Update from Camp: Decker sidelined, Mangold back, Milliner in boot

The banged-up Jets took the practice field on Monday with many notables sidelined or injured.

Eric Decker is on the sidelines with trainers, nursing his sore quad. He was able to take part in positional drills, but sat out the team exercises. Chris Johnson is sitting out from team drills, too.

Dee Milliner, who suffered a high-ankle sprain, is walking around with trainers in a boot. He was driven out to the practice field on a cart.

Dimitri Patterson (calf/ankle) is working with trainers, too, but is wearing pads.

Nick Mangold is back after his wife gave birth to their daughter.




198 comments
HarthorneWingoStarr
HarthorneWingoStarr

i'm just sick over the McDougle injury. I think he had a real shot of starting and playing well this year, which would have been agony for all the clowns screaming that the Jets ignored the corner back position. As many have aptly pointed out, if the Jets had taken Dennard in the first round (i.e. "addressed" their corner back deficiency) it could have just as easy been him that went down with a season ending injury yesterday and we would be in the same position today either way. The bottom line is the Jets believed they addressed the corner back issue when they selected McDougle and the very early indications were that they might have been right. Injuries happen. And no, McDougle was not injury prone prospect. He suffered a bad shoulder injury his junior year that put him out for the year. Sorry, one injury does not constitute an injury history!


As for McDougle, it's just a feeling from being a very old Jet fan but he reminds me of Bobby Jackson. Jackson was afterthought, if I remember correctly drafted in the 6th round. He started as a rookie and never looked back. McDougle seems to have at least as much physical talent and intangibles.

bobbyj
bobbyj

See I waited for camp, this is the morinoic nonscene that goes on in this site. I got banged around for how long for stating that IT WAS FLAT OUT RETARDED TO TURN REVIS AWAY....Rember Brendan when I told you that Milner is injury prone....Mike Westoff got on BEFORE THE DRAFT , and basically stated that Idzik. & Rex were not on the same page/universe on CB's & there value. Westy stated that Rex revolves his entire D around cover 1 CB's. Patterson sucks, why he's been on 3 teams in 4 yrs & he can't stay healthy either. Wonder how long Idzik will force Rex to start Geno in front of Vick, that will never work either

a57se
a57se

@Brendan 

Like any defense, it is only as good as the players...

williamg1
williamg1

@HarthorneWingoStarr I'm sick about McDougle, too. But, with $40M+ in cap space, and 12 draft picks (and a very obvious need at CB), we essentially took care of the position by signing a journeyman coming off season-ending injury, and a 3rd rd pick. 

Looking at the resources at our disposal, and quite a pool of FA CBs, that makes me even "sicker."

Disgruntled Jets Fan
Disgruntled Jets Fan

It's unfortunate, but not the end of the world.

I do hope he can come back next year and prove himself.

HarthorneWingoStarr
HarthorneWingoStarr

@williamg1 @HarthorneWingoStarr The only free agent corner back I am sorry we did not pursue is Mevis and in all probability Woody put the kibosh on that possibility. Sorry but I have more faith in Rex's opinion on defenses and, in this specific case, corner backs than anyone else's thoughts on this blog. The Jets' lack of interest in what we thought were top corner backs tells me Rex did not think any of them were worth the going rates, especially at the expense of our defensive lineman in a year or two. As for Rogers-Cromartie I hoped we could get him on a short reasonable deal. However, I would not have been happy if the Jets matched the Giants offer. RC has incredible talent but has been prone to loafing for weeks at a time. How do you think he'll behave now with a huge contract? No thanks.


The draft was stacked with corner backs and the Jets used a 3rd round pick on someone they felt would contribute. Injuries happen. As for Patterson I don't know how he'll perform once the season starts but there are reasons for guarded optimism. And sorry to give you the news but you don't know how Patterson will perform either. Again, I defer to Rex's preference on the corners we did and did not sign.

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 Now imagine how you'd feel if you had Vontae Davis pooping his pants for $10 mil/year and didn't have enough cash to keep the DL intact. I'd be comatose if that happened. 

Brendan
Brendan

@Disgruntled Jets Fan Hopefully he just lives at the facility, learning the defense like the back of his hand, rehabbing and speeding his recovery up as much as possible without endangering his future healthy. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Sigh. The team signed Decker to a great deal. And he's more than a #2. Can't wait for people to eat crow on that. 

williamg1
williamg1

@Brendan @williamg1 Before FA, would you have been fine with spending top money for a CB? 


Because I think each and every person on here was fine with that (Verner comes to mind). If I had told you after last season that the Jets would address CB by signing Patterson (who no one was even thinking of), and relying on a 3rd rd draft pick, I think everyone would have lost their mind. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se I'm just asking if you've got anything worthwhile to add. Rex has proven to do more with less in the past. These aren't uncharted waters. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

They were the only bidders for him three weeks into free agency!

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@williamg1 @Brendan 

"If I had told you after last season that the Jets would address CB by signing Patterson (who no one was even thinking of), and relying on a 3rd rd draft pick, I think everyone would have lost their mind. "


That perspective is also something to consider when reacting to losing the 3rd round CB to injury. 

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 Which CB? Any top CB? No. I had favorites, as you know, and guys I wouldn't touch. 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Rex has done what he could with the talent he had... sometimes he didn't do as much as he could with said talent.


williamg1
williamg1

@a57se @Brendan In fairness, there weren't many options available in FA at WR. Decker was the only one that made sense.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se They signed him almost immediately after FA started, what are you talking about? He was the first, and only, visit. I know this might be hard for you to accept, but Decker wanted to come play here

williamg1
williamg1

@DarrolRayFanClub No doubt. So, in reality, we addressed CB (arguably the most pressing need) with Patterson. 


Considering the resources available, that's really a shame -- especially when Rex puts a premium on corners. 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se That is correct, I would have been thrilled if they signed him, but apparently they didn't think he was a scheme fit. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Brendan


Well, you look at someone like DeVito or Pouha and can say Rex was lucky to have these two great players but when he got here they were nobodies.  So maybe some of these nobodies will look great eventually.  We'll wonder if they were better than we thought or if Rex is just great at developing guys.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Speak in specifics, please. When did Rex "not do as much as he could" with the talent supplied to him on defense? 

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

You are right, the Jets signed him on the 12th....no one else bid for him and we got him.

Brendan
Brendan

@williamg1 I've thought about this a lot, but doesn't it look like Rex has kind of flipped that focus? He's now an inside-out defense instead of an outside-in defense like he had with Revis. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se @Brendan 

DeVito graded out pretty well in KC, didn't he?

Rex is good at spotting D'line talent, that's for sure.


Edit: and coaching that talent.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

Oh, let's see...how about the Denver game where Tebow beat us in the final minute?

Let's start there.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se No one else "bid" on him because the Jets didn't let him out of their sight once he came in for a visit. 


The Broncos knew his asking price would price them out quickly, and they had much bigger needs than keeping three PB-level WR's on the roster. 

DarrolRayFanClub
DarrolRayFanClub

@Brendan And with Belichick bringing in Revis and Browner, after succeeding without corners, I wonder if he's a step ahead of Rex or two steps behind.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Brendan Rex didn't spot DeVito, he was already on the team, unless you mean he spotted that he deserved a bigger role.


DeVito is a great player now...but was he always going to become one or did Rex have a hand in that?


(Rhetorical font).

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Brendan Bad example.  A great defensive gameplan (by Sutton, not Rex) only fell apart when Denver went to a spread against a gassed Jets team playing at altitude for the 2nd time in five days.


And even then it took a pick six and an individual error on defense to cost them it.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Wait, so you blame that game on Rex and the defense? That's....special. 

jsadolph
jsadolph

@DarrolRayFanClub @Brendan 

He is realizing that his Offense isn't going to cover for the piss poor defense that he has be fielding for the last 10 years.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se @Brendan 

Nope, that is not true.

Sutton did not do the game plan, Pettine did. and Pettine called the defense on that final drive and he kept  ignoring the fact that Tebow could run...

a57se
a57se

@Brendan @a57se 

special?

the defensive playcalling on that final drive was pitiful.

there is no way the Jets should have lost that game.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Prove it. 


I said I would take Tate on a salary much, much lower than the one he signed for. I don't know who you're confusing me with, but I was not on the Golden Tate hype train. Sorry. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Brendan Sutton did do the game plan.  Pettine called plays, but Sutton installed it during the week specifically to counter Tebow's running (a 46-style 3-4 base, which they'd shied away from all year in lieu of the hybrid elements).


On the last drive the Jets went nickel/dime to counter the spread, which is what you would usually do.  And Smith blew his assignment and admitted as much, so was that playcall even wrong?


Leonhard makes the tackle on Decker at the goalline at the start of the drive and we wouldn't even be having this conversation.  Another individual error.  You know I always point out when playcalling is blamed but execution was the real issue.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Brendan So how does Pettine's mistake mean that Rex can't do well without a strong roster?

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se Mark Sanchez and his pitiful performance lost that game. The defense didn't give up that horrrrrrrendous pick-6, last I checked. 

Bent
Bent moderator

@Brendan @a57se Brendan wanted James Jones but I don't recall him talking up Tate.


I'll admit I talked Tate up quite a bit (although I didn't really want the Jets to sign him).

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se @Brendan 

I have to go to lunch so we'll have to continue this later...

please reread my comments above and stop misquoting me or I will just ignore the rest of this conversation.

a57se
a57se

@Bent @a57se @Brendan 

Way to phrase the question with statements that i didn't make...

you wanna try asking a fair question or are you going brendan on me?

Brendan
Brendan

@Bent Yeah, I really liked the idea of Jones being a 2/3 hybrid. A guy who could bounce inside or outside, knew how to block, could help the young guys. Big fan of Jones. 

a57se
a57se

@Bent 

That's who it was...Bent to the rescue.

Bent
Bent moderator

@a57se @Bent @Brendan


OK quoting you directly:


"sometimes he didn't do as much as he could with said talent."


If the reason for this is Pettine's bad playcalling then how is that Rex's fault?


That's why I didn't think it was a good example.  I'm sure you can illustrate Rex's failings (which I am not disputing there have been) better than with this game.


I also don't think that's much different from the question I previously asked you.  You could easily have clarified your stance when responding to the question.

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se What a child. Please explain how you've been misquoted. 


Brendan11 minutes ago

@a57se Speak in specifics, please. When did Rex "not do as much as he could" with the talent supplied to him on defense? 

a57se11 minutes ago

@Brendan @a57se 

Oh, let's see...how about the Denver game where Tebow beat us in the final minute?

Let's start there

a57se9 minutes ago

@Brendan @a57se 

special?

the defensive playcalling on that final drive was pitiful.

there is no way the Jets should have lost that game.

a57se8 minutes ago

@Bent @a57se @Brendan 

Nope, that is not true.

Sutton did not do the game plan, Pettine did. and Pettine called the defense on that final drive and he kept  ignoring the fact that Tebow could run...


Rex is somehow did "not do as much as he could" losing a game on the final drive in a game where you say he didn't make the gameplan or call the plays on the drive that you say lost the game (which, again, ignores how deplorably Sanchez played that day). 

Brendan
Brendan

@a57se "the defensive playcalling on that final drive was pitiful"


"and Pettine called the defense on that final drive"


Those are two things you just said. 


Bent's not making anything up. You're using this game as an example of Rex not being able to do "more with less" for some reason. Don't get mad at him because you picked a terrible example to prove your terrible point.