Quote: A question of when, not if

“When Bill Belichick leaves and Tom Brady leaves, y’all team is going to (expletive) suck … You take it for granted. You do take it for granted. You’re like, ‘We have to win the Super Bowl, or our season sucks.'”

Charles Barkley, on Patriots fans Saturday night in Patriots locker room




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Kyle Suta
Kyle Suta

We will never be a legit contender until we find a franchise QB. That's all that needs to be said.

Tyrone Garcia
Tyrone Garcia

The pats win because they are well coached remember that belicheck comes from the school of parcels and learned how to take FA that nobody wants and blend them into some good players along with having a very good QB.  But they haven't won a SB since losing those veterans he had. Plus the rest of the AFC east hasn't really been that competitive consistently.  But they are very beatable if it wasn't for Lucks Interceptions the colts win that game along with not having a decent Running game. and there defense on the colts stink. The pats look like there are going back to there old ways less passes and more running, they will be more dangerous that way because it sets up play action for Brady who can really air it out. The Jets can compete but they have to stop laying an egg after the buy week thats what killed us this year.

levi
levi

I guess Indy showed the world how important it is to have a run defense....

levi
levi

Haha can always count on Bark for a good quote.



longshot
longshot

You might not like BB, but he is a good coach. There are times when some of his personnel moves flame out and some are just head scratchers. Giving up Welker and Woodhead at the same time, passing on Clay Matthews, hiring Fat Albert and a 2 dozen other moves. Many here believe the Pats do well because of Brady alone, but Brady's stats are not all that great lately and I think he has had accuracy issues for 2 years in a row.


I believe the Pats win for other reasons than Brady alone. Their FO, coaching staff and players are on the same page most of the time. BB is a disciplinarian. When Ridley fumbles, he is yanked and put in the doghouse. When Kenbrell Thompkins made a game winning catch, he started hot-dogging it at practice and was quickly shown the bench in the next game. Their players are generally selfless or eventually trained to be selfless. They are much more of a team than a bunch of individuals. They also give themselves the best possible chance to win by dissecting you. They are not the most surgical team but seem close to it. And finally the Pats are not afraid to re-invent themselves ... sometimes I think they are one ongoing experiment.


I don't know if they will make it to the SB, let alone win it, but if I were the opposition, there are other teams I would rather face. The Pats' culture is tough to beat.

Mike Milea
Mike Milea

Someone tell Charles Barkley to stick to Basketball. Who does he think he is to foreshadow the Pats future. Yea, Patriots fans are snobs who have only been living with success in their football team for the past 15 years or so, but so what? He needs to explode on them and tell them their team is doomed in the future? Luckily us Jets fans can celebrate a 8-8 season, but it wasnt any ordinary 8-8 season. We ended the season on a good note with the team having 3 well played back to back games against good teams who were fighting for a playoff berth... as well as a ton of promise for the 2014 season. If our 8-8 season was like Miami's 8-8 season, we wouldn't be so happy. I dont think Charles Barkley has any place calling out Patriots fans for rooting for their team, its not their fault that their team is so damn successful.

buckets
buckets

It's not when Belichek leaves, it's when Tom Brady leaves.  Belichek is average/below average at picking players.

a57se
a57se

@Kyle Suta 

We were a legit contender in 2010 without a franchise QB...but that is much more difficult to sustain. 

If we want to be a consistent contender we need a Franchise QB........

Pat d
Pat d

Belicheat had a losing record as a coach until Brady came along.

longshot
longshot

@Tyrone Garcia Many talk about Brady, but I do not think his stats are all that great lately and his accuracy is not where it used to be. I sometimes wonder about his arm injury and whether it's more severe than we are led to believe.

Jim Israel
Jim Israel

@buckets 

I think you've got it reversed. Belichick will manage, whether with chicken wire or spit, to assemble good teams, even without Brady. And, if he finds another 'franchise' QB, we Jet fans are in for another decade of chasing the Patriots. They're not going away.

As for Belichick 'picking' badly, did you happen to see all those rookies that excelled last night? Every team in the NFL makes horrendous picks, but Belichick, I hate to say, makes good ones too in addition to bad ones. Don't hang your hat on Belichick making bad choices. Besides, 'picking' also involves signing players as FA's; he seems to do very well at finding players who fit in his system.

The Jets, as Ryan has said, are going to always have to deal with and beat the Patriots every year There's not going to be any 'magic bullet' that will eliminate the Patriots as a formidable rival. It's just the reality.

Brendan
Brendan

@longshot He "only" had 4300 yards, 25 TD's and 11 INT's, with about a trillion dropped passes by his receivers, Amendola out for half the year, Gronk out for most of it, Hernandez in a jail cell. Most QB's would have been crippled by the issues Brady faced, but true to form he just played exceptionally well given his circumstances. I think this season is more impressive than his 50 TD year, to be honest. 

longshot
longshot

@jaygo@Mike Milea The Pats fans may be jerks ... I don't know, but their team is very different. You might not like them just because they are the Patriots, but they have an unreal track record. Regardless of injuries now or ones in the past like when Brady was out for a year, they are consistently winners.

Brendan
Brendan

@Jim Israel Jim, I can easily assemble a list of Patriots bust signings/draft picks. 


Belichick is a defensive wizard, which helps him mask a lot of the talent gaps on the roster. And Brady helps cover up the other ones. 


Without Brady, Belichick is like most other good teams the past decade: a few years of success in a row, with a low-point every 3 or so seasons. Brady is the reason they don't have that drop-off and win 10 games every year, not Belichick. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100 This is factually inaccurate. "Most" of his draft picks flame out. 

levi
levi

@a57se No doubt hes one of the best. Geno is on the rise though 57.

a57se
a57se

@levi

I've been sayins Brady has been declining for the past two years but he is still one of the best in the league.

levi
levi

@longshot You are not alone. I said it last year that Brady is aging and losing his accuracy. I dont think anyone agreed with me either though.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@longshot @Brendan Brady is so accurate, he usually puts the ball exactly where it should be.  He threw an out to the sideline yesterday that was low and outside and the CB had zero chance at defending it.   

Most QB's can only dream of making that throw consistently.

longshot
longshot

@Brendan@longshot Maybe given the situation you are describing, but Brady's accuracy to me, and perhaps to me alone, does not seem to be where it was. It's tough to explain ... I do not think of him as a long range passer, more of a mid-range passer who, maybe by design, throws the ball low to the ground. Receivers seem to be catching balls just inches off the turf. Things look less automatic than they used to. But I did not think they would make it to the AFC championship game and they have. I do not think they should win the AFC, let alone the SB, but maybe Brady is playing as well as he can given the receiver situation. Maybe they will win it all. They always seem to find a way.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude

 I agree that Manning will probably win both MVP and OPOY but he shouldn't. People are just stupid and that is the way it goes. 

Most Valuable player has little to do with stats but most times, that is what it comes down to.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @bklyndude  Brady had an impressive year because he did it without great talent,  but his numbers are pedestrian compared with Peyton this year.   He played on a winning team and put up the best numbers,  it won't even be close in my opinion.

a57se
a57se

@bklyndude 

Not really, Manning should win Offensive player of the year in a landslide......MVP should be Brady in a close vote.

bklyndude
bklyndude

@a57se @Brendan  I kind of agree with what you are saying, but that's taking Peyton Manning for granted.    Even with great talent around him,  he still had to do it.   

His numbers are crazy.   He wins MVP in a landslide.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan

 As much as I dislike Brady, He should be MVP hands down......Manning offensive player of the year.

a57se
a57se

@longshot

You make a valid point....we wouldn't be any better fans then the Pats fans are..........

Brendan
Brendan

Are you arguing that Brady is not an a-hole?

longshot
longshot

@Brendan@longshot What makes you say they are a-holes. Is it because you do not like the team or for actual reasons. If the Jets were winning like the Pats and were acting like the Pats would you call them a-holes too?

Brendan
Brendan

@longshot The Pats as a team are bunch of a-holes, with Brady being the king a-hole. 


I am so tired of the mystique of the Pats washing away the fact they do things a lot like the Jets, they are just media/NFL darlings. 

Jim Israel
Jim Israel

@Brendan@Jim Israel 

Brendan, another good point, BUT Belichick would never allow his QB situation to sink to the level of, ah, Sanchez, and Smith, for that matter, and then play him game after game, without at least having on the roster a reasonable back-up. He'd  sign a competent veteran QB, and let the other components of his team win the games. He managed pretty well with Matt Cassell, didn't he? IMO, Belichick is the best and most adaptive coach in the NFL.

Brendan
Brendan

@Jim Israel It is obviously very dependent on who Brady eventually gets replaced with. If you gave Belichick the level of QB play the Jets have had the past two years...you think he's winning more than 6-8 games? 

Jim Israel
Jim Israel

@Brendan@Jim Israel 

I think you make a very reasonable point, Brendan, but, again, I wouldn't hold my breath that, once Brady is off the premises, the Patriots are going to slide to 6-8, or thereabouts. It just ain't going to happen.

The Jets can't count on that, and must continue on their present course: let Idzik build a contending team brick-by-brick, and someday the Jets will win a division title, regardless of Patriot personnel.

Brendan
Brendan

@jake100  Oh, you weren't talking about that when you said "Yeah, but most of who he picks he coaches up and they turn out solid?" Could've fooled me. 


Belichick is the beneficiary of the play of one of the three best QB's to ever play in the NFL. He's a defensive wiz who needed the best QB possibly ever to become a great coach. Let's not re-write history.