Quote: Rex is the right man

I will stand on a soap box and say it: Rex is my coach.  He’s one of the main reasons I came here [and] I love the guy to death. I love his passion, I love his heart. I think if he doesn’t come back it will be a step back for us.”

– RG Willie Colon on head coach Rex Ryan’s job status




43 comments
harvlis
harvlis

I don't know what part Rex has played, in trying to improve an offense that has been pulling him down since his first season here.  It seems like no one was paying attention to that side of the ball.  They forgot about the O-line, at times.  They forgot about the fullback position.  They forgot about the importance of a blocking TE.  They haven't had an impact receiver or running back since Thomas Jones in 2008-09.  Schotty was bad enough and then they picked up Sparano as their OC.  The talent is so bad, we don't even know if Marty M is good.  If Rex has had anything to do with that side of the ball -- he needs to go.  If he hasn't, I have to ask, why not? 


Based on this past draft Idzik doesn't look like he knows talent.  What is even scarier is that, he has forced his draft picks down Rex's throat.  Geno should have been sitting and we should have had a veteran QB in there.   Winters has been getting beat up all season yet, he remains a starter.  I can't imagine Vlad being worse.  After moving Vlad all over the line, grooming him for the position, and letting him get the snaps -- he has been riding the bench, while Winters lets our rookie QB get abused.  Finally, Milliner has been getting toasted all season, as well, and he remains in there.  Is it Ryan or Idzik who never heard about bringing rookies along slowly? 


In summation, our Offense has been sickening for Rex's entire tenure.  Our defensive front seven has looked good, this season, but our secondary is horrible and we still can't rush the passer.  We create almost no turnovers.  I like many of Rex's traits, such as his loyalty & his winning attitude (where he expects to win every game).  All of this babbling being said, I think it is time for Rex to move on. 

theeditor
theeditor

We don't owe Rex anything. He has a terrible offense that needs a major overall and a defense that doesn't get to the QB.

I want a real coach,Cowher or Gruden.

supert
supert

Some of the most successful coaches today (Belichick, Carroll) sure didn't start out that way.  One of Rex's biggest strengths (loyalty) is definitely one of his biggest weaknesses as well. If he could learn to apply the same rationale objectiveness to players he either had a hand in drafting or bringing in (Sanchez, Holmes) to those he didn't (Rhodes, Gholston) he would be a much better coach. 

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

Yeah, I can think of so many players on losing dysfunctional Teams over the years who loved their hapless Coach.  Doesn't mean we spend another few millions on the circus master.  


Ryan cannot build a sound system which grows a balanced disciplined TEAM, capable of developing talent.  Nor can he produce a competent Offense in an era designed to aid the pass and score.  Time for the overpaid - over hyped Defensive Coordinator to go.

djf1
djf1

I understand Rex critics and sometimes he drives me crazy too.  However, any talk of his replacement must include a better candidate.  Losing Rex likely means a worse defense, with maybe the promise of a better offense - but I don't believe that can happen without some changes in personnel anyway.  I don't how much better this offense would be under a different HC.  So do we risk downgrading the strength of this team for the potential of improving the weakness, having learned that we can't quite win on defense alone?

Neil Herschkowitz
Neil Herschkowitz

My issue with Rex is that his teams seem to get worse as the season progresses. Good teams gather momentum and play their best football in November and December. Rex shoots his load in September and October.

Rex took a nose dive after the bye. His team was not focused, and lacked fundamentals and discipline. He also spends far to much time praising certain players.

Penalties and turnover ratios are sways a problem. Game time decision making and clock management are always below average.

The number of blowout losses also trouble me. I see little improvement from Rex in many important areas of the game.

BILLY
BILLY

If Idzik is going to force his crappy draft picks into Rex's starting lineup, then you can't hold Rex at fault for those draft picks sucking and leading to Jets losses. 



Ryan Flanagan
Ryan Flanagan

This is much more a personnel issue than a coaching one. MM has proven he can run a top offense in the league when given the talent. Lets be grounded in reality...the Jets offense, outside of an above-average line (minus LG) has maybe one playmaker in Kerley with nothing else. Geno has just been dreadful, Holmes is a joke, I haven't heard Stephen Hill's name in 14 games, nothing from the TE position etc etc etc. This is a personnel issue...you see how great quarterbacks carry teams. Hell, even good quarterbacks give teams a chance. This offense gives the team absolutely nothing every week and not Vince Lombardi, not Bear Bryant, not any coach would have the ability to win with it. 


Rex is in am impossible spot - "We are going to give you a Rookie QB out of the Big East with serious questions about his ability and expect you to make a run into the playoffs with him starting, or your fired." That's a bunch of BS. If they are going to fire Rex, it should of happened when Idzik got here and change the entire makeup of the team. You can't keep Rex on and have him coach a team with holes all over it, later to make him the scapegoat. That's not right. This is a complete lack of personnel as the Jets have a putrid offense.

Jerry C
Jerry C

Rex was given a roster projected to be one of the worst in power ranking. Most pundits forecast less than 4wins. Up until last night we were not out of the hunt. Rex has matured and while he still may overstate his players talent (and the Idzik draft quality). Rex has never had the luxury of a veteran QB or I believe we would have had that 2nd Super Bowl. If it is me, I give him 2 years surround him with some offensive talent thru the stack of draft choices and cap friendly position we find ourselves in and take another shot with Rex.

machoking
machoking

Gotta love Willie for standing up for what he feels... I love the team spirit.  I think Rex is better then what is out there.... We just need an offense. 

Israel Medina
Israel Medina

@theeditor Gruden and Cower has been away for too long you can expect the same results that Joe Gibbs had whe he came back I can see it now the Jets firing Ryan and having a Kotite moment and Ryan being signed by a team(Detroit Lions) and wining rings while the jets languish no Thanks I will stick with a coach who bleeds green

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@Johnsbodybyvi Ledo  : The excuses are being created to give Ryan another chance.  Ryan has not EARNED another year after these 5.  


The standards are being lowered and lowered.  Some are desperately using the 'team stuck with him' gimmick.  Doesn't mean a thing in the pro game. 


QB to blame?  Please, Ryan was the one who tried to make Sanchez the Franchise.  He wanted Sanchez, he clung to him, Rex was the talent decider as Tanny was the numbers cruncher.  


Why couldn't we attract a sound veteran QB Free Agent?  Rex Ryan.  No serious big buck QB is going to want to join the dysfunctional Ryan circus.   


The sad reality is, Ryan cannot build a sound system which grows a balanced disciplined TEAM, capable of developing talent.  Nor can he produce a competent Offense in an era designed to aid the pass and score. 


Time to go.  Ryan is not the future, he is the failed past.


steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@djf1Sorry, the fear of the unknown is not an excuse to cling to failure, dysfunction, incompetence, etc.  Ryan cannot build a sound system which grows a balanced disciplined TEAM, capable of developing talent.  Nor can he produce a competent Offense in an era designed to aid the pass and score. 


Let us finally stop clinging to an image/identity personality, which is blinding to the ugly reality of the failure in leadership.

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@Neil Herschkowitz : Well said.  Ryan cannot build a sound system which grows a balanced disciplined TEAM, capable of developing talent.  Nor can he produce a competent Offense in an era designed to aid the pass and score. 


So many other sound Coaching staffs are able to fill in the blanks with injuries, backups, etc. as they are able to develop - get the best out of the offering.  Rex is clueless on begin able to grow the ability of a Team.  He can shock at times on defense, but is completely ignorant on how to build a worthy Offense.  Time to go.

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@BILLY Hello?  Rex Ryan was largely responsible for the crappy talent selected for the years with TANNY.  Remember it was RYAN who tried to make Sanchez the franchise.  Ryan who had talent authority, with Tanny was a numbers cruncher.  Ryan is responsible for a dysfunctional Team which cannot develop talent, cannot get a serious system in place which grows a Team.  And no big named Free Agents will want to come play for a Coaching Staff this incompetent.

bharper42
bharper42

@Ryan Flanagan 


The problem with this theory is that it was REx who was behind all of the talent or lack thereof the past 4 years.  He had a lot of say in drafts with tanny.


That excuse doesn't hold water and i'm quite frankly tired of the mantra "he has no talent".  He was the one choosing the talent.  he's also the one that didn't develop the talent.  He signed off on keeping shotty, hiring sparano, and now MM.  


He doesn't even know what an OC is.  He takes whatever is given him.


we've blamed 2 OCs, players, GMs, injuries, etc etc.,  time for REx to take the blame.


I think he's a narcissist the way he takes on anything but somehow others get the blame.  The way he's smirking when opponents have some breakdown or something.  It's all about him.


He chose these players, this is on him, I hope he's fired and a real coach comes in.  i'll take bevell or wisenhunt.

Zartan
Zartan

@Ryan Flanagan , MM shows flashes but the game is passing him buy. He has concepts but is not very good at teaching them.  We all know that Hill would be a beast if he went after the ball. If you can't work with players that have potential like that, then your not worth the dollar. 


Don't anyone give me crap about players not being any good , most our WRs are good outside of Gates. We do need a stud runner to go with Ivory, or some O-line help. D-Brick and Mangold may squeeze out another year but the line is in serious trouble.

a57se
a57se

@Ryan Flanagan 

Mornhinweg is a terrific Offensive Coordinator from what I have seen. His gameplan for Carolina was brilliant except for the execution of our QB who missed several wide open receivers and couldn't diagnose the same CB blitz the 7 times Carolina ran it.

Most of his gameplans with a decent QB would provide plenty of offense for this team to win......

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@jaygo : Giving Ryan a pass on talent is silly.  Ryan was a decider on talent for 4 years leaving the team in sincere decline.  He was the talent authority while Tanny was the numbers cruncher.  Ryan thought Sanchez was a franchise QB, big mistake.


Ryan cannot build a sound system which grows a balanced disciplined TEAM, capable of developing talent.  Nor can he produce a competent Offense in an era designed to aid the pass and score. 


Sticking with Ryan is like sticking to a personality one likes, ignoring the bad results, creating endless excuses for the failure.   If we keep Ryan, beyond DC?  We will see a hapless JETS for some time.  Free Agents are not going to come play for the Ryan dysfunction.

machoking
machoking

@jetfuel See this reminds me of most workplaces...in a way.  People from upper management making decisions based off of zero knowledge.  Rex has the love of his players, has probably done better with this team then most would.  He had a GM that did not give him the best roster... an owner who has very little knowledge of the game.  I think the players opinions speaks volumes here.  Look at Shanahan....team hates him, tons of negative energy... thats not what the Jets are.  We just don't have an offense. 

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@Jerry C : Ryan helped create this terrible roster.  Rex Ryan again failed to produce a sound system which encourages the growth of talent and development of a balanced TEAM.  His terrible handling of the QB position alone over the years is a sign of his incompetence.  Time to go.

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@machoking : You will never have a competent Offense with Rex Ryan.  Never.  Ryan cannot build a sound system which grows a balanced disciplined TEAM, capable of developing talent.  Nor can he produce a worthy Offense in an era designed to aid the pass and score. And Ryan's dysfunctional hubris only pushes proven Free Agent QB potential to stay away.

Brendan
Brendan

@Zartan @Ryan Flanagan Please explain what you mean by your first two sentences. Marty is a pass-first WCO QB who has worked pistol, read option and wildcat into his offense, none of which were being done on the NFL level when he started running offenses. 

Neil Herschkowitz
Neil Herschkowitz

How exactly is Rex responsible for the lack of talent on offense, and how do you know specifically what his involvement is in terms of what he contributes to offense in terms of coaching and game planning?

Great defensive minds evolve from having an understanding of how an offense functions.

Brendan
Brendan

@jetfuel None of this is accurate. The HC doesn't downgrade talent, or upgrade it. He coaches it. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jaygo Jay - This is Joey's MO. Blame the coaches, blame the pieces, blame the GM, but never blame the QB!


It's really weird how his posts are cookie-cutter with his Sanchez defenses from last year. 

djf1
djf1

@machoking @jetfuel I'd rephrase this as, people from upper management make decisions based on maximum personal benefit, regardless of risk to the company, customers or employees, as they have no personal risk.

karlhungus
karlhungus

@steel_nyc@machoking pretty sure we all got your point the first 14 times you posted the same sentence..... you don't like rex...you want him gone.....we get it....... move on already.......

a57se
a57se

@Brendan@Zartan@Ryan Flanagan 

Hahaha....man that post from Zartan made no sense!

MM has been brilliant with the way he has mixed and matched these concepts and integrated them into a cohesive game plan.


Israel Medina
Israel Medina

@steel_nyc @Neil Herschkowitz  Josh Freeman, Stephen McGee, Rhett Bomar, Nate Davis, Tom Brandstater, Mike Teel, Keith Null and Curtis Painter  these QBs were available after Sanchez which one would you pick?

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@Neil Herschkowitz : Ryan was the talent authority while Tanny was a numbers cruncher.  Sanchez?  This was Ryan's selection to be the franchise QB. Rex Ryan is responsible, especially in the failure to produce a sound system to create a balanced Team which grows talent.

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@Brendan @jetfuel : Thus he is ultimately responsible for making talent better or worse.  And a sound Coaching staff can attract better talent in the free agency market.  Ryan is the opposite.  

Ron Alexander
Ron Alexander

@Brendan,Excellent point! What I'm not seeing (or reading)here is the fact Rex has had 5 full seasons to prove his value as a H/C and this team has gotten progressively worse each season.The sad part is at least defensively, where Rex supposedly excels, and with over a half dozen high round draft picks (rds 3 & above) this defense is still full of holes and unless D.Milliner & Kyle Wilson suddenly turn into Deon Sanders and Darrel Revis this secondary is completely devoid of top flight NFL talent. As the H/C who puts the coaching staff together,who's fault is that? As Jet fans we have to stop living in the past, stop dwelling at Rex's first two seasons where he had a lot of inherited players from the Mangini regime and face the fact that it may be time to move on. 

Brendan
Brendan

@jetfuel This is wrong. It does not "all come from the HC's input." That would mean there is zero point in hiring and paying a scouting department. 


Head Coaches have absolutely no time to scout NCAA players. They get the cliff notes after the season of what the guys have been scouting all year, and then they start to weigh in. They're a part of the process, not the end of it. 

gbrownn
gbrownn

Haha but Rex is on record saying he didn't want Stephen Hill. What kind of influence in draft picks is that? Stop watching ESPN for a second and actaully THINK about what your saying, Seems like your only listening to what Stephen A Smtih and Skip Bayless say about our team. Why is it Sean Payton is considered and offensive genius and one hell of a coach but his D coordinator ran a bounty scheme under his nose the whole time? But Rex is crucified for not being hands on with the offense?

ww85
ww85

@jetfuel @Brendan Jetfuel, I agree with all your points. Rex deserves a lot of blame for neglecting the offense, but I also believe he has learned from his mistakes. Rex is so talented--I think trust that he can transform & give him another shot.

gbrownn
gbrownn

He has an influence yes, but who has the final say over the roster?

steel_nyc
steel_nyc

@jaygo @jetfuel : Reminder, Rex Ryan made Sanchez the franchise.  Could have gotten other QB's, Ryan was the one who clung to Sanchez.  Ryan was culpable for the JETS QB situation, even with the dreadful preseason decision to play Sanchez in a  meaningless game.

a57se
a57se

@Brendan@jaygo 

This Blog needs a joeyboy response app.

Something that will post: "Shut Up Joseph!" after every comment of his automatically!

Brendan
Brendan

@jaygo Well, I'm about to be swamped with work, so at least someone will be here to do that. I'll come around and tell Joey how he's wrong when I can. 

machoking
machoking

@jetfuel I totally get that.... but I think Rex is the only one (Now Idzik)  that can steer the ship.  Just because you HAVE the job, doesn't you can DO the job.  


See Redskins and Snyder. 

Knicks and Dolan 


I think in this case... having the players support, compared to bringing in just some other coach... is huge. Sometimes management should be more patient.  We haven't had many coaches who have taken us to Championship games, the last who did is in the hall of fame.  So, I wouldn't rush to get rid of Rex. 


Rush to build an offense...