, last time we took a WR in 1st RD was on 01 & Santana was playmaker we needed, so this year it's a must.

Not calling anyone in particular out. Just replying to some of the opinions I've read.

marcus81
marcus81

@a57se @maynard Keyshawn did drop some balls in big games and he could not go all the way unless he was near the red zone, but still one of the Jets best receivers ever

maynard
maynard

Coles crotchety chrebet were not as I said they were our 3 best since Keyshawn . We don't need. First round receiver this draft we need the best available player. If and it's a big if, Geno develops this year get him a second target better than Decker , but for now we,d draft a receiver at number one who will get 40-50 catches to lead the team at best. It's the QB who make good receivers great, great receivers don't make below average QB,s better than average

marcus81
marcus81

@bradysucks Coles was a first rounder too and maybe the best overall game breaking speed and good hands

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@jdb4 @maynard  


Pryor's an option, so is Dix, but the need is more for a CB...Gilbert of Dennard.   One could argue any of those four as solid first round picks...then go get your WR later.  I really like Moncrief, and think he might well be the sleeper in this crop of WR's...with true #1 potential for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.  I'd love to pair him with Cooks or Beckham.

maynard
maynard

It all depends on how players grade out and who's left

1969JAN12th
1969JAN12th

@Stanley Bostitch  I don't see any evidence that Bridgewater is better then the current Geno Smith. And,  Phil Simms mentioned that if Geno Smith was in this draft, he would be the top QB.


"I think if Geno Smith was in this draft class he would be the number one guy, without question."  PHIL SIMMS



Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@jdb4 @Hazard2012 @Stanley Bostitch  


On one hand I might agree with you, except in taking Teddy...or Blake or Johnny Football ...you not only lose the use of that pick on another top quality player, you also invalidate picking Geno AND invalidate signing Vick.   


Taking a QB now, at this stage, means you're chasing your tail and working in different directions going nowhere.   Jets are too good at doing this as it is.   


The only way to determine if Geno is The Man is to give him some weapons, an improved line, and see what he can do.   We've already heard many say that if Geno was in this draft HE'D be the top rated QB...so there's no guarantee any of these guys will fare any better than he did...especially if they're working with the same anemic weapons and suspect line.    

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@WW85 @Stanley Bostitch  


Now you're talking!  Crazy, yes, but you'd be crazy not to seriously consider them.   Crazy, too, not to consider picking one of the top OL if they fall.   


These won't be sexy picks, but they'd be hard to argue with in the bigger picture.   Quality WR's CB's & TE's will be there in rounds 2 & 3...but the likes of Mack, Barr, Robinson, Matthews, Lewan, even Martin could all anchor their respective positions for the next ten years at Pro Bowl type level.    Now THAT's value!  

jdb4
jdb4

@Hazard2012 @Stanley Bostitch 

All due respect man, but if Bridgewater is there at 18 and they think he can be a franchise QB, the Jets should take him, regardless of the offensive weapons.

Yes, we all acknowledge that Geno had his bright spots in spite of the lack of offensive talent around him, but he has also not sold anyone that he is a franchise QB.

 You take Teddy and if Geno works out then you flip Teddy a year or two from now.  If he doesn't you have a franchise QB potentially waiting in the wings. 

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If Mack falls maybe but I think taking Calvin Pryor would be more prudent.  Mack seems more suited to Coples's role in Rex's defense than he does Pace's.  If the Jets want a replacement for Pace they can groom one from later in the draft with a guy like Michael Sam or Tyler Starr

WW85
WW85

@Stanley Bostitch  What if Barr or Mack fall? I think there is a small chance one of them falls. Be hard to pass down. I think there is also a shot Manziel will be available.

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@Stanley Bostitch  


IMO Jets would be foolish to even consider a QB with any high pick.   They can't afford to reboot their QB situation now at the expense of acquiring much needed weapons on O.   


They can get their #1 WR, their #1 TE and their WCO third down RB out of this draft.   They have Vick short term, hopefully Geno proves he's the man, long term; but worst case scenario you assemble the offense now and go get the QB to fit it next year.    It's working backwards, but we're talking about the Jets, remember.   

Hazard2012
Hazard2012

@boose2  


This is exactly the kind of flexibility I want to see from the Jets on draft day.    Target on 6-8 players you're in love with and absolutely want on your team, regardless of position, and then go get one of them.   If you can do that and move back, getting extra high round picks in the process, all the better.   Use need to break any ties.  

boose2
boose2

Best case scenario... the Jets' intelligence will know who they want by draft day (meaning they are in love w that player) ...& hardest decision is debating whether they wait for him at 18, or if they can trade up/back & get their player. WR or not.

boose2
boose2

But I'm not passing on a Ed Reed for a solid player at a position of need. Granted there is no guarantee Rex or Idzik see that HOF potential in any player this year.

a57se
a57se

@boose2  

Bryan Thomas was a solid pick. He just wasn't a flashy player but he was very good.

boose2
boose2

I would love another rookie of the year... don't get me wrong. But I believe it takes 2-3 years to really grade a draft pick. I just don't want us to draft a WR at 18 solely bc it's the biggest need. I want us to draft the player with biggest potential to help the team.

I want the Ed Reed pick (the best player)...not the Bryan Thomas (the pick to fill a hole)

Eileen Yiu
Eileen Yiu

@boose2  i agree with this, we have so many holes except for DL that if we pick BPA it will fill a need... all this talk about #1 WR's, how many are there in the NFL? 31? who was Denver and Seattles #1 WR? you get as many good players as possible and go from there... in my opinion of course

a57se
a57se

@boose2  

It almost sounds like you want the draft pick that will make the biggest splash as a rookie.  That is not always the best choice.......most first rounders take time to develop, just look at our own successes over the last few years...Wilkerson was a lot better his second year then his rookie year but we all saw the potential, That is all I would want from a rookie WR at 18, contribute and show that you have the potential.

boose2
boose2

I agree with that whole statement 57. & I know there are educated fans in this forum that have done their homework on potential WRs that may be available at 18...

...& I like to think Idzik has a good idea on who he thinks these WRs may be. But if he thinks ODB, Cooks, Lee, whoever is best available WR at 18, but doesn't see them as a potential #1 WR, or they think our best value for a potential playmaker can be found in a later round, I don't want them to take the WR in 1st round just bec that's our biggest need.

My point was drafting a WR in RD 1 doesn't guarantee a #1 WR...esp in rookie year. Draft the player we think will have best value.

a57se
a57se

@boose2  

I think the idea that Decker isn't enough is very fair as he is more a quality no. 2 receiver than anything else. We need a no. 1 WR and there are several candidates in this draft that MIGHT be available at 18. If they ARE there when we pick, it would be foolish not take one. If they are gone, then a trade back or selection of a different position would work.

a57se
a57se

@levi @a57se 

That is probably a fair point....it can seem like more then one or two guys after awhile.

levi
levi

@a57se  Maybe it just seems like there are a ton of them because of how often they post about needing a WR.

a57se
a57se

@levi @a57se@boose2 

2 guys...so then respond to them.....why the generic missive on two different threads?

a57se
a57se

@marcus81 @a57se

Keyshawn is arguably the third or fourth best WR in Jets history.....that is sad.

levi
levi

@Hazard2012  Pryor is more of a SS and not a need as we have Landry and Allen for that.