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What happened at Training Camp today?

SNY’s Andrew Johnston and Leonard Orman are at Jets Training Camp, and here’s their dispatch of what they saw and heard from Day Two of camp…

Johnston:

  • Team morale is the best I’ve seen in my five years with the team. We’ll see how that plays out once the pads are on.
  • Quarterbacks: Looking good. Geno is clearly ahead of Vick. Interesting to watch the competition between Boyd and Simms. Boyd has been turnover happy. Simms likely winning the third spot.
  • Running Backs: They have been working hard on pass protection. Ivory is lightyears ahead of CJ2K in that department. Both have had sure hands catching the ball out of the backfield.
  • Tight Ends: Amaro dropped balls today. Rex said he needed to clean it up. Overall I’ve been impressed by their performance. Rex also commended the group today by saying the three (Cumberland, Amaro, and Sudfeld) are all “Very Good”.
  • DB’s: Guys are working on their jam off the line if scrimmage. Patterson and McDougle have embraced the contact. Milliner rather run with receivers.

Orman:

  • The running backs are all explosive. “Are you guys trying to run the coach over? get your shots while you still can!” Running Backs Coach Anthony Lynn yelled.
  • Chris Johnson lined up at wide receiver and burned a cornerback for 40-yard TD catch.
  • Bilal Powell looks great. Absolutely juked Steele Divitto out of his shoes.
  • Receivers practice stop-and-go routes, and Geno Smith threw a few beautiful balls to Eric Decker and Stephen Hill. Jeremy Kerley continued to stand out
  • “Good ball, Geno!” was said a lot, both by coaches and fans.
  • The Jets practiced the Wildcat.
  • The Jets ran a few double-tight end sets, with Jace Amaro and Cumberland both lining up at TE.
  • Amaro is an enormous target, but he won’t burn anyone.
  • Eric Decker does his drills, comes off the field and keeps practicing routes. He just doesn’t take a break.
  • Jacoby Ford looks like a good deep threat. Very, very fast. He’s been getting most of the work at kick returner.
  • Saalim Hakim is the fastest guy on the field. Definite candidate for kickoff return job, and will compete with Ford.
  • Jalen Saunders did not return kicks — just punts. Very small, but “shifty.” He’s going to be hard to cover.
  • Greg Salas was making some nice plays on special teams.
  • Antwan Barnes sprinted on sidelines, but did not participate in practice.
  • Everyone — players, coaches and PR staff — do pushups after every penalty. They did six or seven sets of pushups on Friday.
  • They ran a trick play on a field goal attempt. It was a pass to D’Brickashaw Ferguson, but he dropped it. A fan yelled, “Run that for Sheldon Richardson! He’ll catch it!”



107 comments
bradysucks
bradysucks

Enunwe is hurt....



I'm interested in the WR competition.....


Decker 

Nelson

Kerley

Saunders 

Hill

Evans


These seem to be our WR's this year unless I am missing something.......All I can say is Decker better not get injured......

Jalen Saunders is going to provide some excitement I think.....

marcus81
marcus81

Geno ahead of Vick? Amaro should come around, had the best hands and set records

williamg1
williamg1

The Jets Twitter Feed is full of insufferable pieces of crap. 

Tequila Joe
Tequila Joe

TE's need time to make adjustments in the NFL. So, I think Amaro has time to make those adjustments and turn into a good TE in the future. I will say that his catching ability was a concern for me prior to the draft and training camp. I commented after the draft that I never saw him catch a ball with a ton of zip on it. Vick and Geno's arms  are top notch and I hope he can adjust to an NFL type arm asap. 

Alasdair Barratt
Alasdair Barratt

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter  25 s

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Buccaneers and former Pro-Bowl G Carl Nicks have mutually agreed that they will part ways, ending his tenure with the team.


I posted this in another (older) thread, but what do you guy think? Any interest on our part? Worth an Idzik tire-kick I'd say

WW85
WW85

How is Steephen Hill looking? Decker, Kerley, Nelson...Hill, Ford, Saunders....Hakim? Evans? Enunwa? Lots of tough cuts


Jeff E. Guy
Jeff E. Guy

Will the Jets use a lot of 12 personnel this year? 

mv01
mv01

Time for the Jets to quit BS'ing and open this QB competition up.  Let the best man EARN the job

machoking
machoking

Eric Decker working hard and setting a good example for the younger WRs.... oh just like Holmes.

nyj_scott
nyj_scott

I love these recaps. There has been such a lack of content on here since the draft... repeating rumors, bantering posters, bad jokes (some i like haha)

It's great to have real jets news again. GO JETS!!!

juunit
juunit

Well, our training camp has definitely started better than some other teams...


The Jaguars had a water main break, meaning no running water or A/C in the facility. The Vikings had a fire alarm go off around 2AM last night. And I'm sure there's more.

MS
MS

@machoking My wife was making me watch his reality show before he got traded (I didnt complain much because of his wife). But the guy seems like a good dude. 


All this positive news on his leadership and work ethic pleases me. About time we had a real leader in that group. 

jsadolph
jsadolph

@Brendan 

I can't wait to see Idzik just lose his sht and blow up on these morons one time.

COME ON......ONE TIME........

BDarc23
BDarc23

@Brendan Maybe reporters are actually using some common sense here

tsjc68
tsjc68

I dunno, Rich, I'm not sure.  I heard the cap was in pretty bad shape, after all those rookies we signed.  Are you sure we can fit him under the cap, Rich?


ARE YOU SURE, RICH?  YOU'D BETTER GO DOUBLECHECK THOSE NUMBERS AGAIN, BUDDY.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@nyj_scott What? You don't live for the non football arguments on this blog?

williamg1
williamg1

@nyj_scott And then you have the scumbag reporters that cover the Jets (see tsjc68's post above yours). 

williamg1
williamg1

@juunit No way that water main breaks if Tebow was under contract with the Jags. 


And the "fire alarm" was actually the Vikings coaches beating suspected gays with locks in socks. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@juunit

The Bills sent two players to the hospital with heat exhaustion.  The Dolphins are shifting a guard who has never snapped before in a game to center.  The Browns keep trying to subtly break the news to Johnny Manziel that he's not yet better than Brian Hoyer, and I don't think he's listening.  Tom Coughlin is already telling Odell Beckham Jr. to turn down that damn jungle music and get off my lawn.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@Disgruntled Jets Fan

Agreed.  And

A.) Bent's film study failed to show a link between the insertion of a wildcat play and subsequent poor play from Sanchez in the following snaps, meaning it might not really rattle or throw off the rhythm of the QB

B.) If it actually does rattle said QB rhythm, I somehow trust Geno to not be as affected by it as Sanchez theoretically was

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 Are they? They're acting like the incumbent, younger starter getting more reps means there is absolutely no competition. 


If Geno stunk, they'd siphon reps to Vick, but since he is doing sell, they don't have to do that. 


Competition has many forms, but for some reason fans and the beat act like the only competition is a fair 2-man race where you have a clear start and clear finish. I don't get that. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@williamg1 @juunit

I can't wait to hear more dirt dished by Kluwe on how the Vikings locker room was every bit as horrible as the Dolphins locker room.


Plus, DEAD BIRDS GALORE.

juunit
juunit

@tsjc68 @juunit 

Marshawn Lynch is holding out with the Seahawks as well. He is demanding 3 kilos of Skittles per day.

jsadolph
jsadolph

@tsjc68 @juunit 

The ravens have had to ask all players to remove all cameras from their houses to prevent any more of their players from getting anymore harsh 2 game suspensions.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@Brendan @BDarc23 The competition thing is BS in my opinion.  Having a competent back up to me is not competition. The fact that Geno get 3/4 of the reps means he is not competing for his job.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@juunit @tsjc68

The Seahawks have countered with an offer of 3.5 kilos of Skittles per day (but only two bags of those 3.5 kilos are "guaranteed Skittles", the rest are deferred performance incentives.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@jsadolph @tsjc68 @juunit Since his wife fell into his fist and it was obviously an accident.... 2 games is harsh.  He did drag her out of the elevator which was nice.

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 Brian Winters was worse last year than Hunter was in 2011. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23 @Brendan

The fact that Geno get 3/4 of the reps means he is not competing for his job.


You're correct, and incorrect, at the same time.


Geno is not competing for his job, it's his and not Vick's.  However, Michael Vick is competing for Geno's job, and he can win it (if Geno plays poorly while Vick plays well).


People need to end this notion that competitions cannot be true competitions if someone enters the competition with a headstart or an advantage.  That's still a competition, and it's not "rigged" and "the fix" is not it.  It's just a competition where Person A is the leader and Person B is competing to replace him, and under certain scenarios, Person B can win.


Just not under ALL scenarios, that's all.  That's still a competition, and as such, Geno's grip on the job is not safe.  He still has to earn it (even if he enters it with a leg up).

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 Forcing Geno to play well to keep his job is competition. 

juunit
juunit

@tsjc68 @juunit 

And only the guaranteed Skittles are Sour Skittles. THIS WILL NOT STAND!

WW85
WW85

@BDarc23 I'm surprised the NFL didn't simply suspend Mrs. Rice for running into her husband's fist & causing all this embarrassment for the NFL. He should get a leadership award for handling this situation with such class and dignity.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@tsjc68 This was billed by Idzik/Woody/Rex as some new "competition" mantra.  What you are describing is the same thing that happened every year for every team in every sport.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23 @tsjc68

Nothing that Woody or Rex has said contradicts what I just described.


The problem is, people started latching onto "Our mantra is competition" and inserted their OWN definitions of what that MUST look like into it (instead of listening to what Rex/Idzik said and did) and thus are now pissed at Rex and Idzik for promising things that they never promised.

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 Yes? I don't see how that proves it's not a competition, though. 

BDarc23
BDarc23

@tsjc68 @BDarc23 I'm not pissed at all. I just think it BS so they don't divulge "secrets" like who the starting QB is week to week.

BDarc23
BDarc23

@Brendan @BDarc23 Because Vick is only playing a fraction of the time (hypothetically)...how can you compare them?

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23 @tsjc68

You think it's BS because you've decided what "competition" must mean and think it's something other than what most teams mean when they say "competition".

Brendan
Brendan

@BDarc23 Vick is a known entity, he's not going to suddenly become a much-improved QB. Geno is the young, growing player and the increased reps will show if he's truly improved or not. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23 @Brendan

You compare them by viewing what each player does in the time he's given.  Nothing more.

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23 @tsjc68

Correct.


Every team means this when they talk about competition, and now the Jets are saying it and Jets fans are getting upset that it doesn't mean something other than what it means for every other team.


Doesn't that sound like Jets fans are being pretty stupid here?

BDarc23
BDarc23

@tsjc68 @BDarc23 I am not aware of a big uproar over this.  I think it is clear that the competition mantra is about trying to motivate Geno and trying to keep the other teams guessing. Winters sucked but never lost his job, Geno sucked and never lost his job. 

tsjc68
tsjc68

@BDarc23 @tsjc68

I am not aware of a big uproar over this.  


I'm referring mainly to the media here in NYC, which keeps trying to push this notion that "the competition mantra is false because Player X isn't being given a true shot to compete for the starting job" even though "competition" never EVER meant "All jobs are fully open to all players at all times and one bad play during a game/practice should mean Player X gets a shot that week to supplant the starter, that starter is a completely fully transitional label at all times".


That's ridiculous.  You don't see beat reporters at other papers whining that Rusty Smith isn't getting as many practice reps as Jake Locker and therefore Frank Wycheck is a dirty liar.


I think it is clear that the competition mantra is about trying to motivate Geno and trying to keep the other teams guessing. 


No, the competition mantra is about one thing and one thing only, the only thing it's ever been about: We're going to keep adding good players at every position to ensure that the coaches always have alternatives to turn to if the starters suck and nobody's job is ever FULLY safe (even if some jobs remain PARTIALLY safe through normal, rational patience and player development growth-curve decisionmaking).


Winters sucked but never lost his job, Geno sucked and never lost his job. 


And, again,  THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT COMPETITION IS NOT A VALID MANTRA.  That means that young players are given the opportunity to iron out their mistakes.  They only got the chance to start in the first place by performing well in COMPETITIONS during preseasons and practices.  Once they are elevated to starter, we are not going to grabastically yank them the moment they stop performing well, we're going to be PATIENT with them while also PUSHING THEM THROUGH COMPETITION by doing things like DRAFTING YOUNG PLAYERS WITH UPSIDE AT THEIR SPOTS like Dakota Dozier and Tajh Boyd to show them both that we will be rational, levelheaded decisionmakers and give them a legit shot to keep their jobs if they continue improving but that if they don't keep getting better, there are other guys in line behind them ready to take their jobs via COMPETITION.


Winters and Geno didn't lose their job while sucking (although, Geno was benched, as was Milliner.)  But they haven't been doing their jobs poorly long enough to lose them anyway.  It's been a year.  Be patient.