The Rundown: Owner Woody Johnson looking at positives of the Jets 2013 season

Brian Bassett, TheJetsBlog.com

When you are the head of a billion dollar organization, it doesn’t always help to be swayed by just what has transpired in the last week or three. This might be the case with Woody Johnson, who spoke on ESPN NY before the kickoff of the Jets 37-27 win over the Raiders. The troops might be beleaguered, but in his interview, Johnson didn’t use vocabulary that would indicate he’s waiting for the season to end so that he can make a coaching change.

Brian Costello wrote about Johnson’s positive comments for today’s NY Post.

“I’m pretty happy with the way things are going,” Johnson said.

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Johnson said the decision on whether to keep Ryan will not be based solely on the team’s record.

“It’s really the direction of the team and how we think the learning curve is going and whether the young people are absorbing it, and whether it’s a formula that can help you win,” Johnson said.

Johnson’s coming forward to speak on radio seems to coincide with at least one exhortation for the GM to speak with the media. Maybe Idzik would have been interviewed by ESPN NY’s home team himself on Sunday, but having just done so a month ago and dealing with the death of his father this week might have precipitated Woody stepping into the void.

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The NY Daily News’ Manish Mehta read between the lines of Johnson’s comments, and agrees with Costello’s assessment. While the season might have been tumultuous, Johnson indicated that he’s more concerned with the trajectory of this team come season’s end than much else.

Although Johnson wasn’t specifically asked about Ryan, the owner suggested that the offseason may not be as tough as some believe it will be (with the obvious implication that a coaching change is on the horizon). The boss offered Ryan more than a glimmer of hope by suggesting that patience could prevail over impulse.

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“We make those decisions after the season,” Johnson said when asked about potentially sticky choices that may have to be made in a few weeks. “It’s really about the direction we think the learning curve is going and whether the young people are absorbing, and whether it’s a formula that can help you win. … It’s a complicated thing. At the end of the day, you want to give players the opportunity to win, which is what I think we’re doing.”

While the Dolphins game was tough to look at for many reasons, one of the biggest problems was how the rookies performed on the whole. Allowances must be given to the fact that the Raiders are a much less competitive team, but the rookies played much better collectively Sunday. Geno Smith had a successful day in the air and had more scores than picks. Dee Milliner was in on a number of key breakups and Brian Winters was effectively hid, at least for one game. Second year players Quinton Coples had his third sack of the season and Antonio Allen had a crucial punt-block and score.

The next three games will be hard. It is a tall order for the Jets to beat the 9-4 Panthers on the road before taking on the rather frisky Browns and Dolphins. Wins are going to be helpful to Rex, but according to Woody won’t be the only factor.

Can the team avoid getting blown out? Will the Jets play competitive football in if they don’t win? Can the young players show more improvement and be put in spots to be successful?

With the cap room and draft picks the Jets have coming to them in 2014, the cavalry is on its way. The question will be whether Ryan is recalled first by his commander in chief.

40 comments
mrblint
mrblint

This team is a couple wide receivers away from being very very good. NFL fans ore the greatest over-reactors in sports and Jets fans are the worst of all. Most were picking the Jets for the basement this year when anyone with a brain should have seen a mediocre .500 team with a huge upside given their cap problems and their youth. This year their weakest position was easily Wide receiver. As the season plays out they watch as Winslow, Kerley, Holmes, Gates, and Hill all get injured. Add to this a rookie QB and you have the recipe for disaster Yet, they are somehow still alive for a playoff spot. 

So far this year the Jets have shown that they can beat the teams with the great high scoring offenses. However they lose to even mediocre teams with strong defenses. This is pretty much consistent with their poor receiving corp/rookie QB. When the Jets receivers are healthy - and if Geno has a "good Geno" day they can beat these teams. But those two conditions have not been present against any of those teams so far this year (Titans, Steelers, Ravens, Dolphins). The jets will have some decent cap space next year - to go with a full slate of draft picks to get Geno some help, plus Marty will be on board to help influence the drafting for offensive help...so I am actually quite optimistic. I have been a Jets fan since Joe Namath's rookie year and I can tell you that firing Ryan would be a mistake. We have really never had a coach (with the exception of the carpet bagging Parcells) that could put any kind of consistent product on the field - and Ryan clearly puts out a consistently good - and often great defense. And we have had ZERO coaches that have had more than one appearance in the AFC championship. Most of the fans on this forum act like they can't remember the early 90s (let alone the 70s - talk about dark ages). I remember - and it sucked. Now a days we have a team that is in contention every year - and if they can get some receivers (very achievable) and/or find a real franchize QB (more difficult)- this team could become great.

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

They would be incredibly foolish to keep Rex Ryan.  

This NFL is based on favoring the Offense.  We have an overtly hyped and overtly paid Defensive Coordinator who is pretending to be a Head Coach.  Ryan cannot manage a Team.  He simply cannot create a functional system which develops talent or a quality Offense.  The Ryan experience is always a manic uncertainty, lacking consistency, discipline, strength, focus, etc. 

Some simply are so lost in the fake image of Ryan, not the actual product.  Some are also lost on getting by on one cheap win over a disastrous Raider Team.  Ryan is going to want big bucks to return, and simply does not deserve it.  This preseason alone was a fiasco.  So many embarrassing moments again this year.  Getting lucky at times is not quality coaching.  

Sadly, I think the JETS with this ownership, some mistaking Team loyalty for Ryan devotion, and some others lost with memories of the overt Ryan bluster, will encourage more folly with a Ryan return.  No doubt many in the Media want it, purely for the circus entertainment factor.  But we JET fans should encourage a serious, quality, sound, organization to be proud of, this is not it.  Time to go.  He had his five years, we live with the embarrassment.

Jeff E. Guy
Jeff E. Guy

I posted this before so call me Harpy McHarpums. Since 1969, the Jets have averaged one new coach every 2.9 years. Over that same period, the Steelers averaged one new coach every 14.6 years. You don't win championships by firing people. Extend Rex Ryan. If you have issues with him, then get him some consultants to help him work those things out. 

Rob Urban
Rob Urban

Rex Ryan is New York, he stands up for what he believes and is not afraid to say it. I hope the Jets give him another contract. He may not have the best game management skills, and may not know a thing about an offensive game plan, but we knew that coming in. Let Idzik bring in some more skill players in the off-season and I think we can go places sooner than later. Change is not always the answer, the best teams in the NFL over the last 15 years have all had stable coaching staffs, IE: New England, the Giants, Steelers, Ravens, Colts (with Dungy), and even an argument can be made for the Saints. Not to mention the players love the guy.

bharper42
bharper42

It all makes sense now.  They want to see players progress.  On that basis who can we say Rex is progressing?  QB, WRs, OL, DB?


Millner no, coples no, WR= trash all of them, kerley is a 3 at best 4th on better teams, OL no.


It's smart for the front office to look at progress because it gives them a better indicator of how the coaching staff is developing players for now and the future.  I think we can all say (even you ryan supporters) that progression isn't happening.  At least at any discernable or beneficial rate.


Ryan is responsible for all aspects of the team despite his reluctance to get involved in the offense.  This reluctance or even belligerence could cost him his job.


I hope so.  What HC doesn't know what's going on with his offense.  What HC worries more about coaching and doing what he loves most "teaching" the DL than that horribad excuse of a receiving corps.


And why would Lal get a pass.  None of these receivers are improving.  They dropped how many balls this year?  Do they ever get separation?  Are their routes correct or run properly?  Stephen Hill?  Kerley with 32 catches is your top WR!  LOL.


I want a full house cleaning.  Rex bewilders me.  I just can't see how you can be a HC and not know what is going on with your offense and year in and year out put the same putrid group out there.  OMG.

marcus81
marcus81

this team needs to improve it's roster, the WR's are basically back ups except for Kerley and the O line  needs another good lineman, 

Rex needs to finish strong to keep his job, no more unprepared embarrassing blow out performances by both the offense and defense.
another year of how this team has played the past few seasons is unbearable

SackDance99
SackDance99

I'd say that 1 more win and the football world would have to say that Rex did a great job with this team.  2 or more and Rex should be an honorable mention for coach of the year.  Injuries and the ups and downs of rookies in key positions have caused the offense to be one of the worst in the NFL.  Thus, the defense, which is coached by Rex and has a number of rookies/young players in key positions, has carried this team and is 1, maybe 2, players away from being truly dominant.

Also, the revolving door in personnel has caused special team disruptions, but they can still be as good as it gets in the NFL, like yesterday showed.  I'd like the whole coaching staff back because, on balance, this team has overachieved and that should speak volumes for the future.  I was down on Rex after the Buffalo game, but the 3-game slide reflected the meager personnel on the offensive side.  Give Geno some semblance of talent at receiver and he can be competent.  The last 3 games may tell us a lot about the personnel, but the coaches have done the best they can with the talent available to them.

Brendan
Brendan

Yeah, it was really great timing by Manish to call out the GM for not speaking the week his father died. Class, class, class. 

a57se
a57se

    Ryans' job should not be in jeopardy. This team has been built around rookies and the attempt to have them learn on the job.

No one should be expected to flourish given those operating parameters and it is a testament to Ryan they have done as well as they have.

I hope this is not the model the Jets employ in the future.....

jaym
jaym

Bassett is that a picture of Corey?

NYCPEinGermany
NYCPEinGermany

@steel_nyc

They would be incredibly foolish to fire Ryan. He is not the cause of their woes and has a lot to do with their being a surprising 5-4 before the 3 game meltdown. Want a scapegoat? Look in the rearview mirror, they fired tanny last year.

Or does the team need to make the playoffs no matter what kind of a salary cap hell and bad draft the GM hands him (talking tanny, not idzik - too early to tell on him).

How many head coaches consistently win with jokes at QB - the most important position an any team? I think you are mistaking the embarrassing moments - most on offense - with ryan's bluster. Is offense his responsibility too? Sure, yet he was saddled with OCs (can we really call sparano an OC?) that sucked for years and these were not his choices. 

This year he chose marty and often (no, not always) the O has looked better - especially when playing receivers not bagging your groceries the week before. 

As for the preseason - I didn't wish it on him, but sanchez getting hurt was probably the best thing both for him and the team. Most people who complain about that now couldn't dig sanchez's (figurative) grave fast enough the day before preseason game 3.

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

Keeping failure is a massive mistake.


No one should ignore the train wreck Ryan has provided for the past 3 years, with a team in decline over his tenure. Let's stop the denial.  Let's stop the enabling.  Ryan had his five years.  Rex Ryan cannot manage to create a healthy system which develops talent or creates a balanced, disciplined, quality TEAM.  He will never make a healthy Offense in an era designed to favor the Pass and Score.  Wasting more money on an overpaid Defensive Coordinator posing as a Head Coach, who has repeatedly produced a dysfunctional circus is a massive mistake.  Some are lost, like Keidel, on a fake image.  Keidel's latest rational for keeping Ryan?  A team didn't quit because they played the horrid Raiders.  That is the lackluster standard for keeping a dysfunctional coach after 5 years.  Instead of the failure, let's try to inspire the JETS to finally become a class, serious, organization dedicated to excellence.  Time for Ryan to go.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

100%.

Gotta stop firing every coach. You def don't fire a coach with a winning record and playoffs wins on his résumé.

Took bill cower 12 years to win one with the steelers. Would he have lasted that long in NY? Doubt it.

marcus81
marcus81

no decent team would want these WR's except for Kerley, the defense except for the DL and Antonio is the strongest part of this team, even though they don't play with the same intensity every week. Millner looks like he has a shot to improve.

Bent
Bent

"Millner no, coples no, WR= trash all of them, kerley is a 3 at best 4th on better teams, OL no."


Wow.  I disagree with this comment so much I don't know where to start.

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@marcus81  - Indeed, but it is time for Ryan to go.  The next season will be just as uncertain, just as weak.  Doesn't matter what QB you get, Ryan cannot create a healthy system to develop talent or build a quality balance TEAM with a healthy offense.  He is an overtly paid Defensive Coordinator posing as a HC.  Time for the bluster to go.  Ryan was paid big time for his five years.  We will waste another massive amount for more dysfunction.  Time to go.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

Unbearable? Lol did u watch this team in the early 90s? I was a kid and it still haunts me.

bradysucks
bradysucks

@SackDance99



I'd agree Sackdance99


Most people thought this team would be 1-15 in pre-season. Geno is one of the lowest paid QB's in the NFL. The Jets haven't drafted a true number one receiver since Keyshawn Johnson and that was over a decade ago. They haven't had a true number one running back since Curtis Martin. They haven't had a true dominant all purpose tight end since Mickey Shuler.


Considering this all it is fair to say that this team and Rex have over achieved. This is an organizational failure. They need to learn how to draft on offense and fans need to be patient with a young team that is clearly rebuilding


bradysucks
bradysucks

@SackDance99 I'd agree Sackdance99


Most people thought this team would be 1-15 in pre-season. Geno is one of the lowest paid QB's in the NFL. The Jets haven't drafted a true number one receiver since Keyshawn Johnson and that was over a decade ago. They haven't had a true number one running back since Curtis Martin. They haven't had a true dominant all purpose tight end since Mickey Shuler.


Considering this all it is fair to say that this team and Rex have over achieved. This is an organizational failure. They need to learn how to draft on offense and fans need to be patient with a young team that is clearly rebuillding

a57se
a57se

I'm not sold on Lal or Kotwica at this point in time........I haven't seen much improvement from the WR's over Lal's tenure and while the ST's haven't been burned, they've only made a couple plays all year.

a57se
a57se

We all know Mehta is a turd......

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@a57se : Yes, Ryan should go, period.  It isn't just this year, like the madness during the preseason.  


No one should ignore the train wreck Ryan has provided for the past 3 years, with a team in decline over his tenure. 


Rex Ryan cannot manage to create a healthy system which develops talent or creates a balanced, disciplined, quality TEAM.  


He will never make a healthy Offense in an era designed to favor the Pass and Score.  Wasting more money on an overpaid Defensive Coordinator posing as a Head Coach, who has repeatedly produced a dysfunctional circus is a massive mistake.  


Instead of the failure, let's try to inspire the JETS to finally become a class, serious, organization dedicated to excellence.  Time for Ryan to go.

bharper42
bharper42

@a57se


I like the model.  They're assessing him based on how he develops players.  He hasn't developed anyone on offense, qbs have regressed, the receiving corps is amateur, and his vaunted defense is average.


Every professional is evaluated.  It's 5 years now and about time rex is evaluated.  it doesn't mean he'll get fired just that he'll have to answer for his performance.

bharper42
bharper42

@nycpeinger @steel_nyc


I think the "he never had a qb" argument is wrong and obfuscating.  Ryan is the coach and is responsible for creating the environment or program to progress the qb.  Instead we have regression for any qb that plays. 


Early on Geno yes, but I don't have the confidence in ryan to trust that they'll make the necessary changes, adjustments, or put a program in place that values the qb above his "vaunted" defense.


He's progressed his DL quite well.  5 legitimate players there imo.  But how many years will he go to battle with this amateur WR corps?  Will the qb ever get any better?  Will he ever draft an offensive stalwart?  If he does draft an offensive stalwart will he progress him?


He's a defensive coordinator only.  Sooner or later the love he and his players share will not be enough to keep them mediocre. 


I would simply clean house.  Not fair to idzik and the jets to keep him simply for some infatuation.


this is all on ryan now, no more scapegoats.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

firing a guy who has had only 1 losing season is a massive mistake. What if some how thy manage to make the playoffs this year while rebuilding? Fire Rex?

Stop judging the guy on your personal thoughts and judge him based on the rest of the NFL like your supposed too.

marcus81
marcus81

Cowher developed for years some of the best pro bowlers in the league while at Pitt, and he was always competitive almost no blow loses and consistently made the play offs, should have won a SB earlier if Jerra had not paid off  O'donnell to throw the SB or Kordell Stewart turned into a pumpkin in the AFC Championship game against the Broncos.

DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

I'm pretty sure Holmes and Hill and prolly Winslow and Cumberland would have a job some were. Plus we took salas off a teams PS so I'm pretty sure a team wants him too.

Nelson might have played himself into job also since he proved he's healthy.

a57se
a57se

I think the results are the same and from them it is pretty difficult to see any improvement. 

An ineffectual offense sabotaging an above average defense resulting in a disappointing finish to the season when you thought they might make something happen. Two straight years of this makes it difficult to see that there have been strides made by many young players......

Iain Bartholomew
Iain Bartholomew

@a57se I completely disagree. Do you not remember the multiple turnovers from Special Teams the last two seasons? Field goal kicking is up, kickoffs are up, punting is at worst a wash. Kotwica is doing an exemplary job and is getting better results than Westhoff had managed for a good few years.

SackDance99
SackDance99

I think Lal and Kotwicka have been greatly affected by the injuries and revolving door on personnel.  Lal's helped a lot with Kerley.  As for special teams, Folk has been outstanding, Quigley has been erratic and the coverage (and Folk has been very good at racking up touchbacks) has been average.  However, I think they're better than last year, so I'd give Ben a 2nd year.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se You haven't seen improvement in A Wr, Stephen Hill. 


I would say most of the other receivers, when healthy, have improved under Lal. 

a57se
a57se

Sheldon Richardson, Damon Harrison, Mo Wilkerson, Quinton Coples, Kenrick Ellis and Demario Davis are all examples of young players who have flourished to some degree or another under Rex' tutelage on defense.

Kerley, Hill and Howard have all made strides on offense as well as Vlad though not like we as fans wanted.

I think you are not being totally fair to Rex.


DrJonathanReefer
DrJonathanReefer

And Rex Ryan would have won 2 Super Bowls if I make up some reason he didn't too.

You jet fans are so short sided and have no idea how to win. The giants made the playoffs twice under Coughlin but won the Super Bowl 2 times because they understood that consistency wins. The jets had and old veteran team in 09 and 10. They started to get old in 11. It happens every year on the NFL unless u have an elite QB. Which there is only 4 in the entire NFL. Look at how many coaches have been hired since Rex took over and match up ther records.

Stop judging the team based on expectation you have in your head no team is gonna live up to them. And it's not a fair basis.

The team got old, then we had to replace those old players with young players. We went from one of the oldest team to one of youngest in 2 years and still played games that counted in December each year.

You let coaches develop and build not fired and start all over.

marcus81
marcus81

all those WR are not starting WR's for a decent team, they would be 3-5 after real starters, they only catch the ball if they are completely wide open if they don't drop the ball.

a57se
a57se

With the limitations at QB the last couple years and the number of injuries, it is fair to say that Lal probably gets a pass...

Kotwica does not seem to be as aggressive as Westhoff and, to me, that is a plus. perhaps it is just a dearth of back-end talent on the Jets but we seem to take an awful long time to arrive on kick-offs and Punts after the gunners.

a57se
a57se

Really? Lovie Smith coached the Bears for a long timea dn last season they had the no.3 defense in the NFL but the offense lefts a lot to be desired. 

They fired him and Hired an offensive minded Marc Trestman. 

Now their offense is much better but their defense is at the bottom of the league.

Moral of the story, be careful what you wish for.

We finally have a good Offensive Coordinator, let's get him some players and see what he can do with rex and his d.

bharper42
bharper42

@a57se


Hill is bad, howard is average but did make strides, kerley is a 3 but did make strides, vlad is bad.


Coples isn't good, can be but is oft times running around doing nothing.


The rest are all defensive players.  Defense isn't an issue.  The other side of the ball that rex ignores is.  A HC can't ignore one side of the ball adn favor the other.  


IMO.