Update from Camp: Decker sidelined, Mangold back, Milliner in boot

The banged-up Jets took the practice field on Monday with many notables sidelined or injured.

Eric Decker is on the sidelines with trainers, nursing his sore quad. He was able to take part in positional drills, but sat out the team exercises. Chris Johnson is sitting out from team drills, too.

Dee Milliner, who suffered a high-ankle sprain, is walking around with trainers in a boot. He was driven out to the practice field on a cart.

Dimitri Patterson (calf/ankle) is working with trainers, too, but is wearing pads.

Nick Mangold is back after his wife gave birth to their daughter.




161 comments
HarthorneWingoStarr
HarthorneWingoStarr

i'm just sick over the McDougle injury. I think he had a real shot of starting and playing well this year, which would have been agony for all the clowns screaming that the Jets ignored the corner back position. As many have aptly pointed out, if the Jets had taken Dennard in the first round (i.e. "addressed" their corner back deficiency) it could have just as easy been him that went down with a season ending injury yesterday and we would be in the same position today either way. The bottom line is the Jets believed they addressed the corner back issue when they selected McDougle and the very early indications were that they might have been right. Injuries happen. And no, McDougle was not injury prone prospect. He suffered a bad shoulder injury his junior year that put him out for the year. Sorry, one injury does not constitute an injury history!


As for McDougle, it's just a feeling from being a very old Jet fan but he reminds me of Bobby Jackson. Jackson was afterthought, if I remember correctly drafted in the 6th round. He started as a rookie and never looked back. McDougle seems to have at least as much physical talent and intangibles.

bradysucks
bradysucks

If Rex can piece to together a decent secondary after all these injuries he's a genius

Antonio Allen turned out to be a steal in round 7. This seems like the makings of a breakout year for Allen who has earned it through hard work

bobbyj
bobbyj

See I waited for camp, this is the morinoic nonscene that goes on in this site. I got banged around for how long for stating that IT WAS FLAT OUT RETARDED TO TURN REVIS AWAY....Rember Brendan when I told you that Milner is injury prone....Mike Westoff got on BEFORE THE DRAFT , and basically stated that Idzik. & Rex were not on the same page/universe on CB's & there value. Westy stated that Rex revolves his entire D around cover 1 CB's. Patterson sucks, why he's been on 3 teams in 4 yrs & he can't stay healthy either. Wonder how long Idzik will force Rex to start Geno in front of Vick, that will never work either

williamg1
williamg1

@HarthorneWingoStarr I'm sick about McDougle, too. But, with $40M+ in cap space, and 12 draft picks (and a very obvious need at CB), we essentially took care of the position by signing a journeyman coming off season-ending injury, and a 3rd rd pick. 

Looking at the resources at our disposal, and quite a pool of FA CBs, that makes me even "sicker."

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

It's unfortunate, but not the end of the world.

I do hope he can come back next year and prove himself.

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks "All these injuries" = he lost the guy who was likely 4th or 5th string and on the bubble to even be active on gameday and everyone else could be back in the lineup by week one.


That said, I was impressed by McDougle's first game so maybe I was underestimating him but if he was going to contribute more then he'd only be beating out someone who was a more than capable player for that role and now that person is just back in that slot.


He's had a much more challenging time with injuries in the secondary in the past:


2009 - Leonhard and then a bunch of guys in the playoffs

2010 - Revis and then Leonhard again

2012 - Revis

2013 - Cromartie (although he stayed in the lineup)


I think you're overselling how much genius is required here.  They just need Patterson and Milliner back healthy and then they're in exactly the same position they would have been if Dex wasn't ready, which most of us expected anyway.

jsadolph
jsadolph

@bradysucks 

After all the off season talk about the Safeties being a weekness on this team, it now seams as if it is now a strength. 

Sometimes I get the feeling that Rex may know more about this team than the Crimini's of the world.

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks And don'y look now, but Pryor got a would-be sack in practice. 

HarthorneWingoStarr
HarthorneWingoStarr

@williamg1 @HarthorneWingoStarr The only free agent corner back I am sorry we did not pursue is Mevis and in all probability Woody put the kibosh on that possibility. Sorry but I have more faith in Rex's opinion on defenses and, in this specific case, corner backs than anyone else's thoughts on this blog. The Jets' lack of interest in what we thought were top corner backs tells me Rex did not think any of them were worth the going rates, especially at the expense of our defensive lineman in a year or two. As for Rogers-Cromartie I hoped we could get him on a short reasonable deal. However, I would not have been happy if the Jets matched the Giants offer. RC has incredible talent but has been prone to loafing for weeks at a time. How do you think he'll behave now with a huge contract? No thanks.


The draft was stacked with corner backs and the Jets used a 3rd round pick on someone they felt would contribute. Injuries happen. As for Patterson I don't know how he'll perform once the season starts but there are reasons for guarded optimism. And sorry to give you the news but you don't know how Patterson will perform either. Again, I defer to Rex's preference on the corners we did and did not sign.

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 Now imagine how you'd feel if you had Vontae Davis pooping his pants for $10 mil/year and didn't have enough cash to keep the DL intact. I'd be comatose if that happened. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Disgruntled Jets Fan Hopefully he just lives at the facility, learning the defense like the back of his hand, rehabbing and speeding his recovery up as much as possible without endangering his future healthy. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

Rex doesn't have much to work with. The Jets invested a high pick in McDougal and a top 10 pick in Dee. I've always given Rex credit with defense and I still think these injuries are a lot to overcome...especially with Cro gone.

I guess if anybody can turn this defensive soup into a 4 star meal it is Rex

bradysucks
bradysucks

If Allen can run step for step with Stephen Hill then I am impressed

Pryor is good - not worried about him

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Sigh. The team signed Decker to a great deal. And he's more than a #2. Can't wait for people to eat crow on that. 

williamg1
williamg1

@Brendan @williamg1 Before FA, would you have been fine with spending top money for a CB? 


Because I think each and every person on here was fine with that (Verner comes to mind). If I had told you after last season that the Jets would address CB by signing Patterson (who no one was even thinking of), and relying on a 3rd rd draft pick, I think everyone would have lost their mind. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks He doesn't have much to work with?  He's got Lankster and Wilson, who he leaned on in 2012.  Walls, who he leaned on last year.


I wouldn't write Patterson off yet either.  He should come round.  Played really well last year when healthy.


Just hold the fort until Dee is back, hopefully for week one.

Brendan
Brendan

@bradysucks But Cro wasn't Good Cro last year. He was Injured Cro/Beat Like A Drum Cro. To replace that wouldn't be hard at all. To improve on that level wouldn't necessarily be that hard, either. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@bradysucks Ironically I am more worried about the safeties than the corners.  Pryor will have his teething troubles and Allen is far from the finished article.  I expect them to force more turnovers but there will be struggles along the way too.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I'm just asking if you've got anything worthwhile to add. Rex has proven to do more with less in the past. These aren't uncharted waters. 

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@williamg1 @Brendan 

"If I had told you after last season that the Jets would address CB by signing Patterson (who no one was even thinking of), and relying on a 3rd rd draft pick, I think everyone would have lost their mind. "


That perspective is also something to consider when reacting to losing the 3rd round CB to injury. 

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 Which CB? Any top CB? No. I had favorites, as you know, and guys I wouldn't touch. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

How do you think Lankster & Wilson hold up against Sammy Watkins and other top receivers around the NFL? You need a #1 CB and losing Millner is gonna hurt. McDougal could find the ball - can Kyle Wilson?

I have my doubts and think Rex has a tough job

bradysucks
bradysucks

I think getting rid of Cro was a mistake and that he plays great this year. Cro played injured last year....and it showed. I became a fan of his during his stay with the Jets and think he has some gas left in the tank. CB's can have very long careers

juunit
juunit

@Bent @bradysucks 

That's interesting. I'm really not worried about the safeties. Landry can handle himself, and worse case scenario has us bringing back Reed. That's a pretty liveable tandem. 

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

And when we have coverage breakdowns, there's usually a safety involved.

#REEEEEEED?

williamg1
williamg1

@a57se @Brendan In fairness, there weren't many options available in FA at WR. Decker was the only one that made sense.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se They signed him almost immediately after FA started, what are you talking about? He was the first, and only, visit. I know this might be hard for you to accept, but Decker wanted to come play here

williamg1
williamg1

@DarrolRayFanClub No doubt. So, in reality, we addressed CB (arguably the most pressing need) with Patterson. 


Considering the resources available, that's really a shame -- especially when Rex puts a premium on corners. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se That is correct, I would have been thrilled if they signed him, but apparently they didn't think he was a scheme fit. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@juunit @Bent @bradysucks Jets fans have a weird ability to blame everything on the safeties when its unwarranted and to suggest that the safeties are doing well when they are part of the problem, so I don't doubt this will be the source of much debate over the course of the season.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Brendan


Well, you look at someone like DeVito or Pouha and can say Rex was lucky to have these two great players but when he got here they were nobodies.  So maybe some of these nobodies will look great eventually.  We'll wonder if they were better than we thought or if Rex is just great at developing guys.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Speak in specifics, please. When did Rex "not do as much as he could" with the talent supplied to him on defense? 

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 I've thought about this a lot, but doesn't it look like Rex has kind of flipped that focus? He's now an inside-out defense instead of an outside-in defense like he had with Revis. 

bradysucks
bradysucks

Watkins is a top talent and he's in our division so I used him as an example

The NFL is filled with top WR talent like AJ Green, Fitz & Megatron - then you have guys like Brandon Marshall and Dez Bryant

Sorry but I don't see Kyle Wilson and Lankster matching up well with the top receivers in the NFL

Rex has a tough job ahead of him

juunit
juunit

@Bent @juunit @bradysucks 

I'm sure. Although Rex has already said that we're deep at safety. So maybe in a parallel universe people will see that as reality. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se No one else "bid" on him because the Jets didn't let him out of their sight once he came in for a visit. 


The Broncos knew his asking price would price them out quickly, and they had much bigger needs than keeping three PB-level WR's on the roster. 

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@Brendan And with Belichick bringing in Revis and Browner, after succeeding without corners, I wonder if he's a step ahead of Rex or two steps behind.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@bradysucks but everyone would have said the same thing about Sherman, Browner and Thurmond for Seatle 2 years ago.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @juunit


I often do, but my word isn't gospel.


The fan response to Pryor's performances this year could end up being almost as entertaining and interesting as the performances themselves.


He could play well but people will decry his lack of impact plays like Rhodes.  Or he could be pretty inconsistent and error-prone like LaRon Landry but everyone will lap it up because he's being an "enforcer".

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Brendan Rex didn't spot DeVito, he was already on the team, unless you mean he spotted that he deserved a bigger role.


DeVito is a great player now...but was he always going to become one or did Rex have a hand in that?


(Rhetorical font).

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Brendan Bad example.  A great defensive gameplan (by Sutton, not Rex) only fell apart when Denver went to a spread against a gassed Jets team playing at altitude for the 2nd time in five days.


And even then it took a pick six and an individual error on defense to cost them it.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Wait, so you blame that game on Rex and the defense? That's....special. 

jsadolph
jsadolph

@DarrolRayFanClub @Brendan 

He is realizing that his Offense isn't going to cover for the piss poor defense that he has be fielding for the last 10 years.

bradysucks
bradysucks

Sherman and Browner are both over 6 foot 3 with long arms and both are physical

I get what you're saying but somehow I don't see Kyle Wilson playing like Sherman & Browner...

I do hope that Wilson & Lankster overachieve - They are going to have to

Allen is a player on the Jets who I am high on

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Prove it. 


I said I would take Tate on a salary much, much lower than the one he signed for. I don't know who you're confusing me with, but I was not on the Golden Tate hype train. Sorry. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @juunit A happy medium between the two would be nice...


A Rhodes that makes impact plays or a Landry without the mistakes.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Brendan Sutton did do the game plan.  Pettine called plays, but Sutton installed it during the week specifically to counter Tebow's running (a 46-style 3-4 base, which they'd shied away from all year in lieu of the hybrid elements).


On the last drive the Jets went nickel/dime to counter the spread, which is what you would usually do.  And Smith blew his assignment and admitted as much, so was that playcall even wrong?


Leonhard makes the tackle on Decker at the goalline at the start of the drive and we wouldn't even be having this conversation.  Another individual error.  You know I always point out when playcalling is blamed but execution was the real issue.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Brendan So how does Pettine's mistake mean that Rex can't do well without a strong roster?

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Mark Sanchez and his pitiful performance lost that game. The defense didn't give up that horrrrrrrendous pick-6, last I checked. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @a57se Brendan wanted James Jones but I don't recall him talking up Tate.


I'll admit I talked Tate up quite a bit (although I didn't really want the Jets to sign him).

bradysucks
bradysucks

The McDougal pick on draft day was baffling especially with Moncrief there for the taking

I do wish Dex luck though - tough break for him getting injured again

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Yeah, I really liked the idea of Jones being a 2/3 hybrid. A guy who could bounce inside or outside, knew how to block, could help the young guys. Big fan of Jones. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Brendan


OK quoting you directly:


"sometimes he didn't do as much as he could with said talent."


If the reason for this is Pettine's bad playcalling then how is that Rex's fault?


That's why I didn't think it was a good example.  I'm sure you can illustrate Rex's failings (which I am not disputing there have been) better than with this game.


I also don't think that's much different from the question I previously asked you.  You could easily have clarified your stance when responding to the question.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se What a child. Please explain how you've been misquoted. 


Brendan11 minutes ago

@a57se Speak in specifics, please. When did Rex "not do as much as he could" with the talent supplied to him on defense? 

a57se11 minutes ago

@Brendan @a57se 

Oh, let's see...how about the Denver game where Tebow beat us in the final minute?

Let's start there

a57se9 minutes ago

@Brendan @a57se 

special?

the defensive playcalling on that final drive was pitiful.

there is no way the Jets should have lost that game.

a57se8 minutes ago

@Bent @a57se @Brendan 

Nope, that is not true.

Sutton did not do the game plan, Pettine did. and Pettine called the defense on that final drive and he kept  ignoring the fact that Tebow could run...


Rex is somehow did "not do as much as he could" losing a game on the final drive in a game where you say he didn't make the gameplan or call the plays on the drive that you say lost the game (which, again, ignores how deplorably Sanchez played that day). 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se "the defensive playcalling on that final drive was pitiful"


"and Pettine called the defense on that final drive"


Those are two things you just said. 


Bent's not making anything up. You're using this game as an example of Rex not being able to do "more with less" for some reason. Don't get mad at him because you picked a terrible example to prove your terrible point.