Review: Week Two Jets at Steelers

Brian Bassett , TheJetsBlog.com

Some collected thoughts from last night’s loss to the Steelers:

My Own Worst Enemy — Credit to the Steelers, but the Jets were unable to get anything going outside of the first quarter offensively and the Jets tackling -especially when rushing the passer – got worse and worse as the game went along.  And then even in key situations they couldn’t do right as witnessed in the Jeremy Kerley muffed punt.

Hang On — The Jets were soundly beat, but aside from the muffed punt by Kerley, no other turnovers.  It’s a good sign that the Jets offense is getting much better at securing the ball even if they weren’t so good at getting it down the field.

Defensive Questions — What is going on with this defense?  Darrelle was out, but that can’t be the only issue.  They’ve upgraded since last season and seem to be getting worse.  While they were much better at stopping the run this week, that game-capping touchdown drive by the Steelers was very disconcerting and now in two weeks the Jets defense has let up more than 25 points twice.  Pettine and Rex better figure something out this week because the Niners and Texans aren’t far off.

Line Up — Even if the whole defense didn’t look great, the defensive looked much better this week against the run.  Wilkerson in particular had a good game, but I think that the real credit has to go to Sione Pouha for being in the game and taking more attention away from a play like Wilkerson.

Lights On, Lights Off — The Jets looked great in the first quarter, with a long scoring drive and holding the Steelers to two field goals in the early going.  After that though, the Steelers dominated the rest of the game and the Jets were unable to get the better of them.  During the broadcast, CBS mentioned that Mark Sanchez hadn’t completed a pass in over 128 minutes of real time of the game.  That was brutal.  The receivers couldn’t get off press coverage and were wholly unable to

Easy Now — LaRon Landry looked great in the first game and he had some intimidating hits during the Steelers game too.  Thanks for sending them a message but the senseless personal fouls was totally unnecessary and did the team a major disservice in some clutch situations.

Missed  You — If Keller is in during that third down play that hits Cumberland in the back because he failed to recognize the blitz, that’s a wholly different outcome.  Also Keller might have been able to provide a boost for Sanchez during that long drought.  If Revis is in the game, the coverage gets much better.  Of course the Steelers were without their own players too,  but the Jets needed their guys more to have a legitimate chance to win.




28 comments
bleedblue4
bleedblue4

It's simple you bring in the guy who knows the system, it shouldn't be a question. It's bad enough the rest of your team is going to lag behind. The last thing you need is your QB struggling with the playbook. Especially with this offensive line. A center who hasn't played in 2 years, Pugh who looked anything but stellar I can go on. And to be honest this may be one of the weakest WR cores in the NFL.. Stop making things harder and sign Flynn.


I may be the only Giants fan who thinks they should try to trade Eli with all these teams looking for QB's you may be able to move into the top 5. Without giving up a pick, Having Clowney at 3 or maybe even 1 Lewan at 12 and either Garrapalo or Mechlenberger in the second. Would put this team in an excellent spot.


JPP and Clowney, Kiwi and Moorecoming off the edges Lewan joining Schultz and Pugh. And adding a DT in the 3rd. Has this team closer to the top NFC teams.

Brian Webster
Brian Webster

Giants should definitely sign Flynn. Then they'd be fine cutting Painter and even Nassib if need be since doubt anyone would trade anything of substance for him.

thatdudezo
thatdudezo

This offseason has been very out of character for the giants. Too add to that I have a gut feeling they're kicking the tires on all these guys because nassib with be a draft day trade. I read somewhere that nassib would have been a top qb taken this year if he stayed in school. Maybe JR is flipping him for a second round pick and knows something we don't? Just something to chew on

gigantes
gigantes

It could be concern over Eli, but I can’t believe they would openly lie about the extent of his injury.

I think the most likely reason is that another team is calling them to inquire if Nassib is available. And if they trade him, then they want a good backup in his place instead of just Painter.

jwill
jwill

This is what bothers me about how the Giants sign QBs: If you already know what Painter can do, which is lose, and you know you wouldnt trust him, why even sign him?


At least you can point to Nassib as an heir apperrent or future trade bait. But what is the point of a Painter or a Carr if you know for a fact they cant win games. 


What you need in a backup QB is Jeff Hostetler or Steve Young. At the very least, Kurt Warner.

spider43
spider43

Better Matt Flynn than Freeman, Painter and Nassib. With Flynn, we don't need to carry three active QBs.

Jeff Comerford
Jeff Comerford

This is a solid move.  Right now, Josh is available, and there is no demand.  Evaluate him - and if he is worth signing - we can do it on the cheap.  


Josh (if he has his head on straight) is a better option as backup over Curtis Painter.  I am not so quick to give up on Nassib - and think its ok if at this stage he is a developmental prospect.

Brian Bannon
Brian Bannon

@thatdudezo if ANY gm is dumb enough to give up a 2nd rd. pick for Nassib (which they won't) then not only would they probably be fired on the spot, but Jerry Reese would most likely have to have the smile surgically removed from his face.

spider43
spider43

@gigantes  ....  I wish that were true, but I doubt there are any teams with legitimate interest in a QB who never suited up for the Giants last year. It would be nice if the Giants could find a trade partner for Nassib to bring someone aboard like a Flynn or Freeman, but I doubt the Giants would break even on such a trade of Nassib even if it were in the negotiating stages right now. In my mind, Nassib isn't better than any of the Top 7 QB's in this years' draft... so any team that would trade a 4th round pick or higher for him would be letting the Giants off the hook for their draft day mistake last year. If I'm an opposing GM, I wouldn't give up more than a 5th or 6th round pick at best. In fact, I really wouldn't be interested in trading for him at all.

JamesWS
JamesWS

Camp arms. Take a Xanax, bro.

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@jwill If the backup QB was a guaranteed winner, they would be starting someplace else.


Hostetler, Young, and Warner are the exceptions, not the rule.



Jeff Comerford
Jeff Comerford

@spider43  Why be so quick to give up on a 4th round choice - who could develop into a QB?  I think that unless Nassib has developed to the point where he is a competent backup, why not allow him to develop as a 3rd stringer this season?

Skookaloop
Skookaloop

@Michael Frias  

Whatz so Puzzling about,

ELI can't run for 8 weeks,

QB Painter looked Awful, in Pre-Season after ELI went down,

QB (2 pick) Nassib, practiced, NOT as a QB, but as a DB last Year.....

jwill
jwill

@JamesWS so, besides the snark, I have to ask, if it's just a camp arm, whats wrong with Painter and Nassib?


If this player their bringing is guaranteed not to play, why would they even bother paying two players who are guaranteed not to take the vet minimum? Seems to me a team would take this opportunity to develop their young QB.


Looking into Flynn and Freeman says to me that there is a significant chance that Eli misses games. Its also an acknowledgement of having 0 faith in Painter. Something the Colts had already let the NFL in on. 

Jeff Comerford
Jeff Comerford

@Michael Frias @jwill  and 2 of the three (hosteltler and young) were QB's in the era before free agency.  It is tough to hold on to people when they may get a better chance and more money playing elsewhere.

jwill
jwill

@Michael Frias @jwillDefinitely some truth to that statement. However, there is something to be said for the upside of a Flynn or a Freeman and the known ceiling of a Painter or a Carr.


Whether the story is that you have a young guy in the wings or you have a vet with experience and past success, the guy who starts when your QB goes down should be on your team.

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@Skookaloop @Michael Frias With the OTAs not set to start till late May, technically no one can run for the next 8 weeks. At least not with the team. So the Eli part isn't here nor there.


Now, if it was 6 weeks from now, and Eli still hadn't gotten any better and they needed an extra body to run the Offense in OTAs, then it would make sense.


I guess there's a plan here.  Or it's an erroneous report.

jwill
jwill

@JamesWS @jwill  

"Or it could mean that Painter and Nassib are both rotten garbage, and even Matt Flynn or Josh Freeman could be upgrades."

That's exactly my point. We all knew that about Painter before he was signed. So why was he signed in the first place? Why was Carr kept on the roster when there was no chance he could win a game?

Nassib is a young player so he's still developing. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

We've seen Flynn have a lot of success as a backup, and now he's a vet. He's the exact kind of backup you need to have on a team, a guy who, if your starting QB goes down, actually has the potential to win games. Similar thoughts on Freeman. The door isnt closed on his potential.

JamesWS
JamesWS

@jwill @JamesWS  


"Looking into Flynn and Freeman says to me that there is a significant chance that Eli misses games. Its also an acknowledgement of having 0 faith in Painter. Something the Colts had already let the NFL in on. "


Or it could mean that Painter and Nassib are both rotten garbage, and even Matt Flynn or Josh Freeman could be upgrades. This could very possibly have little to do with Eli Manning's ankle. If they truly felt Eli might miss games they would have signed a real back up QB earlier. This is just Reese scraping the bottom of the barrell b/c even that is better than our backup QB situation. He's going to pay one of these scrubs a non-guaranteed min. deal for a CHANCE to beat out Painter/Nassib.


This is crazy talk to suggest Flynn or Freeman are legitimate players and are being considered for anything more than backup competition. Flynn might actually be worse than Painter. Lol.

jwill
jwill

@Jeff Comerford That's a good point as well. I still think that is the kind of thing you aim for though.


I think we're a little off topic though. The heart of my point is that, in Painter and in Carr before that, the Giants had guys they knew for a fact couldn't win games, guys who either lack the proper tools (Painter or have an extensive history of faltering in starts (Carr). Now in this whole surgery situation, you see that coming to a head.

Michael Frias
Michael Frias

@Skookaloop @Michael Frias I could be wrong, but everything I read is that Eli will be ready for OTAs.


All that being said, Freeman is an upgrade over Painter.  If they can get him on the cheap, I have no problem with this.